City of Boulder pauses gun bans..

[def90]

Supposedly in order to coordinate legal defenses with other local jurisdictions..

https://kdvr.com/news/local/boulder-pauses-gun-ban-enforcement/

[Ah Pook]

They had to use a stock photo from Springville, UT?!

[.455_Hunter]

They had to use a stock photo from Springville, UT?!


I don't blame Ross at Gunsport from not wanting a photograph from inside his store.

[Ah Pook]

I'm sure Ross would welcome them with open arms, then show them the basement. [Coffee]

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Funny how they paint the municipalities as graciously not enforcing the bans, when they are actually under a TRO from the judge to not enforce the bans… they didn’t have an option, really,,,

[funkymonkey1111]

Funny how they paint the municipalities as graciously not enforcing the bans, when they are actually under a TRO from the judge to not enforce the bans… they didn’t have an option, really,,,

exactly. it was stopped for them

[DDT951]

This could get interesting..

"The city of Boulder paused the enforcement of a ban on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines until further notice."

RMGO also sued the state over magazine bans.

How could a judge justify ruling the cities cannot enforce " large-capacity magazine" laws because the plaintiffs have a reasonable chance of prevailing.

The TRO states:

"The Tenth Circuit has noted that the infringement of a constitutional right is enough to satisfy this factor and requires no further showing of irreparable injury."

"When a constitutional right hangs in the balance, though, even a temporary loss usually trumps any harm to the defendant"

"Plaintiffs are challenging the constitutionality of Defendant’s regulation of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines. The Supreme Court has recently ruled that individuals have a constitutional right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home and New York’s licensing regime for public-carry licenses impermissibly interfered with that right..... On this admittedly limited record and with a liberal analysis of this factor, the Court finds that Plaintiffs establish a substantial likelihood of success on the merits."

https://bit.ly/3RnYTrU

It seems if a permanent injunction is issued after the September 8th hearing, the State of Colorado would very likely have an injunction over "large capacity magazines"

That would open the flood gates as standard capacity magazines would instantly be legal and the entire law grandfathering everything would fall apart. The affirmative defense would turn to "I bough them while the 10th Circuit had an injunction in place"

This could be a very fun time!

[eddiememphis]

Has the magazine limit ban ever been enforced? (Other sales of new, assembled products)

I asked that when I joined this forum in 2008 after I bought my first evil black rifle.

In the years since, I have only seen it as an additional charge and then rarely.

I would think if law enforcement was actually checking date stamps and writing tickets, it would have spread throughout these pages.

[eddiememphis]

If this is finally ruled unconstitutional, don't think they will back off, tail between their legs.

They will circumvent the ruling by passing laws requiring specific types of insurance, such as personal liability for firearm owners.

There will be massive taxes on firearm purchases, as well as ammunition and "accessories" such as magazines.

It may be possible to require a background check on ammo as well.

The overt banning of certain firearms is low hanging fruit. There are many many ways to effectively eliminate firearm ownership without an outright ban.

Remember, they are smarter than knuckle dragging gun owners. They know what is better for you than you do. You are living your life wrong, they are simply trying to help you see the error in your ways, so we can all live in a better, fairer and most just society.

And above all, it's for the children.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I agree that they will try other things, just look at NYC and CA- BUT that will a fringe on their side. It will be interesting if the more moderate (ha, I know) dems decide that making a symbolic stand that will eventually fail isn’t in their best interest or use of time/resources. A rational dem, our best hope :(

I will say that a lot of those things that you mention are also unlikely to pass muster. THT BABY! Text, history, tradition is a severe stumbling block to things like excessive ammo taxes, mandatory insurance, back ground checks on ammo. Not saying that they won’t pass, but these recent cases heard by Obama judges and ruled correctly, are a good sign.

If anything, I think the political reality that going after guns is closed as a virtue signaling activity as an answer to our society that values life so poorly and the violence that happens. The faster and harder that new reality is shoved down the radical lefts throats, the faster we can get to a path that actually does something more than symbolic to stop violence.

If the judge puts a injunction on these laws ("Boulder" and the CO mag) what does that mean for Denver's AWB. It is really a mag ban with a kicker. I'm sure Denver would say that they are not affected, but how long can they keep up that charade? Especially if a mag limit and AWB get kiboshed?

And after this first court rules, does it go to the full circuit and then SCOTUS? Are those the levels?

[DDT951]

Has the magazine limit ban ever been enforced? (Other sales of new, assembled products)

I asked that when I joined this forum in 2008 after I bought my first evil black rifle.

In the years since, I have only seen it as an additional charge and then rarely.

I would think if law enforcement was actually checking date stamps and writing tickets, it would have spread throughout these pages.

A few years ago, I saw a list and yes it has as a primary offense. Not often, but it has.

And "additional charges" still means it is being enforces. The list that included the initial charge has some that we just traffic stops.

Keep in mind often "additional charges" are leverage/fear to get a person to plead out.

[eddiememphis]

Good points, but it is not the mainstream democrat or liberal that are making and passing these ordinances and laws.

Rational democrats certainly exist.

The problem is the Democrat party has allowed leftists to control their platforms. Their party has been drifting that way but the overreaction to a Trump presidency has shifted the party far left.

Will there be a correction back towards the center? Yes.

Will it stop the inevitable creep to the left? Nope.

Leftists are insatiable in their lust for power.

[tric3imagery]

Government should stop banning most everything toq Law Abiding Citizens. period

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[eddiememphis]

A few years ago, I saw a list and yes it has as a primary offense. Not often, but it has.

I apparently was not clear in what I was saying. Obviously an additional charge is enforcement of the law. Prosecutors add every charge they can upon a suspect.

I don't want to be pedantic, but show the list you read.

It has the potential to affect everyone on this forum, since I am guessing the majority have magazines larger than 15 rounds.

Law enforcement officers have much bigger issues to deal with than enforcing this arbitrary law.

My point is there are not police officers stationed at every range in the state checking date codes on every magazine with a capacity greater than 15 rounds.

[Clint45]

Has the magazine limit ban ever been enforced? (Other sales of new, assembled products)

I've only seen hi cap mags prosecuted when a felon in possession had a Glock stendo in the commission of another crime. I reckon the DA would drop it if a plea bargain was accepted.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I apparently was not clear in what I was saying. Obviously an additional charge is enforcement of the law. Prosecutors add every charge they can upon a suspect.

I don't want to be pedantic, but show the list you read.

It has the potential to affect everyone on this forum, since I am guessing the majority have magazines larger than 15 rounds.

Law enforcement officers have much bigger issues to deal with than enforcing this arbitrary law.

My point is there are not police officers stationed at every range in the state checking date codes on every magazine with a capacity greater than 15 rounds.

I specifically remember a guy who got pinched for mags at home as the primary charge. IIRC, cops come by for some reason and see the mags and arrest and take the mags.

That isn’t really the issue because people have been caught by the ordinance. And now with 15 rounds in Denver (no grandfathering) a number of CCW guns with 17 rounds are technically bozo-no-nos. This is a ‘weakness’ in the law, it is a feature. They pass the law and now everytime you got to the range, or their is a fire in your house, or an EX decides to drop a dime, you have a liability. It is kind of like being here as an illegal alien. They aren’t really looking for you, live your whole life, but in the right circumstance, you are screwed. How screwed? We’ll, they’ll take all your guns, that’s not fun. IIRC is up to a year and $1000 fine- and you wanna bet that it is per mag, not just if you have them. That gets into NFA kind of numbers, fast.

So, yes, chances are small, but not zero. And that doesn’t count the people transiting Denver, which is hard to do if you travel on I-25 or I-70.

A list is irrelevant. The fact that it is there is the issue.

[eddiememphis]

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/09/02/after-judge-ices-local-gun-laws-boulder-county-lashes-out-with-gun-show-ban-n62094

Boulder counters by banning gun shows at the county fairgrounds.

While possibly unconstitutional, when was the last time there was a gun show there?

[.455_Hunter]

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/09/02/after-judge-ices-local-gun-laws-boulder-county-lashes-out-with-gun-show-ban-n62094

Boulder counters by banning gun shows at the county fairgrounds.

While possibly unconstitutional, when was the last time there was a gun show there?


I believe the last one was in June. I have a been to a few there over the years, but more recently, they have tended to be tables of low-end ceracoated junkers and tacticool crap. I did pick-up an unissued M44 Mosin Nagant for a cheap price, but that was probably in 1999.

The previous generation of county commissioners at least pretended to be supportive of what they viewed as reasonable gun ownership and use. The current crop view gun ownership and use as not compatible with the modern progressive values they are here to implement.