WTF ? A simple rant.

[SideShow Bob]

Grub hub, Door Dash & Uber Eats closed down and not delivering today ?
I don't usually order very often but I was given a GH gift card and a Vanilla gift card by the Big guy in the red suit. I just tried to place an order for dinner trying to use either or both.
The The big three to your door ordering places only have pick up ordering.
What a crock of BullShite ! Is there no enterprising delivery drivers that would rather make a very decent cash tip on top of the standard 20% that I always tip on the sites? I know it is a holiday and I tip accordingly in cash when they show up.
That is what is wrong with society nowadays. Lazy as welfare collectors not willing to work harder to improve their situation, except protest for higher welfare payments.

Rant off.

[FoxtArt]

The apps show the flat fee and tip amount to the drivers and gives them the option to accept or turn it down.

After some period of time, the flat fee increases by something like .50 cents to incentivize a driver to eventually get it. Not including a tip in the app means the drivers prioritize deliveries that do... and your food may take 2 hours to be delivered.

Think of it this way, if you were driving and you had option A: pick up bobs food with no tip listed... but MAYBE he gives you cash, but is it $1 or $5? Or maybe Bob is a typical broke-ass.... or B: Pick up toms food with a $5 tip listed. What are you going to chose?

Disclaimer: I've never used any of these services. Ever. I either dine in or carry out my own food for my own fat butt. It's a mostly unnecessary tack-on expense. That doesn't mean I don't know how they work.

[FoxtArt]

I also don't disagree with the underlying concept that tips should be performance based...prepaying a tip defeats the purpose. Alas, the problem is in the app concepts themselves and not the employees.

[ray1970]

That is what is wrong with society nowadays. Lazy as welfare collectors not willing to work harder to improve their situation, except protest for higher welfare payments.


That and grown ass men who are too lazy to go pick up some food for themselves but have plenty of time to complain about stuff online.



(Sorry. This wasn?t meant as some sort of personal attack. Just an observation about where we are as a society when a service of convenience that didn?t even exist a decade ago shuts down for a holiday and it causes people to get upset.)

[kidicarus13]

Tip baiting... https://youtu.be/ofxd1sVD1k0

Customers order at their convenience. Drivers deliver at their convenience.

[DFBrews]

Probably liability based. The algorithm figured that the risk of an at fault accident would negate x amount of fees and longer delivery times mean lower scores and ratings. Which means x loss of growth.




It’s all business. Finely tuned business

[Sawin]

Ray’s keeping it real, as usual :)

[hollohas]

My wife had surgery this week and I'm playing Mr Mom while she recovers. I HATE food delivery services (other than old school pizza or Chinese), but we we're given a Door Dash gift card from some friends to use while she was out of commission. We used it on Friday.

Food was cold and I'm convinced restaurants screw you on portions when it's delivered via these services. I ordered Outback and half of it was wrong, missing something or a rip off portion (got some fries for the kiddos...$4.99. We received 4oz of fries).

But, gift card was for the service, not the restaurant.

I also tried to order some groceries from Amazon Fresh so I didn't have to load 3 kiddos up and bring the crew to the store. The groceries never arrived and they cancelled my order at midnight last night. I was given the option to reorder with the soonest delivery option on Monday.

So I agree, food delivery SUCKS.

[SideShow Bob]

That and grown ass men who are too lazy to go pick up some food for themselves but have plenty of time to complain about stuff online.



(Sorry. This wasn?t meant as some sort of personal attack. Just an observation about where we are as a society when a service of convenience that didn?t even exist a decade ago shuts down for a holiday and it causes people to get upset.)

This concept started in the late 80’s (at least in the KC area) and I always tip 20% on the app. And usually Another 20% upon delivery that equal 40 %. I use contactless because I have the Yearly “Crud” and don’t want to explain that I don’t have the “Woo Hoo 19” every time I cough behind my mask in the presence of sheeple. It does clear the cluster around the register though.

And yes I am a “Grown Ass Man” that wants a meal delivered. Who coined that phrase, I know it is one of the online gun reviewer.
And I of course know how the apps work and don’t need it explained to me as if I were a slow child.
And Ray, you can poke me in the ribs with a sharp stick as long as I can poke you back.

[BPTactical]

Bob- do you have a can of soup?

[TEAMRICO]

I get in my truck and drive to the store or restaurant to get my food if I want something…….just like man has done for thousands and thousands of years.

[DFBrews]

I get in my truck and drive to the store or restaurant to get my food if I want something…….just like man has done for thousands and thousands of years.

Ah yes the thousand year old truck. Probably smells like a horses ass but is reliable

[fj605]

The deal with Amazon Fresh is they don't have "in-stock" items. Everything in the warehouse was already part of an order. When they cancel an order, it's because a truck didn't come in on time.

[SideShow Bob]

Bob- do you have a can of soup?

Fuck a can of soup???.. I?ll break into my stash & me & the ole lady will have our pick of MRE?s?? I done run out of ?C? rats a couple of years ago.


I need to rotate in some new stock anyway.

[ray1970]

And Ray, you can poke me in the ribs with a sharp stick as long as I can poke you back.

Deal. I can take a good razzing better than I can dish one out.

I?m guessing with the food delivery problems you were probably hungry when you posted. Lol.

[SideShow Bob]

Yep,
I was Hangry.

[buffalobo]

Yeah, screw those bitches, they want my bidness they be available when I got bidness.

But wtf do I know, I have lived 25 miles from the nearest food delivery of any kind for the last 18 years. I just liked Bob's rant.

[hollohas]

The deal with Amazon Fresh is they don't have "in-stock" items. Everything in the warehouse was already part of an order. When they cancel an order, it's because a truck didn't come in on time.The order said it was packed and ready...my guess is they didn't have a delivery driver (even though I tripled the recommended tip). But doesn't it come from Whole Foods? Isn't that why I see Amazon people loading groceries into personal cars there all the time? That was like the 3rd time I've tried to use Amazon fresh. And it will be my last.

I don't tip a percentage for delivery. I tip a flat amount. They aren't serving you for an extended period of time like a server in a restaurant which is a big part of the percentage basis. Delivery drivers are picking it up and delivering it. That's it. Same job no matter what you buy. Only thing that changes, is the distance. So I'll increase tip for restaurants further away from me.

My sister, single mom of two, does door dash. It's her only real income and she is able to feed the family and pay the bills with it. She thinks it's great.

[JohnnyDrama]

Fuck a can of soup???.. I?ll break into my stash & me & the ole lady will have our pick of MRE?s?? I done run out of ?C? rats a couple of years ago.


I need to rotate in some new stock anyway.

I contemplated breaking into my MRE stash tonight. I found a box of Mac-n-Cheese though....

[Hummer]

Good golly.

[BPTactical]

Fuck a can of soup???.. I?ll break into my stash & me & the ole lady will have our pick of MRE?s?? I done run out of ?C? rats a couple of years ago.


I need to rotate in some new stock anyway.

If you want to fuck a can of soup go right ahead. Knowing you I would have figured you to be a Manwich kinda guy for that action.

I just thought you were hungry[ROFL1]

[CS1983]

Door dash et al., are not a good deal. I’ve only ever ordered them with a gift card and it always arrived cold. I don’t blame the driver though. They’re a “can’t go get it” option, but nothing more.

[OtterbatHellcat]

None of that stuff is available in this area....but even when I was still in town up there I never used it.

Always had cans of shit or frozen boxes of shit to tide me over. If you're gonna offer a service though, you have a duty to perform it with haste and professionalism imo. Don't be a hack and give shitty service to a paying customer, especially when tips are likely involved.

[BREATHER]

Careful what you say on here, the next delivery driver may dip his balls in your salsa [ROFL2]

[Bailey Guns]

Those damn first-world problems are just a kick in the nuts sometimes...

[Great-Kazoo]

Not sure about the issue, he's experiencing. Door dash works great out here. I'm hungry, i dash the to kitchen , open one of the doors to see what i feel like making.



The side effect of spur of the moment meals. Like OH i'll reheat some chili verde, after chowing down on a few hebrew national hot dogs the hour before is. You might get a case of bathroom dash.

[colorider]

Mediocrity has become the normal the past few years. As long as people keep accepting it, the worse it?s going to become. Personally, it is not acceptable and I let people know. May be in not tipping at expected value, might be some verbal advice, and lately it?s simply been not using their service. I just told a garage door repair company to sit on a cactus because their excuse for not coming on Friday was simply laziness. He was stunned. I simply said other companies are willing to work and he needs to quit being complacent and shitty service is not in my agenda.

[theGinsue]

Mediocrity has become the normal the past few years. As long as people keep accepting it, the worse it?s going to become. Personally, it is not acceptable and I let people know. May be in not tipping at expected value, might be some verbal advice, and lately it?s simply been not using their service. I just told a garage door repair company to sit on a cactus because their excuse for not coming on Friday was simply laziness. He was stunned. I simply said other companies are willing to work and he needs to quit being complacent and shitty service is not in my agenda.

A man after my own heart.

I'm offended that today a 20%+ tip is expected, regardless of the level of service you receive. I also hold the server accountable for the quality of the food delivered to my table when I dine out. They are your advocate to the kitchen and should ensure your meal is everything it's supposed to be. I'm quick to give both praise and complaint as the situation warrants and this is also reflected in my tipping starting at 20% and either going up or down from there. I do reserve my complaints until AFTER my food is delivered though...I ain't stupid. I worked food service when I was in college and know what's possible and what isn't. Because of my customer service skills and attention to quality I was offered an apprentice sous chef position by the owners of a newly opening restaurant when they came to eat where I worked.

Non-food service businesses that fail to offer decent customer service (which is becoming all the more common) tend to think that they are the only game in town only stay in business because people as a whole have lowered their expectations and standards. I don't play that game either. I'll find someone else to provide me with the service they offer (even if it costs me a bit more) - there's always someone willing to do the job.

[Scanker19]

Yeah I don’t like that whole mantra of “I always tip 20%, irregardless…” (if you always tip 20% you probably say things like irregardless). It’s gotten worse In The last year since people basically can say we’re short staffed. That’s usually code for we’re going to half ass it and you get to pay full price still.

[00tec]

A lot of it is some of these folks are self entitled douchebags. Tiktoks complaining about "my instacart order is too big", "someone ordered 50 drinks at the Starbucks where I work", "someone wanted their food hot AND fresh", "stop shopping online, my FedEx truck is full".
Many of us don't like our jobs either. Suck it up and pay the bills, or don't, I don't have the time to care.

[tactical_2012]

I spent 22 days in the hospital this past fall due to a work related injury. Door Dash saved me as hospital food sucked worse than MREs. I would ordered once day and would always end up having to call the delivery drive to find out where they dropped my food of at I would always add 35% tip so they would bring it to my room but the lazy drivers would drop it at the first nurses station they found. I would then have to have a nurse hunt it down for me. Rhe food was always cold but way better than the crappy hospital food.

[fj605]

Amazon Fresh is up there at 62nd and I-25. I worked there last year over the holidays as something to do while I was looking for real work. Not a bad gig but not fulfilling at all.

[BPTactical]

I suppose Meals on Wheels is an option…

[FoxtArt]

A side-track here based on the comments on employees whining. One of the #1 problems is modern society has shifted to praise the victim instead of the survivor.

This is top to bottom....

Top: "They tried to keep me from being a business owner, but I showed them, overcame the obstacles they made and now I own this grocery store." (survivor) Vs. "They said I couldn't be hired as the CEO, I have PTSD from their racism and can't work anymore, and it's so hard fam, I keep seeing their mean faces and I wake up hearing what they's said" (victim)

Bottom:

People used to get respect for "We were shorthanded by two guys today but I still managed to unload an extra truck" (Survivor)

Now people get respect for "Omg my package truck is full of packages *sad face* I shouldn't have to deliver all of them as a delivery driver paid by the hour *sad face*" (Victim)

In yesterdays society, we had disdain for victim ideology. Now, it has largely reversed.

ETA: And a ton of people WANT and STRIVE to be a victim of something, which did not happen in prior society. If you're not a victim of something, you're simply privileged trash.

[MrPrena]

Well said, but victim part of ticktock, youtube videos are much more drama and gets more click [bait], than survival mode video. :)

[Martinjmpr]

If you think about it, the whole idea behind tipping is pretty outdated. In essence, the restaurant says "we'll underpay our employees and then try to guilt our customers into making up the difference."

If the value for the food + delivery is $X, then the cost to me should be $X, not (X-20% paid to the service) + (.20X paid to the driver as a tip.)

It's like when you go to negotiate a price on a car with a dealer and they say "OK, and in addition to that we'll add a $500 'dealer handling fee' that is really just pure profit for the dealer. It's one of the reasons that I try to buy from a private seller if I can, they don't play those stupid ass games.

It's worth pointing out that most other civilized countries don't use the tipping system and they find ours to be almost incomprehensible. It's like there's a "secret" set of rules that isn't written down anywhere, it's just passed on by word of mouth.

[kidicarus13]

It's worth pointing out that most other civilized countries don't use the tipping system and they find ours to be almost incomprehensible. It's like there's a "secret" set of rules that isn't written down anywhere, it's just passed on by word of mouth.

He's not lying.

[electronman1729]

Grub hub, Door Dash & Uber Eats closed down and not delivering today ?
I don't usually order very often but I was given a GH gift card and a Vanilla gift card by the Big guy in the red suit. I just tried to place an order for dinner trying to use either or both.
The The big three to your door ordering places only have pick up ordering.
What a crock of BullShite ! Is there no enterprising delivery drivers that would rather make a very decent cash tip on top of the standard 20% that I always tip on the sites? I know it is a holiday and I tip accordingly in cash when they show up.
That is what is wrong with society nowadays. Lazy as welfare collectors not willing to work harder to improve their situation, except protest for higher welfare payments.

Rant off.

You realize all three of those organizations are generally ran by libtards?

[rondog]

Proud to be a cheap old bastard, I guess - I won't even have a pizza delivered.

[MrPrena]

Abolish tip system.

[Martinjmpr]

Abolish tip system.

I think it will eventually wither away.

If you think about it, there are three "stake holders" in a restaurant business: The business owner, the employee, and the customer.

The "tip" system benefits two of those stake holders: The business, which gets to get away with paying sub-standard wages to employees in the expectation that the customer will make up the difference in tips, and a small percentage of employees who make more in tips than they would likely make in a wage-based employment setup. Those are the two groups that are going to be most resistant to the end of the tipping culture.

I think what it's going to take is for a few high profile restaurants to decide that instead of tipping, they'll pay their employees a reasonable wage, raise prices to accommodate that wage, and then tell customers that they need not tip. As soon as one or two big players do that, and it works (which I think it will because for every waiter/waitress who makes good money on tips, there are probably at least two that barely scrape by) the practice will catch on.

Tipping will likely continue in bar/nightclub settings were sexual titillation can lead to higher tips for good looking waitresses/bartenders. But speaking as a customer, I would gladly patronize a "no tipping" restaurant where I know exactly what the price will be up front without having to calculate a tip.

[fj605]

If you do away with tipping in restaurants, do you do away with all tipping? Furniture movers, housekeepers/bellhops, hunting/fishing guides, etc?

It's kind of interesting which people you tip and which you don't. Housekeeper gets a tip but my mechanic doesn't.

[ray1970]

It's kind of interesting which people you tip and which you don't. Housekeeper gets a tip but my mechanic doesn't.

Your mechanic works flat rate so he already charged you for three hours of his time for the forty-five minutes of work he did so a tip probably isn?t necessary.

If you don?t tip the housekeepers they?ll probably steal your stuff.

[Martinjmpr]

If you do away with tipping in restaurants, do you do away with all tipping? Furniture movers, housekeepers/bellhops, hunting/fishing guides, etc?

It's kind of interesting which people you tip and which you don't. Housekeeper gets a tip but my mechanic doesn't.

I would love to do away with all tipping. Tipping is an anachronism based on the idea of extremely poor people (servant class) providing services to extremely rich people (Landed gentry, wealthy, etc.) The idea is that tipping was a way of the rich acknowledging their superior positions over the poor by tossing them a few table scraps that they'd be happy to get. It basically carries with it the assumption that the person being tipped has no other options so tipping them is kind of a way to say "sorry you're poor, here's some money."

The fancy-schmancy Latin term for it is "noblesse oblige", i.e. the "obligations of the noble."

In the service-industry context (waiters or servers) the idea is that you use the tip as a kind of reward (or the possibility of not getting a tip as a punishment.) But, again, we don't do that in other types of service businesses.

Call me crazy but it seems to me that if you're providing a service, you ought to be able to negotiate what you think is a fair price, which the other person is then free to pay or not to pay and you are free to provide, or not provide, that service.

Let's say a hunting guide's rates are $200/day for 3 days of hunting, for a total of $600 (I've never hired a hunting guide so I have no idea what a guide goes for, I'm just pulling that number out of thin air.) If the "expectation" is that there will be a ~$100 tip on top of that, wouldn't it make more sense for the guide to just charge the customer $700? I mean, if that's the value of the service provided, then that should be the cost, right?

I guess the idea behind tipping a hunting guide was that if he has to hustle for a tip, he's going to do a better job, whereas if there's no tip, he'll do a half-assed job.

But is that really the way it goes? Because word of mouth is important in the service industry and if that guide charges a specific price - without a tip - and does a half-assed job, he's not likely to get re-hired. OTOH the guy who does a great job - whether he gets a tip or not - is likely to have people lined up down the block for his services - which ultimately benefits him more than if he got a $100 tip from this or that customer.

"Noblesse Oblige" might have made sense in 17th century England where you were born into one class and stayed there your entire life, but in modern day America where (presumably) people are free to sell their services to the highest bidder, it makes no sense at all.

[MrPrena]

I know many more countries than 12 that doesn't require tipping. I know Netherlands and Germany (at least 21 years ago) doesn't expect customers to tip.


Some countries waiter%waitress will walk all the way to parking lot to tell you that you forgot to take your money from the table.


https://www.businessinsider.com/countries-where-you-dont-need-to-leave-a-tip-2016-3

[ray1970]

I always tip just to let the poor people know where they stand in society.

People who don?t tip are just acknowledging that they are also lower class like the people providing them the service.

I wouldn?t want to be mistaken for poor by not tipping.

[hollohas]

I freakin hate the tip question that pops up at the register at every "fast casual" restaurant when you checkout. Why TF would I tip someone for taking 30secs to give me the food I just paid for?

Or the recommended 20% tip when you pay for takeout at a real restaurant. Seriously?!?! They want to recommend I tip them the same amount as I do a person who spent an hour literally waiting on me? The takeout counter people put shit in a bag...that's never worth a 20% tip.

[ray1970]

I freakin hate the tip question that pops up at the register at every "fast casual" restaurant when you checkout. Why TF would I tip someone for taking 30secs to give me the food I just paid for?

Or the recommended 20% tip when you pay for takeout at a real restaurant. Seriously?!?! They want to recommend I tip them the same amount as I do a person who spent an hour literally waiting on me? The takeout counter people put shit in a bag...that's never worth a 20% tip.

Just tip them anyways so they won?t forget they?re second class citizens.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I find that restaurants can put the right thing in bags and the drivers can't grab the right bag. The only places that come close to getting it right are the old school Chinese and pizza places. Everything else is a crap shoot- and that is with electronic ordering, so you can't blame miscommunication on it.

What gets me is that the tip is based on the price of the food? Does Uber drive me to the airport based on my net worth or how much my luggage is worth? Come up with a fee based on the mileage and if the restaurant is a pain- tough parking, slow production.

Frankly, we use it more than we should because we have a 16yo boy at home with a car. Somehow he skates often on being our personal Uber.

[eddiememphis]

I think it will eventually wither away.

If you think about it, there are three "stake holders" in a restaurant business: The business owner, the employee, and the customer.

The "tip" system benefits two of those stake holders: The business, which gets to get away with paying sub-standard wages to employees in the expectation that the customer will make up the difference in tips, and a small percentage of employees who make more in tips than they would likely make in a wage-based employment setup. Those are the two groups that are going to be most resistant to the end of the tipping culture.

I think what it's going to take is for a few high profile restaurants to decide that instead of tipping, they'll pay their employees a reasonable wage, raise prices to accommodate that wage, and then tell customers that they need not tip. As soon as one or two big players do that, and it works (which I think it will because for every waiter/waitress who makes good money on tips, there are probably at least two that barely scrape by) the practice will catch on.

Tipping will likely continue in bar/nightclub settings were sexual titillation can lead to higher tips for good looking waitresses/bartenders. But speaking as a customer, I would gladly patronize a "no tipping" restaurant where I know exactly what the price will be up front without having to calculate a tip.

I was in the restaurant business for 14 years. Started as dishwasher and went as far as part owner.

The margins are very slim. If an owner is required to pay service staff minimum wage or more, the menu prices you pay will increase around 20% to cover the addition payroll costs.

I would like you define "substandard wages" since less than minimum wage is the standard and despite your assertion, most front of house employees take home more than if they were waged.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I personally prefer the American tipping culture, especially given so many in our society seem to expect to get rewarded for minimal effort. If we had a society where people were expected to give their best effort no matter what then we wouldn't need tipping.

I've seen accounts of restaurants that got rid of tipping. Some seem to have made it work, others lost their best servers who knew they could and would make more at another establishment. I don't know of any controlled statistical study in the US -- and you KNOW the proponents of abolishing tipping would push one out if it really worked here.

As far as DoorDash, GrubHub, and UberEats go, I refuse to use them because they all screw the restaurants. I even refused when I had a $60/month credit for DoorDash from my credit card company. I treat periods when I'm too sick or the weather sucks too much to go out like I would a snowbound emergency -- I dip into the stash of pasta, rice, and canned goods. You know, that same stash that some of us keep in case of emergency? Some people here are starting to sound like the folks who complain they're starving because we had a 3-day blizzard and they're out of food, toilet paper, etc.

[arbol]

I'm loving the Domino's pizza ads that are highlighting just how bad Door Dash, Grub Hub, Uber Eats, etc. are for local restaurants.

If the restaurant doesn't have their own delivery service, don't buy delivery from them. Look for restaurants that DO have their own delivery service.

Just the same way these companies (Uber, looking at you) rape existing businesses like Cab Companies, is not cool.

[hollohas]

Just the same way these companies (Uber, looking at you) rape existing businesses like Cab Companies, is not cool.

I hate 3rd party food delivery, but love Uber and Lyft. Every damn cab I ever called took FOREVER to come get me. Not ride services, because you can see where the car is that's picking you up. And I've sat in far too many cabs that take their sweet ass time, watching the fair increase faster than I could follow or the driver taking the family circus route to get somewhere so they could jack the price.

Uber and Lyft tell you up front what you'll pay and there is no incentive for drivers to jack you around like cabs do.

Not to mention, cabs can be downright gross inside. Steve's Camry is always clean and comfortable.

Cabs have been raping people for decades and didn't adapt to the 21st century. They won't be missed.

[Martinjmpr]

I was in the restaurant business for 14 years. Started as dishwasher and went as far as part owner.

The margins are very slim. If an owner is required to pay service staff minimum wage or more, the menu prices you pay will increase around 20% to cover the addition payroll costs.



Given that the "standard" these days seems to be 20% tip, that would be about right, wouldn't it? From my viewpoint as the customer, I'm going to pay the same whether it's $40 + $8 tip = $48 or $48 + $0 tip = $48.

It benefits me because I know exactly how much my meal is going to cost and it benefits the server because he doesn't have to wonder if I'm going to be generous and give him a nice tip, give him a "normal" 20% tip, or stiff him.

Really, what is the difference between getting a meal in a restaurant and getting literally any other good or service? I don't tip the Wal-Mart cashier when I check out. I don't tip the guy at Home Depot who helps me load lumber into my truck. I don't tip the nurse at the doctor's office who takes my blood pressure. I don't tip the guy who rotates my tires. I sure as hell don't tip the LGS owner when I buy a Glock or a box of ammo. Why should food service be any different?

As I said above, there are countries that are similar to ours in terms of culture but they don't do tipping and find the concept to be bizarre. So it's not like there's something inherently different about food service that justifies the tipping custom. We just do it because that's the way it's been.

[ray1970]

Tipping is necessary if you want any hope of getting decent service.

With tips providing a chunk of their income, a server is way more likely to try and provide you with good service so that they are rewarded financially for their hard work.

Take tips out of the equation and they know they?re getting their money whether they provide excellent service or totally ignore you or provide shitty service. There?s no incentive for them to provide you with decent service and likely you aren?t going to get decent service.

[Great-Kazoo]

Tipping is necessary if you want any hope of getting decent service.

With tips providing a chunk of their income, a server is way more likely to try and provide you with good service so that they are rewarded financially for their hard work.

Take tips out of the equation and they know they?re getting their money whether they provide excellent service or totally ignore you or provide shitty service. There?s no incentive for them to provide you with decent service and likely you aren?t going to get decent service.

We ask the server. Do you keep tips, or have to share them with everyone else? Usually it's keep, in cash, share on card. Ok thanks, we like paying cash.

[Martinjmpr]

Tipping is necessary if you want any hope of getting decent service.

With tips providing a chunk of their income, a server is way more likely to try and provide you with good service so that they are rewarded financially for their hard work.

Take tips out of the equation and they know they?re getting their money whether they provide excellent service or totally ignore you or provide shitty service. There?s no incentive for them to provide you with decent service and likely you aren?t going to get decent service.

So the only place you ever get "decent service" is at a restaurant that has tipping?

I've gotten great service at: Fast food restaurants, Gun shops, Hardware stores, auto parts stores, grocery stores, department stores, discount stores, etc, with no tipping. I've also gotten poor service at restaurants that DID have tipping.

I've also dined in other countries where they don't have a tipping culture - notably Germany - and I was always served in just as professional and courteous a manner as I ever was in the US. So I don't see where "no tipping = poor service" actually applies in the real world. You can get crappy service anywhere. And you can get good service anywhere.

The problem with using tipping as an incentive for service is that it only works in the abstract, in the long run. When that server first comes to take your order, he/she doesn't know if you'll be a good tipper or a poor tipper. By the time you apply the "remedy" of a poor tip, the damage has already been done. What's the server supposed to do, chase you down and say "I promise I'll do a better job next time?"

For that matter, using tipping to incentivize good behavior or punish bad behavior is a pretty cumbersome mechanism for communicating to the staff about what you liked and disliked.

Let's say you leave a small tip or no tip. Is it because you were unsatisfied with the service? Or maybe the service was good but the food was bad? Or maybe you were just angry at the world that day? Or you were down to your last dollar and didn't leave enough left over for the tip? The server has no way of knowing WHY you left the poor tip, they just have to guess.

Conversely, let's say you leave a $50 or $100 tip on a $40 check. Is it because you had exceptional service? Or because you just hit the lottery or got your bonus and wanted to share the wealth? Or because you used to be a waiter yourself and you appreciate overworked restaurant staff and you know they don't make much? Or because you thought the waitress was hot and you want to ask her out? They have no way of knowing WHY you gave the tip you did so, again, how does that cause them to modify their behavior?

Seems to me if you are getting poor service in a restaurant, you let somebody know. "Hey, I asked for a refill on my coffee 15 minutes ago." "This steak is cold and it's not cooked the way I wanted it done." "I told the waitress I wanted to order dessert but she just brought me my check and walked away." Isn't it a lot more mature to tell somebody why you aren't happy rather than just stiff them on the tip and leave them guessing as to why?

For that matter, is it even going to make them look at themselves and say "gosh, I guess I should have done a better job keeping that customer happy?" I'd think they more likely to say "wow, that guy was an a$$hole, I guess he was having a bad day and that's why he stiffed me on the tip. Screw that guy."

[MrPrena]

So the only place you ever get "decent service" is at a restaurant that has tipping?

I've gotten great service at: Fast food restaurants, Gun shops, Hardware stores, auto parts stores, grocery stores, department stores, discount stores, etc, with no tipping. I've also gotten poor service at restaurants that DID have tipping.

I've also dined in other countries where they don't have a tipping culture - notably Germany - and I was always served in just as professional and courteous a manner as I ever was in the US. So I don't see where "no tipping = poor service" actually applies in the real world. You can get crappy service anywhere. And you can get good service anywhere.

The problem with using tipping as an incentive for service is that it only works in the abstract, in the long run. When that server first comes to take your order, he/she doesn't know if you'll be a good tipper or a poor tipper. By the time you apply the "remedy" of a poor tip, the damage has already been done. What's the server supposed to do, chase you down and say "I promise I'll do a better job next time?"

For that matter, using tipping to incentivize good behavior or punish bad behavior is a pretty cumbersome mechanism for communicating to the staff about what you liked and disliked.

Let's say you leave a small tip or no tip. Is it because you were unsatisfied with the service? Or maybe the service was good but the food was bad? Or maybe you were just angry at the world that day? Or you were down to your last dollar and didn't leave enough left over for the tip? The server has no way of knowing WHY you left the poor tip, they just have to guess.

Conversely, let's say you leave a $50 or $100 tip on a $40 check. Is it because you had exceptional service? Or because you just hit the lottery or got your bonus and wanted to share the wealth? Or because you used to be a waiter yourself and you appreciate overworked restaurant staff and you know they don't make much? Or because you thought the waitress was hot and you want to ask her out? They have no way of knowing WHY you gave the tip you did so, again, how does that cause them to modify their behavior?

Seems to me if you are getting poor service in a restaurant, you let somebody know. "Hey, I asked for a refill on my coffee 15 minutes ago." "This steak is cold and it's not cooked the way I wanted it done." "I told the waitress I wanted to order dessert but she just brought me my check and walked away." Isn't it a lot more mature to tell somebody why you aren't happy rather than just stiff them on the tip and leave them guessing as to why?

For that matter, is it even going to make them look at themselves and say "gosh, I guess I should have done a better job keeping that customer happy?" I'd think they more likely to say "wow, that guy was an a$$hole, I guess he was having a bad day and that's why he stiffed me on the tip. Screw that guy."


I went to eat Pho for lunch today, and I did a nearly 15%.
I should have went to noodle and company. They do not do tipping, and they have a great service.



Old article, but they dont do tips.


Noodles & Co. CEO Explains Why They Have A No-Tipping Policy

Katie Little , CNBC Mar 19, 2014, 6:24 AM

No need for your internal Emily Post to debate about the merits of 15 percent or 18 percent here. At Noodles & Co., the recommended tip is nothing.

"Respect doesn't cost you anything," said Noodles CEO and Chairman Kevin Reddy in an interview. "Being nice doesn't cost you anything, and we don't really feel that folks should have to pay something additional for us to appreciate that they're choosing us over another restaurant."

The no-tipping policy also plays into an emphasis on relative value at Noodles, which has about 380 locations in 29 states and Washington, D.C., that serve a variety of noodle and pasta dishes, he added. The average meal sets diners back about $8?a price tag that's more expensive than fast food giants, like McDonald'sor Wendy's, but less so than casual dining chains, like Darden Restaurants' Olive Garden or DineEquity's Applebee's.



https://www.businessinsider.com/noodles-and-co-ceo-explains-why-they-have-a-no-tipping-policy-2014-3

[Martinjmpr]

I probably should add that I'm certainly not going to stop tipping and that I always tip, whether service is good or bad, in those businesses where tipping is customary (as I said above, if service is bad, I will let someone know, but really that almost never happens these days.)

As of now, tipping is the norm at many businesses and I'm certainly not going to punish the worker who's job is dependent on tips just because I think there may be a better way to achieve the same objective. I always tip when I get my hair cut, for example, and if I'm ordering at a bar or restaurant where tipping is customary, of course I'll tip there, too. Most of the rest of "tipping culture" is irrelevant to me since I really don't use services where tipping is the custom (taxi/Uber, hotel porters, food delivery services, newspaper delivery, housekeeper, lawn service, etc.)

I'm just saying that (1) Tipping may be "customary" in America but there are plenty of places where it's not and things work just fine in those places and (2) I think there are better ways of incentivizing good behavior and punishing bad behavior than by tipping or failing to tip.

Tipping is a relic of a stratified society with "uppers" and "lowers" and IMO has no place in a modern civilized commercial context where people exchange goods and services for money in an equal status.

[DDT951]

Tipping also makes the food look cheaper.

Martin mentioned Germany. They tell you right on the menu there is 19% MWST (essentially sales tax) and 18% service fee built into the prices you see on the menu. But keep in mind, there are no free refills (generally) in Germany. Most restaurants make the money there on drinks (well USA too).

I bet wait staff just love hearing "a glass of water"...

[MrPrena]

I will just do carryout or cook.





Is 25% the new 20%? How much to tip in a post-pandemic world
PUBLISHED FRI, JAN 14 2022 11:09 AM EST
UPDATED FRI, JAN 14 2022 11:41 AM EST
Jessica Dickler
@JDICKLER
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KEY POINTS
Whether you are dining in or carrying out, the old rules of gratuity no longer apply.
The pandemic has brought new awareness to the nation's hourly workforce and their compensation.



https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/14/is-25percent-the-new-20percent-how-much-to-tip-in-a-post-pandemic-world.html

[rondog]

Kinda related -

When we went on our honeymoon, it was to a Holiday Inn resort in Montego Bay, Jamaica - an "all inclusive" place, didn't have to pay for meals, drinks, etc., and tipping was discouraged. But Jamaicans get in no hurry, especially servers. I quickly found that an American $1 bill discretely slipped to a bartender or waiter would get you Johnny-on-the-spot service for the whole time you were there! Guess an American dollah was big-time money to those folks.

Also got a HUGE bag of weed for $20, but that's another story......

[Aloha_Shooter]

I'm just saying that (1) Tipping may be "customary" in America but there are plenty of places where it's not and things work just fine in those places and (2) I think there are better ways of incentivizing good behavior and punishing bad behavior than by tipping or failing to tip.

Tipping is a relic of a stratified society with "uppers" and "lowers" and IMO has no place in a modern civilized commercial context where people exchange goods and services for money in an equal status.

Yes, Australia and Ireland get along just fine without tipping. Of course, food and services cost a lot more there too. They also have a far different service culture than the U.S.

I highly disagree with your last statement. Tipping is an element of a more fully capitalist culture that rewards performance over mere existence. In the U.S., the "uppers" tend to be poorer tippers than the "lowers". In my experience, the best tippers are often people who have actually worked at those jobs.

[MrPrena]

Conservatively $100-150 per family. Server takes care of about 15 tables per night MINIMUM with current labor shortage.

$20-30 per table x 15 = $300-450 tip plus wage.


450x 250 work day = $112,500 just on tip.


I think next strike should be from King Soopers management for higher wages.

[BPTactical]

Kinda related -

When we went on our honeymoon, it was to a Holiday Inn resort in Montego Bay, Jamaica - an "all inclusive" place, didn't have to pay for meals, drinks, etc., and tipping was discouraged. But Jamaicans get in no hurry, especially servers. I quickly found that an American $1 bill discretely slipped to a bartender or waiter would get you Johnny-on-the-spot service for the whole time you were there! Guess an American dollah was big-time money to those folks.

Also got a HUGE bag of weed for $20, but that's another story......


Learned one thing from a friend of my wife when we went to Mexico to an all inclusive.
Tip your Bellhop WELL at the beginning of your stay. The Bellhops have the pulse of the entire resort and are connected.
$50.00 to him for dropping off our bags at our room brought us exemplary service in every aspect of the resort.

[Eric P]

Takeout 0%
Delivery 0% if a delivery fee is charged.
Hotel maid tips $0 since I leave no service tag on door.
Dine-in 15% max.

But I grew up as a .mil kid in Europe where tipping was not around and no sales tax.

[JoeRoss]

How much is appropriate to tip, for a service that is NEW to you, $5 - $20 - $50 and why?
Not everyone has stayed in a hotel/motel that has a bellhop etc.
Some services that you did not even know that they get tips.
I am sure that there are some who have done (at least part) of these, others have not.

The person in the airport, who pushes your wheelchair to the terminal?
Alcohol delivery?
Bathroom attendees?
Parking attendants, valets?
Hotel personnel - shuttle driver, bellhops, door staff, housekeepers, concierge?
Personal services - manicurist, massage therapist, waxing specialist, barber, hairstylist?
Taxi?
Grocery bagger that helps you to your car?
Tattoo artist?
Tour guide?
Coat room attendants?
Personal trainer?
Ice cream shop employees? (Baskin & Robbins, LOL my favorite)
Acupuncturist?
Mail man, UPS, Fed-ex?
Tailor?

Those are a few that come to mind, there are others.
Like I said, if this is your first time, and you didn't know to tip, how much is appropriate?

The alcohol or candy - tip.
I know people who have suggested this as a tip.
I ask them, do you know the person well enough to know if they are an alcoholic,or diabetic?
Asking that question has changed a few tips to cash.

About Home Depot, Lowes.
I asked the man who helped me to my vehicle and loaded my supplies in it, if I could tip him. He said that NO he can not accept a tip or he would be fired. Don't know how true that is, but I have tried, and heard it more than once.

[MrPrena]

I do not like tipping but i gave water , Gatorade and soft drinks to our usps carrier.

[wctriumph]

In the late 90’s and up to 2007 I would go to the UK about every 18 months or so and tipping was considered rude. I had a waitress tell me that it was inappropriate to tip her! In the bars, same thing but it was appropriate to buy the bartender a beer or a spirit to show your appreciation.

[Martinjmpr]

If you cant run a business without paying your help, DONT.

Exactly. From my viewpoint as the customer, what a meal costs is what it costs. If it's a $45 meal I'd rather just have a check for $45 handed to me than to get a check for $35 and then be 'expected' to add another $10 onto that.

It also benefits the server who knows he or she is going to make $XX per hour, period. No worrying about whether this customer might stiff you on the tip because he's having a bad day or because you didn't give him your number when he asked for it.

[MrPrena]

I just did a carryout at Marcos pizza.
No tip on carry outs nor fast food.

[JoeRoss]

How much $ for tipping cows?

[ray1970]

How much $ for tipping cows?

Depends how well you were serviced by the cow.

[MrPrena]

I tip about 1/2 (6-10%) of standard rate on buffet.
I gotta bring my own food, refill my drink and clean my own table like Mcdonald and pay a tip. [LOL]

Eta: they do take plates away, which I can do for a $1 on my own table.

[MrPrena]

'That's Just Cruel': Man Slammed For Playing Tip 'Game' With Waitress

BY?SARA SANTORA?ON 2/01/22 AT 11:32 AM EST




https://www.newsweek.com/thats-just-cruel-man-slammed-playing-tip-game-waitress-1675038?amp=1

[Justin]

I cannot fathom why anyone would use a service like Grub Hub or Doordash or whatever.

You end up paying half again as much what the meal cost, it takes forever to show up, and by the time it gets to your door, the food's gone cold and half your fries are missing.

I would literally rather just cook than use one of those services.

[00tec]

I cannot fathom why anyone would use a service like Grub Hub or Doordash or whatever.

You end up paying half again as much what the meal cost, it takes forever to show up, and by the time it gets to your door, the food's gone cold and half your fries are missing.

I would literally rather just cook than use one of those services.

Drizzly works great though

[Martinjmpr]

https://www.newsweek.com/thats-just-cruel-man-slammed-playing-tip-game-waitress-1675038?amp=1

I'll take "shit that didn't happen" for $500. :rolleyes:

[MrPrena]

I'll take "shit that didn't happen" for $500. :rolleyes:

It is reddit.