The Ultimate Carry Gun

[eddiememphis]

https://americanguncraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/diablo-nickel-rose_1-246-600x600.jpg

6" 12 gauge double barrel.
You wouldn't need ammo. Whip this nasty character out and watch the bad guys bolt.

[Ramsker]

Is that a gun you're appendix carrying . . . or are you John Holmes?

[Vic Tory]

It's a beauty! But tough to conceal....

[Great-Kazoo]

It's a beauty! But tough to conceal....

for some, perhaps ;)

[Fentonite]

for some, perhaps ;)

For the win.

[MrPrena]

This reminds me of when I thought Taurus Judge/Public Defender was really cool. I bought it from a forum member. I played with it? And sold it around year later.
Wow that was already 11 years ago.

[TEAMRICO]

But does it have ?Knock Down Power??

[rondog]

See that little post front sight? That sumbitch would put a hole in my forehead, fo' sho'......

[Waldo1]

But does it have ?Knock Down Power??

EXACTLY!! So now the real question to settle once and for all is, ".45 vs 9mm vs 12 Ga and why?" Lets discuss-or should I start a new thread?

[Zundfolge]

These are nifty, but pricey ... and I wish they made one that took shotgun shells.

https://americanguncraft.com/products/

[eddiememphis]

EXACTLY!! So now the real question to settle once and for all is, ".45 vs 9mm vs 12 Ga and why?" Lets discuss-or should I start a new thread?

Unfortunately, it's not tactical, bro.

[Great-Kazoo]

Unfortunately, it's not tactical, bro.

It's TIER 1 Bro. TIER 1!

[MrPrena]

I consider Palmetto as tier 1, and colt tier 2. :)

[FoxtArt]

These are nifty, but pricey ... and I wish they made one that took shotgun shells.

https://americanguncraft.com/products/

Do not buy unless you want ATF to have free guns. I fail to understand how things like this get designed without someone with a brain intervening.

A 12 gauge is a SBS no matter how you cut it. The only reason a .410 exists as a pistol is the common chambering with 45 long colt and a chamber size at or below .50.

A 12 gauge without a tax stamp is an illegal SBS no matter how they tried to cut it. Taurus once came out with a similar dumbass idea (20 gauge or something IIRC) and spent all sorts of money to design and prototype it....

Before someone with a brain finally stepped up. "Uh, you guys know that's an SBS right?"

[FoxtArt]

Checked website again. JEeeez.

Do not buy *anything* from them, they are an ATF raid away from making life miserable for customers. "California Legal" and "to FFL"

No... not California legal, and needs a FFL w/ SOT and your $200 stamp.

ETA: tried to email them this but their contact form doesn't do anything:How are these not a SBS or AOW? A .410 only exists because of common chambering with 45 long colt and a chambering at or under .50.


A 12 gauge is well over .50 caliber with no common chambering. No matter how you slice it it's either a SBS or a AOW. Why are you not advertising the necessity of a $200 tax stamp? These check all the boxes for a short barreled shotgun and none of the exemptions. Just giving you a heads up as I hate to see you and your customers get snagged on this.


Sincerely,
{fat man in a little suit}

ETA 2: There's like 5% of me that wonders if this is a trap website. Lol.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I always thought this was the ultimate carry gun ...

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/9/97/Ventura_firing_M134.png/revision/latest?cb=20140821203106

Oh wait, did you mean CONCEALED carry?

[FoxtArt]

Ah now I see... they are casting it as a muzzle loader.

Still seems like it's tangling too close to the fire.

[FoxtArt]

I always thought this was the ultimate carry gun ...

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/9/97/Ventura_firing_M134.png/revision/latest?cb=20140821203106

Oh wait, did you mean CONCEALED carry?

It is the ultimate concealed carry too [UZI]
All you have to do is don a brown uniform, and it'll still be concealed as you march around with a big carboard box, completely unnoticed.

[00tec]

Ah now I see... they are casting it as a muzzle loader.

Still seems like it's tangling too close to the fire.

Black powder muzzle loaders are not firearms to the ATF. These are clearly muzzle loaders from the photos

[kidicarus13]

Yep, not sure why the confusion.

[00tec]

Yep, not sure why the confusion.

I have a 40lb, 1.75" bore muzzle loader sitting on the floor directly below my TV. I definitely don't see an issue

[hollohas]

Ah now I see... they are casting it as a muzzle loader.

Still seems like it's tangling too close to the fire.You checked the website twice and didn't see the bold "muzzleloader" description along with all the '209 primer', '40gr ffg' load, etc?

They are not casting it as a muzzleloader. It IS a muzzleloader. It's classified as an 'antique firearm' per us code:

[Quote](C) any muzzleloading rifle, muzzleloading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term ?antique firearm? shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzleloading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.[\quote]

[buffalobo]

I thought I posted right at the beginning that it was BlackPowder.You did. Our reading comprehension as a group has been dropping for several years.

[eddiememphis]

It's TIER 1 Bro. TIER 1!

I'd take my hat off to the guy that can do a tier 1 tactical reload of that beast as he is being swarmed by whatever hordes these guys are constantly inundated by, necessitating at least two 13 round magazines for your daily carry.

[Squeeze]

Okay, getting ahead of the game here. I swear, if any of you buy that thing...do NOT ask me to make a holster for it.