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hollohas
03-25-2022, 18:10
Did we start a new thread yet?
Biden was speaking to the 82nd in Poland and said "you're going to see when you're there, women and young people standing in front of tanks"....
So, does he have plans to send them in?
This guy...
https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1507405803443077135
BushMasterBoy
03-25-2022, 18:21
My understanding is that US Special Forces were the ones that trained the Ukraine Armed Forces after the loss of Crimea. That was years ago. And that explains the success against Ivan. I think after the withdrawal of the Rus forces that Special Forces will go in again and do what they do.
hollohas
03-25-2022, 18:27
My understanding is that US Special Forces were the ones that trained the Ukraine Armed Forces after the loss of Crimea. That was years ago. And that explains the success against Ivan. I think after the withdrawal of the Rus forces that Special Forces will go in again and do what they do.
But will the Ukrainian women and young people still be standing in front of Russian tanks after Russia withdrawals?
BushMasterBoy
03-25-2022, 18:43
I don't know about that. I believe after it is over, the SF will go in and gather data. It is obvious they were there before and will be there again. All this information will be fed into a giant computer and war gamed ad nauseum.
As far as the resolve of the common Ukraine citizen, I have no clue.
I don't think that even Joe knows what the fuck comes out of his mouth.
I don't think that even Joe knows what the fuck comes out of his mouth.
+10
And it's not senility, although he is old.
He was this way since the first time he ran for president what, four decades ago?
ruthabagah
03-26-2022, 07:42
I just flew back from France where I spent 2 days volunteering as an interpreter to help the Ukrainian refugees. This was not the plan, I just couldn’t stay on the sidelines when I saw the long lines of refugees. 90% of them are Slavic, roughly 10% are Muslims from the southern part of Ukraine. I saw a few men of military age, they are either unfit for service, or just a like a guy i helped, the only one caring for his childrens after his wife was killed in irpin…. Russians are killing, looting and pretty much carpet bombing anything in sight. People have been shot in their car, their apartment, even the ones displaying a Russian flag on their balcony in Mariupol….
Dont’ trust the US media on anything, this is way worse than what they are showing you. If you want the real news coverage, turn to the BBC, France24 (in English) or DW. Their coverage is spot on and balanced.
I heard from reliable sources that French Legionaires have been given a free pass to go help train and fight over there… They are the perfect soldiers for the job, since most of them potentially carry foreign passports and can offer full deniability in case they get caught….
eddiememphis
03-26-2022, 08:32
I don't think that even Joe knows what the fuck comes out of his mouth.
Agreed.
This grifter has been on all sides of every issue since the 70's.
Actually, before that. He was accused of plagiarism several times, including in law school in the 60's.
His lies are well documented and provably false.
He will say and do almost anything to advance his favorite cause- himself.
Agreed.
This grifter has been on all sides of every issue since the 70's.
Actually, before that. He was accused of plagiarism several times, including in law school in the 60's.
His lies are well documented and provably false.
He will say and do almost anything to advance his favorite cause- himself.
Like!
VolksDragon
03-26-2022, 17:04
I don't think that even Joe knows what the fuck comes out of his mouth.
Accurate. We desperately need to restructure how many potatoes are in office. Good lord.
Aloha_Shooter
03-26-2022, 18:58
Agreed.
This grifter has been on all sides of every issue since the 70's.
Actually, before that. He was accused of plagiarism several times, including in law school in the 60's.
His lies are well documented and provably false.
He will say and do almost anything to advance his favorite cause- himself.
Not all sides. Robert Gates -- who I do NOT respect as I think he was a horrible DCI, terrible SecDef, and obnoxiously bad President of Scouting -- said Biden was on the wrong side of every major national security issue for the last 50 years.
As my daddy would have said, "Biden is as useless as teats on a boar hog".
I wish I'd recorded all my daddy's "sayings", he had some good'uns, timeless and true. One of my faves - "boy, you need that like you need another tit....."
+10
And it's not senility, although he is old.
He was this way since the first time he ran for president what, four decades ago?
...and the plan up to now was to keep Joe away from any microphones. Unfortunately, he's been promoted to the point that this is no longer possible.
eddiememphis
03-27-2022, 08:24
...and the plan up to now was to keep Joe away from any microphones. Unfortunately, he's been promoted to the point that this is no longer possible.
Unfortunately, the vapid dolt that is the VP is no better on mike, with her uncomfortable cackle and no idea about anything.
He did it again yesterday, saying Putin has got to go which sent his administration and pundits scrambling to explain what he meant.
Remember way back, during the campaign when the left was saying to elect this duo so the adults would be back in charge?
DeSantis '24
Mick-Boy
03-27-2022, 08:54
I would encourage anyone needing some context to listen to Scott Horton's speech from earlier this month. If you have any patriotism in you, it's going to sting. For those of us that spent a bunch of time in Africa, Iraq, and Afghanistan fighting the GWOT, it has some very tough pills to swallow... But I can't find any *factual* errors... Which makes it bite even deeper.
https://tomwoods.com/ep-2078-russia-and-ukraine-the-essential-backgrounder/
RblDiver
03-27-2022, 15:46
Whelp, looks like Ukrainians are now shooting Russian POWs in the legs. https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/1507975846384082945
Haven't seen the slanted feed, but I don't doubt the veracity of it. Because I know what war is.
Saying there is an instance or a handful where a Ukrainian defender shot a POW is like saying a river is wet and acting like it's new info.
I suppose Russia should take over the US, because some of our soldiers have done far, far worse before, we better have the commies come in and de-nazify us too.
And we did it while we were INVADING other countries, not DEFENDING ourselves. We did it on occasion, just because, the rare sociopath in the military getting their rocks off, not because we saw our families killed by artillery and indiscriminate rocket fire. At best, we did it because our fellow soldiers had been killed around us. Over there, they've had their fucking infants killed. Neighbors, parents, siblings, spouses killed. That does have a tendency to inspire a level of vindictiveness we can't even begin to fathom, as no US born citizen alive has ever truly experienced this. Russians have not been abiding by Geneva, I can't say I'm all that concerned if they receive a taste of their own.
Ukrainians need a medal for the restraint they've exemplified so far. Fuck pro Russian communist sympathizers, wherever they may be. I was always opposed to McCarthy, but the country has flung so far the other way, and there is a virus spreading in the conservative party consuming soviet propaganda. Maybe he had a small point.
hollohas
04-03-2022, 08:30
Ukrainians aren't playing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10680875/Two-Russian-troops-dead-28-hospital-POISONED-laced-Ukrainian-buns.html
Two Russian soldiers have died and 28 are in hospital after being POISONED by pastry delicacies offered to them by civilians near besieged Kharkiv, according to the Ukraine Ministry of Defence
It comes after more than 500 Russian troops were hospitalised after drinking poisoned alcohol
BushMasterBoy
04-03-2022, 10:14
Russians are killing people in the village of Bucha who are obviously civilians. Many are shot in the back of their head while their hands are tied. Bodies are just left to rot in the street.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/03/europe/bucha-ukraine-civilian-deaths-intl/index.html
Bailey Guns
04-05-2022, 08:16
More and more EU countries expelling Soviet Russian diplomats. The longer this goes on the more isolated and desperate the Russians are going to get. That's not good for anybody. I'm actually concerned now this is going to escalate to the point NATO gets involved.
clodhopper
04-05-2022, 12:49
I'm actually concerned now this is going to escalate to the point NATO gets involved.
Well Biden is sure doing his damndest to get us in the fight. Dude needs to close his stupid trap.
Well Biden is sure doing his damndest to get us in the fight. Dude needs to close his stupid trap.
Close his stupid trap? Who? This rocket-surgeon here?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-biden-babbles-and-lies-about-being-18-wheeler-truck-driver-again
crashdown
04-05-2022, 14:37
So this one time when I was a kid, I got to go to the cockpit of a plane we were boarding and the pilot gave me a plastic wings pin to wear, so yea I was a pilot but it’s a long story I won’t get into now.
theGinsue
04-05-2022, 17:23
Well Biden is sure doing his damndest to get us in the fight. Dude needs to close his stupid trap.
No, no, no. Don't you know, the only U.S. President to run their mouth was that guy Trump? At least, that's what we're repeatedly told.
President Alzheimer is a diversion. NATO is as fully involved as it can be with it's minimized footprint. World War III is already here. It's down to who will produce the most effective war materials in the shortest amount of time. And, who's ready to recognize and push all the buttons when the time comes. That's beyond what we can control but are you and your family ready?
Great-Kazoo
04-05-2022, 22:10
Russians are killing people in the village of Bucha who are obviously civilians. Many are shot in the back of their head while their hands are tied. Bodies are just left to rot in the street.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/03/europe/bucha-ukraine-civilian-deaths-intl/index.html
Did they do it, that's the question.
While i would not put it past them to do so. It seems too convenient, that this happened.
I was a molybdenum miner!
Long Story; I got to ride in the jump seat of a mine dumper truck for a few laps around the inside of Henderson mine.
No doubt on my end that the Russians did it. Fuck Putin and all his supporters, my hate for him/his evil empire knows no bounds. I hope the rumors of him having cancer are true and that he suffers a slow painful death.
BushMasterBoy
04-06-2022, 11:10
United States Space Force received a 40% increase in the budget allocation.
There is a Space Symposium going on at the Broadmoor Hotel right now. They will have some really interesting exhibits on display to the public. If you are interested in space technology, it really is a must see and it is a free admission. Best place to park is in the multistory car park and get a valet in a golf cart to take you the entrance.
https://www.spacesymposium.org/ (https://www.spacesymposium.org/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9uFNvZ5FqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKRC2Tyg0bE
Aloha_Shooter
04-07-2022, 22:29
Did they do it, that's the question.
While i would not put it past them to do so. It seems too convenient, that this happened.
It's consistent with behavior from the Russian Army going back decades and I can't see the Ukrainians doing this to their own people, especially when they are winning the propaganda war without false flag atrocities. Consistent, not convenient.
It is even confirmed with satellite telemetry. The bodies were there with the russians. Russians moved out, bodies photographed correlate with locations on telemetry. But nevertheless, some gravitate towards believing the virtually impossible / fabricate conspiracies instead of having to acknowledge that both sides of the isle could actually agree on something.
<MADDOG>
04-11-2022, 18:06
...especially when they are winning the propaganda war without false flag atrocities..
T72's going turtle, Chechens yelling "alla snackbar", fine girls with brand new camo on twitter stating "death to orcs", and the PM of Britain walking around Kiev with Zelenskyy waving to people who aren't there...
Let us say they are losing the "propaganda" war on twitter, but what are the Russian objectives?
I do not think the Russians are "losing" per say. I think what we "see" says they are, and the majority of Americans do not understand what the Russian objective is...
My $.02
BushMasterBoy
04-11-2022, 18:15
My two cents is this war is for the military-industrial complex to use new weapons and tactics in a real life scenario. Some of the high tech small weapons such as the "Switchblade" are producing impressive results. The latest news is that the Rus are bringing out the "retired reserve" to help replace the conscripted losses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AeroVironment_Switchblade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxIMl68s0ps
Aloha_Shooter
04-12-2022, 09:37
T72's going turtle, Chechens yelling "alla snackbar", fine girls with brand new camo on twitter stating "death to orcs", and the PM of Britain walking around Kiev with Zelenskyy waving to people who aren't there...
Let us say they are losing the "propaganda" war on twitter, but what are the Russian objectives?
I do not think the Russians are "losing" per say. I think what we "see" says they are, and the majority of Americans do not understand what the Russian objective is...
My $.02
1. I did say the propaganda war. Propaganda is the ONLY reason to do a false flag operation and just makes no sense in this particular case.
2. The Russian objective pretty clearly seems to have been to take Kyiv so they could install a new puppet government in roughly 3 days, no more than a week because their logistics only supported 4-5 days of operations. They have pretty clearly failed in that objective.
3. I'm all ears (or eyes since this is a text-based bulletin board) if you have an idea of what a Russian objective might have been that involves losing as many senior commanders and tanks as they have and that stretches combat operations out for over month but still means they are winning. They might still win this out since the Ukrainian reserves must be stretched pretty thin but the very fact that Ukraine is still standing as an independent country at this point in time suggests Russia is losing this big time.
Wolverines!!
https://www.military.com/off-duty/movies/2022/04/26/wolverines-how-1984-classic-red-dawn-inspired-ukraine-resistance-fighters.html
Martinjmpr
04-28-2022, 10:41
1. I did say the propaganda war. Propaganda is the ONLY reason to do a false flag operation and just makes no sense in this particular case.
2. The Russian objective pretty clearly seems to have been to take Kyiv so they could install a new puppet government in roughly 3 days, no more than a week because their logistics only supported 4-5 days of operations. They have pretty clearly failed in that objective.
3. I'm all ears (or eyes since this is a text-based bulletin board) if you have an idea of what a Russian objective might have been that involves losing as many senior commanders and tanks as they have and that stretches combat operations out for over month but still means they are winning. They might still win this out since the Ukrainian reserves must be stretched pretty thin but the very fact that Ukraine is still standing as an independent country at this point in time suggests Russia is losing this big time.
I think Russia achieves its overall strategic objective if Ukraine is beaten bloody to the point where they don't even consider joining NATO and have a more-or-less compliant government that is willing to do Russia's bidding.
EDITED TO ADD: And Ukraine's beating down also serves as a warning to any other smaller, vulnerable nations that might want to try and shore up an alliance with NATO. The not-so-subtle message being: You can't count on NATO to save you so you better do what we want. I'm thinking of Moldova and possibly Belarus (although AFAIK Belarus is a near-dictatorship run by a Putin-loving leader, to the extent that Belarusian units have been participating in the Ukraine invasion. But that might not always be the case.)
However I would also say that level of resolve is personal to Putin himself. After he shuffles off this mortal coil, Ukraine could throw its hand in with NATO, on the premise that the new ruler of Russia isn't likely to be as emotionally invested in beating down Ukraine as Putin was.
Martinjmpr
04-28-2022, 10:46
Continuing my thought: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia - the "Baltic Republics" that were once a very important part of Russia's "buffer" against the West - are now in NATO, as are Poland and Hungary.
So, as much of an asshole as Putin is, he doesn't seem to be willing to cross the NATO line.
Aloha_Shooter
04-29-2022, 17:15
"Ukraine's beating down" ???? You mean how he lost about a quarter of his total armored forces and nearly 22,000 troops so far? You say they achieve their strategic objective if Ukraine doesn't even consider joining NATO but they offered that early in the attack and Russia persisted. It's pretty clear to me and others that their strategic objective was to take Kyiv and install a puppet government like they have in Belarus. They have failed to do that despite 2 months of "military action". If you look at the logistics the Russian forces had lined up, they had very clearly thought they'd be in Kyiv in 2-3 days, 5 on the outside.
This "beat down" you reference has Sweden and Switzerland openly and seriously considering joining NATO -- something that wasn't even a theoretical possibility 3 months ago.
It's one thing to question how much risk or expense America should take in supporting Ukraine. The fact they are even raising the threat of nuclear weapons shows how desperate they are regardless of whether you take their threat seriously. It's a whole other thing (and frankly delusional in my opinion) to claim the Russians aren't losing given the losses they have suffered so far.
I like those observations. That would be logical, most likely, and what someone of sound mind would conclude.
But as the saying goes, find all possibilities, eliminate the most likely, and what remains utterly impossible is probably true. So, it's probably Pfizer that started the war, honestly. To distract everyone from bad press so they won't notice the next vaccine they are delivering has a chip that'll send everyone's thoughts to Google for improved product ads.
It's not like the Russians have been trying to cram propaganda down captured Ukrainians gullets to the effect that "Ukraine never existed, it was always Russia". And it's not like they have plans to take over Maldova. We don't know what they are doing, the Russians probably have the worlds best interests at heart and simply want to kill Nazi's and bring the world into balance out of the goodness of their little, blessed, commie hearts.
and what remains utterly impossible is probably true. <<SNIP>> they are delivering has a chip that'll send everyone's thoughts to Google for improved product ads.
Do you not think google is not working on something like that? Why did you put that as utterly impossible?
Bailey Guns
05-02-2022, 12:30
Ukraine has suffered terribly. But if Ukraine was 'beaten down', what would you call the price Russia paid to administer that beating? I'd call it a disaster...militarily and otherwise.
Russia had their bluff called and they've been revealed as a paper tiger. They're pretty good at killing civilians and blowing up apartment buildings.
Would be a shame if something happened to Putin during his cancer surgery.
Russia had their bluff called and they've been revealed as a paper tiger. They're pretty good at killing civilians and blowing up apartment buildings.
Would be a shame if something happened to Putin during his cancer surgery.
They wouldn't want to go up against a trained / equipped Western military.
Of course that is probably why they are threatening nukes. Now that the West has seen how good the Russian military is in a conventional fight, nukes are their only deterrent.
And here we thought a group of kids from Calumet Colorado taking out the Russian military was fantasy....who knew how correct that movie was...
eddiememphis
05-02-2022, 18:25
I have yet to hear a compelling reason to side with Ukraine.
A poster on another thread showed the mineral wealth available to whoever controls the region.
I understand preventing your so-called enemy from controlling mineral wealth in order to keep them from becoming stronger. However, Russia has shown that they are very inept at maximizing the existing mineral wealth they have.
This has already turned into a proxy war. Pelosi and her sycophants vowing allegiance with the current government in Ukraine does nothing but further in flame existing animosity between United States and Russia.
What is the tangible benefit of the United States backing Ukraine?
Corruption in Ukraine goes way back. You can't put everything at the feet of the current government, as their intention to cleanup corruption was interrupted by OUR politicians on both sides of the aisle.
I have to go with the supporting the invadees over the invaders. What just purpose is Putin resolving by invading? They're simply killing civilians and looting everything they can.
How does making Russia stronger help us? Why should we help finance their military build-up?
I also have to think that if every other nation gave us the cold shoulder trying to fight a much bigger military power for our own independence, where would we be?
Bailey Guns
05-02-2022, 21:35
I have yet to hear a compelling reason to side with Ukraine.
They're fighting the Russians. They're doing a damn good job of making a very large part of the Russian army combat ineffective for several years. And they're not doing too badly against the Russian air force, either. That's a compelling reason. That's about as far as I'll go to defend Ukraine other than to say they have every right to kick the dogshit outta the Russians once the Russians crossed the border, regardless of how corrupt the Ukrainian gov't is. Having a seriously weakened Russian army and air force is a huge benefit to the US.
BushMasterBoy
05-02-2022, 22:52
This video is on the basics of the Javelin missile. Bunch of SF's with SATCOM, GPS, ATV's and they stopped the Russian Army!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUdHzKRiBX8
The other thing I'll throw into this is that we signed a treaty to protect Ukraine in exchange for them giving up their Soviet nukes. If Russia knew they could be glowing in the dark by going after Ukraine, they wouldn't have pulled the crap that they have.
In hindsight, Ukraine is probably figuring out they should have never done that, because they've taken significant losses and our assistance has been half-assed with previous Russian incursions allowed to happen without consequence. The message we sent with that ham-handed cluster was that in any future negotiation with any similar country, there's no way they'd take the same deal.
OtterbatHellcat
05-05-2022, 23:39
Truth.
RblDiver
05-06-2022, 12:12
The other thing I'll throw into this is that we signed a treaty to protect Ukraine in exchange for them giving up their Soviet nukes. If Russia knew they could be glowing in the dark by going after Ukraine, they wouldn't have pulled the crap that they have.
In hindsight, Ukraine is probably figuring out they should have never done that, because they've taken significant losses and our assistance has been half-assed with previous Russian incursions allowed to happen without consequence. The message we sent with that ham-handed cluster was that in any future negotiation with any similar country, there's no way they'd take the same deal.
That was the only reason I was somewhat in favor of joining the fight, because we needed to show the US stands behind our promises. However, Obama shot that to hell years ago, and now Biden's just finishing it up. At this point, I'd rather stay out of it entirely.
BushMasterBoy
05-06-2022, 12:54
Latest recruitment video for the US Army. Kind of spooky?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw
.455_Hunter
05-06-2022, 13:17
Latest recruitment video for the US Army. Kind of spooky?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw
I am guessing a different ad agency than the one who did the "Heather has two mommies" spiel from last year?
bellavite1
05-06-2022, 15:55
I like it!
A lot!
Seems they're just advertising what has been going on all along. We now have more influence available with the technology and gullibility of the dumbed down human.
PsyOps is all over the place, militarily, socially, politically, religiously…. It’s ubiquitous and most are naive to its impact on their own lives.
Great-Kazoo
05-06-2022, 20:30
Is this still going on? Thought the latest was a resurgence of another covid variant. At least it's giving the russia/ Ukraine headlines competition. Then again the media's been pushing bidens Maga people are extremist line. 1 among the many stories.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-attacks-maga-fans-as-extremists/ar-AAWXT7g
PsyOps is all over the place, militarily, socially, politically, religiously…. It’s ubiquitous and most are naive to its impact on their own lives.
It's called "marketing". [Coffee]
Great-Kazoo
05-06-2022, 23:30
It's called "marketing". [Coffee]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2_snSkpULQ
Aloha_Shooter
05-07-2022, 09:38
I have yet to hear a compelling reason to side with Ukraine.
You have to be intentionally blocking things if you haven't heard a compelling reason. Just because the morons on the left have been forced into supporting the right position for a change (albeit half-heartedly because their hearts lie with Marxism and authoritarianism no matter what they say) is no reason to be reflexively against whatever they say they support. This kind of response reminds me of the five year old with hands over his ears chanting loudly and repetitively, "I can't hear you".
It's fair to question direct intervention like enforcing a "no fly" zone with US planes and pilots but that's a different (if related) issue. Do you hold your breath because Barack Obama likes to breathe?
JohnnyDrama
05-07-2022, 14:07
Latest recruitment video for the US Army. Kind of spooky?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw
Yep. Spooky.
The army recruiter wanted to sign me up and get me into computers. This was in the 80s when people with computer experience were few and far between. That didn't sound like much fun. I wanted to blow stuff up.
Semper Fi!
Seamonkey
05-07-2022, 15:15
Retired Four Star General David H. Petraeus on Radio Free Ukraine
David H. Petraeus, Director of the CIA (2011-2012): (ukrinform.net) (https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3475424-david-h-petraeus-director-of-the-cia-20112012.html)
Radio Free Ukraine is humbled and honored to have helped bring the advice and wisdom of Retired Four Star General David H. Petraeus to the people of Ukraine.
We asked General Petraeus to speak directly to the Ukrainian people based on his 37 years as a professional soldier, as a commander of men from an infantry platoon to all Allied forces in combat. No other commander on earth has more experience with modern warfighting and the global dynamics of war better than General Petraeus. The General knows the Russian military well, and studied them from his days at West Point in the 1970s until today, literally, not figuratively.
Tactics, techniques and procedures (TTPs) of Modern Warfare continue to evolve by the minute. The General says exactly what he thinks about the Ukrainian people, and exactly what he thinks about the Russian military. His words are unfiltered and his insights are actionable, not theoretical. Profound advice given directly to the Ukrainian people, and secondarily the world.
We are also honored to help Ukrinform in their ongoing commitment to speaking TRUTH to power. Radio Free Ukraine is an all volunteer independent grassroots network, and receives no financial support from any source; nor is affiliated with any government, corporation or NGO. We are simply volunteers inside Ukraine and on multiple continents, who understand that if Ukraine loses, the entire world loses. Ukraine will win, and the world is getting a lesson in courage and absolute resolve as stated by General Petraeus.
Stay tuned for a series of five videos from the interview in Ukrainian, English and Russian language on our YouTube channel and to be shared with Ukrainian people from our friends at Ukrinform media.
Sl?va Ukray?ni!
I have to admit it's amazing and a bit scary what Ukraine has been able to do with commercial drones and military ammunition.
Fire in the hole!
http://youtu.be/DA8ZHmAcLuU
all flown by the ghost of kyiv.
Ukraine propaganda berry berry good. oooh look squirrel!
I have to admit it's amazing and a bit scary what Ukraine has been able to do with commercial drones and military ammunition.
Fire in the hole!
http://youtu.be/DA8ZHmAcLuU
That was pretty amazing to see it go into the sunroof.
JohnnyDrama
05-08-2022, 10:33
one of the guys I was in the Corps with in the 90s was from Cortez, but his name was not Johhny Drama.
I didn't go by Johnny Drama then either. My release from active duty was in December 88. There are quite a few Marine vets around here though.
eddiememphis
06-15-2022, 17:41
I have yet to hear a compelling reason to side with Ukraine.
What is the tangible benefit of the United States backing Ukraine?
https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2022/06/15/us-sending-ukraine-new-1-billion-arms-package-amid-grinding-donbas-fight/
Another billion dollars today.
What is the US gaining by sending all this money? It is not a loan. It is not an investment.
How much have other NATO countries contributed?
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_192648.htm
NATO condemns in the strongest possible terms Russia's brutal and unprovoked war against Ukraine - which is an independent, peaceful and democratic country, and a close NATO partner. The Alliance calls on President Putin to stop this war immediately, withdraw all his forces from Ukraine and engage in genuine diplomacy.
Thanks, guys.
hollohas
06-15-2022, 18:59
Not investing it in us, that's for sure. I'm so sick of our government screwing us.
ruthabagah
06-15-2022, 19:05
https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2022/06/15/us-sending-ukraine-new-1-billion-arms-package-amid-grinding-donbas-fight/
Another billion dollars today.
What is the US gaining by sending all this money? It is not a loan. It is not an investment.
How much have other NATO countries contributed?
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_192648.htm
NATO condemns in the strongest possible terms Russia's brutal and unprovoked war against Ukraine - which is an independent, peaceful and democratic country, and a close NATO partner. The Alliance calls on President Putin to stop this war immediately, withdraw all his forces from Ukraine and engage in genuine diplomacy.
Thanks, guys.
They contributed 3.8b euro since February. Either in weapons, humanitarian help, taking in refugees, and pledges for the reconstruction.
This is a war by proxy against Russia and we need to win it, so that we get rid of Putin and send a clear warning to china that the world can be united against bullies. We have a once in history opportunity to force a major political change in Russia… this is priceless.
hollohas
06-15-2022, 19:20
Putin is going to die soon anyway, I don't see how spending fortunes and screwing our economy even further is better for us than waiting him out.
And Ukraine isn't going to win no matter how much money we spend. So to that end it's a waste anyway.
And BTW, lots of that money is buying Ukrainian important people new mansions in other countries where they can escape to. It's not directly helping the war by any means.
Great-Kazoo
06-15-2022, 19:58
This is a war by proxy against Russia and we need to win it, so that we get rid of Putin and send a clear warning to china that the world can be united against bullies. We have a once in history opportunity to force a major political change in Russia… this is priceless.
Based on how ineffective we were for the first 2 weeks. I doubt Chi-Na is worried what our, or the worlds, response would be. Once they're on the island. They sure as ^&* ain't leaving .
ruthabagah
06-15-2022, 20:17
Putin is going to die soon anyway, I don't see how spending fortunes and screwing our economy even further is better for us than waiting him out.
And Ukraine isn't going to win no matter how much money we spend. So to that end it's a waste anyway.
And BTW, lots of that money is buying Ukrainian important people new mansions in other countries where they can escape to. It's not directly helping the war by any means.
Funny, it’s like reading the FSB propaganda manual or the America First party statements before ww2… Let Putin win and the next target will be your backyard. Russia will run out of ordnance by July. It’s a war of attrition, and ultimately Ukraine will prevail. We need to stay the course and win this one.
ruthabagah
06-15-2022, 20:21
Based on how ineffective we were for the first 2 weeks. I doubt Chi-Na is worried what our, or the worlds, response would be. Once they're on the island. They sure as ^&* ain't leaving .
Except they won?t get there? if Russia can?t roll into Ukraine how do you think china is going to land in Taiwan? Their military is even more corrupted than the Russian one? Their tanks are not maintained and their troop have low morale. Now, they are watching and learning from the Ukraine war. Not a good thing.
hollohas
06-15-2022, 21:01
Russia will run out of ordnance by July. It?s a war of attrition, and ultimately Ukraine will prevail. We need to stay the course and win this one.
I'm not so sure. Russia is taking heavy losses for sure. And it's awful good to see how ineffective they truly are. However, they're still going to take much of Ukraine. And they're going to learn A LOT while doing it. They WERE ineffective, but they won't be when Ukraine is decided. It's a training ground for them and their military industrial complex is ramping up to keep them in it too. I'd prefer they stayed the old, drunk, rusted, ineffective and overrated military they were. I'd rather we weren't helping them learn how to fight again making them better for when they come at us.
PS - and them fighting against our weapons is only going to help them learn how to defend against them.
Great-Kazoo
06-15-2022, 23:39
I'm not so sure. Russia is taking heavy losses for sure. And it's awful good to see how ineffective they truly are. However, they're still going to take much of Ukraine. And they're going to learn A LOT while doing it. They WERE ineffective, but they won't be when Ukraine is decided. It's a training ground for them and their military industrial complex is ramping up to keep them in it too. I'd prefer they stayed the old, drunk, rusted, ineffective and overrated military they were. I'd rather we weren't helping them learn how to fight again making them better for when they come at us.
PS - and them fighting against our weapons is only going to help them learn how to defend against them.
My tinfoil hat says the entire "conflict" was the only way russia & chi-na could gain access to US .mil hardware. Other than industrial espionage, which carries long prison terms, or death. This way, every (ok) almost every western power has been sending them current, or last gen hardware.
theGinsue
06-16-2022, 06:02
I side with the Ukraine. They haven't been hitting our site like the Russians have been. Just this morning I had to block almost 200k IP's and delete near 100 new Russian span accounts that were created since last night. F Russia!
Aloha_Shooter
06-17-2022, 10:15
Funny, it’s like reading the FSB propaganda manual or the America First party statements before ww2… Let Putin win and the next target will be your backyard. Russia will run out of ordnance by July. It’s a war of attrition, and ultimately Ukraine will prevail. We need to stay the course and win this one.
The big difference is that the American public didn't have good information on what was really going on in Germany in 1939 and 1940. The America First party were largely peple who had been scarred or seen family members and friends scarred by the first World War and didn't want to see America spending blood and treasure in another fruitless European conflict. That's compared to our full knowledge of how Putin has continued to push the boundaries as he has been allowed to have his way with just seizing Crimea, murdering political enemies, etc. Lindbergh went from pushing for isolationism with the America First party to fully supporting the war efforts and actually risking his life on combat missions (illicitly) to help the American Pacific forces eke more performance from their aircraft.
Trump spent more in 4 years than any other US president, ever. Isn't the concern over 50 billion and the blind eye towards 7 trillion (Trump deficit increased ~140 times as much) kind of hypocritical?
Note too that T was spending more than historical presidents even before the pandemic. He loved those stimulus checks so much he wanted to brand them with his name and letterhead.
If people want to bitch about spending, I am 100% on board. Above all else I am a fiscal conservative. Just don't complain about the neighbors spending $2,000 on an ATV while you're behind on payments for your $350,000 yacht while working a 60k/year job. (USA analogy).
Also bear in mind he promised to "pay the national debt off". Can we run an actual conservative for 2024?
Truth be told too, Russia is a country with a lot of land but most of it inhospital. They have been decreasing in pop since the 1990s. Ignoring Ukraine is to give the soviets a breadbasket and resources to once again become a real threat. Stop then in Ukraine and Russia will die off on its own accord. China is the bigger problem, but enemies are must easier to handle when you don't ignore them. Ignore Russia and the future would have a united RU and CH front that would make WW2 pale in comparison. Kick their ass now, and China stands alone, containable, with a possibility that things never come down to a contest of arms.
eddiememphis
06-18-2022, 19:06
Trump spent more in 4 years than any other US president, ever. Isn't the concern over 50 billion and the blind eye towards 7 trillion (Trump deficit increased ~140 times as much) kind of hypocritical?
Can we run an actual conservative for 2024?
7T versus 50b isn't an accurate comparison. Total spending versus unique foreign policy action.
However, I agree, President Trump showed no fiscal responsibility. His fans never seem to acknowledge that.
Regarding an "actual conservative", the likely answer to your question is no. There are no true conservatives on the national scene, fiscal or social.
hollohas
06-19-2022, 07:41
Trump spent more in 4 years than any other US president, ever. Isn't the concern over 50 billion and the blind eye towards 7 trillion (Trump deficit increased ~140 times as much) kind of hypocritical?
You sound exactly like a CNN fact check. Comparing total spending to just Ukrainian aid spending (which is actually more the $50B).
The Trump era spending was a major problem, no doubt. (And arguably his biggest flaw as a president). But that's completely off topic when discussing if we should be involved in Ukraine.
"We shouldn't be spending money in Ukraine"
"Well, the other guy spent a bunch of money on things too, so stop complaining".
Pro level argument there. Not one person here has argued that Trump spending= good, Biden spending = bad.
If you must compare the two, be sure to include Biden's $1.9T American Rescue plan at minimum.
eddiememphis
08-23-2022, 18:46
I have yet to hear a compelling reason to side with Ukraine.
A poster on another thread showed the mineral wealth available to whoever controls the region.
I understand preventing your so-called enemy from controlling mineral wealth in order to keep them from becoming stronger. However, Russia has shown that they are very inept at maximizing the existing mineral wealth they have.
This has already turned into a proxy war. Pelosi and her sycophants vowing allegiance with the current government in Ukraine does nothing but further in flame existing animosity between United States and Russia.
What is the tangible benefit of the United States backing Ukraine?
As more money is tossed as this nonsense, I am still waiting to hear a good reason for this spending.
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2022/08/us-expected-announce-3b-more-arms-aid-ukraine-independence-day/376213/
"The U.S. is expected to announce the largest weapons and aid package yet for Ukraine on Wednesday, a $3 billion package that would push total U.S. aid well past the annual budgets of at least eight federal programs, including the entire judicial branch."
"That total is more than the annual budget of some federal programs, such as the National Science Foundation ($9.2 billion) and the Small Business Administration ($1.7 billion), according to Statista. It is larger than the annual budgets of the federal judiciary ($9.7 billion), Congress ($6.6 billion), or the Executive Office of the President ($0.6 billion). It is creeping up on the budgets of the Environmental Protection Agency ($15.9 billion), if not NASA ($24.9 billion)."
BushMasterBoy
08-23-2022, 21:02
Only way you can test our weapons systems in the real world/time. Especially against a known adversary. The value is in the unknowns becoming known, without a tragic loss of US troops. The conflict also becomes a huge intelligence treasure trove. We get to see an adversary use all sorts of systems and glean data from them. My understanding is we spent 7 trillion on the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts.
BushMasterBoy
09-22-2022, 15:15
Russia is calling up 300,000 military reservists and drafting military age men. Flights out of Moscow are sold out. Putin is threatening the use of nuclear weapons. People are protesting in the streets and being arrested. Seems the Rus plan is to escalate the Ukraine situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg_MaA7qbvU
hollohas
09-22-2022, 15:35
Russian men got 4 hours notice to pack their shit and get on a bus to go fight.
That doesn't sound good.
Wonder if they're going to have to share rifles too like in the past.
Sharing 100 year old Mosins.
I know a few days ago the web search engines in Russia were showing the leading subject was 'how to leave Russia'.
The Russians are also recruiting from prisons. The problem is, they're sending these people to the front lines with no training. The Ukrainians, whom have had training in Western doctrine and are using modern western weapons, have been killing lots of them. The people being forced to go fight Ukraine may find it more survivable to fight their own government.
Great-Kazoo
09-22-2022, 21:28
Sharing 100 year old Mosins.
I know a few days ago the web search engines in Russia were showing the leading subject was 'how to leave Russia'.
The Russians are also recruiting from prisons. The problem is, they're sending these people to the front lines with no training. The Ukrainians, whom have had training in Western doctrine and are using modern western weapons, have been killing lots of them. The people being forced to go fight Ukraine may find it more survivable to fight their own government.
Or reconnect with their former crime element and get back to business.
Aloha_Shooter
09-24-2022, 10:44
Putin seems headed toward recreating the 1905 revolution. The Russian people want a strong leader but I don't think they want national suicide. He's already got significant protests in country from the mothers of the soldiers who were sent to Ukraine as it is and there's a point where the Army is not going to turn their rifles on their own mothers or their comrades' mothers.
BushMasterBoy
09-24-2022, 12:37
Even if Putin uses a nuclear weapon against the Ukrainian capital, I don't think that will capitulate in a surrender. If anything it will increase the resolve of NATO support for Ukraine. Deploying F-16's to Pueblo is telling me something is going on. It is obvious the CINC is not capable if we go to DEFCON 1
https://www.chieftain.com/story/news/2022/09/23/heres-why-fighter-jets-are-flying-over-pueblo-in-late-september-2022-air-national-guard/69511782007/
https://youtu.be/VXkGBNDVAH8
Russia and Ukraine is NOT our fight. That said, the rabid anti Russian crowds roar is deafening. Read up on how people that lived in America payed for the 1917 Revolution. Up until that point, Russia was one of the greatest Allies America ever had. The amount of Money that was pumped into the USSR to keep it afloat for as long as it did only allowed for the continuation of the evils of Communism.
WW2 almost sealed the deal, if Patton had been given free reign we might have avoided much bloodshed in the latter half of the 20th century. After WW2, slowly the Russian People and other Eastern European Nations began picking the locks on attached to their chains of slavery and started going their own way, this caused great concern by those looking to Capitalize on chaos and human suffering, who wished for nothing more than International Communism.
The American think tanks, (I use that term ever so loosely), that were and still are seeking to conquer and divide Russia into several different smaller corporations and eliminate the Russian National identity are the ones that created the 2014 Coup, propped up the Non-Ukrainian Gay Actor known as Zelensky, and started this mess in the first place. If those same people want to volunteer their time and efforts into doing human wave attacks against Russian machine guns, let them, but not me or mine.
If you have not figured out that foreign wars and entanglements are bad yet, go re-read Washingtons farewell address, the Monroe doctrine, and the Not Yours To Give Crockett letter.
To recap, Russia ceased to be communist quite awhile ago. The Warsaw Pact ceased to exist, yet NATO was made larger, stronger, and cost more. Russia actually tried to join NATO, their rejection from membership of course demonstrated the ludicrousness of the situation. The American hatred of Russia is driven by insanity.
I've seen some videos shot by new Russian recruits of the AKs they were issued. Just watching them gave me Tetanus.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xmrx58/the_weapons_the_new_mobilized_recruits_are_getting/?context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xmmqkc/gun_quality_given_to_the_newly_mobilized_location/?context=3
hollohas
09-26-2022, 12:37
Seems like we're seeing that Russia's military isn't/wasn't ready for battle, let alone a major conflict. They are taking heavy losses and are running out of men and equipment.
So what's the result? Is this going to force whatever military industrial complex Russia has into gear, allowing it to hit its stride for a bigger conflict before everyone else? Or is this simply going to deplete them so deep that they won't be able to extend this into a more widespread war? Or does it force them to use the big weapons...?
BushMasterBoy
09-26-2022, 13:01
This drone tactic seems to control the battlefield. The FEBA (forward edge of battle area) is so fluid. In this video a repeater station of the Rus forces was detected and destroyed. The drones and coordinates are done using a tablet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhWDcUPV8Lc
When you are using nerve agent to kill civilian people outside your own country, you are evil. The Russian regime is evil. Putin has used nerve agent to disable political opponents. Same with nuclear weapons, if you use them against Ukraine, there is going to be a response from the west. Russia has a history of unusual tactics to silent dissent including ricin laced bullets and polonium poisoning. If you think the Russian regime is not planning to attack US people in the US, you are naive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/30105-usaf-wc-135w-nuclear-observation-europe
As if the Russian government was the only government to assassinate their rivals. Ever hear of Lincoln, Patton, JFK, or the Clintons?
BushMasterBoy
09-26-2022, 16:53
I was gonna say something, but somebody beat me to it...
Seems like we're seeing that Russia's military isn't/wasn't ready for battle, let alone a major conflict. They are taking heavy losses and are running out of men and equipment.
So what's the result? Is this going to force whatever military industrial complex Russia has into gear, allowing it to hit its stride for a bigger conflict before everyone else? Or is this simply going to deplete them so deep that they won't be able to extend this into a more widespread war? Or does it force them to use the big weapons...?
Russia needs technology for high-end weaponry, which they can't produce. They're currently buying drones from Iran of all places.
BushMasterBoy
09-26-2022, 18:18
Putin is a psychopath holed up in a billion dollar palace on the Black Sea. The official US stance is that if nuclear weapons are used, the US response will be catastrophic. I hope the ex KBG agent isn't considering using nuclear weapons. If a US city is attacked, you can kiss Moscow goodbye.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin%27s_Palace
eddiememphis
09-26-2022, 18:54
Putin is a psychopath holed up in a billion dollar palace on the Black Sea. The official US stance is that if nuclear weapons are used, the US response will be catastrophic. I hope the ex KBG agent isn't considering using nuclear weapons. If a US city is attacked, you can kiss Moscow goodbye.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin%27s_Palace
That would likely prove catastrophic for everyone.
There are assumed to be enough Putin loyalists that there is a very good chance of a Russian retaliatory strike and then we would have a global thermonuclear war.
Colorado Springs is a prime target but they have enough warheads to destroy every U.S. city with several nukes each.
There are 317 U.S. cities over 100K. The Russians have 6300 warheads. Not all would be shot at us, Russians have had many enemies over the years and they have long memories.
Regardless, if the hippies think climate change is bad now, wait until 6000 bombs go off- each one burning around 100 million degrees.
Not disagreeing with you, just correcting a slight point... the Russians *say* they have 6,300 nukes. Which would require consistent, extensive annual maintenance and costs to maintain... Nukes are not like conventional bombs that can sit in a warehouse for decades.
Point being, we don't know how many functioning nukes they have, but it's some small fraction of that. Still enough to cause impressive damage. If they haven't been maintaining everything else, it's not like their excessive inventory of nukes have had special treatment, especially since their intention is not to be used in the first place, but just to "exist" as a deterrent. And then there's all the Vlads injecting corruption into the mix.
If the world starts to end, I want to start a pool on how many viable nukes they have. I say... no more than 500.
BushMasterBoy
09-26-2022, 20:10
I think they are serious about using a nuclear option on Ukraine. It would probably be a cruise missile. The target would be Kiev.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-russia-catastrophic-consequences-firing-nuclear-weapons-ukraine-war-2022-9
hollohas
09-26-2022, 20:18
If the condition of their standard war equipment is any indication, I can't imagine all 6k nukes are doing so hot these days...
eddiememphis
09-26-2022, 20:41
Not disagreeing with you, just correcting a slight point... the Russians *say* they have 6,300 nukes. Which would require consistent, extensive annual maintenance and costs to maintain... Nukes are not like conventional bombs that can sit in a warehouse for decades.
Point being, we don't know how many functioning nukes they have, but it's some small fraction of that. Still enough to cause impressive damage. If they haven't been maintaining everything else, it's not like their excessive inventory of nukes have had special treatment, especially since their intention is not to be used in the first place, but just to "exist" as a deterrent. And then there's all the Vlads injecting corruption into the mix.
If the world starts to end, I want to start a pool on how many viable nukes they have. I say... no more than 500.
Maybe.
I would bet they spend more on maintaining them than they do on AKs. One tends to take better care of your top of the line equipment than pedestrian items.
hollohas
09-27-2022, 06:04
So far I'm unimpressed by Russia's capabilities. However, we're giving them tons of experience fighting some of our top weapons and they probably even have most of those weapons by now. They'll quickly learn methods to defeat those weapons and copy them to make their own. The WEF wants everyone on an even playing field, might as well start with war tech.
Not disagreeing with you, just correcting a slight point... the Russians *say* they have 6,300 nukes. Which would require consistent, extensive annual maintenance and costs to maintain... Nukes are not like conventional bombs that can sit in a warehouse for decades.
Point being, we don't know how many functioning nukes they have, but it's some small fraction of that. Still enough to cause impressive damage. If they haven't been maintaining everything else, it's not like their excessive inventory of nukes have had special treatment, especially since their intention is not to be used in the first place, but just to "exist" as a deterrent. And then there's all the Vlads injecting corruption into the mix.
If the world starts to end, I want to start a pool on how many viable nukes they have. I say... no more than 500.
This. Russia hasn't maintained much of what they have. Their conventional weapons are largely in disrepair due to neglect and poor maintenance.
hollohas
09-27-2022, 17:14
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1490792461979078662
Nordsteam pipe from Russia ruptured off Sweden causing 3000ft-wide bubbles and sending prices spiking (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11253841/Nord-Stream-pipelines-supplying-gas-Russia-suffer-unprecedented-damage-start-leaking.html)
BushMasterBoy
09-27-2022, 17:47
If you had an insider in the Kremlin, you could put calls on all these commodities and make a fortune in the market. Is that why the ruble is up since the start of the war? Maybe this is too embarrassing for Congress to investigate? They want to stick with the Jan. 6 debacle and it is pathetic.
eddiememphis
09-27-2022, 18:28
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1490792461979078662
Nordsteam pipe from Russia ruptured off Sweden causing 3000ft-wide bubbles and sending prices spiking (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11253841/Nord-Stream-pipelines-supplying-gas-Russia-suffer-unprecedented-damage-start-leaking.html)
This is interesting.
hollohas
09-27-2022, 18:49
It's the shit eating psychopath grin at the end that says it all.
Martinjmpr
09-28-2022, 08:12
WRT Russian nukes, two points:
First off, as FoxTart pointed out, a nuclear weapon isn't like a bayonet or a club that you can put on a shelf and then take it down when you need it. They require regular maintenance and that maintenance is very expensive (just one example, the neutron generators that initiate the chain reaction have a short half-life and have to be replaced every few years.) Given the Russian propensity for corruption, how many of the rubles that were set aside for "nuke maintenance" do you think have been diverted to pay for some Russian general's private dacha or so he could play on the stock market? I'm going to guess a LOT. And that's just the nukes. The delivery systems (ICBMs, Cruise missiles and aircraft) ALSO require regular maintenance, service and upgrades. Given what we've seen with the deplorable condition of equipment and training among the conventional forces in Ukraine is there any reason to believe the Russian strategic forces are in any better shape? If anything I'd expect them to be in worse shape because for the last 30 years nobody has really believed they'd have to be employed in any serious manner.
Second point, Putin may be ready to die for his vision of a greater Russia, but what about all of the generals, admirals and high ranking civilians who would have to be the ones to give the orders, push the buttons, and launch those nukes? Are THEY willing to see their families incinerated for Putin's glory? I doubt it.
I'm not whistling past the graveyard and saying things can't turn really bad really quickly, but I think the specter of the unstoppable Russian juggernaut has been pretty thoroughly debunked by their humiliation in Ukraine. And given the resistance we've seen to Putin's draft, I seriously doubt that the average Russian, soldier or civilian, is willing to see their families die to satisfy Putin's ego.
BushMasterBoy
09-28-2022, 09:57
The Rus Strategic Rocket Force is very capable and well funded. I was stationed in Western Europe. I had almost unlimited access. I worked PEN -AIDS (penetration aids) AKA electronic countermeasures.
If you think the Rus can not destroy the 20th largest cities in the US, I would say you are dreaming. Sure we can destroy a 100 of the largest cities in Russia. Trust me when I say, they do have a great and effective ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) force.
Just because the "Special Military Operation" in Ukraine is a huge failure does not mean a nuclear warhead on a missile cannot hit Kiev.
https://russianforces.org/current/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Rocket_Forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz-2#Soyuz-2.1b
wctriumph
09-28-2022, 13:10
Okay, the big conspiracy!
The war in Ukraine is being orchestrated by global elites to get rid of Putin so that they can get control of Russian natural resources. Why else are the corrupt politicians and governments supporting Ukraine to the tune of billions of dollars? Destroy his means of wealth and support. When push comes to shove, I believe that Putin will use limited yield nuclear weapons including giving them to proxy governments to target western countries without launching any ICBM’s. He can throw the world in to chaos with just a few hits. Target cities in Israel, UK, Germany, France, India, Japan, S. Korea, Mexico, USA, Canada, etc.. Not even all of these and probably not the USA.
BushMasterBoy
09-28-2022, 14:26
Space Force says we have plenty of resources for collection of intel. But it is analysis that make the final product.
https://www.defensenews.com/intel-geoint/2022/09/20/space-forces-gagnon-says-analysis-trumps-data-collection-for-intel/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dfn-space-report
eddiememphis
09-28-2022, 17:30
The Rus Strategic Rocket Force is very capable and well funded. I was stationed in Western Europe. I had almost unlimited access. I worked PEN -AIDS (penetration aids) AKA electronic countermeasures.
If you think the Rus can not destroy the 20th largest cities in the US, I would say you are dreaming. Sure we can destroy a 100 of the largest cities in Russia. Trust me when I say, they do have a great and effective ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) force.
Just because the "Special Military Operation" in Ukraine is a huge failure does not mean a nuclear warhead on a missile cannot hit Kiev.
As I stated earlier, you want to make sure your best weapons are ready to go. With a limited budget, are you going to buy several million cases of Hoppe's No. 9 to clean the bores of AKs after firing that horribly dirty ammo, or will you spend it on maintaining your arsenal of world ending weapons?
Put another way, if you have a Porsche and a Toyota in the garage and foresee the need to race in the immediate future, which one will receive the maintenance?
Someone else asked if there are enough Russians willing to ensure those weapons are deployed. I say, absolutely yes.
Their military is not likely to promote men that are not staunch nationalists.
BushMasterBoy
09-28-2022, 18:54
The real question is how good is the anti ballistic missile (ABM) system surrounding Moscow. The picture shows ABM's in hard underground shelters. I think the plan to protect Washington is navy frigates with an ABM system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-135_anti-ballistic_missile_system
91623
I understand a lot of side gigs, but there is a lot better jobs you could do other than whoring out for a Russian troll farm.
And if you're not being paid for pushing the Kremlin propaganda, you really should be.
Lots of different opinions in the world, yours is one of a tiny minority in this country that would pass the KGB's intelligence apparatus with a stamp of approval.
PS: You might want to throw away the polaroid photos you took a few decades back, they'll be incriminating someday.
What did I write that is untrue? It is easy to say it is propaganda without providing proof that they are lies, (not all propaganda is untrue). To insinuate that I am a traitor to my Nation for refusing to promote or go along with a majority opinion that I know is wrong should be beneath you. P.S. What Polaroid photos are you talking about?
Mick-Boy
10-02-2022, 22:48
The real question is how good is the anti ballistic missile (ABM) system surrounding Moscow. The picture shows ABM's in hard underground shelters. I think the plan to protect Washington is navy frigates with an ABM system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-135_anti-ballistic_missile_system
91623
Irrelevant. Mutually assured destruction was always just that. No one is going to make it out alive. That's why avoiding nuclear conflict needs to be priority number one. All else can fall in line. But if the US and Russia (or China) start killing each other, even at the tactical level, it will likely mean the end of civilization on earth as we know it.
BushMasterBoy
10-02-2022, 23:23
Irrelevant. Mutually assured destruction was always just that. No one is going to make it out alive. That's why avoiding nuclear conflict needs to be priority number one. All else can fall in line. But if the US and Russia (or China) start killing each other, even at the tactical level, it will likely mean the end of civilization on earth as we know it.
You really think it will kill everybody on the planet ? I highly doubt it. Mutually assured destruction of the nations capitals, but there will be survivors. Ukraine is holding off the invaders due to superior technology and training. General consensus is that if the Rus uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine, the US and NATO will respond by attacking any invaders in Ukraine.
Mick-Boy
10-02-2022, 23:56
Everyone on the planet? No. Every major city in all of the nuclear powers? Absolutely.
Let's follow your train of thought. Russia is put in a position where going nuclear is the only option left (no moral or ethical judgment attached, that's just where we find ourselves). They go nuclear at the tactical level (within Ukraine). US/NATO respond in kind. What happens next?
Both parties launch an all-out strike. This doctrine was well established during the cold war. I say again, civilization as we know it ends in nuclear fire (https://sgs.princeton.edu/the-lab/plan-a).
Joe Laitin reports that reporters at Bikini were questioning an army lieutenant about what weapons would be used in the next war.
"I dunno," he said, "but in the war after the next war, sure as Hell, they'll be using spears!"
BushMasterBoy
10-03-2022, 01:02
"Mutually Assured Destruction" was a Kennedy thing. The JCS had a doctrine of fighting using nuclear weapons and winning the war. Anything else was considered defeatist. OPLAN 8010 has a winnable doctrine too. Nice article below has an interesting point of view of Kennedy, LeMay, Lemnitzer, etc.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/08/jfk-vs-the-military/309496/
Even if we were talking conventional weapons, the amount of devastation and suffering that could ensue if we keep poking the Russian Bear is staggering. It is almost as if people forgot how bad global war is.
BushMasterBoy
10-03-2022, 15:02
There is no sight to compare to a ICBM being launched from US submarine under water. Once you see one you realize the sheer devastation the US military could inflict on an adversary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1fvMmkIfSM
eddiememphis
10-03-2022, 16:13
https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
Nuclear blast simulator. Interesting to play with.
Make sure under heading 3 you click casualties and fallout.
BushMasterBoy
10-03-2022, 17:05
Colorado is a nuclear sponge. We will definitely be attacked first. It is my understanding the Rus has huge underground shelters for the masses of their population. Supposedly DIA has an extensive tunnel system. Only advice I can offer is get out of the big cities if it looks like it is going down.
https://www.outtherecolorado.com/news/colorado-part-of-nuclear-sponge-heres-what-that-means/article_38cb69d0-a55b-11ec-bd7e-0bf1924412cb.html
eddiememphis
10-03-2022, 17:43
Supposedly DIA has an extensive tunnel system.
That's only for the Freemasons, aliens and illuminati.
battlemidget
10-03-2022, 18:03
Here's a neat doctored photo/story of Russia sending a 15th century cannon to the front.
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-russia-send-xvi-century-tsar-cannon-ukraine-front-1748491
BushMasterBoy
10-03-2022, 18:35
Latest news is nuclear support train carrying equipment usually used by the Strategic Rocket Force was last seen heading to Ukraine.
https://www.siasat.com/russian-nuclear-military-train-is-seen-on-the-move-2426775/
For a different, and fun perspective.
https://odysee.com/@OwenBenjamin:6/episode1507:6 (https://odysee.com/@OwenBenjamin:6/episode1507:6)
BushMasterBoy
10-03-2022, 23:57
And it just keeps getting better. The Rus is losing territory to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Thousands are fleeing Putin to avoid the draft. From what I can tell, inflation is rampant in Russia. All the European delicacies are now unobtainable. As usual it will be the common man that suffers the leaders folly. And the dollar is the strongest I have ever seen!
And it just keeps getting better. The Rus is losing territory to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Thousands are fleeing Putin to avoid the draft. From what I can tell, inflation is rampant in Russia. All the European delicacies are now unobtainable. As usual it will be the common man that suffers the leaders folly. And the dollar is the strongest I have ever seen!
Interesting, where are you seeing this being reported?
HBARleatherneck
10-04-2022, 13:16
I thought bushmaster was nuts, but joe only posts the stuff from the biggest idiots on the planet. dinosaurs are fake, flat earth, jews are bad, etc.
BushMasterBoy
10-04-2022, 13:37
I thought bushmaster was nuts, but joe only posts the stuff from the biggest idiots on the planet. dinosaurs are fake, flat earth, jews are bad, etc.
It is not my fault all the science subjects I specialize in are classified. They don't make the mainstream curriculum. But it is amazing how high tech small weapons can wreck havoc on a larger force, especially if the operators have superior training. Dumbass me, I could have bought a house on the beach in Florida...
I thought bushmaster was nuts, but joe only posts the stuff from the biggest idiots on the planet. dinosaurs are fake, flat earth, jews are bad, etc.
I hope your day gets better.
https://www.frontlinemissionsa.org/news/is-the-war-in-ukraine-part-of-the-great-collapse-before-the-great-reset
https://www.frontlinemissionsa.org/news/a-christian-perspective-on-the-war-in-ukraine
BushMasterBoy
10-04-2022, 18:15
What is interesting to me is an incident where a nuclear weapon (missile) almost launched itself in Ukraine in 1982. The Russian officer had to throw all the circuit breakers to bring the missile offline.
I have seen many examples of these type of reports that have disappeared from the internet over the years. Especially video reporting from witnesses and of objects.
If you find my posts upsetting feel free to put them on "ignore".
https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread644797/pg1
BushMasterBoy
10-04-2022, 23:18
Link below is a video produced a few years ago. It shows an armed conflict escalating into a nuclear war. It depicts this war as if it is an actual BBC news broadcast. Youtube will not allow to display using "Insert Video".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqWAi_H_9o
RblDiver
10-08-2022, 07:53
According to this tweet, looks like the bridge that connects Crimea and Russia may have just been blown up. https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1578644481330450432
Edit: Apparently not entirely blown up, but some sections are unnavigable. https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/10/08/another-whodunnit-who-blew-up-a-key-bridge-in-crimea-n501873
BushMasterBoy
10-08-2022, 08:17
Maybe Putin would serve better as a truck driver? He is failing the course in political science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnVUV5Rj4rk
BushMasterBoy,
Please go set this geopolitical bullshit straight.
-John
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