View Full Version : Commie care is upon us.
We were already down the drain, now it's just getting flushed! Ha
thedave1164
12-24-2009, 09:08
We were already down the drain, now it's just getting flushed! Ha
Actually a giant turd just plugged the toilet.
Bailey Guns
12-24-2009, 09:11
Merry Christmas from the Head MoFo Socialist In Charge, Harry Reid.
Everyone remember...both Colorado senators (Bennett and Udall) voted for this nightmare.
Great-Kazoo
12-24-2009, 09:23
my Dr. already told me this will probably force him out of business. Not obamacare itself but the higher ins premiums his ins carrier will hit him with to cover OC.
dominos falling. time to change my name to something 3rd world sounding
Zundfolge
12-24-2009, 10:35
Here, just to cheer y'all up even more.
http://www.peoplespresscollective.org/2009/12/what-a-surprise-democrats-lied-about-health-reform-savings/
palepainter
12-24-2009, 10:42
I received this quote in an email today. So appropriate.
"Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism"
- Vladimir Lenin
But on a positive note, we can all move to Nebraska and get a perk.
I received this quote in an email today. So appropriate.
"Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism"
- Vladimir Lenin
But on a positive note, we can all move to Nebraska and get a perk.
Free blowjobs on the hour are not enough perk to get me to move to Nebraska....[Stooge]
I got this today.
http://www.rutherford.org/oldspeak/articles/interviews/oldspeak-Hentoff_2009.html
palepainter
12-24-2009, 10:48
Free blowjobs on the hour are not enough perk to get me to move to Nebraska....[Stooge]
[ROFL2]
Bailey Guns
12-24-2009, 10:49
Free blowjobs on the hour are not enough perk to get me to move to Nebraska....[Stooge]
WOW! Now there's a guy who REALLY doesn't like Nebraska.
DD977GM2
12-24-2009, 10:51
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"I try to avoid hyperbole, but I think Obama is possibly the most dangerous and destructive president we have ever had."—Nat Hentoff
WOW! Now there's a guy who REALLY doesn't like Nebraska.
I lived in Omaha from August 1988-March 1989.....longest 3 years of my life.....
Bailey Guns
12-24-2009, 11:02
I hear ya. I was at Offutt from late 84 to late 89 (Air Force Global Weather, Special Operations Branch).
I do miss the Runza place. Um-um good!
Bailey Guns
12-24-2009, 11:07
I forgot... I did live in a little place right on the West bank of the Missouri River. Nice and isolated with the center of a 1/2 mile long and 100' high dirt bluff directly across the river from my place.
I used to shoot at stuff (logs and such) floating down the river with a Mini-14. I tried to perfect a technique of shooting off the surface of the river to hit rocks and stumps on the bluff on the opposite side. Never worked consistently, though...too many variables.
Caught lots of good catfish there, too.
A day in history that takes this country closer to its demise yet the history books will tell of the great challenges and tribulations that would make this country greater.[BooHoo]
Pistol Packing Preacher
12-24-2009, 12:13
The begging of control is upon us.
“I need my meds”
“Got to have the Mark to get your meds”
….
“OK”
I hear ya. I was at Offutt from late 84 to late 89 (Air Force Global Weather, Special Operations Branch).
I do miss the Runza place. Um-um good!
If you ever get the urge, there's a Runza Hut in Loveland, I wanna say at about 22nd and Lincoln....
I think I may have met you at the Cutthroat last February....we were headed up to do the Elephant Ride on Guanella pass on our motorcycles...
Bailey Guns
12-24-2009, 12:32
Runza Hut in Loveland... I feel a ride comin' on!
It's possible we met there. I see so many people there I can't keep track. We'll have to try it again. I've got a new Road King Police that needs some miles on it.
pickenup
12-24-2009, 14:03
Stick a fork in U.S.
This (once great) country is done. [Mad][Mad][Mad]
Troublco
12-24-2009, 14:34
Well. The Great Socialist Dream, as propagated by Lenin, Marx, Mao, and company, is coming to pass after all. The only thing they goofed up was when, and where.
Democrats (liberals, socialists, whatever you want to call them) are a scourge on the face of our once-great country. Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and the rest of our founding fathers and all those who fought and worked and toiled to make this country what it started out to be would be reviled and disgusted to see what it's become.
I'm so disgusted, I want to puke. Merry Christmas, America. Welcome to the Great Socialist Paradise.
Batteriesnare
12-24-2009, 14:37
I've always heard of the little boy living in a socialist country, dreaming of moving to the free country of America. Thanks to our wonderful establishment, both his and my dreams of freedom are being crushed.
jerrymrc
12-24-2009, 18:17
I got this in the mail today. I do intend to write a letter explaining that as a 51 YO that works and votes I have never been involved in politics, but I will be.....
Dear Friend,
Today I voted for a health care reform bill that will bring meaningful change to Coloradans. Reform that provides coverage to 840,000 uninsured Coloradans, extends and protects Medicare for our seniors and provides free preventive care for everyone. Reform that provides tax cuts to small businesses and eliminates exclusions based on pre-existing conditions. And, as promised, I voted for health care reform that doesn’t add a dime to the deficit.
This bill will make a substantial difference in the lives of Coloradans who are doing jobs much harder than those in Washington, working late into the night, and taking an extra shift before Christmas so they can afford that extra gift beneath the tree. It is for those Americans who are unemployed in this savage economy and still trying to make sure the kids know they are remembered during this holiday season.
For Colorado, this bill will help over 68,000 small businesses provide health care coverage for their employees as they have always tried to do. It makes health care more accessible and more affordable in rural areas by making sure doctors receive a fair rate of return for the quality care they provide. And for the nearly 500,000 seniors in Colorado, it strengthens and protects Medicare while ensuring seniors don’t see a single cut to their guaranteed benefits.
I do not support the special deals in this bill. I continue to believe we should include a public option. And I have been disappointed by weeks of delay tactics that have done nothing but expose a broken Washington.
However, this bill is about the Coloradans and all Americans who just want a decent shot at the American dream. It’s about lowering skyrocketing health care costs and reducing the deficit by nearly $1.3 trillion over the next 20 years. It’s about ensuring the strength of Medicare for years to come and bringing much-needed, improved and affordable care to working families.
After decades of trying, we finally passed a bill that saves money, saves lives and gives families a fighting chance against relentless insurance company abuses.
I will continue to push for improvements in this bill as we move toward the conference report and a final bill.
As always, I would love to hear from you. You can send me a message or find contact information at my web site. I encourage you to reach out.
Sincerely,
Michael F. Bennet
U.S. Senator for Colorado
shoulda seen the shit Udall sent me...
Batteriesnare
12-24-2009, 19:06
Both of them will be removed from office.
I can't wait for elections.
The line was drawn in the sand by the majority of the American people, they not only crossed it, but they spit in our face while they did it.
These immoral, communist lunatics have now really, really, really, really pissed off 100 million or so people. I'm sure glad I'm not one of them.
I think what ultimately pisses me off about this is, it happened on my watch!!!
Merry Christmas,
Moon.
I just cannot understand why we put up with our so called reps. not giving US gov. by the People.
Instead we are getting gov. by the gov. and we are supposed to be Thankful...
theGinsue
12-26-2009, 15:34
...This bill will make a substantial difference in the lives of Coloradans who are doing jobs much harder than those in Washington, working late into the night, and taking an extra shift before Christmas so they can afford that extra gift beneath the tree.
Oh, it'll make a substantial difference all right. It'll adversely affect the financial status of millions of American families and make so many more of us dependant on the "security" of the government and it's programs.
...It’s about lowering skyrocketing health care costs and reducing the deficit by nearly $1.3 trillion over the next 20 years. It’s about ensuring the strength of Medicare for years to come and bringing much-needed, improved and affordable care to working families.
I still haven't been able to figure out how the government spending so much of our money and creating a system that will wipe out existing health insurance options currently in use by millions of Americans will SAVE money. Instead of "fixing" what they percieve to be broken, they should be determining WHY health care costs are "skyrocketing".
...As always, I would love to hear from you. You can send me a message or find contact information at my web site. I encourage you to reach out.
Yeah, I'm not believing this one bit. Every time I've "reached out" to communicate with our elected officials I get a sweet little canned response telling me how their actions are just what we need to fix everything. Honestly, they don't want to hear what I have to say.
shoulda seen the shit Udall sent me...
Yup, I got his message too. More canned liberal/bureaucratic "the sky was falling, but I fixed it" crap.
I've been particularly interested in seeing all of the political advertisements for both Udall and Bennet that tell us what a great job they've done for us and thanking them. It's just a psych job aimed at getting the weak minded to believe they're really doing good things for us so, come next election, we'll remember all of the propaganda and forget how much they actually harmed our state and country.
GreenScoutII
12-26-2009, 17:09
Ok... I'll admit that sometimes I see things a little differently than a lot of people do. Sometimes differently than my fellow gun nuts see them even.
First off, I do appreciate that someone in Washington has noticed that the cost of healthcare is out of control. I also appreciate the sentiment behind what Obama and his Donkey co-horts attempted to do. I really do understand. Hell, my wife and I just got done paying off nearly 25K worth of medical expenses from the birth of our twin girls. Please understand, the 25K was the portion NOT covered by insurance.
The insurance company refused to pay for two medically necessary procedures. One was for my wife, and the other was on one of the girls. Without the benefit of insurance, the total bill was more than 300K. That would have bankrupted us.....
So, I get it. I really do.
My objection to this healthcare reform bill however is based on three key points:
1. This legislation is almost certainly unconstitutional. I'm not constitutional scholar, but I don't remember reading anything in the constitution which would allow this type of action on the part of the government.
2. People will be forced to buy health insurance from a private company. What kind of racket is that? The government forcing consumers to purchase something they may or may not need or want. This leads me to my last point..
3. This legislation will only benefit the insurance companies. It will not benefit anyone else. Why do you think the shares of these companies skyrocketed with the passage of this bill? Obama and company just made these fuckers rich at our expense.
I'm thoroughly disgusted with our whole government. Fuck them... No, wait, I'm the one who's fucked....
jerrymrc
12-26-2009, 17:41
Bennet is up for his first election in 2010. Udall is not. I pray someone that is good runs against him. I will say that the only Dem I have ever voted for here in Colorado turned right around and bit me in the ass.
Pancho Villa
12-26-2009, 18:26
Fellow gun lovers,
Before one asks why healthcare costs have skyrocketed, you have to distinguish between two kinds of healthcare; government-regulated healthcare and free-market healthcare.
Hospitals, primary care, ICU, etc., are some of the most heavily regulated industries in the United States. Healthcare in general is probably regulated second only to uranium mining and private nuclear power generation. Laws, reglations, etc., up the wazoo. This is the healthcare we speak of when we talk of healthcare prices skyrocketing, and it is no coincidence that it is also the most regulated part of healthcare.
Less "important" healthcare is not so regulated. Lasik eye surgery is a good example. In the handful of years since it was introduced, this completely electrive surgery has had prices fall by almost 50% and new, safer and more efficient procedures introduced regularly. This is the normal process for technological advancement when the government takes a "laissez faire" (literally - "let be!") attitude towards an industry.
The heavy hand of the government will be found behind every problem in our healthcare industry. Incompetent insurance companies? It is by government regulation and "encouragement" that HMOs came to dominate the healthcare scene, and that connected health insurance to employers rather than employees, effectively cutting off a large measure of the competitive pressures that allow other industries to become very much more 'customer friendly.'
Skyrocketing insurance costs? Look no further than our own Colorado state legislature, who just last year passed a bill prohibiting insurance companies from jacking up rates "discriminatorily" - ie, charging more for people who have more claims. The result is that we all pay more in order to compensate for that. Lets not even get into the ridiculous "mandatory coverage" that insurance companies are forced to provide to everyone - for example, even women who have no intention of getting pregnant and never will must take pregnancy coverage.
It is typical of statists that they instate controls, then blame the failures of these controls on the free market and use it as an excuse to institute further controls. Repeat this until there is no more free market to disparage.
Rather than more controls, what the American people and their elected representatives need to understand is that controls have been tried - here and in almost every other country on earth - and demonstrated to be total failures at their stated objectives. It is controls that have been given the chance, and controls that must be discarded, if we want to have affordable health care.
Bailey Guns
12-26-2009, 18:37
Unfortunately, the term "free market" when referring to almost any business in this country is a myth.
Government has their hands in everything and it's killing our country.
Unfortunately, the term "free market" when referring to almost any business in this country is a myth.
Government has their hands in everything and it's killing our country.
Yep, exactly right. Get the gov't out and things will improve...dramatically.
GreenScoutII
12-26-2009, 19:28
Rather than more controls, what the American people and their elected representatives need to understand is that controls have been tried - here and in almost every other country on earth - and demonstrated to be total failures at their stated objectives. It is controls that have been given the chance, and controls that must be discarded, if we want to have affordable health care.
Pancho, your posts are always well thought out and informative. I think the solution to the problem is to get the government and the lawyers out of healthcare. Less regulation in general would be a good thing to drive prices down.
One way we could do this is to move to a system of using insurance coverage only for more serious health issues. For example, bypass surgery, chemotherapy, and organ transplants are the types of procedures that insurance should cover. My kid needing antibiotics for an ear infection is something which could be paid out of pocket.
Certain classes of drugs and medicines should be completely re-classified so they can be purchased over the counter without prescription. I'll give you a personal example. I have psoriasis, a skin condition. It is easily treated with topical steriods and Dovonex, a synthetic form of vitamin D. My deratologist always prescribes the same meds as they work well for me. I am well informed as to how exactly they are to be used. Clobex, the steroid comes in a 4oz pump spray bottle. Dovonex comes in a tube about the size of a tube of toothpaste. Want to guess what the retail price is? $450 and $750 respectively. No shit....
If these were available without prescription, I guarantee you they would be considerably cheaper. The only reason these things are as costly as they are is due to insurance being billed for them rather than the consumer directly. If the drug company can get that kind of coin from the insurance company, what incentive do they have do bring costs down?
2. People will be forced to buy health insurance from a private company. What kind of racket is that? The government forcing consumers to purchase something they may or may not need or want. This leads me to my last point..
3. This legislation will only benefit the insurance companies. It will not benefit anyone else. Why do you think the shares of these companies skyrocketed with the passage of this bill? Obama and company just made these fuckers rich at our expense.
I'm thoroughly disgusted with our whole government. Fuck them... No, wait, I'm the one who's fucked....
2: Same as car insurance. If you don't have it and get caught or get in an accident you get fucked. best thing to be is illegal because you will get taken care of and not have to pay the bills.
I am sick of the entire deal. I don't even like the part about forcing insurance companies to cover people with pre-exisiting conditions. They are being forced to automatically lose out with that patient and makes MY rates higher.
Before long if you want anything done you are going to just have to pay some extra on your own, or on the side.
I also don't see how the demofucks can even possibly say they will save money by spending more money....except for the fact they are raising taxes on lots of things. 10% on tanning was one i remember.
theGinsue
12-26-2009, 20:57
Pancho / All,
My comment about determining the cause of why health care costs are skyrocking was rhetorical. Your explanation for the cause is quite obvious to folks like you and me, but somehow becomes unknowable to the politicians who have caused all of this.
Pancho Villa
12-26-2009, 21:04
Ginsue,
This is a bit out of my field of expertise, but I think that the reason they can't see it is because they psychologically can't accept them as doing nothing but harm.
I believe that most people in congress and politics in general are power-lusters. There are two things a power luster will never do, related to each other:
1) Let his victims know that he's a power lusting parasite who craves control over people
2) Let himself know it
People can't live with the idea of "I am an evil son of a bitch." The rhetoric you hear out of them is genuine, in that I am fairly sure that 99% of the people who say it believe it with all their hearts. The reason they are blind to the facts is because, if they looked at the facts objectively, their own moral status would become clear to them and they would not be able to operate on a day to day basis. The genuine sociopath is a rarity and the rest of humanity's scum make excuses that paint them as the "good guy" constantly, in the face of all reality.
Psychological self-preservation, in other words. I don't expect to enlighten them or change their minds because I know that they aren't innocently in error. I don't think one can be a statist, innocently, anymore. Maybe back in the 20s, but not with almost a century of modern statism of all stripes to show the clear results.
Even though it would negatively affect (at least temporarily) every person in the country, I'd like to see every single private health insurance company just pull completely out of the market and non-renew all policies when they expire and not sell any new ones. Just say "Fuck you, we're out!" Is the government going to FORCE someone to start a company then? You can't regulate shit if no one is willing to do business.
I know that in reality the government (and the people) would just panic and throw together some nightmare government program together over night. I'm just really frustrated about this meddling in private business. You know all those signs in every store in the country that say "We have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason" ? It's like the government just came in and tore the sign down. When a business loses the right to refuse service to people, it might as well no longer be privately owned. /rant.
Stu just hit the nail on the head, you can't help but wonder; what next?!!?
RCCrawler
12-26-2009, 23:30
2: Same as car insurance. If you don't have it and get caught or get in an accident you get fucked. best thing to be is illegal because you will get taken care of and not have to pay the bills.
Wrong, Car insurance is not federally mandated, each state has separate laws regarding it. Also you are not forced to buy car insurance, only people who CHOOSE to drive vehicles are required to have it, not even single person weather they want it or not.
theGinsue
12-26-2009, 23:47
I'd like to see every single private health insurance company just pull completely out of the market and non-renew all policies when they expire and not sell any new ones. Just say "Fuck you, we're out!" Is the government going to FORCE someone to start a company then? You can't regulate shit if no one is willing to do business.
Sounds like you want to stop the motor of the world.
Who is John Galt?
(BTW: Those are references to Ayn Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged in which the character John Galt did just what you are suggesting to bring down the liberal and corrupt government as well as to change the way people think. They get away with all of this crap because we allow them to. As long as we continue to be a part of the system - even if we do it begrudgingly - we continue to sanction their behavior.)
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