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eddiememphis
04-22-2022, 09:08
https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2022/04/21/kopel-a-letter-to-the-denver-city-council-on-licensed-concealed-carry/

He goes deep with statistics on crime rates among permit holders and cautions Denver against passing anything until the Supreme Court rules on the Bruen case.

"Roughly speaking, among the Colorado population 21 and over, an adult with a concealed handgun permit is about 39 times less likely to be arrested than an adult without a CHP."

.455_Hunter
04-22-2022, 09:26
The rate of violent crime committed by permit holders is absurdly small. At no time has any local government provided any legitimate justification for restricting carry other than pure virtue signaling.

arbol
04-22-2022, 17:58
Too bad he sits in a panel of liberals, as the conservative voice, but has fully lost the conservative voice.

I tuned in the other night when he was chastising conservatives for thinking the election was rigged.

-John

FoxtArt
04-23-2022, 16:28
Too bad he sits in a panel of liberals, as the conservative voice, but has fully lost the conservative voice.

I tuned in the other night when he was chastising conservatives for thinking the election was rigged.

-John

It is unfortunate some conservatives think one opinion is the "right" one. I've heard that Tina Peters over here has evidence that the Colorado election was rigged! They are claiming only 500,000 votes for Biden, and 3 million votes for Trump, and they have proof! I'm not even joking, many are passing that around.

It takes a special person, though, to believe more than 50% of boulder and denver progressives in the heart of the metro voted for Trump, much less anyone else. Every election has some corruption, but until someone presents ACTUAL evidence, Koppel is 100% right, and their certainly is room for disagreement. Not believing in "rigged" does not make someone a liberal.

Most of the crap that came out of election turned out to be just as fake as the other side's crap. E.g. the "second duffel" under the table video, etc. Turns out that one was legitimate, they just took out the context intentionally and then cast it as something it wasn't.

The most prevalent kind of fraud today is information fraud, and it is just as deep in the conservative party as the liberal.

BPTactical
04-23-2022, 20:13
Talk to your ass and your head hurts.
After the magazine debacle of 2012-13 words mean precisely DICK.

FromMyColdDeadHand
05-09-2022, 17:42
Out of curiosity, what does it take to become a private security guard?

They get to carry guns and shoot people and the DA lets them go.

Clint45
05-10-2022, 17:17
Out of curiosity, what does it take to become a private security guard?

They get to carry guns and shoot people and the DA lets them go.

First, you need to be hired by a company.
Next, you need to pass an FBI BGC and pass an 8 hour exam.
Guards cannot be armed, even with their personal licensed CCW, without an armed endorsement in Denver and several other municipalities, which requires additional training plus employer approval.
Armed guards can open carry only in uniform at their assigned post unless they have an additional plainclothes endorsement.
Any use of force incident in which an injury occurs must be immediately reported to the city licencing department, which may result in revocation of your license.

DDT951
05-15-2022, 08:21
It is unfortunate some conservatives think one opinion is the "right" one. I've heard that Tina Peters over here has evidence that the Colorado election was rigged! They are claiming only 500,000 votes for Biden, and 3 million votes for Trump, and they have proof! I'm not even joking, many are passing that around.

It takes a special person, though, to believe more than 50% of boulder and denver progressives in the heart of the metro voted for Trump, much less anyone else. Every election has some corruption, but until someone presents ACTUAL evidence, Koppel is 100% right, and their certainly is room for disagreement. Not believing in "rigged" does not make someone a liberal.

Most of the crap that came out of election turned out to be just as fake as the other side's crap. E.g. the "second duffel" under the table video, etc. Turns out that one was legitimate, they just took out the context intentionally and then cast it as something it wasn't.

The most prevalent kind of fraud today is information fraud, and it is just as deep in the conservative party as the liberal.

So tell me Mr Foxtrot…

I have 100% verifiable proof that the Colorado election system is sending out ballots to ineligible voters. That means government endorsed fraud.

What is my proof? In the last tax election (May 3, 2022) my MINOR child received a ballot.

How does a MINOR child receive a ballot when they are not of voting age unless it is intentional? Want a tax increase? Sending ballots to people who don’t pay and only receive benefits is a good way.

I physically have the ballot / envelope.

So don’t try and tell me it a third party hearsay conspiracy theory.

Explain why I have a ballot addressed to my MINOR child if elections are on the yo and up.

XJ
05-15-2022, 18:37
So tell me Mr Foxtrot…

I have 100% verifiable proof that the Colorado election system is sending out ballots to ineligible voters. That means government endorsed fraud.

What is my proof? In the last tax election (May 3, 2022) my MINOR child received a ballot.

How does a MINOR child receive a ballot when they are not of voting age unless it is intentional? Want a tax increase? Sending ballots to people who don’t pay and only receive benefits is a good way.

I physically have the ballot / envelope.

So don’t try and tell me it a third party hearsay conspiracy theory.

Explain why I have a ballot addressed to my MINOR child if elections are on the yo and up.


Curious to hear the response :)

Great-Kazoo
05-15-2022, 23:54
Curious to hear the response :)

I don't think i could stay awake long enough to read the entire reply.

FoxtArt
05-16-2022, 00:11
So tell me Mr Foxtrot…

I have 100% verifiable proof that the Colorado election system is sending out ballots to ineligible voters. That means government endorsed fraud.

What is my proof? In the last tax election (May 3, 2022) my MINOR child received a ballot.

How does a MINOR child receive a ballot when they are not of voting age unless it is intentional? Want a tax increase? Sending ballots to people who don’t pay and only receive benefits is a good way.

I physically have the ballot / envelope.

So don’t try and tell me it a third party hearsay conspiracy theory.

Explain why I have a ballot addressed to my MINOR child if elections are on the yo and up.

Aaaaaaand what did you do with that ballot? Did you report it? What age is the MINOR Child? Any evidence it was anything more than a mistake?

Every election system has always sent out a few ballots to ineligible voters, including deceased. Many Trump voters took advantage of those to vote twice, too.

Including this piece of work: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/14/colorado-suspect-wife-death-accused-trump-vote

By the logic you provide, that also means the election was rigged in favor of Trump.

There are always outliers, mistakes, double voters, and low levels of corruption in every election with votes going both direction. Traditionally, I think there was slightly more liberal corruption than conservative, but not always. In the last election, a not-insignificant amount of forged Trump votes occurred because the voters wanted to "balance it out".

So it's now May 2022. Where's the evidence of actual vote rigging. Drives were stolen from voting machines, how many lawsuits have their been, how many audits? Where's the smoking gun that SHOULD exist if a -anything- you guys believe was true?

PPS: Trump campaigned on paying off the national debt. Instead he added 6.7 Trillion to it, more than any other president in a 4 year term. He's the biggest fiscal liberal in the entire history of our country, and his spending exceeds both Biden and Obama. But go ahead ya'll, keep hero worshiping the New York Democrat.

FoxtArt
05-16-2022, 00:25
PPS: even adjusted for inflation The national debt was increased under Trump, inordinately more than it was by FDR for World War Two. And that's even before the pandemic.

And yes, it's the executive office that puts together the budget. In 2017, conservatives had the house and senate. There is no excusive for at minimum, balancing it..

DDT951
05-16-2022, 07:17
What did I do with the ballot. Kept it as proof when nut cases claim it doesn’t happen.

The minor child is 17. They are signing them up when they get drivers licenses.

Gman
05-16-2022, 11:18
I'm really hoping that Trump isn't on the ballot in the next election, but you can't put the deficit or the budget all on him.

The President must propose a budget, but the House and Senate consider and amend budget legislation in various committees. That legislation then gets passed on to the President for signature.

What has been happening for years is that Congress has not been performing their Constitutional duty to create an annual budget. Both parties have been playing games of brinksmanship threatening to shutdown the government, then coming up with omnibus funding bills loaded with pork to keep things going for a few more months, repeat.

The entire organism that the federal government has mutated into, a by-product of greed and corruption, is the problem. No single elected candidate is going to slay that monster.

Bailey Guns
05-16-2022, 15:31
Too bad he sits in a panel of liberals, as the conservative voice, but has fully lost the conservative voice.

I tuned in the other night when he was chastising conservatives for thinking the election was rigged.

-John

So thinking the election wasn't rigged = someone is not conservative?

I don't think you understand what "conservative" means if that's how you define it.