Mass shooting at Buffalo supermarket

[Rooskibar03]

Dont think this one is going away as quickly as the last few. Media finally appears to have a wack job "white supremacists" in custody.

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/mass-shooting-at-buffalo-supermarket/

[eddiememphis]

Provided this is his actual writing, his manifesto is detailed. He has a planned timeline and a breakdown of his weapons. Also some bad things about guns.

"-The weapon must be able to kill quickly and efficiently. A firearm that is light, deadly to others(basically all firearms fit this category), can fire ammunition as quickly as needed, can holdmany rounds of ammunition without reloading, and can reload quickly are most optimal for thisattack."

Great ammo for the ban everything crowd.

Obviously a nut. Sad lonely kid.

Unfortunately, Rooski is likely correct that this one will last a bit longer than some.

[Gman]

...used a rifle to boot.

[eddiememphis]

-The AR-15 and its variants are very deadly when used properly. Which is the reason why I
picked one. High capacity magazines and ammunition that causes (enough) ballistic damage to
kill effectively will be used. The AR-15 is readily accessible even in cucked New York, and after
some modifications will be able to effectively kill. Plus, the media loves to hate on the AR-15,
which may increase media coverage and public outlash.

This asshole is trying to save the white race but he's really doing a disservice to those of us that are firearms enthusiasts.

[.455_Hunter]

No doubt many members of our local political fiefdoms are pleasuring themselves in anticipation while watching coverage of this attack.

[Mtneer]

I'm not into conspiracy theory...but an 18-year-old going full whacko a day after California court says 18-21 can buy guns and right before a major Supreme Court 2A decision in the same state. How convenient.

[TEAMRICO]

Sadly, the more bodies the more the Libs and anti gunner love it. Sick.

[BPTactical]

I'm not into conspiracy theory...but an 18-year-old going full whacko a day after California court says 18-21 can buy guns and right before a major Supreme Court 2A decision in the same state. How convenient.

I don’t feel that would be the intent.
Look how fast they have “Hate Crime” charges mentioned on this guy. Within minutes of his custody they have his entire manifesto full of racial statements.
His manifesto is odd, purposely hitting on every talking point that has been spewed the last couple of years. It is very detailed with gear info. Either this guy was a full on autistic/ocd that documented things in great detail or????
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/149112/buffalo-rifle_jpg-2384238.JPG
This one does have a certain stench to it.

[eddiememphis]

Good thing the President chimed in.

"We must do everything in our power to end hate-fueled domestic terrorism."

And yet he's silent on this..

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-weekend-violence-crime-police/11852122/

CHICAGO SHOOTING
Chicago shootings: 28 shot, 5 fatally, in weekend violence, CPD says

[DFBrews]

His discord server is extremely detail oriented and checklists the planning on the discord started around march


Rip the victim’s and their families terrible

[Ah Pook]

This doesn't pass the sniff test. Then again, lately, a lot doesn't.

[Squeeze]

This doesn't pass the sniff test. Then again, lately, a lot doesn't.

Agreed.

[hollohas]

This one does have a certain stench to it.

Sure does.

Wonder if this dudes views were polar opposite if you look back a few more years into his history...

[Delfuego]

I'm not into conspiracy theory...butIf you have ever started a sentence like this, then you might be.

[hollohas]

This dude = racist.

Black guy who promoted violence against white people and killed a bunch = controversial views on race.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220515/99c2b1d9d56a72f84d3e21204b3f7c08.jpg

[.455_Hunter]

Such a surprise- Perp was previously investigated for making threats against his high school.

[eddiememphis]

So far I have seen a few calls for "common sense gun control". The NY Governor says CEOs of internet companies need to be held accountable. One fool called it "military style execution", whatever that is.

I haven't heard anyone call for banning body armor... yet. Asshole took a round from the security guard but the armor saved him. I am sure some politician will bemoan the availability of armor emboldening future shooters, something about the gear of war or the like.

His manifesto details all his gear and better options. It's like he wanted to write for a magazine. He has a lot of links to you tube videos describing gear. That will get some accounts shut down.

No one will call this what it is. A scared, sad little boy that wanted attention.

[BushMasterBoy]

This incident will probably be labeled "domestic terrorism" and go to a federal trial. The logistical result will be increased mass surveillance prescribed by law. The surveillance will probably be filtered by artificial intelligence enabled by quantum computing. The entire electromagnetic spectrum will be exploited. For example: my drivers license on my phone is now accepted as legal ID by some LE agencies in Colorado.

https://mycolorado.state.co.us/

[hollohas]

I don't think we're going to see many super public calls for anti gun stuff. Don't get me wrong, they'll do it, but it won't be the number 1 thing we see on TV for weeks like it's been when these things happen in the past. Nothing mobilizes the right like huge anti gun pushes. The left is mobilized by abortion stuff now, which has much of the right quietly keeping their heads down. The left isn't going to want to give the right much reason to poke their heads-up again.

PS - a CA church got shot up today too. I'm guessing that one won't get much press beyond today.

[Gman]

Shooter was known to law enforcement. There's a huge surprise. /SARC

Tired of the entire concept of "hate crime" designation. The crime is what it is. Government has no business trying to play God by 'peering into the criminal's soul' to divine their motivation.

Deal with what can be proven in this world. That's enough to remove threats from society (although that isn't done nearly as often as it should anymore).

[XJ]

[Chicago]less-than-average weekend[\Chicago]

[kidicarus13]

For example: my drivers license on my phone is now accepted as legal ID by some LE agencies in Colorado.

https://mycolorado.state.co.us/

You fell for that one? Sorry to hear.

[Martinjmpr]

I don't think we're going to see many super public calls for anti gun stuff. Don't get me wrong, they'll do it, but it won't be the number 1 thing we see on TV for weeks like it's been when these things happen in the past. Nothing mobilizes the right like huge anti gun pushes. The left is mobilized by abortion stuff now, which has much of the right quietly keeping their heads down. The left isn't going to want to give the right much reason to poke their heads-up again.


Agreed. The last thing in the world the Democrats want these days is for anyone to mention gun control. They know they're in for an ass kicking in November because if Biden, inflation, gas prices, etc. Throwing gun control into the mix would do nothing but guarantee that in the close districts the pro gun voters would come out of the woodwork and vote against democrats.

Might see some changes at the state level, given that New York is pretty much a democrat-controlled state. But then again, they already have pretty strict gun control laws in NY so it's hard to say what they could do that they haven't already done.

EDITED TO ADD: 23 years after Columbine, with VA Tech, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, the Pulse Nightclub, etc in the rear view, I think the political impact of a mass shooting is almost zero now. All it's going to do is reinforce whatever positions people already had. If they're anti gun, this isn't going to make them MORE anti gun and if they're pro gun, it isn't going to make them MORE pro gun.

People have already chosen sides and a mass killing isn't going to make them change.

[Martinjmpr]

Continuing my thought from above, it's kind of like the suicide bombings in the Intifada in Israel starting in the mid 1990's. The first few were spectacular and had all kinds of media attention, people talking about them, etc. They were front page news for days, even here in the US.

But after 15 or 20 or more, the "shock value" wore off and it was like "meh, another suicide bombing."

Humans can get used to a lot of awful things. Think about the stuff that happened during WWII: Entire blocks being burned up by incendiary bombs, V1 cruise missiles and V2 ballistic missiles hitting London on a daily basis. After the first few, the shock value wore off and it just became another thing to endure. I think the same thing is happening with these "mass shootings." The shock value is wearing off. By next month most people will have forgotten about this.

[eddiememphis]

By next month most people will have forgotten about this.

Probably correct.

The anti-gun crowd will have another incident to add to their count.

The "white supremacist" fear mongers will have one as well. The left blames the right, despite the asshole stating he is a leftist. The right just hides, never correctly pointing out choosing mass murder as a political statement is a mental health issue and no public policy can legislate away crazy.

Politicians calling for internet censorship have another arrow in their quiver. That is the one that that is most likely to affect everyone.

The link Rooski posted to the manifesto no longer works. So now you have to rely on others interpretations of it.

[Aloha_Shooter]

He's been planning in open on Discord since March? And they found all the posts within hours of the act but DIDN'T have him under active surveillance and stop him the moment he started moving?

Something smells.

[eddiememphis]

He's been planning in open on Discord since March? And they found all the posts within hours of the act but DIDN'T have him under active surveillance and stop him the moment he started moving?

Something smells.

Who would you suggest takes that action? Local, state, federal? Or perhaps a whole new branch of government, tasked with following Internet trolls around in case they act in an illegal manner? And where is that funding coming from?

We would need to live in a police state if everyone thats posts nonsensical garbage on the Internet would be placed under active surveillance.

[theGinsue]

I find it curious how they had so much information on him within such a short period of time; even stuff he posted using aliases - all before the police executed a warrant of his home.

Just curious.

[BPTactical]

I find it curious how they had so much information on him within such a short period of time; even stuff he posted using aliases - all before the police executed a warrant of his home.

Just curious.


Not to mention “Hate Crime” charges announced from the gitgo*


*granted he had some verbiage written on his rifle that leaned that direction but the statement was made virtually in seconds after the incident.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Who would you suggest takes that action? Local, state, federal? Or perhaps a whole new branch of government, tasked with following Internet trolls around in case they act in an illegal manner? And where is that funding coming from?

We would need to live in a police state if everyone thats posts nonsensical garbage on the Internet would be placed under active surveillance.

My point was that they apaprently already had him under active surveillance since they knew about him for months and knew he had posted plans on Discord -- whoever "they" is. I'd rather not have as much surveillance as we do in society today but if they DO have that kind of surveillance, they need to use it. This smells like Obama's "Fast and Furious" campaign -- knowingly creating a situation or letting it happen to create maximum publicity and sway public opinion toward the extremist measures they want to take anyway.

[Great-Kazoo]

I find it curious how they had so much information on him within such a short period of time; even stuff he posted using aliases - all before the police executed a warrant of his home.

Just curious.

Yet, years later, the LV shooter still remains a mystery.

[BPTactical]

Yet, years later, the LV shooter still remains a mystery.



It is interdasting isn't it?

[Delfuego]

OSINT in 2022 is cheap and easy and doesn't require any kind of warrants. In fact it's some peoples morbid hobby, others a profession, even a business model for companies. Kids post everything from their breakfast to their psychotic aspirations online. Their digital op-sec sucks, because they generally want attention. Post shit online and it will be found.

There is tons of information on the LV shooter (reports, articles, documentaries, podcasts, interviews, legal docs). If you are morbid enough to want to find it. Nobody is hiding this. If you are looking, you can find it.

These people are psychos. Trying to figure out what their motivation is dumb, especially when the are kids. Everything is not a politics thing. Even if a mass shooter wrote a manifesto proclaiming it was "all political", it's not. Because they are fucking crazy murderers. First and foremost.

I grew up with a punk-rock kid that became a skinhead. He didn't grow up a racist white supremacist. We was a follower, a wanna-be and wanted friends. He put on a flight jacket, docs and started hanging out with shit people. He ended up murdered. Did he end up dying a white supremacist skinhead? Sure did.

[Martinjmpr]

OK so for those of you saying "the timing is suspicious" or "doesn't make sense" or whatever, you all seem to be hinting at something you won't come right out and say so let me ask you point blank: What DO you think happened?

Do you think that this was a "false flag" operation organized by anti gun leftists, communists, democrats, etc? For what purpose?

Do you think it didn't actually happen and that all the people are "crisis actors" a la Alex Jones?

Do you think it was a secret government operation? Designed to do what? And again, for what purpose?

Seriously, why is it so hard to believe that an angry asshole with a chip on his shoulder and a gun killed a bunch of people? We've seen this exact template over and over again for the past 50 years or so.

[BushMasterBoy]

Found this on twitter. I probably saw it due to cookies. There always is going to be someone that wants to ruin it for everybody else. And POTUS showing up to the scene when he should be concentrating on Ukraine, COVID, inflation, etc...


90369

[hollohas]

OK so for those of you saying "the timing is suspicious" or "doesn't make sense" or whatever, you all seem to be hinting at something you won't come right out and say so let me ask you point blank: What DO you think happened?

Do you think that this was a "false flag" operation organized by anti gun leftists, communists, democrats, etc? For what purpose?

Do you think it didn't actually happen and that all the people are "crisis actors" a la Alex Jones?

Do you think it was a secret government operation? Designed to do what? And again, for what purpose?

Seriously, why is it so hard to believe that an angry asshole with a chip on his shoulder and a gun killed a bunch of people? We've seen this exact template over and over again for the past 50 years or so.

None of the above.

The feds have a long history of egging crazy people on through the use of informants, etc. They do this to create wins for themselves. Sometimes they do it to create a problem to prove to the world the problem does in fact exist. Sometimes they egg them on far enough that they can then arrest them...IF their communication is good enough to make that stop before they follow-thru.

I wonder how many times the feds egg someone on who then slips by and does what the feds egged them on to do. The feds are NEVER going to say "oops! We egged this guy on, he went dark and committed murder before we could stop him". It's much more likely that if that happens the feds will say "man, we had no idea this guy was out there. We're as surprised as you!"

[BPTactical]

OK so for those of you saying "the timing is suspicious" or "doesn't make sense" or whatever, you all seem to be hinting at something you won't come right out and say so let me ask you point blank: What DO you think happened?

Do you think that this was a "false flag" operation organized by anti gun leftists, communists, democrats, etc? For what purpose?

Do you think it didn't actually happen and that all the people are "crisis actors" a la Alex Jones?

Do you think it was a secret government operation? Designed to do what? And again, for what purpose?

Seriously, why is it so hard to believe that an angry asshole with a chip on his shoulder and a gun killed a bunch of people? We've seen this exact template over and over again for the past 50 years or so.




"They" managed to steal a national election.

"They" are capable of anything.

[Rucker61]

Found this on twitter. I probably saw it due to cookies. There always is going to be someone that wants to ruin it for everybody else. And POTUS showing up to the scene when he should be concentrating on Ukraine, COVID, inflation, etc...


90369

I usually just post this in response:

Number of Black people killed by LEOs in 2019: 173
Number of White people killed by LEOs in 2019: 430

https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate.html
Number of Black people arrested in 2019: 1,815,144
Number of white people arrested in 2019: 4,729,290
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43

Survival rate, Blacks: 99.99%
Survival rate, whites: 99.99%

[eddiememphis]

I can't buy into the conspiracy bullshit.

Too many people can't keep secrets. We see it everyday with leaks and unnamed sources. If there was a mysterious cabal in the government doing these things, there isn't one one person that would let it slip or feel guilt and leak it?

This is exactly what it looks like. A mixed up kid with mental issues that immersed himself in dark images and decided to act on his "beliefs".

[kidicarus13]

Occam's razor...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

Now if he would have used an AR with a brace (in light of the new ATF brace ruling coming out in the next few months), I would be more concerned of a conspiracy.

[Waldo1]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/05/16/when_misinformation_drives_bad_policy_147601.html

Good article on gun violence. I would have gotten the percentage wrong too.

[theGinsue]

I'm not saying it was a conspiracy as much as I'm hinting at the possibility that the authorities had data on this kid, to include his online psuedo-names, prior to the kid losing his shit. While some of the information that was released about him early on was readily available, other data wasn't and would have required some skillful deep digging that doesn't happen in a couple of short hours.

Fact is, people be crazy and there are enough crazies running around to create the type of violence and chaos that works well for those who desire to "never let a tragedy go to waste". I believe that due to societal trends, more and more of the crazies feel emboldened to act on their desires. This is why it's becoming more important to be prepared to defend ones self and their loved ones.

[Gman]

When attacking comedians for telling jokes you don't like has been normalized...

[hollohas]

I can't buy into the conspiracy bullshit.

Too many people can't keep secrets. We see it everyday with leaks and unnamed sources. If there was a mysterious cabal in the government doing these things, there isn't one one person that would let it slip or feel guilt and leak it?



We hear about this stuff all the time. None of it is secret. It's just that nobody pays attention.

For example, remember the "Gov Whimer kidnapping plot"? The evil MAGA loving militia planning to stop the tyrant gov?

Like half of the people planning that were feds. Feds literally drove the defendants to meetings. Feds gave them money to buy weapons. That was all public info during the trial. Do you think for one moment if the feds misplaced those dipshits and they actually kidnapped the gov that they would admit they knew them prior and even helped them plan it? Not a chance. 100% the feds would say "whoopsie daisy, we total had no idea these guys were planning that!"

Remember Fast and Furious? The feds literally organizing illegal gun running? They got a cop killed so they denied it, but we all know it's true. But the info is out there.

Feds helped the Bundy's at the Oregon wildlife refuge occupation (Mark McConnell).

Feds setup Randy Weaver through the fed informants that attended skin head meetings. (Skinhead meetings are one of those things that feds egg on trying to make a mountain of a mole hill) The ATF lied in their gun charges against Weaver and claimed he was a bank robber.

The feds all lied about the Trump Russia stuff and used it to investigate him for years.

The feds LIE constantly. There's nothing mysterious about it.

[hollohas]

I would find it 100% less suspicious if the feds said "yup, we were watching this guy but we couldn't arrest him for posting dumb shit online."

[buffalobo]

theGinsue-

"Fact is, people be crazy and there are enough crazies running around to create the type of violence and chaos that works well for those who desire to "never let a tragedy go to waste". I believe that due to societal trends, more and more of the crazies feel emboldened to act on their desires. This is why it's becoming more important to be prepared to defend ones self and their loved ones."

10 Ring

[leightoncash]

I was shocked that Thetruthaboutguns.com had a post about this shooting and included a link to the killer's livestream of the shooting. I watched it and there's no words for the horror of it, but it was all very familiar looking as well. It looked IDENTICAL to the video games I see my kids playing, that I used to have a hard stance on but had become desensitized to. That video circulating is very bad thing, because it will undoubtedly embolden viewers who are contemplating their own bloodbath shooting spree.

[.455_Hunter]

I was shocked that Thetruthaboutguns.com had a post about this shooting and included a link to the killer's livestream of the shooting. I watched it and there's no words for the horror of it, but it was all very familiar looking as well. It looked IDENTICAL to the video games I see my kids playing, that I used to have a hard stance on but had become desensitized to. That video circulating is very bad thing, because it will undoubtedly embolden viewers who are contemplating their own bloodbath shooting spree.


My kid is 16 and he doesn't play any of that photorealistic crap, just some occasional Minecraft with mild weapons play not dissimilar to what was available 20+ years ago. I agree that, for the already mentally deranged, making the jump from video games to real life seems to be getting easier and easier.

[00tec]

The video game claim again.

Many people play violent video games on a daily basis and don't lose their shit like this guy.

[Gman]

When I was a kid, we played 'cowboys & indians' and 'cops & robbers' and pretended to shoot EACH OTHER with toy guns that looked real. That's about as photorealistic as it gets.

Move forward a couple of generations and there's paintball.

But video games are the issue?

It can't be poor parenting, breakdown of the nuclear family, and society losing its grip on morality. Figuring out those problems is messy. Much easier to just point at a thing, like video games...or guns, and make that the problem.

[hollohas]

What Gman said. Boys have loved pretending to shoot each other since forever. Video games are just the modern version of that. An insignificant number ever bring it beyond pretend. Hell, now we have airsoft which is the most realistic to actual gun fighting we've seen yet. More so than video games. But we don't see a slew of airsofters out committing murder either.

The video this nut ball posted looked like a video game to people who saw it, but not to him. He wasn't living out a video game. The similar visuals were purely obvious to the viewer.

[leightoncash]

Give me a break, I didn't say video games caused this shooting. I said that the actual video will embolden crazy people. People who actually study these issues say that these videos are bad news and fuel new fires. I simply said that the actual video looks just like the photorealistic video games. I will say though, something is wrong if vicarious, realistic murder through video games is seen as entertainment. Gamers will likely never kill someone, but their soul is being damaged. As a dad, I need to step up and say, "not in my house".

[.455_Hunter]

The video game claim again.

Many people play violent video games on a daily basis and don't lose their shit like this guy.

I guess you missed my statement of "for the already mentally deranged". Yes- If they enjoy such games, normal people are able to separate fantasy from reality.

[eddiememphis]

Who would you suggest takes that action? Local, state, federal? Or perhaps a whole new branch of government, tasked with following Internet trolls around in case they act in an illegal manner? And where is that funding coming from?

We would need to live in a police state if everyone thats posts nonsensical garbage on the Internet would be placed under active surveillance.

Oh wait... here you go. Hope this makes you feel safer.

https://thehill.com/news/house/3493763-house-passes-domestic-terrorism-bill-in-mostly-party-line-vote/

"The legislation specifically calls for the formation of domestic terrorism offices within the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), Department of Justice (DOJ) and FBI that would be tasked with monitoring and scrutinizing potential terror activity."

[DDT951]

What we could call the new department something like.."State Security Service" so we can all be safe?

Of couse that is quite a mouthfull... kind of like Department of Homeland Security


Lets just lump them togther and come up with a cute name.

I will suggest a name:


Stasi

[hollohas]

"The legislation specifically calls for the formation of domestic terrorism offices within the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), Department of Justice (DOJ) and FBI that would be tasked with monitoring and scrutinizing potential terror activity."

Wait. So they're all not already"monitoring potential terror activity"???

What do they do all day?

[eddiememphis]

Wait. So they're all not already"monitoring potential terror activity"???

What do they do all day?

https://www.dhs.gov/dhs-actions-climate-change

Climate Change

https://www.dhs.gov/employee-resources/news/2022/05/16/femas-yolanda-jackson-champion-equity

Celebrating Equity

https://www.dhs.gov/coronavirus

Battling Microbes

I'm sure there is more across all agencies. That took me two minutes. I have a cold and need to walk the dog and prepare for a climate change induced blizzard.

[eddiememphis]

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/20/1100263364/buffalo-shooter-body-armor-fewer-regulations-than-guns

Calls for body armor regulation.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/politics/2022/05/19/buffalo-mass-shooting-victims--families-looking-at-civil-action

Civil liability for gun manufacturer.

The problem with that is the asshole used a Bushmaster. No sure who they will attempt to hold liable.

[Gman]

I hear Remington would rather settle than go to court.

[00tec]

Get your foil hats out boys

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/authorities-investigating-if-retired-federal-agent-knew-of-buffalo-mass-shooting-plans-in-advance/article_bd408f18-dd39-11ec-be53-df8fdd095d6f.html

[hollohas]

You know what retired federal agents like to do? Become federal contractors or informants. Egging people on in online chat rooms.