Federal Tracking Of Gun Sales

[eddiememphis]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/credit-card-companies-gun-sales-congress-letters/

Elizabeth Warren and others sent a letter to credit card companies requesting their backing of a new merchant code for firearm sellers.

""The creation of a new [merchant category code] for gun and ammunition retail stores would be the first step towards facilitating the collection of valuable financial data that could help law enforcement in countering the financing of terrorism efforts," the letter says."

"A merchant category code, they wrote, "could make it easier for financial institutions to monitor certain types of suspicious activities including straw purchases and unlawful bulk purchases that could be used in the commission of domestic terrorist acts or gun trafficking schemes.""

"Supporters say such a code could be a useful tool to help law enforcement identify bad actors by spotlighting potentially suspicious purchasing patterns..."

It would also make it much easier for credit card companies to decline purchases depending on their policies defining "suspicious".

This information could and likely would be shared with federal government and others such as insurance companies and added to background checks.

[Hummer]

Another reason why, "cash is king!"

[TEAMRICO]

Cartels use credit cards to buy their hardware?
Only Dems would think that.

Use cash for purchases. That will make Libs head blow up.

[Little Dutch]

Does the BATFE use credit cards when they make purchases to purposefully let them "walk"?

[def90]

Don't they already track purchases via 4473's? It's already well known that they only prosecute somewhere around 1% of straw purchases so what difference would a credit card code do in that respect.

[buffalobo]

Another step on the path...

[JohnnyDrama]

Like some of you have suggested, means to track legal purchases already exist. Occasionally they are used to identify and prosecute illegal activity like straw purchases. This isn't about that. This has nothing to do with criminal behavior. This is about giving credit card companies the ability to decline commerce between people. The politicians can claim what a private business does is their own business. Criminals still gonna criminal.

[eddiememphis]

This has nothing to do with criminal behavior. This is about giving credit card companies the ability to decline commerce between people.

Exactly. They will then be encouraged to do so through incentives or punished for not doing it.

This is not about crime, it is about power. The power to control people's lives.

[wctriumph]

The overall idea is to eventually eliminate the illicit economy. Cash must be eliminated as a form of barter to allow the full control of your life.

[JohnnyDrama]

The overall idea is to eventually eliminate the illicit economy. Cash must be eliminated as a form of barter to allow the full control of your life.

An axiom of "The Golden Rule" He who has the gold, makes the rules."

I'm starting to see why the IRS thinks they need all those double-naught spies.

[Eric P]

Gun stores are sporting goods stores or hardware store.

F visa, Mastercard, Amex, discover, etc. None of these codes should even exist. All they need to know is who and amount to approve payments.

[Ranger353]

I feel like we 2A supporters are in a vise that is slowly being squeezed. I keep thinking the thing is going to keep getting tighter until we get some judicial relief, if we can hang on that long. God knows we need legislative relief.

[eddiememphis]

It passed on Friday.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/credit-card-sales-of-guns-and-ammo-merchant-codes/

"This approval is an important step towards improving coordination with law enforcement and preventing gun violence," Senator Elizabeth Warren told CBS News in a statement. "In order for this new merchant code to be maximally effective, every financial institution and payment system needs to step up and put it to use."

Watch for Amalgamated Bank to be the first to ban sales of guns and ammo. Others will follow suit, likely setting monthly limits first.

The next thing will be insurance companies raising rates on homeowners and health coverage, due to "high risk", citing ammo storage for fire, gun in home for liability and gun suicide stats for health.

Other punishments for being and evil gun owner include not getting loans, raised interest on existing credit cards and denial of new ones. Reduced services on all bank accounts, new fees and outright denial to opening new accounts.

Applying for a job? Red flag on the background check, terrorist. Want to fly? Nope. Ride a train? Rent a car or get a hotel room? Hit the bricks, killer.

Once on the list, why can't Kroger charge you more for groceries or Valero for gasoline?

Too much data in too many hands is a bad thing. Especially when many of those hands think you need to live your life the way they say, not the way you want.

[electronman1729]

Just pay in cash

[eddiememphis]

Just pay in cash

Sure.

That works until banks refuse to accept cash deposits from gun stores and other merchants of death.

[APEXgunparts]

Just pay in cash

On line purchases are rather difficult to accomplish with cash.
Fortunately firearms parts businesses remain coded as "general merchandise"

Richard

[hollohas]

Online stores may not take cash, but they take prepaid cards...

Buy prepaid card with cash, use prepaid card to buy ammo online.

[Oscar77]

It passed on Friday.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/credit-card-sales-of-guns-and-ammo-merchant-codes/

"This approval is an important step towards improving coordination with law enforcement and preventing gun violence," Senator Elizabeth Warren told CBS News in a statement. "In order for this new merchant code to be maximally effective, every financial institution and payment system needs to step up and put it to use."

Watch for Amalgamated Bank to be the first to ban sales of guns and ammo. Others will follow suit, likely setting monthly limits first.

The next thing will be insurance companies raising rates on homeowners and health coverage, due to "high risk", citing ammo storage for fire, gun in home for liability and gun suicide stats for health.

Other punishments for being and evil gun owner include not getting loans, raised interest on existing credit cards and denial of new ones. Reduced services on all bank accounts, new fees and outright denial to opening new accounts.

Applying for a job? Red flag on the background check, terrorist. Want to fly? Nope. Ride a train? Rent a car or get a hotel room? Hit the bricks, killer.

Once on the list, why can't Kroger charge you more for groceries or Valero for gasoline?

Too much data in too many hands is a bad thing. Especially when many of those hands think you need to live your life the way they say, not the way you want.

I know you are not going to accept this but companies like RMR bullets have said they wont use the "new coding"....................
It appears (And Warren seems to confirm) that this is a voluntary thing........ and so with Companies like RMR refusing to use it and then the Credit Card companies have to also agree to it.
My CC is from a local Credit Union and so I'll dump them if they start it.............

I do not in anyway agree with this but your "dominoes theory" is far fetched.
If the Dems want to identify and punish gun-owners, they will and they will do it directly.
And not some indirect, thru numerous companies that have to cooperate and then with questionable data, means.

[battlemidget]

Want an eye opener? Call your credit card company and ask them for a copy of the cardholder agreement. They send it free of charge.

[eddiememphis]

I know you are not going to accept this but companies like RMR bullets have said they wont use the "new coding"....................
It appears (And Warren seems to confirm) that this is a voluntary thing........ and so with Companies like RMR refusing to use it and then the Credit Card companies have to also agree to it.
My CC is from a local Credit Union and so I'll dump them if they start it.............

I do not in anyway agree with this but your "dominoes theory" is far fetched.
If the Dems want to identify and punish gun-owners, they will and they will do it directly.
And not some indirect, thru numerous companies that have to cooperate and then with questionable data, means.

I get your points and they are valid... today.

The coding is voluntary until it isn't. The companies may refuse, in which case their banks will stop doing business with them. If the banks do not act, legislative or regulating bodies will.

You will quit your credit union but is isn't the local banks that are onboard with this. It is Visa and MasterCard, not Westerra. There can be a lot of pressure exerted on smaller banks from Visa and from the federal regulating agencies.

Never underestimate the determination of leftists in their quest to control your life.

They are trying every legislative session to overtly ban private ownership of firearms. Look at Edgewater and Hannah Gay-Keao. She is a zealot and has gained influence over the board.

They are also finding these sneaky, backdoor efforts to have merit as well.

Just because you have a great quarterback, that doesn't mean the running game is ineffective. The are determined to push their agenda through and thus gain control over your life, by all means at their disposal.

Remember that they are relentless. Think about gay marriage. As recently as 2010, President Obama was still on the fence. Twelve years later, leftist are insisting 6 year olds are to be taught how to be transgender, and attempting to destigmatize child molestaion as a healthy sexual attraction.

Look at the huge turn around on oil. Oil used to be an incredibly powerful lobby. Decades of propaganda had allowed the mainstreaming of climate disaster ideology. That has led to the foreseeable end to gasoline powered cars in the very near future.

What do these have to do with gun control?

The left's uncompromising pursuit of their agendas.

[Oscar77]

Eddie:
You are definitely not a "half full" kinda guy and that's your Opinion.
My only point was that instead of these " this means ...... that..... and that means this......... and we are dead," that the Dems have and will openly go directly to an issue.
ie They want to ban guns, so they do.
In other words, they don't hide their intentions at this point and don't need to find all these meandering ways of getting that done.
My only point now is that while they pushed their agendas hard and made progress as they see it, there have also been major setbacks for them.
Mainly in these legal decisions recently handed down. And even the Abortion decision was a HUGE blow to them.

You might feel like you are simply walking around dead, I don't........ this battle is far from over.

What's funny about your comments is when I listen to dem-tards or the news, they say the same thing...........
"OMG, these gun nuts never give up........blah blah........."

[eddiememphis]

You have no idea who I am so your accusations about my mental state are baseless, Dr. Freud.

I am actually a pretty cheerful guy with a lot to look forward to.

I do not think the battle is over nor do I think a takeover by the left is inevitable.

I am pointing out the myriad of ways they may be able to accomplish their goals of controlling people's lives.

Remember that a true leftist is a zealot. Setbacks to their agenda make them more resolute and encourages them to reach farther next time.

We need to be aware of any step they take to accomplish the end goal of disarming the population. These steps may seem insignificant or meandering but they are steps toward that goal nonetheless and without recognizing them as such, there is little chance to fight them.

It's the punch you don't see coming that will knock you out.

[eddiememphis]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/20/24-attorneys-general-sign-letter-warning-visa-to-drop-plans-for-tracking-gun-sales/

Good news

Twenty-four Republican attorneys general sent a letter to Visa, Mastercard, and American Express Tuesday warning them to drop plans to code and compile gun sales in America.

[hollohas]

Dems don't just go after their issues directly or indirectly...they do both. Always. They aren't a one trick pony.

Ex: They didn't just ban people from talking about Hunter's laptop, they refused to talk about it and they requested private companies hide anyone else from talking about it (The DOJ literally asked companies like FB to shadow ban stories of it). They absolutely have a LONG history of using backdoor, private company pressure and cooperation to make soft bans. No legislation needed. CC companies are no exception.

If the opportunity to make an outright ban comes up, they will do it. But they aren't just going to sit idle by waiting for that.

[Oscar77]

You have no idea who I am so your accusations about my mental state are baseless, Dr. Freud.

I am actually a pretty cheerful guy with a lot to look forward to.

I do not think the battle is over nor do I think a takeover by the left is inevitable.

I am pointing out the myriad of ways they may be able to accomplish their goals of controlling people's lives.

Remember that a true leftist is a zealot. Setbacks to their agenda make them more resolute and encourages them to reach farther next time.

We need to be aware of any step they take to accomplish the end goal of disarming the population. These steps may seem insignificant or meandering but they are steps toward that goal nonetheless and without recognizing them as such, there is little chance to fight them.

It's the punch you don't see coming that will knock you out.

Sir:
I meant no disrespect about the "glass" comment and No I don't know you at all.
But fair is fair, your comments don't come off as cheery or upbeat is all.

Yes, they are trying to control lives and some want theirs to be.
But not every thing they do comes close to doing that..........and sometimes it backfires horibbly..... and sometimes is simply ignored.
(ie...... I actually went to a local gun show and there sure seemed to be alot of high-cap mags for sale........... I mean I'm sure they were pinned, I just didn't look close enough ;) )