View Full Version : Colorado's magazine ban is being challenged
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/nfgr-sues-colorado-challenging-the-2013-high-capacity-magazine-bans-constitutionality/
https://rmgo.org/about-us/rm/rocky-mountain-gun-owners-legal-arm-sues-to-overturn-the-2013-standard-capacity-magazine-ban/
...let's hope they bring a better lawyer to court this time...
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BPTactical
07-29-2022, 12:16
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/nfgr-sues-colorado-challenging-the-2013-high-capacity-magazine-bans-constitutionality/
https://rmgo.org/about-us/rm/rocky-mountain-gun-owners-legal-arm-sues-to-overturn-the-2013-standard-capacity-magazine-ban/
...let's hope they bring a better lawyer to court this time...
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https://youtu.be/gXK6C2rPm1E
Zundfolge
07-29-2022, 12:51
If they take down the mag ban, I'll officially forgive Dudley ... who I blame for the mag ban in the first place (yeah, I'm sure they would have got around to it eventually, but he handed the state senate to the D's because one R wouldn't kiss his ring ... so f that guy).
I still won't ever give him any money, but if RMGO takes down the mag ban I'll stop shitting on him every time someone mentions him.
At least it is in the federal court this time.
Last time, RMGO filing it in the state court (8/9 progressive appointments) is the equivalent of a Ukrainian suing Russia inside a Russian court for the Russian war. That's a great way to "shoot" yourself in the foot. This time, it depends who the judges are...
TEAMRICO
07-29-2022, 22:16
….I’m tired of using ten round mags.
….I’m tired of using ten round mags.
For most uses my favorite AR mag size is 20 round.
30/40 get in the way because of length when doing most of my shooting.
10 are too short to grab onto and yank if there is a malfunction (such as the user putting 11 rounds because the user can’t count in and then slamming the mag home)
?.I?m tired of using ten round mags.
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battlemidget
07-30-2022, 10:20
20rd mags make it easier to sleep on your rifle, so I've been told.
I use 30 round mags but make sure to load them one round short.. ;)
It would be nice to be able to order antique WW2 magazines again.
Arbitrary capacity limits are silly.
Glock 19 with fifteen round magazines are hunky dory.
CZ-75 with a factory sixteen round magazine is an evil, baby killer because it holds exactly one more round than the Glock 19.
tactical_2012
08-09-2022, 19:23
Any updates or when this us supposed to go to court
Any updates or when this us supposed to go to court
It's a more-freedom case, so probably sometime in 2028.
If it was to restrict your rights, it would have been heard by now.
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https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/64453331/v-gates/
To keep up to date
doodguybro
09-12-2022, 14:04
So hard to find the dang CZ mags! Brownells has some 75 15 rounders, but the follower stinks so I swapped them with OEM ones, and have 15 round legal high quality mags for about $30. Not too shabby!
Rucker61
09-13-2022, 14:11
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/64453331/v-gates/
To keep up to date
Any idea what this means:
"MINUTE ORDER: In light of the Withdrawal of Motion for Temporary Restraining Order 22 filed by Plaintiffs, the Order to Show Cause 21 is hereby DISCHARGED, and Plaintiffs' Motion for Temporary Restraining Order and for Preliminary Injunction ("Motion") 9 is deemed WITHDRAWN insofar as Plaintiffs seek a temporary restraining order therein. The court reserves all issues and arguments in the Motion with respect to Plaintiffs' request for a preliminary injunction. All deadlines remain set. By Judge Nina Y. Wang on 9/6/2022. Text Only Entry (nywlc3, ) (Entered: 09/06/2022)"
funkymonkey1111
09-13-2022, 15:24
Any idea what this means:
"MINUTE ORDER: In light of the Withdrawal of Motion for Temporary Restraining Order 22 filed by Plaintiffs, the Order to Show Cause 21 is hereby DISCHARGED, and Plaintiffs' Motion for Temporary Restraining Order and for Preliminary Injunction ("Motion") 9 is deemed WITHDRAWN insofar as Plaintiffs seek a temporary restraining order therein. The court reserves all issues and arguments in the Motion with respect to Plaintiffs' request for a preliminary injunction. All deadlines remain set. By Judge Nina Y. Wang on 9/6/2022. Text Only Entry (nywlc3, ) (Entered: 09/06/2022)"
it means the plaintiffs (NAGR) withdrew its motion for a temporary restraining order which requested the Court prohibit Colorado from enforcing the mag ban.
Rucker61
09-14-2022, 08:29
it means the plaintiffs (NAGR) withdrew its motion for a temporary restraining order which requested the Court prohibit Colorado from enforcing the mag ban.
That's what I thought. So where does that leave us?
.455_Hunter
09-14-2022, 08:42
I am not sure how a temporary restraining order (withdrawn) compares to a preliminary injunction (requested).
Paging legal eagles...
battlemidget
09-14-2022, 10:25
Maybe they're in shock that we dropped our first game with Russel on Monday night?
I am not sure how a temporary restraining order (withdrawn) compares to a preliminary injunction (requested).
Paging legal eagles...
A TRO is normally only a short (14 days?) order to allow the court to hear initial arguments.
The last in the list states:
"Specifically, Defendant represents that the Parties concur that a surreply is a mutually-agreeable means to address Plaintiffs' anticipated arguments. The hearing scheduled for November 17 and 18, 2022"
I think they are just going through the legal system. The State's argument would have been "we have had this in place 9 years... why does a TRO matter at this point... keep the status quo"
The state ban has been in place, the TRo against the cities are new laws that don't maintain the status quo.
But very interestingly in BoCo they have been enjoined from enforcing "large capacity magazines". Does this mean that the in BoCo the DA cannot prosecute a 30 round magazine state law? (i dunnoi.. not an attorney) but BoCo has an enforcing magazines.
The order states:
"It is FURTHER ORDERED that the Motion for Temporary Restraining Order is GRANTED as to Ordinance No. 2022-5 regarding assault weapons and large-capacity magazines and Defendant is hereby RESTRAINED from enforcing it as to these categories."
?Large-capacity magazine? or ?LCD? means any ammunition feeding device with the
capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the
following:"
So can BoCo enforce a 30 round magazine ban (state law) at this time?
Do these ongoing mag ban cases have any implications for the state-wide ban?
Its pretty hard to get uncommon mags for AUGs or PS90 :(
OctopusHighball
09-16-2022, 04:49
Do these ongoing mag ban cases have any implications for the state-wide ban?
Its pretty hard to get uncommon mags for AUGs or PS90 :(
For the PS90, get a ten rounder and a hack saw (the springs are all the same, regardless of round count).
I had totally forgotten about the 10 rounders...
MINUTE ORDER: In light of the Withdrawal of Motion for Temporary Restraining Order 22 filed by Plaintiffs, the Order to Show Cause 21 is hereby DISCHARGED, and Plaintiffs' Motion for Temporary Restraining Order and for Preliminary Injunction ("Motion") 9 is deemed WITHDRAWN
It means the Plaintiffs cancelled their own motion for a TRO that would have restrained the state until a hearing for a temporary injunction could be heard. They also canceled their own motion for the temporary injunction. So there is no effect on the status quo until after judgment is entered, if any.
MINUTE ORDER: In light of the Withdrawal of Motion for Temporary Restraining Order 22 filed by Plaintiffs, the Order to Show Cause 21 is hereby DISCHARGED, and Plaintiffs' Motion for Temporary Restraining Order and for Preliminary Injunction ("Motion") 9 is deemed WITHDRAWN
It means the Plaintiffs cancelled their own motion for a TRO that would have restrained the state until a hearing for a temporary injunction could be heard. They also canceled their own motion for the temporary injunction. So there is no effect on the status quo until after judgment is entered, if any.
There's the Dudley we know!
Anyone seen the new Heller Decission?
theGinsue
09-18-2022, 09:02
Anyone seen the new Heller Decission?
No, hadn't even heard about it. Can you enlighten us?
No, hadn't even heard about it. Can you enlighten us?
Heller vs DC over mag capacity limits for CC
Another Win for Dick Heller: DC Repeals Limit on Rounds Carried by Permit Holders (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/another-win-for-dick-heller-dc-repeals-limit-on-rounds-carried-by-permit-holders/)
Heller vs DC over mag capacity limits for CC
Another Win for Dick Heller: DC Repeals Limit on Rounds Carried by Permit Holders (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/another-win-for-dick-heller-dc-repeals-limit-on-rounds-carried-by-permit-holders/)
It appears it's not a mag capacity limit that's repealed, and they still have 10 round mag limits. It's just that they can now carry more than 20 rounds total on their person.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-19-2022, 12:09
Wasn?t it also a number of ?mags?, so 20 rounds max, but just two back up ?mags?- So if you gun with moon clips, you wouldn?t get to 20 in any way. Not sure if they meant rounds in a gun, and one reload, or two reloads.
Anyway you put it, if you mags had 10 or more rounds, you?d have to download the second mag. (Plus/minus if the you could have 10+1, +10, or would you have to download the second mag to +9.)
I don?t know why Heller is even negotiating with them. If they pull the laws without a court ruling, it does nothing since they can just put it back in place later. We need court rulings to have chance of keeping these laws off the books now and in the future.
It appears it's not a mag capacity limit that's repealed, and they still have 10 round mag limits. It's just that they can now carry more than 20 rounds total on their person.
That rule was DC specific. As far as I know, no state has any limitation on the amount of ammo someone can carry on their person, although a few states prohibit hollowpoint ammo.
That rule was DC specific. As far as I know, no state has any limitation on the amount of ammo someone can carry on their person, although a few states prohibit hollowpoint ammo.
I don't understand why you are pointing that out. My response was specifically related to the DC repeal.
It would be nice to be able to order antique WW2 magazines again.
This. I need a 25 round mag for a MG33 that I can modify and use an Egyptian gun that I use for target shooting.
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