The Quadfecta of Stupidity

[.455_Hunter]

Round 1...

Boulder, Louisville, Lafayette and Superior

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/four-boulder-county-municipalities-prepared-to-pass-several-gun-ordinances-next-week

How many people own military style semi-autos and >10 round
capacity mags in these four towns and have no clue this is imminent?

Round 2...

Coming soon to your area, and then a push at the state level once again. They never give up...

[Little Dutch]

Food shortages, gas prices getting worse, rioting every summer, violence everywhere…clearly a perfect time to restrict self defense.

[def90]

Thanks for making us all targets again!

[Seamonkey]

The cities of Boulder, Louisville, and Lafayette, along with the Town of Superior, took advantage and began drafting their own ordinances, which include:

- banning the sale and possession of assault weapons
- banning magazines containing more than 10 rounds
- raising the firearm purchasing age from 18 to 21
- outlawing open and concealed carry in sensitive places like hospitals, schools and places of worship
- instituting a 10-day waiting period to purchase a firearm
- requiring firearm dealers to post signs outside of their stores explaining the dangers of firearms


https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/four-boulder-county-municipalities-prepared-to-pass-several-gun-ordinances-next-week

They should ban the sale and possession of fentanyl ....

[whitewalrus]

More likely they would decriminalize the possession of fentanyl?


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[wctriumph]

More likely they would decriminalize the possession of fentanyl?


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Canada is! Legalizing fentanyl, cocaine, meth! Province by province Canada is joining the third world. The corruption must really run deep…

[funkymonkey1111]

i think that's actually called a "superfecta"

[JohnnyDrama]

Serious "defecta."

[WETWRKS]

Anyone have the specifics of these bills? Links to the bills themselves?

[sbgixxer]

Aggravating... and you seemingly can't outrun the politicians and people who won't be content until the 2nd amendment is gone. I moved to CO 13 years ago to get away from overbearing law of all types. It's caught up to where I left now. Year after year, Colorado law and the leanings of the people disappoint me. I can always move to Wyoming or West Virginia [Mad]

[Hessian]

Funny how everyone is now piping up pissed, millions of gun owners and so many just sat back and came up with excuses not to join a 2nd Amendment gun rights group. Now it's too late, they have the momentum NRA, 2nd Amendment foundation etc. Maybe none are perfect yet who else can lobby for us. Then you get the old @ss who says, I don't care... I collect M1 rifles. What do they say 100 million guns in America, then look at the NRA membership Talley. So many have road the backs of others. It now doesn't matter where you live Colorado or Wyoming we are very possibly as a group looking at some very severe restrictions.

[eddiememphis]

Anyone have the specifics of these bills? Links to the bills themselves?

https://boulder.novusagenda.com/agendapublic/Coversheet.aspx?ItemID=4570&MeetingID=716
Link to Boulder meeting agenda. The actual legislation is an attachment at the bottom.


https://boulder.novusagenda.com/agendapublic/AttachmentViewer.ashx?AttachmentID=5032&ItemID=4570
Link to PDF download of the proposed ordinances.

[eddiememphis]

There are several things noted in the introduction that are questionable. Most worrisome is that they include semi-auto pistols and shotguns as assault weapons.

C. Assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with large ammunition capacities and
specific features that are useful in military and criminal applications yet are unnecessary in
shooting sports or self-defense. These weapons include semiautomatic assault rifles that have the
ability to accept large-capacity magazines holding up to 100 rounds, and with features that enhance
concealability, control, and the ability to fire many dozens of rounds without pause. They also
include assault pistols and high capacity ?combat? shotguns.


? These rifles fire bullets with a velocity three times greater than 9mm handguns, leaving
?softball-sized exit wounds? much more likely to kill than to incapacitate victims.

H. Assault weapons are inappropriate for civilian use due to the unique features that
allow shooters to rapidly fire a large number of rounds?more than is ever needed for lawful self-defense...

A pistol grip, not
typically found on a sporting rifle or shotgun (which would be fired from the shoulder), allows the
shooter to control the firearm more accurately?and lethally?by maneuvering the weapon or
shooting from the hip during rapid fire;

An interesting read. I would love to get Dave Kopel's take on it.

[def90]

There are several things noted in the introduction that are questionable. Most worrisome is that they include semi-auto pistols and shotguns as assault weapons.

C. Assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with large ammunition capacities and
specific features that are useful in military and criminal applications yet are unnecessary in
shooting sports or self-defense. These weapons include semiautomatic assault rifles that have the
ability to accept large-capacity magazines holding up to 100 rounds, and with features that enhance
concealability, control, and the ability to fire many dozens of rounds without pause. They also
include assault pistols and high capacity ?combat? shotguns.


? These rifles fire bullets with a velocity three times greater than 9mm handguns, leaving
?softball-sized exit wounds? much more likely to kill than to incapacitate victims.

H. Assault weapons are inappropriate for civilian use due to the unique features that
allow shooters to rapidly fire a large number of rounds?more than is ever needed for lawful self-defense...

A pistol grip, not
typically found on a sporting rifle or shotgun (which would be fired from the shoulder), allows the
shooter to control the firearm more accurately?and lethally?by maneuvering the weapon or
shooting from the hip during rapid fire;

An interesting read. I would love to get Dave Kopel's take on it.

Nothing new, the previous law included pistols and shotguns.. basically the distinction in pistols vs assault weapons was that a pistol that has the magazine incorporated within the grip is the definition of a pistol while a pistol that has a separate magazine well as in an AR or AK pistol would fall under the assault weapon ban. in the previous ban a shotgun with detachable mag such as once again an AR or AK based shotgun fell under the assault weapon definition.

[def90]

Boulder county commissioners are supposedly looking in to regulations as well. It is probably pointless in the frame of changing their minds but for the sake of public record all city council emails are public domain. Everyone in Boulder county and any of these affected cities should be contacting their city councils to let them know that they are against all of these regulations. No need to expound on why, just a simple for or against is all that is needed. At least there will be a public record of how many citizens were for or against these laws. Lack of public support at council meetings and public response has killed these attempts in other localities such as Sheridan, Longmont and Broomfield.

[ray1970]

Everyone in Boulder county and any of these affected cities should be contacting their city councils to let them know that they are against all of these regulations.

First, let me just say screw Boulder and everyone who lives there.

Now, if I was a betting man, I would guess the overwhelming majority of Boulder/Boulder County residents are all in favor of this garbage. Having the underwhelming minority show their displeasure would be totally meaningless.

[def90]

First, let me just say screw Boulder and everyone who lives there.

Now, if I was a betting man, I would guess the overwhelming majority of Boulder/Boulder County residents are all in favor of this garbage. Having the underwhelming minority show their displeasure would be totally meaningless.

Actually, the first time this was passed the overwhelming majority was against the ban. I don't remember the total number of people that spoke at the meeting that night but it ran until 1:00 in the morning to get everybodies 3 minutes in and the ratio was easily 20 against for every 1 person for it. I suspect that it hasn't changed since then. There were so many people against it that a couple council members sugested that they possibly put it on a city referrendum as a public vote, the rest of the council voted against that idea because it was obvious that they were going to lose.

[DireWolf]

And while this is going on, I was approached yesterday morning by someone trying to collect signatures for putting legalized Shrooms on the ballot...

Don't think my laughingly-delivered "Ha! Fuck No!" was well received, dude seemed a bit offended, lol!

[BPTactical]

If you think these regulations were drafted by local politicians you are sadly mistaken.

If you don’t think these will pass because of public disapproval again you are mistaken.

These will pass regardless of opposition just like the regulations in 2012.

The events of the last 30 days assure this.

Prepare accordingly.

[def90]

Most definitely the Boulder laws were drafter by Everytown and others and despite the fact that the turnout for the meetings was 20 to 1 anti the new laws they passed it anyway. I'm simply suggesting that residents should let it be known in an email to the council so that a public tally can be made as that will be the only way to ever do so.

Public feedback did encourage Longmont to tell Boulder to pound sand as well as Broomfield and Sheridan.

[Oscar77]

Most definitely the Boulder laws were drafter by Everytown and others and despite the fact that the turnout for the meetings was 20 to 1 anti the new laws they passed it anyway. I'm simply suggesting that residents should let it be known in an email to the council so that a public tally can be made as that will be the only way to ever do so.

Public feedback did encourage Longmont to tell Boulder to pound sand as well as Broomfield and Sheridan.

I agree.
Atleast be heard.
Fight the fight.
It probably won't make a difference except you can say you spoke up.

[eddiememphis]

https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2022/06/06/coordinated-push-local-gun-restrictions-over-a-dozen-front-range-governments-involved/

Proof of a coordinated effort to pass these laws.

Emails show coordinated push for local gun restrictions; over a dozen Front Range governments involved

[.455_Hunter]

https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2022/06/06/coordinated-push-local-gun-restrictions-over-a-dozen-front-range-governments-involved/

Proof of a coordinated effort to pass these laws.

Emails show coordinated push for local gun restrictions; over a dozen Front Range governments involved


I would say that fully fits the definition of conspiracy.

[BPTactical]

https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2022/06/06/coordinated-push-local-gun-restrictions-over-a-dozen-front-range-governments-involved/

Proof of a coordinated effort to pass these laws.

Emails show coordinated push for local gun restrictions; over a dozen Front Range governments involved

It’s fucking sickening.

[brutal]

Funny how everyone is now piping up pissed, millions of gun owners and so many just sat back and came up with excuses not to join a 2nd Amendment gun rights group. Now it's too late, they have the momentum NRA, 2nd Amendment foundation etc. Maybe none are perfect yet who else can lobby for us. Then you get the old @ss who says, I don't care... I collect M1 rifles. What do they say 100 million guns in America, then look at the NRA membership Talley. So many have road the backs of others. It now doesn't matter where you live Colorado or Wyoming we are very possibly as a group looking at some very severe restrictions.

What has the NRA (life member), or any of Dudley's groups (lifetime spam block) done to prevent any of this?

[brutal]

I would say that fully fits the definition of conspiracy.

They should all be tried, convicted, and hung for treason.

[kidicarus13]

Superior trying to up everyone with this gem:

* Anyone acquiring an ?assault weapon? after July 1 will be required to either modify the weapon to make in inoperable, surrender to Boulder authorities, transfer to a weapons dealer or remove the weapon from the town.

Maybe I'm up too late but I don't even really understand what I just read.

[brutal]

Superior trying to up everyone with this gem:

* Anyone acquiring an ?assault weapon? after July 1 will be required to either modify the weapon to make in inoperable, surrender to Boulder authorities, transfer to a weapons dealer or remove the weapon from the town.

Maybe I'm up too late but I don't even really understand what I just read.

So take out the firing pin?

LOL.

At some point, the law abiding will just begin to not comply with these silly laws.

[Little Dutch]

So take out the firing pin?

LOL.

At some point, the law abiding will just begin to not comply with these silly laws.

I'd like to believe.
However...Recent events indicate society as a whole, minus a small percentage, will abide by any silly rules the media pushes no matter how obviously agenda-driven they may be.

[Bailey Guns]

At some point, the law abiding will just begin to not comply with these silly laws.

Some started a long time ago...

[sbgixxer]

Just like California a decade ago: you were law abiding one day then with the stroke of a pen, a felon the following day through no action of your own. That kind of brainless shit is what causes the law abiding to ignore law.

[thedave1164]

90584

Just sayin

[.455_Hunter]

Just like California a decade ago: you were law abiding one day then with the stroke of a pen, a felon the following day through no action of your own. That kind of brainless shit is what causes the law abiding to ignore law.

Fortunately, none of these laws are more than municipal ordinances- tickets and fines.

[BPTactical]

Fortunately, none of these laws are more than municipal ordinances- tickets and fines.

Think again- they are weapons related offenses which will cause your 2A rights to be revoked permanently.

[.455_Hunter]

Think again- they are weapons related offenses which will cause your 2A rights to be revoked permanently.


How do you figure that one?

Local municipalities can't define felonies or misdemeanors.

[BPTactical]

Doesn’t matter if a misdemeanor or a felony, a weapons related charge is a weapons related charge.*


*as it was explained to me during the magazine ban debates.

[sbgixxer]

Hmmm, I wonder how that works. Even if it were just tickets and fines, they wouldn't allow you to keep whatever they're writing you up for, right? I would think if they discovered your Magpul 30rnd stash, they'd fine you and remove the "danger".

[68Charger]

90588
just leaving this here...

[eddiememphis]

I'd like to believe.
However...Recent events indicate society as a whole, minus a small percentage, will abide by any silly rules the media pushes no matter how obviously agenda-driven they may be.

Like one-way arrows in the grocery store?

[wctriumph]

Like one-way arrows in the grocery store?

Yes! I purposely ignored those and oh boy, the dirty looks I got the first few weeks. A Walmart “person” caught me, told me I was facing the wrong way. I turned around and walked backwards against the arrows but facing the correct way making beeping sounds. Much to the embarrassment of my wife! The Walmart person hung its head, “I give up” and moved on to patrol other isles. Other shoppers laughed …

[BPTactical]

Yes! I purposely ignored those and oh boy, the dirty looks I got the first few weeks. A Walmart “person” caught me, told me I was facing the wrong way. I turned around and walked backwards against the arrows but facing the correct way making beeping sounds. Much to the embarrassment of my wife! The Walmart person hung its head, “I give up” and moved on to patrol other isles. Other shoppers laughed …


Heathen!

[def90]

Fortunately, none of these laws are more than municipal ordinances- tickets and fines.

Violations will also end with confiscation of whatever arms they catch you with at the time.

[.455_Hunter]

Doesn?t matter if a misdemeanor or a felony, a weapons related charge is a weapons related charge.*


*as it was explained to me during the magazine ban debates.


That would only be possible as a state level law, which the 2013 mag ban was theoretically.

[eddiememphis]

https://kdvr.com/news/local/gun-laws-boulder-louisville-lafayette-superior/

The new laws passed.

[Eric P]

Ineffective. Anyone can buy an AR in Colorado and not have to wait 10 days. Not advocating breaking the law, just pointing out the obvious.

[JohnnyDrama]

I've been marinating on this. Over 2/3 of Colorado, by county, are 2A Sanctuary Counties. As said several times previously, all these politics are local - thanks to the law passed two years ago. This is virtue signaling carried to Cluster B extremes.

90601

I guess the takeaway is to be careful who you elect. At the local level.

[def90]

Well, I'm guessing it won't take long for a whackjob to decide that Boulder is an easy target again.. What did it take last time? A little over 2 years?

[.455_Hunter]

Violations will also end with confiscation of whatever arms they catch you with at the time.

I guess everyone will need to make determinations for themselves.

[hollohas]

So some municipalities are requiring 'assault weapon' registration? My guess is precisely zero people will do that.

There are still people out there that believe their God given rights are worth fighting for. At some point a patriotic American(s) is going to have his life destroyed by these BS laws and isn't going to take it lying down.

[kidicarus13]

So some municipalities are requiring 'assault weapon' registration? My guess is precisely zero people will do that.


You're far too idealistic...

In 2018, "Boulder police have certified 85 assault weapons to residents with less than a month to go before all such firearms will need to be verified or removed from the city."

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/12/09/boulder-n2537128

[Bailey Guns]

I've been marinating on this. Over 2/3 of Colorado, by county, are 2A Sanctuary Counties. As said several times previously, all these politics are local - thanks to the law passed two years ago. This is virtue signaling carried to Cluster B extremes.

90601

I guess the takeaway is to be careful who you elect. At the local level.



I like the message that counties and states are sending by designating themselves as 2A Sanctuaries. But it doesn't really mean anything. Oklahoma is a 2A Sanctuary state. The governor signed a law last year that states:


Any federal, state, county or municipal act, law, executive order, administrative order, court order, rule, policy or regulation ordering the buy-back, confiscation or surrender of firearms, firearm accessories or ammunition from law-abiding citizens of this state will also be unlawful as an infringement on the right to keep and bear arms.

Now, if the governor would send State Troopers to arrest ATF agents when/if they arrest someone for violating a bullshit federal gun law, I'd be impressed. Of course, that will never happen. I don't put much stock in the teeth of these declarations of 2A Sanctuaries.

[Martinjmpr]

The cops and prosecutors know that there are hundreds of homes of law abiding citizens that contain these now banned firearms, but they won't do anything about it.

But if they get called to a domestic disturbance and find "banned" weapons, the weapons will be confiscated and additional charges will be filed.

That's the genius of these laws. If you want to fight it in court, you have to fight on behalf of Cletus Spucker, Drunken Wife Beater.

90612

You really want Cletus to be your poster child?

[def90]

The cops and prosecutors know that there are hundreds of homes of law abiding citizens that contain these now banned firearms, but they won't do anything about it.

But if they get called to a domestic disturbance and find "banned" weapons, the weapons will be confiscated and additional charges will be filed.

That's the genius of these laws. If you want to fight it in court, you have to fight on behalf of Cletus Spucker, Drunken Wife Beater.

90612

You really want Cletus to be your poster child?


There have been a few self defense make my day law type shootings in Boulder over the last decade, I would imagine one of these scenarios would be more likely to happen now that criminals know that Boulder will be an easy target. Would be interesting to see what would happen with an AR used for self defense.

[eddiememphis]

...Would be interesting to see what would happen with an AR used for self defense.

https://theintercept.com/2022/05/26/ar-15-uvalde-school-shooting-vietnam-war/

"The AR-15 is a demon that was unleashed on foreigners during wartime and has now returned as a demon to victimize innocent Americans, including the most innocent among us. A machine designed for the mass killing and maiming of other people- a design that had nothing to do with hunting or sportsmanship- should not be on American streets. At the minimum, no one in public life should be allowed to deny what it really does."

Can't happen.

The AR platform was designed to slaughter as many innocents as possible, as quickly as possible.

It is not possible to use one for any other purpose, especially self-defense.

You haven't been paying attention. Good thing you're not in charge.

[JohnnyDrama]

The cops and prosecutors know that there are hundreds of homes of law abiding citizens that contain these now banned firearms, but they won't do anything about it.

But if they get called to a domestic disturbance and find "banned" weapons, the weapons will be confiscated and additional charges will be filed.

That's the genius of these laws. If you want to fight it in court, you have to fight on behalf of Cletus Spucker, Drunken Wife Beater.

90612

You really want Cletus to be your poster child?

That's a good point. But....

If Chief Wiggum decides to lock Cletus up for slapping Brandine around, wouldn't that make Cletus a prohibited person? I'm not trying to take this off topic. I was wondering about the redundancy of laws, especially "feel good" kind that don't do much. Law abiding people won't generally run afoul of the law, and criminals will ignore it.

I'm only thinking about this aspect of this conversation. I get the idea of going to bed one night being law abiding and waking up the next day a criminal.

[Martinjmpr]

That's a good point. But....

If Chief Wiggum decides to lock Cletus up for slapping Brandine around, wouldn't that make Cletus a prohibited person? I'm not trying to take this off topic. I was wondering about the redundancy of laws, especially "feel good" kind that don't do much. Law abiding people won't generally run afoul of the law, and criminals will ignore it.

I'm only thinking about this aspect of this conversation. I get the idea of going to bed one night being law abiding and waking up the next day a criminal.

The point I'm making is that any organization that wants to fight these AW ban laws is going to have to defend some very unsavory characters in order to do it.

The cops aren't going to lock up a doctor or a little league coach for these violations. They are going to lock up drunks, wife beaters, druggies, ex-cons, etc. The doctor, the schoolteacher, the retired cop - they're all going to get a pass.

That's what I'm saying when I say these laws are genius. Because they won't be enforced against leading citizens whose prosecution would show these laws to be unreasonable. The laws will only be enforced where that enforcement is virtually unchallengeable by any reasonable person or organization.

It's like the magazine ban. I'll bet there are thousands if not tens of thousands of Colorado shooters who are in possession of high capacity magazines that they did not possess on 7/1/13 as the law requires in order for them to be "grandfathered" in. But nobody is kicking in their doors and prosecuting them because it serves no purpose to do so. But if a scuzzy biker is arrested with a pound of meth and a couple of high capacity magazines, the mag charge will be bundled in with all the rest and nobody's going to defend his scuzzy ass on Constitutional grounds.

[kidicarus13]

The point I'm making is that any organization that wants to fight these AW ban laws is going to have to defend some very unsavory characters in order to do it.

The cops aren't going to lock up a doctor or a little league coach for these violations. They are going to lock up drunks, wife beaters, druggies, ex-cons, etc. The doctor, the schoolteacher, the retired cop - they're all going to get a pass.

That's what I'm saying when I say these laws are genius. Because they won't be enforced against leading citizens whose prosecution would show these laws to be unreasonable. The laws will only be enforced where that enforcement is virtually unchallengeable by any reasonable person or organization.

It's like the magazine ban. I'll bet there are thousands if not tens of thousands of Colorado shooters who are in possession of high capacity magazines that they did not possess on 7/1/13 as the law requires in order for them to be "grandfathered" in. But nobody is kicking in their doors and prosecuting them because it serves no purpose to do so. But if a scuzzy biker is arrested with a pound of meth and a couple of high capacity magazines, the mag charge will be bundled in with all the rest and nobody's going to defend his scuzzy ass on Constitutional grounds.I have to say, I believe that to be spot on.

[Bailey Guns]

The point I'm making is that any organization that wants to fight these AW ban laws is going to have to defend some very unsavory characters in order to do it.

The cops aren't going to lock up a doctor or a little league coach for these violations. They are going to lock up drunks, wife beaters, druggies, ex-cons, etc. The doctor, the schoolteacher, the retired cop - they're all going to get a pass.

That's what I'm saying when I say these laws are genius. Because they won't be enforced against leading citizens whose prosecution would show these laws to be unreasonable. The laws will only be enforced where that enforcement is virtually unchallengeable by any reasonable person or organization.

It's like the magazine ban. I'll bet there are thousands if not tens of thousands of Colorado shooters who are in possession of high capacity magazines that they did not possess on 7/1/13 as the law requires in order for them to be "grandfathered" in. But nobody is kicking in their doors and prosecuting them because it serves no purpose to do so. But if a scuzzy biker is arrested with a pound of meth and a couple of high capacity magazines, the mag charge will be bundled in with all the rest and nobody's going to defend his scuzzy ass on Constitutional grounds.


I don't necessarily disagree with your message but I'd point out that the bold part occurs on occasion. Not always gun related but lots of people say things or do things that we don't like - and frequently find extremely at odds with our own beliefs - but we defend their right to say these things or do these things because they're protected by the same set of rights as guns. Another reason so few people are charged with the mag law violation is because it's a horrible law and everyone knows it. But you're right...if it can be added to the charges for some dirtbag, it will.

[Great-Kazoo]

The point I'm making is that any organization that wants to fight these AW ban laws is going to have to defend some very unsavory characters in order to do it.

The cops aren't going to lock up a doctor or a little league coach for these violations. They are going to lock up drunks, wife beaters, druggies, ex-cons, etc. The doctor, the schoolteacher, the retired cop - they're all going to get a pass.

That's what I'm saying when I say these laws are genius. Because they won't be enforced against leading citizens whose prosecution would show these laws to be unreasonable. The laws will only be enforced where that enforcement is virtually unchallengeable by any reasonable person or organization.

It's like the magazine ban. I'll bet there are thousands if not tens of thousands of Colorado shooters who are in possession of high capacity magazines that they did not possess on 7/1/13 as the law requires in order for them to be "grandfathered" in. But nobody is kicking in their doors and prosecuting them because it serves no purpose to do so. But if a scuzzy biker is arrested with a pound of meth and a couple of high capacity magazines, the mag charge will be bundled in with all the rest and nobody's going to defend his scuzzy ass on Constitutional grounds.



Not debating anything other than the bold / highlighted sentences.

For those who actually believe that. I suggest a review of R.I.C.O . Instituted (originally) to combat "outlaw (1%) MC clubs. Morphed in to the KofC, Little League, barbershop, betting pools and poker nights.

Another law abused for whose ever political points were needed to win elections, among other things. Just like those confiscation laws, morphed in to any and everything, not nailed down.

[def90]

Here’s a scenario.. I’m 51 and single and partake in the dating scene here in Boulder and around the general metro area. So I’m having margs on the rooftop at the Rio and I start talking to some girl and we’re having a great time, eventually we end up at my place. A few days later she wants to go out again but I say that I’m not interested in moving that direction. She gets upset and places a bogus assault charge or red flag on me. The cops come and do their investigation and eventually over a period of time all charges are dropped and so on. In this period of time due to the bogus domestic or the red flag my guns have been removed from my home, the city now knows I have them and in fact is in possession of them, I do not have the required “certificates”.. the city isn’t going to give them back.

[eddiememphis]

Here’s a scenario.. ...the city now knows I have them and in fact is in possession of them, I do not have the required “certificates”.. the city isn’t going to give them back.

Correct. You are in violation of the law, if there is no grandfather clause. Turn in your guns or leave. Seems pretty clear to me.

And, by what you just posted here, you cannot claim ignorance or the law.

What can be done about it? I hate to sound fatalistic, but the likely answer is nothing.

Watch tonight's news to see how many showed up for the organized anti-gun marches across Colorado today versus how many pro-gun activists showed up at city council meetings.

[eddiememphis]

https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2022/06/11/longmont-to-start-gun-safety-talks-would-be-fifth-boulder-county-municipality-to-restrict-rights/

Looks like Longmont is riding the anti-gun wave as its neighboring municipalities have.

Longmont City Council has scheduled a "pre session" (the term used by Longmont for work session) for Tuesday at 5:30 p.m. on "Discussion Related to Gun Safety Laws."

[.455_Hunter]

https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2022/06/11/longmont-to-start-gun-safety-talks-would-be-fifth-boulder-county-municipality-to-restrict-rights/

Looks like Longmont is riding the anti-gun wave as its neighboring municipalities have.

Longmont City Council has scheduled a "pre session" (the term used by Longmont for work session) for Tuesday at 5:30 p.m. on "Discussion Related to Gun Safety Laws."


We will see if the somewhat different demographics make any difference.

[eddiememphis]

We will see if the somewhat different demographics make any difference.

Unlikely since it is not up for a public vote. Council members can vote however they want regardless of the will of the people.

[Bailey Guns]

We will see if the somewhat different demographics make any difference.

Demographics don't matter if they're all liberals.

ETA: It's kinda funny here... I occasionally read an article or commentary written by one of the few (relatively speaking) liberals in Oklahoma. They're constantly bitching and lamenting about how conservatives have such a stranglehold on the state and every political office in the state.

[.455_Hunter]

Unlikely since it is not up for a public vote. Council members can vote however they want regardless of the will of the people.

Because of demographics, the Longmont City Council may not be made-up totally of Progressive Karens. I have no idea...

[.455_Hunter]

Demographics don't matter if they're all liberals.

ETA: It's kinda funny here... I occasionally read an article or commentary written by one of the few (relatively speaking) liberals in Oklahoma. They're constantly bitching and lamenting about how conservatives have such a stranglehold on the state and every political office in the state.

I put my address into some form of a "know your government" website and every position from the lowest local bureaucrat to Uncle Joe himself was a Democrat. Lovely...

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The same laws came up for discussion years ago after Boulder passed their original law and it was shit canned pretty fast. Will have to see what happens this time.

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The same laws came up for discussion years ago after Boulder passed their original law and it was shit canned pretty fast. Will have to see what happens this time.

I am really disappointed but not surprised to see it on the Longmont schedule for discussion. Hopefully this fails again. Longmont has very high gun ownership rates in the neighborhoods I have lived. This would easily fail if voted on as a package by the public.

Edit: Last time this came up, I spoke with my council member and they were clearly in the camp of this just being a political stunt with no real world positive impact. They were in favor of the laws but knew it was meaningless at the local level and expected it would hurt their re-election. Hopefully the equation hasn?t changed.