No More Gasoline Cars

[eddiememphis]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/26/washington-gas-car-ban-sales

California has banned sales of new gasoline powered cars starting 2035. Washington and Massachusetts have followed suit.

I am certain Colorado will follow that lead, the only question is how soon.

If the legislature continues being Democrat controlled, my guess is during the next session.

Place your bets.

Edit to add- In 2018 Colorado passed a law requiring the state to follow California emission laws.

[Scanker19]

California also thinks bees are fish, so….

[TRnCO]

it'll be a good day to be a used car salesman, at least until they ban the sale of all used cars. Freakin' kooks galore.

[ruthabagah]

Ford is shuttering new ICE development and letting go of most of the dev staff in this area… same with pretty much all the other car manufacturers in the world. Gasoline powered car will be impossible to own in all of Europe by 2035, my guess, it will be the same thing here by 2040.

[eddiememphis]

it'll be a good day to be a used car salesman, at least until they ban the sale of all used cars. Freakin' kooks galore.

That won't happen.

It would be seen as discrimination against the poor. What will happen instead is the price of gasoline will become too expensive due to onerous taxes and the lack of demand slowing production. This will force the working class to public transit which can be very closely monitored and controlled.

And thus more beholden to our (hopefully) generous overlords.

[hollohas]

Gas cars will be the exclusive toy for the rich in the future.

[ray1970]

Gas cars will be the exclusive toy for the rich in the future.

Lucky for me I?ll probably be too old to drive by 2035 or 2040 anyways but sitting around the nursing home during a random, rolling blackout due to overwhelming electricity demands that can?t be met is going to suck. Not only will it make watching YouTube or surfing the internet impossible but any equipment that may be keeping me alive isn?t going to be functioning until the electricity comes back on they shut off the grid to a different location.

[fj605]

Price of gasoline is expected to jump $0.20-.50 per gallon in 2024 as Colorado will require a different gasoline blend to meet EPA rules.

https://www.axios.com/local/denver/2022/08/29/gas-prices-denver-increase-epa-air-quality

[T. B. Turner]

I wonder if big oil will fight this. It would be a huge loss in profits for them

[crays]

Gas cars will be the exclusive toy for the rich in the future.


https://youtu.be/FAvQSkK8Z8U

[BPTactical]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/26/washington-gas-car-ban-sales

California has banned sales of new gasoline powered cars starting 2035. Washington and Massachusetts have followed suit.

I am certain Colorado will follow that lead, the only question is how soon.

If the legislature continues being Democrat controlled, my guess is during the next session.

Place your bets.

Edit to add- In 2018 Colorado passed a law requiring the state to follow California emission laws.



Any state that signed into C.A.R.B. mandates is bound by this edict:
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Washington D.C.

Also to correct your statement "Edit to add". This was not a law that was passed, this was a parting gift from J Hickenlooper just before he left office who signed CO into the C.A.R.B. "Agreement".

May eternal fuck be upon him and his ilk.
I would love to see this challenged but with the liberal cock gobblers, gash lickers and trannies we have in all critical offices of the state there is no chance.

[theGinsue]

Does anyone else hear think that the writers of the movie Demolition Man were fortune tellers?

Mandated PC and cancel cultures, electric only vehicles... I only hope all of our restaurants don't become Taco Bell's.

[TEAMRICO]

Does anyone else hear think that the writers of the movie Demolition Man were fortune tellers?

Mandated PC and cancel cultures, electric only vehicles... I only hope all of our restaurants don't become Taco Bell's.

If there are only Taco Bell’s there will be no shortage of gas! The sewer systems will be the problem.

[Sawin]

Haven?t they realized the power grid can?t handle this yet? not for a hella long time. Better be willing to go nuclear.

[Singlestack]

Haven?t they realized the power grid can?t handle this yet? not for a hella long time. Better be willing to go nuclear.

As weve seen, the libs couldn't care less about the power grid. Rolling blackouts are just fine, wherever they happen. Oh, you can't use your AC? Well, thats just the price of progress.

[Baetis]

Not just cars but all fossil fuels. We get more LEED points for a heat pump with electric strip heat makeup air unit than a natural gas fired unit. I also recently reviewed some drawings for a hotel/conference center development,and they have (3) 490 kW electric boilers at 480 volts, selected for the heating plant. The electric service for this place is going to be huge. Absolutely crazy. I have heard energy consultants say that until the power generated is at least 60% renewables, preferably 70%, it is better to run a high efficient condensing gas boiler over electric. This forced electrification is going to really suck in a few years?..


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[hollohas]

Haven?t they realized the power grid can?t handle this yet? not for a hella long time. Better be willing to go nuclear.Not only can't it handle it yet, it is going in the wrong direction. They are actively and aggressively CLOSING power plants. I haven't looked into the rest of the country, but Colorado specifically will have closed the vast majority of our current coal plants before 2030.

[D_F]

Not only can't it handle it yet, it is going in the wrong direction. They are actively and aggressively CLOSING power plants. I haven't looked into the rest of the country, but Colorado specifically will have closed the vast majority of our current coal plants before 2030.

The centralization of power generation seems like a huge mistake. I can think of at least 3 powerplants closed on the west slope recently, and a fourth scheduled for closure.

[eddiememphis]

Hydrogen will still be allowed.

The electrical problem could partially be solved by SMRs- Small Modular Reactors. There are fuel pellets that last longer than traditional fuel and are meltdown-proof.

https://x-energy.com/fuel/triso-x

[BushMasterBoy]

I figure the whole car thing will be solar powered. EV's will be mainstream. Going to Walmart will be the electric car. Going to granmas in Florida take the gas car or diesel. 20% of my neighborhood has huge solar arrays in their back yard.
If I could take a high speed electric train to DIA, I would use it. Not having a solar powered high speed train along the Front Range is silly. Even the rail could be made here using solar powered steel mills...all the groundwork resources are already here locally.


https://www.cpr.org/2022/02/02/pueblo-solar-powered-steel-mill-evraz/

https://www.ttci.tech/

[Gman]

Going all electric for new cars by 2035 is a pipe dream.

If they don't keep bumping the dates out as they approach, we'll start to look like Cuba, with a lot of really old cars on the road.

[rondog]

Not gonna happen in my lifetime - better chance of seeing monkeys fly out of my ass. Or going bowling with Elvis and Jesus.

[zteknik]

Going all electric for new cars by 2035 is a pipe dream.

If they don't keep bumping the dates out as they approach, we'll start to look like Cuba, with a lot of really old cars on the road.
The Obama cash for clunkers ruined that and drove used car prices through the roof.

[BushMasterBoy]

The first Model T trucks were run on alcohol to farm sugar plantations. There was not a gas station on every corner. I already have most of the components to build a still. I already screw the utility companies by burning wood for heat all winter. I use a window unit swamp cooler for cooling the house. I rarely use the central A/C. Banning gas cars is just another market manipulation. Fat cats on Wall Street using money to repress the working class through legislation.

[rondog]

IMO, the whole electric vehicle/windmill farms/Green Movement BS is just another way for politicians and other rich assholes to get richer by investing in the "technology". Buying as it skyrockets, and when it all comes crashing down - they'll be there on the short side too, raking in cash both directions.

[eddiememphis]

I'd say there are more factions than that.

There are the true believers, much like the hippies that chain themselves to trees.

There are those that capitalize on it, like any trend.

And there are the politicians that are looking for more control over people's lives, since they went to the fancy schools and of course know better than the rest of us.

There is some overlap in the latter two. But they both exploit the tree hugger's noble goal of a cleaner planet.

I am all for clean water and air. The question few ask and fewer answer is if achieving the goal is worth the cost. The answer, especially when the federal government is involved, is usually no.

[hollohas]

California utilities are asking customers to avoid charging their EVs today to conserve electricity. Nice.

On a similar note, people in Colorado with xcel's "Saver's switch" got an ugly surprise last night when their home's thermostats were remotely set to 85deg and couldn't be overridden in an effort to save electricity.

We're so screwed.

[sbgixxer]

Did not enjoy that surprise. Previous years, I only had it cut in for a short time after days and days of mid-upper 90s.

[TRnCO]

On a similar note, people in Colorado with xcel's "Saver's switch" got an ugly surprise last night when their home's thermostats were remotely set to 85deg and couldn't be overridden in an effort to save electricity. Wait, what? I'm not xcel customer but are you saying that they can remotely set your thermostats when and to what they choose to?

[eddiememphis]

Wait, what? I'm not xcel customer but are you saying that they can remotely set your thermostats when and to what they choose to?

I am a customer, not by choice. I have seen these on a/c units. I wasn't aware they could change the thermostats. I was told they can "cycle down" a unit during peak usage.

Such nonsense. That is one of many problems with a monopoly. If there were other options, I would certainly explore them.

There is an obvious market for energy. The Public Utilities Commission should allow consumer choice.

[hollohas]

Wait, what? I'm not xcel customer but are you saying that they can remotely set your thermostats when and to what they choose to?Only if you opt in to save $40/year.

Here's just one of many posts floating around...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220831/1ab42421dbf93884d26a3e62bf97e293.jpg

[.455_Hunter]

Only if you opt in to save $40/year.

Here's just one of many posts floating around...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220831/1ab42421dbf93884d26a3e62bf97e293.jpg

Yup- That's why you say no to utilities having direct control over your usage and settings.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

“MANDATORY SAVING EVENT”

That is Orwellian at it highest form! I guess “Free sauna” was too on the nose…

When they turn off our cars, or won’t let them go to certian zones, they’ll call it “Mandatory Staycations”….




Electric cars are getting better, and I?m not sure where the battery tech will be in ten years.

Cars are one thing, they also can just tax teh bejesus out of the cars and fuel too- or close gas stations.

I?m not anti-EV, I just want people to choose it, not have it dictated to us. And yes, every enviro that is anti-nuclear is a clear sign that they aren?t about clean energy, they are about controlling energy.

The steel mill is very interesting use of EVs. You?d think directed solar concentrators would be More efficient that taking solar and turning it into electricity and then turning it into heat?. Less to break potentially too.

[Zundfolge]

Only if you opt in to save $40/year.

Here's just one of many posts floating around...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220831/1ab42421dbf93884d26a3e62bf97e293.jpg

I wouldn't have been foolish enough to sign up for this program, but the first time that ever happened to me, I'd head down to Home Depot with $42 and pick up on of these.

https://images.thdstatic.com/productImages/2c25b766-0360-44f3-a626-183241008b41/svn/honeywell-home-non-programmable-thermostats-ct87n-e1_600.jpg

And then box that "smart" piece of crap up and take it back to Xcel (and demand a receipt).

[ray1970]

Only if you opt in to save $40/year.


Man. Just think about everything a person could do with that extra $3.33 every month. Totally worth turning over control of your HVAC to your public utility company.

[TRnCO]

I'd be telling Xcel to pound sound, but I'm also a fuddy dud about auto payments for any of my bills. If I owe for electric, TV, etc., those companies will get my money when I am ready to send them my money, not when they're ready for my payment.

[theGinsue]

You?d think directed solar concentrators would be More efficient that taking solar and turning it into electricity and then turning it into heat?. Less to break potentially too.

Somewhere on the drive from Vegas to L.A., in CA, is a huge solar concentrator facility. It has been nothing short of a huge failed experiment. I saw this thing a couple of years ago and wanted to know more about it. I dug up a lot of research data and read up on it for days and found it is still costing more to use than it generates and (as I recall) it's only about 12% efficient - producing very little in the way of electricity. But, the right time of day during the right season you can get a suntan driving past the place.

[Gman]

Yup- That's why you say no to utilities having direct control over your usage and settings.

BINGO!!!

The business arrangement with Xcel is that they're in business to sell you electricity. It's up to you as the customer as to when you buy and how much you buy. Never forget it.

I used to get emails regularly from Xcel and via Xcel through Honeywell (maker of the smart thermostat I was using). Just say no.

It isn't much of a reach to see how the government can limit the mobility of the populace via electric cars.

[eddiememphis]

BINGO!!!

The business arrangement with Xcel is that they're in business to sell you electricity. It's up to you as the customer as to when you buy and how much you buy. Never forget it.

I used to get emails regularly from Xcel and via Xcel through Honeywell (maker of the smart thermostat I was using). Just say no.

It isn't much of a reach to see how the government can limit the mobility of the populace via electric cars.

Unfortunately, there is no choice from whom to buy the electricity.

All monopolies are created by special privilege of government.

[BushMasterBoy]

Supposedly cadmium-tellurium photovoltaic cells are more efficient than just plain silicon cells. Probably similar to comparing the old Pentium processors to todays modern laptops. I could still see my self driving an EV and charging it by a large array in the back yard. Still out of my price range currently.

https://www.investopedia.com/first-solar-to-invest-1-billion-in-new-u-s-factory-6541142

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Solar

[00tec]

Ooh, cadmium isn't toxic at all

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I figure the whole car thing will be solar powered. EV's will be mainstream. Going to Walmart will be the electric car. Going to granmas in Florida take the gas car or diesel. 20% of my neighborhood has huge solar arrays in their back yard.
If I could take a high speed electric train to DIA, I would use it. Not having a solar powered high speed train along the Front Range is silly. Even the rail could be made here using solar powered steel mills...all the groundwork resources are already here locally.


https://www.cpr.org/2022/02/02/pueblo-solar-powered-steel-mill-evraz/

https://www.ttci.tech/


Going all electric for new cars by 2035 is a pipe dream.

If they don't keep bumping the dates out as they approach, we'll start to look like Cuba, with a lot of really old cars on the road.


Supposedly cadmium-tellurium photovoltaic cells are more efficient than just plain silicon cells. Probably similar to comparing the old Pentium processors to todays modern laptops. I could still see my self driving an EV and charging it by a large array in the back yard. Still out of my price range currently.

https://www.investopedia.com/first-solar-to-invest-1-billion-in-new-u-s-factory-6541142

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Solar

Cadmium….

[BPTactical]

Only if you opt in to save $40/year.

Here's just one of many posts floating around...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220831/1ab42421dbf93884d26a3e62bf97e293.jpg




Make your deal with the Devil, the Devil will get his due.


https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/contact-denver7/thousands-of-xcel-customers-locked-out-of-thermostats-during-energy-emergency

DENVER ? During the dog days of summer, it's important to keep your home cool. But when thousands of Xcel customers in Colorado tried adjusting their thermostats Tuesday, they learned they had no control over the temperatures in their own homes.
Temperatures climbed into the 90s Tuesday, which is why Tony Talarico tried to crank up the air conditioning in his partner's Arvada home.
"I mean, it was 90 out, and it was right during the peak period," Talarico said. "It was hot."
That's when he saw a message on the thermostat stating the temperature was locked due to an "energy emergency."
"Normally, when we see a message like that, we're able to override it," Talarico said. "In this case, we weren't. So, our thermostat was locked in at 78 or 79."
On social media, dozens of Xcel customers complained of similar experiences ? some reporting home temperatures as high as 88 degrees.
Xcel confirmed to Contact Denver7 that 22,000 customers who had signed up for the Colorado AC Rewards program were locked out of their smart thermostats for hours on Tuesday.
"It's a voluntary program. Let's remember that this is something that customers choose to be a part of based on the incentives," said Emmett Romine, vice president of customer solutions and innovation at Xcel.
Customers receive a $100 credit for enrolling in the program and $25 annually, but Romine said customers also agree to give up some control to save energy and money and make the system more reliable.
"So, it helps everybody for people to participate in these programs. It is a bit uncomfortable for a short period of time, but it's very, very helpful," said Romine.
This is the first time in the program's six year span that customers could not override their smart thermostats, Romine said. He said the "energy emergency" was due to an unexpected outage in Pueblo combined with hot weather and heavy air conditioner usage.
But Talarico said he had no idea that he could be locked out of the thermostat. While he has solar panels and a smart thermostat to save energy, he says he did not sign up to have this much control taken away.
"To me, an emergency means there is, you know, life, limb, or, you know, some other danger out there ? some, you know, massive wildfires," Talarico said. "Even if it's a once-in-a-blue-moon situation, it just doesn't sit right with us to not be able to control our own thermostat in our house."




Sorry, my FuckOMatic machine is fresh out of fucks to give to you.....

[kidicarus13]

Reminds me of the people that signed their student loan paperwork when they needed $ for college but after graduation, had a change of heart regarding the conditions of the loan agreement.

[BushMasterBoy]

I thought the same thing about cadmium. Toxic AF. Colorado has a terrible industrial hygiene record. I could cite Cotter Uranium Mill, Rocky Flats Arsenal and Asarco Globeville plant, Denver as just a few examples.

Long term, the widespread application of CdTe solar panels would require recycling of the panels after their useful lifespan. The .gov would probably put a recycling fee on them. Same as when you buy a car battery, you have to turn one in for recycling or pay a fee. Link below shows what happens when you just bury cadmium-tellurium in a landfill.

The other scenario, eventually we run out of oil.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607867/

[hollohas]

Make your deal with the Devil, the Devil will get his due.


https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/contact-denver7/thousands-of-xcel-customers-locked-out-of-thermostats-during-energy-emergency





Sorry, my FuckOMatic machine is fresh out of fucks to give to you.....

So dude is literally generating his own power with solar panels to feed into xcel's grid and they still took control of his shit to limit what he could use. "Thanks for the power, but you can't use it". That's cold. (or a guess hot in this case).

If I ever install solar panels, I'd want a manual transfer switch to disconnect from grid power.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

How are the control signals sent??? Over the power lines, but most thermostats are low voltage- wouldn’t that mess with IP over power?

[00tec]

How are the control signals sent??? Over the power lines, but most thermostats are low voltage- wouldn’t that mess with IP over power?

Not exactly sure, but you likely have to link your online thermostat account to the provider to get your tiny discount.

[00tec]

I thought the same thing about cadmium. Toxic AF. Colorado has a terrible industrial hygiene record. I could cite Cotter Uranium Mill, Rocky Flats Arsenal and Asarco Globeville plant, Denver as just a few examples.

Long term, the widespread application of CdTe solar panels would require recycling of the panels after their useful lifespan. The .gov would probably put a recycling fee on them. Same as when you buy a car battery, you have to turn one in for recycling or pay a fee. Link below shows what happens when you just bury cadmium-tellurium in a landfill.

The other scenario, eventually we run out of oil.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607867/

You can't recycle shit in Colorado without paying a fee.

[BushMasterBoy]

It is called the Skin Effect. Radio frequency signals will travel over the skin of a conductor. Even powerlines. Since the power is only 60 cycles it travels along the core of the conductor. So they send a radio signal over the powerlines and can read your meter etc. Or even shut off the power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect

[doodguybro]

I don't really care how my car runs. I will be keeping my 2 smoker dirt bike though.

[Gman]

I bet Xcel is going to have a stampede of customers pulling out of their AC Rewards program after this.

I'm pretty sure the control is through the smart thermostat mfrs. Internet cloud connection. Xcel likely has agreements with Honeywell, Nest/Google, etc.

[00tec]

I bet Xcel is going to have a stampede of customers pulling out of their AC Rewards program after this.

I'm pretty sure the control is through the smart thermostat mfrs. Internet cloud connection. Xcel likely has agreements with Honeywell, Nest/Google, etc.

That's exactly it.
You have to register your thermostat credentials with xcel to let them play God.


To enroll, you'll need your thermostat manufacturer device credentials and either the email address or phone number associated with your account.

It would be funny just to keep the linked thermostat plugged in to 24v and keep it unplugged from the control circuit while running a second thermostat actually maintaining the HVAC

[BushMasterBoy]

They could promote solar powered attic fans. I got one of these. Good for barns, shed etc.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Master-Flow-500-CFM-Silver-Galvanized-Steel-Solar-Power-Roof-Vent/1000049635

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

On the thermostat, couldn?t you just ?hot-wire? it to run?.


It was probably 15 years ago I was at California CEC (energy commission?) TItle 24 meeting for an unrelated matter, but before my part, they talked about thermostats. They had a Honeywell and another guy there from the thermostat side and they were like ?Sure we can change people?s thermostat setting from a central location.? They had already run pilot programs, and they said the key was to not just jump it up, you have to slowly raise the temp so that people don?t notice it. The CEC guys laughed, the Honeywell guy laughed and I was like ?Sweet baby Jesus, these people are treating us like frogs or lobsters.? On the inside I said this.

Wait till there is an Al Gore Rythum that looks at your social media activity, registered pro-nouns, social welfare score, and then sets your thermostat?

[Gman]

On the thermostat, you could have swapped it with a dumb thermostat or another that wasn't registered. Would be interesting to see if you could have factory reset it and not reconnected to the cloud during their "emergency". "Oops, my Wi-Fi went down. Maybe my router overheated or something"?

ETA: Corrected Tapatalk punctuation fun.

[Zundfolge]

What I'm wondering is if there is some way to hook up the "smart" thermostat to nothing (maybe using the control module from another ac/furnace or build something with an Arduino or something that "spoofs" an HVAC control unit) but Xcel would think its hooked to a furnace/ac and then put an analog thermostat on your actual furnace/ac.

[BushMasterBoy]

It is probably considered "wire fraud".

[eddiememphis]

Wait till there is an Al Gore Rythum that looks at your social media activity, registered pro-nouns, social welfare score, and then sets your thermostat?

The wait is over.

Read about stakeholder capitalism, public-private partnerships and ESG scores.

Once relegated to the fringes of conspiracy sites, these ideas have emerged from the shadows and become acceptable and implemented.

We are only seeing the beginning as IoT is becoming less avoidable.

Credentialed experts are determined to run your life they way they see fit. They increasingly have the ability to do it.

[Zundfolge]

It is probably considered "wire fraud".
https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-14-2016/kGjpKk.gif

The wait is over.

Read about stakeholder capitalism, public-private partnerships and ESG scores...

And just wait until the dollar is replaced with a digital dollar, then every transaction you make will be monitored in real time (and can be shut down in milliseconds for whatever BS PC reasons they want).

[Erni]

I?m keeping my 50cc 2t motorcycle. Push comes to shove I?ll figure out how to run it on moonshine. Even behind the iron curtain moonshine was plentiful. [emoji23]

[BushMasterBoy]

Yeah, just like Dumb & Dumber, we can all ride a mini bike! Defenestration is the answer!

[theGinsue]

And just wait until the dollar is replaced with a digital dollar, then every transaction you make will be monitored in real time (and can be shut down in milliseconds for whatever BS PC reasons they want).

That could never, ever happe.... <glances at what happened to Russian financial accounts around the world>
Nevermind

[BushMasterBoy]

Seriously though, why not just plant trees to sequester the carbon dioxide? NASA article suggests huge impact to slow down global warming by planting trees. Everywhere I go seems to be deforestation. Old neighborhood in the UK, all the trees were gone. I go up in the mountains around old mining areas and it is all denuded of trees. I never been to the Amazon, but all I hear about is the rain forests being cut down. I love being in a forest. You never hear a politician say lets plant some trees.

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2927/examining-the-viability-of-planting-trees-to-help-mitigate-climate-change/#:~:text=By%20planting%20more%20than%20a,carbon%20 by%20about%2025%20percent.

[JohnnyDrama]

Seriously though, why not just plant trees to sequester the carbon dioxide? NASA article suggests huge impact to slow down global warming by planting trees. Everywhere I go seems to be deforestation. Old neighborhood in the UK, all the trees were gone. I go up in the mountains around old mining areas and it is all denuded of trees. I never been to the Amazon, but all I hear about is the rain forests being cut down. I love being in a forest. You never hear a politician say lets plant some trees.

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2927/examining-the-viability-of-planting-trees-to-help-mitigate-climate-change/#:~:text=By%20planting%20more%20than%20a,carbon%20 by%20about%2025%20percent.

Not today. President Theodore Roosevelt began a silviculture program in the early 20th century. There are only a handful of "forests" that still survive today. One is located between Meeker and Craig. He incentivized private citizens to go out and plant trees. Another president was his cousin, Franklin Roosevelt. Under the CCC millions of trees were planted. People seem to forget that trees are living things with a life cycle. If they are not cut down, they get old and die. Politicians today would rather delegate replacing forests to a bureaucrat in the USDA to "manage."

[BushMasterBoy]

State says the are not taking any orders for trees. The website says they are in sad shape, due to COVID etc. The thought of all state prison inmates sitting in A/C waiting for next meal and not out planting trees burns my ass. I'm gonna go buy some seedlings and learn how to grow trees. I am really good at growing tumbleweeds.

https://csfs.colostate.edu/seedling-tree-nursery/

[Singlestack]

What I'm wondering is if there is some way to hook up the "smart" thermostat to nothing (maybe using the control module from another ac/furnace or build something with an Arduino or something that "spoofs" an HVAC control unit) but Xcel would think its hooked to a furnace/ac and then put an analog thermostat on your actual furnace/ac.

As a EE, I guarantee this is possible. Only question is what, if any, info Xcel receives from the thermostat. My guess is what it receives back is the thermostat state rather than the furnace/AC state. But for this control operation it is also possible that it receives nothing back and simply issues commands. The thermostat info would include the current temp at the thermostat and what the thermostat thinks it is telling the furnace/AC to do. The furnace/AC state is what the furnace/AC is actually doing. I don't recall if typical house furnace/AC control wiring supports those type of signals to the thermostat, or not.

[MED]

I just need to finish my last 3.5 years before I retire and leave CO. I plan to be totally off grid by 2027, and drop a large chunk of money on power generation and storage; the days of relying on service companies are over. The electric grid is going to be a mess. So much investment was made in gas fired turbines and gas fired heat in homes; the costs of changing everything on Americans is going to be extreme. I can see the use of an electric vehicle charging on my own system for short trips, but I'm definitely not going to run out and get one anytime soon. I don't how this mess and transition will impact travel especially with large trailers and campers. Making biofuel isn't that hard; I'll probably invest in the equipment so I can run my collector vehicles if necessary. The next twenty-five years are going to be a total shit show for sure. The government and damn activists inflicting pain to force change is total BS. I can see the benefits with advancement is technology, but forcing things to the detriment of the people is BS.

[Zundfolge]

As a EE, I guarantee this is possible. Only question is what, if any, info Xcel receives from the thermostat. My guess is what it receives back is the thermostat state rather than the furnace/AC state. But for this control operation it is also possible that it receives nothing back and simply issues commands. The thermostat info would include the current temp at the thermostat and what the thermostat thinks it is telling the furnace/AC to do. The furnace/AC state is what the furnace/AC is actually doing. I don't recall if typical house furnace/AC control wiring supports those type of signals to the thermostat, or not.

Or there's this low-tech solution (that just made me LOL).
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/393816544

Plastic box + electronic hand warmer = AC

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https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1662291630564813.jpg

[Gman]

Seriously though, why not just plant trees to sequester the carbon dioxide? NASA article suggests huge impact to slow down global warming by planting trees. Everywhere I go seems to be deforestation. Old neighborhood in the UK, all the trees were gone. I go up in the mountains around old mining areas and it is all denuded of trees. I never been to the Amazon, but all I hear about is the rain forests being cut down. I love being in a forest. You never hear a politician say lets plant some trees.

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2927/examining-the-viability-of-planting-trees-to-help-mitigate-climate-change/#:~:text=By%20planting%20more%20than%20a,carbon%20 by%20about%2025%20percent.
I was talking about that over the weekend. The greenies should be clamoring for more products made from wood, since it's essentially sequestering carbon. They're a renewable resource.

There's more forested land in the US now than there was when the Pilgrims landed.

[ray1970]

State says the are not taking any orders for trees. The website says they are in sad shape, due to COVID etc.

Great. I heard about pets, livestock, and zoo animals getting the covid. I had no idea plants were getting it too.