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eddiememphis
03-16-2022, 07:29
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rubio-backed-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-passes-senate-heads-to-house
Marco Rubio introduced a bill to eliminate the bi-annual time change.
"Studies have shown many benefits of a year-round Daylight Saving Time, which is why the Florida legislature voted to make it permanent in 2018. I'm proud to reintroduce this bipartisan bill to make Daylight Saving Time permanent, and give our nation's families more stability throughout the year."
Family stability, huh?
I guess his "studies" didn't ask anyone in the northern states about having an issue with it not getting light until 9am.
I think he should consult a "study" about the governmental debt spending and its effect on long term fiscal stability of a nation.
But why bother with that triviality when there are more important issues to deal with?
If I understand you correctly you are against this?
Personally, I want all of the daylight I can get after work year round. In the winter months it is dark when I leave for work and dark when I come home from work. If they wouldn?t jack with the clocks at least there might be a little daylight left after work in the winter. Also, the hour of sleep they just took from me has my biological clock all out of whack. Switching the clocks twice a year over my lifetime is probably going to take years off my life.
.455_Hunter
03-16-2022, 08:28
I agree about there being more benefit to it staying lighter in the evening than lighter in the morning.
No need for switching clocks twice a year. Daylight savings all year is fine by me.
Delfuego
03-16-2022, 08:43
If I understand you correctly you are against this? I think he is against everything. Debbie-Downer comes to mind...
I survived no DST for a few years, even liked it. But you guys/gals know I'm a little touched.
BladesNBarrels
03-16-2022, 08:51
Been there, done that in 1974.
The Senate has already passed it again with unanimous vote.
Interesting how history keeps repeating itself.
1973 to 1975: Year-round experiment
During the 1973 oil embargo by the Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries (OAPEC), in an effort to conserve fuel, Congress enacted a trial period of year-round DST (P.L. 93-182), beginning January 6, 1974, and ending April 27, 1975.
The trial was hotly debated.
Those in favor pointed to increased daylight hours in the summer evening: more time for recreation, reduced lighting and heating demands, reduced crime, and reduced automobile accidents.
The opposition was concerned about children leaving for school in the dark and the construction industry was concerned about morning accidents.
The act was amended in October 1974 (P.L. 93-434) to return to standard time for four months, beginning October 27, 1974, and ending February 23, 1975, when DST resumed.
When the trial ended in October 1975, the country returned to observing summer DST (with the aforementioned exceptions)
BPTactical
03-16-2022, 08:54
If I understand you correctly you are against this?
Personally, I want all of the daylight I can get after work year round. In the winter months it is dark when I leave for work and dark when I come home from work. If they wouldn?t jack with the clocks at least there might be a little daylight left after work in the winter. Also, the hour of sleep they just took from me has my biological clock all out of whack. Switching the clocks twice a year over my lifetime is probably going to take years off my life.
Agree 100%
I always enjoy the additional light after I get off of work. I would much rather see the swing this way instead of the other way i.e Standard time that to my understanding the Colorado Legislature is trying to make a ballot initiative. Stupid Dems.
I would not care for sunrise at 0430 and sundown at 1930 on June 21.
As far as the annual time changes, never really bugged me much. Yeah a couple days afterward were an adjustment but I also looked at it as a rite of passage of the changing seasons.
I am only STRONGLY opposed to year-round standard time. Sounds like many of the dems in our legislature are under the impression that daylight savings time is in the winter, when we lose that extra hour! BOOO.
A common misperception. Yeah... the kids thing may be a valid argument. Maybe more flexibility in workplaces/school would be a better solution. Unsafe to do roadwork at 8am in the middle of winter? Well then, start at 9am... I'll take my $150,000 consultancy fee, thank you Colorado.
BPTactical
03-16-2022, 09:45
Most of the roadwork is done at night now anyway.
Rooskibar03
03-16-2022, 09:52
Im ok with it so long as we can move AZ out of Pacific time zone and move to Mountain. :-)
hurley842002
03-16-2022, 10:04
Im ok with it so long as we can move AZ out of Pacific time zone and move to Mountain. :-)
Agree!
BushMasterBoy
03-16-2022, 10:25
We don't need anymore laws.
Why can't we just identify whichever way we want to? I think it's still 9:38am MT right now... If you think it's 10:38am MT, you're oppressing me.
Scanker19
03-16-2022, 10:41
Let’s just use Zulu time and be done with it.
clodhopper
03-16-2022, 11:12
Let’s just use Zulu time and be done with it.
Doesnt really solve anything. "Hey, Im east coast calling west coast client,... are they even at work right now?"
BladesNBarrels
03-16-2022, 11:57
November 18, 1883 High Noon
Time Zones created by the American and Canadian Railroads to get things running on time.
https://i.imgur.com/ANx6y25.png
If they change it to ONE time, I will not have to remember when I get in the car, if the clock is one hour earlier or later.
I just know it is right half the year. Which half, that is when "some"timers kicks in. Some times I remember, some times I don't.
Martinjmpr
03-16-2022, 14:30
If I understand you correctly you are against this?
Personally, I want all of the daylight I can get after work year round. In the winter months it is dark when I leave for work and dark when I come home from work. If they wouldn?t jack with the clocks at least there might be a little daylight left after work in the winter. Also, the hour of sleep they just took from me has my biological clock all out of whack. Switching the clocks twice a year over my lifetime is probably going to take years off my life.
I'm with you here. Probably the thing I hate most about Winter is when it gets dark at 4:45 PM. Just makes me want to go to bed at 6:00.
By contrast, daylight between 4 am and 5 am does me no good. So I'm all in favor of year round DST.
eddiememphis
03-16-2022, 14:45
If I understand you correctly you are against this?
I don't care either way.
I think there are a lot more important issues Congress should deal with before wasting time on this nonsense.
Another vote for DST year round. With many school districts continuing the "hybrid" learning model, does it make any difference if it's dark outside? I'd much rather have sunset at 1730 than 1630 in the winter, as I have SGAD (Seasonal Grumpy Ass Disorder).
Zundfolge
03-16-2022, 16:34
Let’s just use Zulu time and be done with it.
Don't worry, in a few years we'll all be on Beijing time, we'll own nothing and we'll be happy.
Aloha_Shooter
03-16-2022, 23:05
I agree about there being more benefit to it staying lighter in the evening than lighter in the morning.
I disagree. I wake naturally with the sunshine. Having to use an alarm to wake up often just gets my day off on the wrong foot. I’m far less affected by it being dark in the evening.
No need for switching clocks twice a year. Daylight savings all year is fine by me.
There’s a reason it’s called STANDARD time. The zones are based on when the sun is more or less directly overhead at noon. We don’t need to keep changing clocks, just change your hours to open and close an hour earlier if you want. People in Hawaii get used to working 8-4 instead of 9-5 and there’s never a need to screw around with the clock. Daylight Savings Time in the 21st century is one of the dumbest ideas ever. “Permanent” Daylight Savings Time is just ridiculous.
Aloha_Shooter
03-16-2022, 23:09
Doesnt really solve anything. "Hey, Im east coast calling west coast client,... are they even at work right now?"
Of course it does. If everyone is on Zulu time (aka Universal Time Coordinated or UTC), you just have to know the Z time they’re open — which for your scenario is easy, just add 3 hours to the Z-time the East Coaster used for his/her hours. Getting rid of time zones and using UTC globally makes far more sense than changing the clocks or permanently shifting your clock so the sun is overhead at 1300 instead of 1200.
I disagree. I wake naturally with the sunshine.
Well, princess, I would wager a great deal of the population doesn?t have that luxury. If I woke when the sun came up I?d be an hour or two late to work depending on the time of year.
I’m with Aloha.. get rid of daylight savings altogether and just change the hours that are considered the standard work day. Making DST permanent fucks the whole GMT thing.
StagLefty
03-17-2022, 08:42
There's a time change ???? [facepalm]
Great-Kazoo
03-17-2022, 08:54
I think he is against everything. Debbie-Downer comes to mind...
I survived no DST for a few years, even liked it. But you guys/gals know I'm a little touched.
did you file a police report?
Great-Kazoo
03-17-2022, 09:02
Im ok with it so long as we can move AZ out of Pacific time zone and move to Mountain. :-)
Agree!
I'm undecided. However, we need to keep pacific residents from making AZ their permanent home.
I like being able to do things after work during the spring,summer, fall that require daylight. Going to year round standard time I would lose approximately 230 hours of productivity every year because I can't do those things before work. I'm good with the way it is, but daylight time is fine too. Year round standard time would really suck for me. I would have to get a half year modified work schedule to compensate for it, but I guess that's possible too if I'm faced with that. I honestly don't see what the big deal is with changing the clocks; I've never had an issue with it in my 50 years. Millions of people travel every year changing time zones, but changing the clock twice a year is some horrible event. The biggest issue with this is that people want different things so the current system is a compromise that people bitch about too.
Tuesday I took advantage of the time change and did a range trip to the South Park Range when I finished up work at 4:00.. I look forward to the spring forward every year. I guess it's all in how you look at it.
Tuesday I took advantage of the time change and did a range trip to the South Park Range when I finished up work at 4:00.. I look forward to the spring forward every year. I guess it's all in how you look at it.
But if they hadn?t set the clocks back on you last fall you could have done that probably five weeks ago.
Delfuego
03-18-2022, 10:05
did you file a police report?Nah, only cops I talk to are drinking buddies and they don't wanna talk about work.
I am convinced AZ timezone is less about time, more about not bursting into flames. Who wants the sun to stay up till 9pm in the summer in the valley?
BladesNBarrels
03-18-2022, 17:02
Reminds me of Boot Camp many decades ago
Standard Time then Daylight Savings Time
Get with the program, Boot
https://i.imgur.com/PuANdPE.jpg
Winter = not DST Summer = DST, DST is setting the clocks forward in the Summertime so it stays light past 9:30PM.
Permanent DST means a bit more light in the wintertime and fall evenings, summer stays the same.
Permanent Standard Time means even the "longest days" of Summer get dark at about 8 - 8:30pm, we would permanently be on the winter schedule.
A point of confusion around a lot of the population - just if anyone wasn't clear.
JohnnyDrama
03-19-2022, 06:38
I've followed this thread for over three pages. I'm trying to keep up. I'm having a hard time though. I agree changing the clocks is stupid. An attempt by enlightened men of science to exert control over nature and we are suffering their hubris. It seems like it's dark most mornings when I get up. Regardless of the time of year or whatever time scheme I'm on. On a project up in North Dakota there was a lot of sunlight. We could put in 14 hour days with no problem. Unless you can change axial tilt that is probably the most sound way to get more hours out of the day.
Great-Kazoo
03-19-2022, 12:03
I've followed this thread for over three pages. I'm trying to keep up. I'm having a hard time though. I agree changing the clocks is stupid. An attempt by enlightened men of science to exert control over nature and we are suffering their hubris. It seems like it's dark most mornings when I get up. Regardless of the time of year or whatever time scheme I'm on. On a project up in North Dakota there was a lot of sunlight. We could put in 14 hour days with no problem. Unless you can change axial tilt that is probably the most sound way to get more hours out of the day.
3 pages? reset your settings.
Great-Kazoo
03-19-2022, 12:04
Nah, only cops I talk to are drinking buddies and they don't wanna talk about work.
I am convinced AZ timezone is less about time, more about not bursting into flames. Who wants the sun to stay up till 9pm in the summer in the valley?
I liked the weather chick saying.. We're in for a cool down this week. The temps will drop from 113 down to 110. [facepalm] Only in the valley.
funkymonkey1111
03-19-2022, 12:15
Any idea pushed by Little Marco is bound to be stupid--just like this Senate action.
eddiememphis
03-19-2022, 15:37
...Unless you can change axial tilt that is probably the most sound way to get more hours out of the day.
Shhh... Don't bring up more things for Congress to fuck up.
I'm sure they would love to spend a few billion on an exploratory committee of some sort to investigate doing just that.
After all, equal sunlight for all would be a great re-election issue.
crashdown
03-19-2022, 16:32
We are almost at the point where there is sun (light) from wake-up to sleepy time?.. love it.
Zundfolge
03-19-2022, 17:17
If DST had never existed, I can't imagine anyone here thinking someone proposing to institute it now was anything less than severely mentally ill.
Aloha_Shooter
03-19-2022, 17:43
Well, princess, I would wager a great deal of the population doesn?t have that luxury. If I woke when the sun came up I?d be an hour or two late to work depending on the time of year.
A great deal of the population would know how to change their work hours if we didn't have this idiotic anachronism. Want more light at the end of the work day? Start and end work earlier buttercup. Why do you think it's natural to have the sun at zenith at 1300 instead of 1200? Changing clocks in the 21st century is for sub-90 IQs. Going to permanent "daylight savings" time is for sub-80 IQs.
Just pick one, dammit. The justification for this was to save money? How many billions have all of these time changes cost the Information Technology and Financial sectors?
Got this from a co-worker via Teams on Friday morning before the time change;
In Sweden, researchers found an average 6.7 percent greater risk of heart attack in the three days after the spring change. Inspired by that finding, a group of U.S. researchers conducted their own study and determined that heart attack risk jumped 24 percent the Monday after switching over to daylight saving time. That risk then tapered off over the remainder of the week.
By contrast, risk for heart attack dropped 21 percent on the Tuesday after the fall time change.
another daylight savings time on Sunday, time to roll the dice again with a heart attack
Appeared to be healthy, nobody knew of any heart issues, and just got back a couple of weeks ago from a ski vacation in Vail. Seemed fine on Mon. He didn't check in on Tues. morning and couldn't be reached by phone. Early to mid 30s. Found dead in his apartment, apparently from a heart attack, when a supervisor went to check on him.
JohnnyDrama
03-19-2022, 21:13
3 pages? reset your settings.
You mean like my clocks?
crashdown
03-19-2022, 21:15
Just pick one, dammit. The justification for this was to save money? How many billions have all of these time changes cost the Information Technology and Financial sectors?
Got this from a co-worker via Teams on Friday morning before the time change;
Appeared to be healthy, nobody knew of any heart issues, and just got back a couple of weeks ago from a ski vacation in Vail. Seemed fine on Mon. He didn't check in on Tues. morning and couldn't be reached by phone. Early to mid 30s. Found dead in his apartment, apparently from a heart attack, when a supervisor went to check on him.
Damn?
I could of gotten a lot of Monday's off school or work in my life if I could have convinced whoever that waking up an hour early could kill me?
Or does changing the time on your clock kill?
Either way, if this is true no more early morning fishing trips would cause me heart issues too.
Fentonite
03-19-2022, 21:49
...ski vacation in Vail... Early to mid 30s... Found dead in his apartment, apparently from a heart attack..
Umm, sounds like something besides a one-hour-earlier wake-up might be worth considering. No disrespect to the deceased, but common things being common, maybe broaden the differential a bit.
Mock it if you want, but apparently it's a 'thing': https://duckduckgo.com/?q=time+change+and+heart+attacks&atb=v314-6&ia=web
Great-Kazoo
03-20-2022, 09:35
You mean like my clocks?
No.
Go in to MY SETTINGS, then down to general settings. Scroll down to Thread Display Options then click on Number of Posts to Show Per Page
eddiememphis
05-01-2022, 08:44
https://coloradosun.com/2022/04/29/colorado-permanent-daylight-saving-time/
Update-
Colorado passed a bill to make DST permanent. Polis needs to sign it.
However, Congress must pass a law allowing it and at least 4 other states in the Mountain time zone must do the same.
"Denver, for instance, would see about two months of the year where the sun would not rise before 8 a.m. and for nearly half of the year wouldn’t see a sunrise before 7 a.m. The number of days with sunsets after 7 p.m. would be virtually unchanged, though there would be more than 50 additional days with a sunset after 6 p.m."
hollohas
05-01-2022, 10:09
https://coloradosun.com/2022/04/29/colorado-permanent-daylight-saving-time/
Update-
Colorado passed a bill to make DST permanent. Polis needs to sign it.
However, Congress must pass a law allowing it and at least 4 other states in the Mountain time zone must do the same.
"Denver, for instance, would see about two months of the year where the sun would not rise before 8 a.m. and for nearly half of the year wouldn?t see a sunrise before 7 a.m. The number of days with sunsets after 7 p.m. would be virtually unchanged, though there would be more than 50 additional days with a sunset after 6 p.m."So AZ would have to change to DST? Pretty sure they're not going to do that.
Colorado should just change to permanent standard time. Or how I like to call it, real time.
Aloha_Shooter
05-03-2022, 04:41
So AZ would have to change to DST? Pretty sure they're not going to do that.
Colorado should just change to permanent standard time. Or how I like to call it, real time.
We live in an age of idiocracy. Don't put it past the new generation of Arizonans to buy the agenda of Green.
Martinjmpr
05-03-2022, 09:42
So AZ would have to change to DST? Pretty sure they're not going to do that.
Colorado should just change to permanent standard time. Or how I like to call it, real time.
Oh, HELL no. I don't need it to see sunrise at 4:30 AM. I'm retired from the Army and I'm not a farmer.
Give me that daylight from 7:30 to 8:30 every night. Much more useful.
JohnnyDrama
05-03-2022, 17:35
Does this mean we can go on "Summer Hours" all year?
clodhopper
05-03-2022, 19:11
Does this mean we can go on "Summer Hours" all year?
Man I hope not. Summer is freaking busy.
Aloha_Shooter
05-03-2022, 19:40
Oh, HELL no. I don't need it to see sunrise at 4:30 AM. I'm retired from the Army and I'm not a farmer.
Give me that daylight from 7:30 to 8:30 every night. Much more useful.
Give me the daylight centered around noon as nature and the clock intended. If you're retired, you shouldn't care what the clock says anyway, you should be going by the sun's position but daylight at 2030 and having to turn the lights on at 0730 are just stupid late.
The sun should be as nearly directly overhead at noon on the equinoxes as possible.
BladesNBarrels
05-04-2022, 08:14
Give me the daylight centered around noon as nature and the clock intended. If you're retired, you shouldn't care what the clock says anyway, you should be going by the sun's position but daylight at 2030 and having to turn the lights on at 0730 are just stupid late.
The sun should be as nearly directly overhead at noon on the equinoxes as possible.
Been there, done that
Before clocks were invented, people kept time using different instruments to observe the Sun?s meridian passing at noon.
The earliest time measuring devices we know of are sundials and water clocks.
The use of local solar time became increasingly awkward as railways and telecommunications improved.
Time zones were, therefore, a compromise, relaxing the complex geographic dependence while still allowing local time to be approximate with mean solar time.
And then, we can join the Communist Chinese
Some countries such as China use a single time zone even though their territory extends beyond the 15 degrees of longitude allocated to each time zone.
https://i.imgur.com/6AjzYTZ.jpg
OtterbatHellcat
05-05-2022, 23:58
If DST is a real thing and it's official....AZ would not be MST, rather PST to the USA all the time, as I understand it.
Martinjmpr
05-06-2022, 08:13
If DST is a real thing and it's official....AZ would not be MST, rather PST to the USA all the time, as I understand it.
Arizona doesn't observe DST so when we are on DST they are in the Pacific time zone but when we are not on DST they are in the MST time zone.
....except for the Navajo reservation, which is basically the northeastern quarter of AZ, which DOES observe DST. ;)
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