View Full Version : Stupidity comes to Longmont now
BPTactical
06-11-2022, 20:38
JFC
If Louisville, Lafayette, Superior and Boulder weren?t enough?
https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2022/06/11/longmont-to-start-gun-safety-talks-would-be-fifth-boulder-county-municipality-to-restrict-rights/
electronman1729
06-11-2022, 21:51
Liberalism spreading like a disease.
theGinsue
06-11-2022, 21:56
Liberalism spreading like a disease.
And Communism spreads even faster.
Feelgood BS laws that won't do one damn thing except make criminals out of law abiding people.
Bailey Guns
06-12-2022, 06:59
LOL... It's not "coming". It's been there for a long time. They're just not hiding it any longer. And they've been empowered by the state. So what do you guys expect?
I imagine there’s a lot of criminals in those cities now… so dumb
Seamonkey
06-12-2022, 09:03
"Councilmembers from some of the other local governments have reached out to Complete Colorado concerned about their communities being listed. It appears talks are not being conducted with the full knowledge of all the elected representatives."
Shocker!
That?s how they spread their ideas; hidden from view, in the shadows, and away from the light of truth.
They?ll obfuscate what they?re doing with some clever name game. Once people discover what it?s really about, they'll change the name to hide their true intentions.
Martinjmpr
06-13-2022, 09:14
Longmont was settled by lefties who couldn't afford to live in Boulder a couple of decades ago. So this is no surprise.
Longmont is basically Boulder except that it's easier to find a place to park. ;)
whitewalrus
06-13-2022, 10:43
Longmont was settled by lefties who couldn't afford to live in Boulder a couple of decades ago. So this is no surprise.
Longmont is basically Boulder except that it's easier to find a place to park. ;)
This is the truth. Those in Longmont are no longer the rural types, they are just those who couldn?t afford to live in Boulder.
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Interesting because Weld County is 2A Sanctuary.
https://www.weldgov.com/News-articles/2019-News/Weld-Passes-2nd-Amendment-Sanctuary-County-Resolution
Part of Longmont is in Weld.
But I do find it ironic the BCSO and Longmont PD have their shared shooting range in unincorporated Weld County....
.455_Hunter
06-13-2022, 16:33
This is the truth. Those in Longmont are no longer the rural types, they are just those who couldn?t afford to live in Boulder.
How many people do you personally know who live in Longmont?
eddiememphis
06-13-2022, 16:47
That?s how they spread their ideas; hidden from view, in the shadows, and away from the light of truth.
They?ll obfuscate what they?re doing with some clever name game. Once people discover what it?s really about, they'll change the name to hide their true intentions.
Not really. They have in the summary of the upcoming meeting everyone's name plus the presentations from Giffords that has laws written down for municipalities to use. It includes the laws 4 other cities have passed.
https://www.rallyforourrights.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Packet_20220611000306344.pdf
RblDiver
06-14-2022, 05:54
Guess I have my plans for this evening. Gotta go oppose some stupidity.
zimagold
06-14-2022, 21:03
Attended the main council meeting.
First 1hr 30min, community comments, 4 in favor of new ordnances, 24 against. 2 of 4 in favor appeared to not be from Longmont. I say appeared, because Mayor conveniently forgot to ask their addresses. She was very insistent with the 2A supporters.
Good show from the community, full house and respectful. Why I like living here.
BPTactical
06-14-2022, 21:21
Thank you Zima, hope it does some good.
.455_Hunter
06-14-2022, 21:32
Attended the main council meeting.
First 1hr 30min, community comments, 4 in favor of new ordnances, 24 against. 2 of 4 in favor appeared to not be from Longmont. I say appeared, because Mayor conveniently forgot to ask their addresses. She was very insistent with the 2A supporters.
Good show from the community, full house and respectful. Why I like living here.
Don't you love the hypocrite games they play?
I would have also asked the origins of the proposed ordinances and how verbiage is somehow magically uniform from municipality to municipality- a discussion of conspiracy being very appropriate.
Sounds like it went reasonably well given the circumstances.
RblDiver
06-14-2022, 21:37
Was at the premeeting, then watched the regular meeting from home. Majority at the start were opposed to new regulations, majority at the end were in favor (and one weird guy ranting about...something). From the premeeting, it seemed like two were generally opposed, two in favor, one I dunno, and one absent. The mayor had a dumb rant about how "arms" were never defined. One woman opposed had the right idea, that people could just go a few more minutes away to avoid the regulations, and the rest were not really enforceable. She said from her convos with the other cities, Longmont seems to be the only one concerned with enforcement.
The one they seem closer to agreeing on is banning open carry. I plan to email them to say they need to see if that's constitutional, because you have to pay for CCW permit, which is akin to poll tax, etc.
This is going to be a clisterf$&k. How in the world is a normal person supposed to know each and every law for every city and county and the exact borders for each to know if they are breaking any laws.
This is going to be a clisterf$&k. How in the world is a normal person supposed to know each and every law for every city and county and the exact borders for each to know if they are breaking any laws.
That's a feature, not a problem in their minds.
O2
BPTactical
06-15-2022, 07:05
This is going to be a clisterf$&k. How in the world is a normal person supposed to know each and every law for every city and county and the exact borders for each to know if they are breaking any laws.
As designed.
Similar to BATFE regs they are so ambiguous and convoluted that it will be nearly impossible to be compliant in all situations.
The front range is about to become virtually impossible to live in if your a firearms owner.
As noted above- a "feature".
The thing I want to know is this- what Everytown/Giffords et al promised to these municipalities in return for pushing this crap through?
I believe there is some validity to the fact of being a concerted effort to deny lawful citizens their Rights and Property and as such may find substantial legal hurdles.
But what do we lose in the meantime?
eddiememphis
06-15-2022, 08:29
...I would have also asked the origins of the proposed ordinances and how verbiage is somehow magically uniform from municipality to municipality- a discussion of conspiracy being very appropriate...
Giffords has full time lawyers on staff that write the proposals for various municipalities.
...The thing I want to know is this- what Everytown/Giffords et al promised to these municipalities in return for pushing this crap through?...
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/giffords-pac/C00540443/summary/2020
$11,124,384 in 2020.
.455_Hunter
06-15-2022, 08:51
Giffords has full time lawyers on staff that write the proposals for various municipalities.
Interesting that they claim the speakers at the hearings must be local residents, but the ordinance is question is written by a nationwide hate group. Still doesn't change the coordinated conspiracy by municipalities to violate the civil rights of citizens.
This is going to be a clisterf$&k. How in the world is a normal person supposed to know each and every law for every city and county and the exact borders for each to know if they are breaking any laws.
Well, that is why the pre-emption law was "off statewide concern"...
Maybe Dudley's group could file lawsuits trying to get the removal of pre-emption laws gone since it truly is of statewide concern to have uniform laws that people know...?
Of course that would have nothing to do with being anti-gay....so probably not under consideration by RMGO. Yes I used to contribute the RMGO.... but I want to support 2A organizations that are dedicated to 2A.
As designed.
Similar to BATFE regs they are so ambiguous and convoluted that it will be nearly impossible to be compliant in all situations.
The front range is about to become virtually impossible to live in if your a firearms owner.
As noted above- a "feature".
The thing I want to know is this- what Everytown/Giffords et al promised to these municipalities in return for pushing this crap through?
I believe there is some validity to the fact of being a concerted effort to deny lawful citizens their Rights and Property and as such may find substantial legal hurdles.
But what do we lose in the meantime?
If you are honest, every American commits many felonies on a regular basis. Try reading the tax code if you don't believe me. One part Says you must do X or it is illegal, the next section says if you do X it is illegal.
There are some nay federal, state, local laws on the books you dont even come close to knowing what laws you break on a regular basis. It is just want the sovereigns want to prosecute.
DireWolf
06-15-2022, 13:09
...One part Says you must do X or it is illegal, the next section says if you do X it is illegal...
Not doubting you at all, but was wondering if there are any specific references that you can share? (I'm assuming from 26 and/or 18 USC?)
If you can point to some specific contradictory section references in the current code, that might be helpful related to something I'm working on related to this topic....
(feel free to send via pm if more comfortable with that)
eddiememphis
06-17-2022, 08:51
https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2022/06/17/longmont-city-council-to-consider-multiple-gun-rights-restricting-ordinances/
Complete Colorado's take on the June 14 meeting.
"The Longmont City Council will bring forward five gun-rights restricting ordinances after a work session on the topic was held June 14.
Mayor Joan Peck asked city staff to draft ordinances that would ban open carry in Longmont city limits, require a 10-day waiting period for possession of all new “weapon” purchases, increase the legal age to purchase any “weapon” to 21, prohibit so-called ghost guns (guns without serial numbers), and require signs on all municipal buildings banning guns on property."
.455_Hunter
06-17-2022, 12:04
Gotta love the term "culture change", where they mean "your culture" and not "their culture".
Not doubting you at all, but was wondering if there are any specific references that you can share? (I'm assuming from 26 and/or 18 USC?)
If you can point to some specific contradictory section references in the current code, that might be helpful related to something I'm working on related to this topic....
(feel free to send via pm if more comfortable with that)
Look at your tax return as an example.
You sign sign saying “to the best of your knowledge” it is correct.
Then look at what the IRS does if they think you owe more money.
Do you know all the tax code? (Hint no one does)
So one way to stop some of this insanity.
Who enforces these laws? Police.
Maybe gun stores should stop selling to the police departments in cities that implement these laws.
Or if they PDs in these jurisdictions want ammo… charge the PD a $999 per round “lost revenue
Liberals like fees…
.455_Hunter
07-20-2022, 05:30
While Council members did not comment during the public portion of Tuesday’s meeting on their conversation in executive session, Councilwoman Marcia Martin said in a separate interview Tuesday that she was more in favor of enacting gun laws, now, than she was when the City Council initially discussed the topic at a pre-session on June 14.
At the time, Martin did not think a citywide ordinance regulating firearms would be impactful given that several other towns, cities and counties, especially those east of Longmont, would likely never consider similar legislation.
However, after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a New York state law that placed restrictions on carrying a concealed handgun in public and in the wake of the Fourth of July mass shooting in Highland Park, Ill., that left seven people dead and many more injured, Martin said she was “mad.”
“I’m probably going to vote for all of the restrictions except anything having to do with concealed carry because … the city can’t afford litigation,” Martin said. “I’ve moved closer in my opinions to Moms Demand Action. My feeling is, at this point, it’s necessary to send a message that gun culture’s not welcome here.”
To those who live in Longmont, you might want to inform Councilwoman Martin of your thoughts on her statement. To her, "gun culture" is anything not aligned manic hoplophobic view of an armed citizenry.
The city can't afford litigation? Let them pass the most restrictive bans they can come up with and then litigate the hell out of that...
:p
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