History of gasoline prices

[TFOGGER]

Interesting article regarding absolute and inflation adjusted gas prices for the last 85 years...

https://kdvr.com/news/local/heres-how-much-gas-cost-the-year-you-started-driving/

[hollohas]

Consumers may find themselves less directly affected by the price of a barrel of oil as hybrid and electric vehicles become more commonplace, public transit grows less gas-reliant, and the cost of switching to alternative energy sources at home comes down.

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We're LESS directly affected by petroleum prices today than we were in 1936???? Literally EVERYTHING we buy is reliant on oil today. Everything.
And that wasn't as much the case decades ago.

If it wasn't made using oil (which so many products are) then it was delivered to your local store using an oil product, in transportation that required oil to manufacture.

We are not less affected by oil just because a tiny percentage of people drive passengers EVs or have solar panels on their homes (although I'm not sure what alternative energy source they are suggesting allows us to move the electrical demand in our homes away from oil other than heating oil, which isn't all that common in much of the country)

How many electric trucks are delivering goods from factory to consumer? Zero. How many electric trains are delivering goods all the way from factory to consumer? Zero. Electric planes? Zero.

Hell, even passenger EVs some may use to get to the store to buy goods delivered there via oil powered transportation, require oil to make most of the parts in them. If oil prices go up, so do the cost of our EVs. The cost of switching to alternative energy sources for your home is still around a 25 year payoff. Want to heat your home with solar generated electric heat instead of oil? You're agreeing to pay for 25 years of heat up front. Not affected by oil....ha.

Damn near every item we all have in our homes wouldn't be there without oil. We wouldn't even have homes without oil as there'd be no lumber to build them. Even the water that comes out of our sink comes through pipes that were made with oil. They think oil prices don't affect those much anymore? They're blind.

When oil prices increase, the price of everything else increases too. We're absolutely directly affected by oil prices as much today as we ever have been.

[thedave1164]

Cheap energy is what fuels American excellence.

Three major things the commies need to control:

Food

Medicine

Energy

[kidicarus13]

How many electric trucks are delivering goods from factory to consumer? Zero.

https://electriclastmile.com/

https://nikolamotor.com/motor

Just a few I thought of off the top of my head.

[3beansalad]

https://electriclastmile.com/

https://nikolamotor.com/motor

Inquire now? Where's the dealer? Seems like an investment opportunity but not on the road doing deliveries... other than Polis' desire to put them on the road where are they?

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[Wulf202]

Cheap energy is what fuels American excellence.

Three major things the commies need to control:

Food

Medicine

Energy
the central part of Washington had 2.7 cents a kw electricity. State free health care but only if you're broke. And I hear they grow apples.

There's little industry there and politicians squabble and jacked up the electric rates over the past 5 years because they could.

Your post checked out sir.

[theGinsue]

Cheap energy is what fuels American excellence.

Three major things the commies need to control:

Food

Medicine

Energy

And a fourth thing: Education. Without that, they can't be sure they'll have a "next generation" of good commies.

[hollohas]

https://electriclastmile.com/

https://nikolamotor.com/motor

Just a few I thought of off the top of my head.



I said from factory to consumer.

ELMS are last mile delivery vehicles. They aren't transporting goods from the factory. And they're only producing vans at the moment. No trucks.

Nikola has only delivered 2 test trucks to my knowledge. Both are at ports, sorta like 1st mile trucks. Production models will have max 350 mile range. (I did ride the Nikola motors wave however. Made some decent money when with their stock and got out before their fraud charges).

Neither of these are capable of handling all material transportation, factory to consumer. All goods are still moved by petroleum powered vehicles at some point. And both of these are so insignificant in scope, they will not reduce material transportation costs for a very long time to come.

[kidicarus13]

Don't have to look too hard. And I'm not even an EV fan. You're being untruthful to try to prove your point.89922899238992489925

[Great-Kazoo]

And a fourth thing: Education. Without that, they can't be sure they'll have a "next generation" of good commies.

5th abolish the 2nd. By crook, or arbitrary rulings by the feds

6th shutter any and all opposition voices. Which they're doing a decent job at

7th SCOTUS. Which we might see. Depending what happens with Thomas.

[WETWRKS]

5th abolish the 2nd. By crook, or arbitrary rulings by the feds

6th shutter any and all opposition voices. Which they're doing a decent job at

7th SCOTUS. Which we might see. Depending what happens with Thomas.

8th...media (guess this can fit in with 6th but 6th does not have to be exclusively the media)

[BladesNBarrels]

8th...media (guess this can fit in with 6th but 6th does not have to be exclusively the media)

This makes me think of the lines from The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOyTzkam0s

[hollohas]

Don't have to look too hard. And I'm not even an EV fan. You're being untruthful to try to prove your point.89922899238992489925You're going to call me untruthful and then post straight up marketing images as proof EV trucks are somehow common place in the wild? Oh my.

First of all, the Nikola trucks in the AB photos are hydrogen, not EV, and not in commercial production. AB has been testing them since sometime around 2019 and still don't have them in common use. They currently have 2 Nikola TRE hydrogen trucks in limited test runs for AB in CA. Nikola TRE fuel cell trucks won't be in commercial production for a couple more years.

Short range Nikola battery powered BEV trucks are barely in use anywhere, although they started some pilot programs late last year. It wasn't very long ago that they were fined $125M in part for faking promo videos of EV trucks rolling down hills unpowered and also for lying to investors about the readiness of their EV tech (I sold my $65 Nikola stock right before that. It's $10 today). You're using images from company with a proven history of fraudulent marketing to prove a point.

AB has a couple dozen short range EV trucks from BYD Motors in local use at their CA facilities and maybe others. None making long haul deliveries.

You're refusing to understand my point. I never said no materials are handled by EV vehicles or that EV trucks don't exist. My point was that EV trucks are not anything more than an insignificant portion of material handling in reality so they aren't currently reducing the manufacturing and supply chain dependency on oil that affects us as CONSUMERS. That's a fact.

However, I said that ALL materials are handled by petroleum powered vehicles at some point during their life which currently does affect our cost of everything. More than they were decades ago. Many decades ago, the supply chain was much more localized. Materials needed in the manufacturing process were more often manufactured locally than they are today making fuel transportation costs not as big an impact as they are now. But today, most materials used in manufacturing come from around the country or the world. They travel longer distances today than they did in 1936, on diesel powered trucks, ships or planes.The point I very clearly made is that the limited use of EV anything ISN'T reducing how oil prices affect us.

So that's cool AB moves some beer short distances in EV trucks to distribution centers where they will then be put on diesel trucks to be moved cross country. The empty cans they fill come in on diesel trucks. The grain comes in on diesel trucks. The local delivery trucks bringing the beer to bars and liquor stores run on petroleum (although they are testing short distance local EV final delivery near their plants). There is not one can of beer they make that doesn't have some material or the final product at some point get put on a diesel truck. So yes, increases in diesel prices do increase the costs of all goods regardless of the use of EV vehicles during some very limited part of the manufacturing and delivery process.