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eddiememphis
11-08-2022, 12:01
He is all over the radio and TV today, giving his opinion on the election and hinting that he will make his decision very soon.
I hope he does not because it will be a circus. All the old stuff will be dredged up again, old hatred reignited.
I hope he does run again because it is fun watching the left lose their minds.
What do you think? Will he try again? And is it a good thing?
DenverGP
11-08-2022, 12:11
I voted for him, probably would again against anything the left would run, but I really wish he'd just disappear or just be a media personality.
But his ego makes me 99% sure he will run again.
colorider
11-08-2022, 12:44
Solid Democrats will vote for the D. Solid Republicans are going to vote for the R. No matter who is running. What the Republicans need is a candidate who call pull the undecided or on the fence voter to their side. Trump is NOT that person. That was shown in 2020. Too much hatred for the man himself, not his policy. Like him or hate him, his running in 2024 will hurt Republicans instead of help. He won't get elected no matter how many Trump signs and rallies you see. Again, the distain some people have for him is too strong to win.
buffalobo
11-08-2022, 13:10
Something along those lines^^^.
eddiememphis
11-08-2022, 15:11
He said he will announce November 15.
I sure hope he doesn’t, I’d love to see Ron DeSantis run. I have Democrat friends that will vote for a Republican but would never vote for Trump. To me that means that the middle of the road swing vote would probably vote Republican this go around as long as it’s not Trump as well. I like trumps policies,, his vitriol causes problems.
Trump needs to step aside.
DeSantis 2024, he can pull in the other side, his re-election run in Fl is showing that.
Trump needs to step aside.
DeSantis 2024, he can pull in the other side, his re-election run in Fl is showing that.
DeSantis is a straight up snake.
Bailey Guns
11-09-2022, 07:49
DeSantis is a straight up snake.
DeSantis is a winner. I'm not sure why you say he's a snake. I'd rather see DeSantis run. But I'll vote for Trump if I have to without hesitation.
colorider
11-09-2022, 09:20
DeSantis is a winner. I'm not sure why you say he's a snake. I'd rather see DeSantis run. But I'll vote for Trump if I have to without hesitation.
Yes, you will vote for Trump, but the ones who matter won’t. The undecided, the independents, the on the fence will not. Those are the ones that will decide the election. Just like we have seen in the mid terms. People are voting anything but R. Their hate for trump is STRONG, and they don’t care. They just don’t want more Trump.
Bailey Guns
11-09-2022, 10:33
Yep... And they'll be bitching the loudest about what a mess the country's in.
hollohas
11-09-2022, 11:57
Yep... And they'll be bitching the loudest about what a mess the country's in.Exactly. They KNOW everything is a mess....so they keep voting back the same old dumbasses that messed it up.
Doesn't matter who votes for who. The people who actually run things will put whoever they want, wherever they want. Elections are a farce, only serve to make the peons feel they have a voice and actually matter.
Just my extremely jaded opinion.....
wctriumph
11-09-2022, 17:42
Doesn't matter who votes for who. The people who actually run things will put whoever they want, wherever they want. Elections are a farce, only serve to make the peons feel they have a voice and actually matter.
Just my extremely jaded opinion.....
I think you are pretty much correct. Politicians are as corrupt as they ever were, probably more so. The money behind the political elite is fascist in origin and the socialists think they are winning. They’re not, they are only useful idiots. Very few in government are interested in what is best for you and I, only for themselves. I keep voting but more and more I just see things getting worse and worse and always the push for a one world government. Which would be fascist.
FTW
Yes, you will vote for Trump, but the ones who matter won’t. The undecided, the independents, the on the fence will not. Those are the ones that will decide the election. Just like we have seen in the mid terms. People are voting anything but R. Their hate for trump is STRONG, and they don’t care. They just don’t want more Trump.
Here in Colorado, sure.
Joe O'dea (or whatever his name is) disassociated himself from Trump, and traditional Republican values, like anti-abortion.
The people that are winning, are people that believe in Trump's, "Make America Great Again" MAGA
Trump can win again, because all he cares about is "Make America Great Again" and he is a straight shooter.
A straight shooter, that tells it like it is.
-John
hollohas
11-09-2022, 19:08
The last election was stolen. I was afraid it'd happen again. I was wrong. This time it was just retards voting. I seriously can't understand why people would vote for Sloth from Goonies. That's not fair, Sloth was actually likable.
Is it like when kids vote for the ugly chick for prom queen as some sort of twisted cruel joke?
Here in Colorado, sure.
Joe O'dea (or whatever his name is) disassociated himself from Trump, and traditional Republican values, like anti-abortion.
The people that are winning, are people that believe in Trump's, "Make America Great Again" MAGA
Trump can win again, because all he cares about is "Make America Great Again" and he is a straight shooter.
A straight shooter, that tells it like it is.
-John
? Most of Trumps picks that he backed heavy lost..
We can look at this later... good metric, for sure.
The last election was stolen. I was afraid it'd happen again. I was wrong. This time it was just retards voting. I seriously can't understand why people would vote for Sloth from Goonies. That's not fair, Sloth was actually likable.
Is it like when kids vote for the ugly chick for prom queen as some sort of twisted cruel joke?
It's more sinister than that, hollohas.
Since there is no accountability for money being spent, the government is basically buying votes, by spending enormously.
-John
Bailey Guns
11-09-2022, 19:26
? Most of Trumps picks that he backed heavy lost..
Where are you getting your information? According to BallotPedia Trump backed 254 candidates in the general election. 76% of them won (that was from earlier today so it may have changed a bit). I've heard this a couple of times but no one can give me a reliable source. So far it's been some bullshit from Facebook or Twitter or some shit...
Bailey Guns
11-09-2022, 19:27
The last election was stolen. I was afraid it'd happen again. I was wrong. This time it was just retards voting. I seriously can't understand why people would vote for Sloth from Goonies. That's not fair, Sloth was actually likable.
Is it like when kids vote for the ugly chick for prom queen as some sort of twisted cruel joke?
I'll admit it...that made me laugh.
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2022, 23:11
Trump should shut da fuk up. Pack his bags and go home. His time came & went, lets get someone else on line for 24.
He's a boat anchor, that draws crowds, but not an overwhelming amount of votes. IF he did, there would have been a red wave. Instead we got, what i pretty much expected.
Where are you getting your information? According to BallotPedia Trump backed 254 candidates in the general election. 76% of them won (that was from earlier today so it may have changed a bit). I've heard this a couple of times but no one can give me a reliable source. So far it's been some bullshit from Facebook or Twitter or some shit...
Not trying to negate your point, BG, but to me it seems like the candidates he backed in the "big" and "important" races underperformed. It will be interesting to see how many candidates he backed in contentious races that performed well once all the final tallies come out. Maybe it's just the fact that several of those important races got so much media time that they are the ones that stand out in memory. Hopefully we can still prevail in GA senate race, but here in CO we are basically doomed as I see it.
The last election was stolen. I was afraid it'd happen again. I was wrong. This time it was just retards voting. I seriously can't understand why people would vote for Sloth from Goonies. That's not fair, Sloth was actually likable.
Is it like when kids vote for the ugly chick for prom queen as some sort of twisted cruel joke?
Or maybe they (D's) are just getting better at doing what they do and how to do it, and are starting to understand that a win (even with a slim margin) is still a win, and that a tight race that that has a bit of back and forth throughout the tallying is a lot easier for people to accept than an obviously skewed and/or implausible blowout.
In the end, even if it is all mostly legit, we are still being played in a game we are steadily losing the chances of winning. JMHO
Bailey Guns
11-10-2022, 07:37
I don't know. I have read reports that Trump is upset that some candidates he endorsed based on recommendations from others, even Melania, lost their elections. Oz was specifically mentioned.
But I'd argue they're all pretty important when you're trying to flip the house/senate. I'm still curious to see if Boebert can pull off a win. I see it's 50/50 right now with Frisch leading by about 64 votes. That's a close election.
Yeah, they are all important. That's kind of what led to my statement about media coverage. I didn't really seek out or follow a lot of the lower profile races and was inundated by the media saturation of the few deemed high profile by our benevolent keepers.
I didn't really think Oz was the best R choice, but I'm almost flabbergasted that he lost.
Where are you getting your information? According to BallotPedia Trump backed 254 candidates in the general election. 76% of them won (that was from earlier today so it may have changed a bit). I've heard this a couple of times but no one can give me a reliable source. So far it's been some bullshit from Facebook or Twitter or some shit...
Ok, he backed 254 candidates so pretty much everyone.. The ones he personally stumped for in person did not produce. Just look at Pa, Oz was Trumps pick and he couldn’t beat a vegetable even after that debate.
I don't know. I have read reports that Trump is upset that some candidates he endorsed based on recommendations from others, even Melania, lost their elections. Oz was specifically mentioned.
But I'd argue they're all pretty important when you're trying to flip the house/senate. I'm still curious to see if Boebert can pull off a win. I see it's 50/50 right now with Frisch leading by about 64 votes. That's a close election.
Sure, and just like while he was president every bad decision he made was due to him relying on a bad aide or cabinet member, it’s never because Trump himself fucked up.
hollohas
11-10-2022, 16:09
I'll admit it...that made me laugh.It's funny 'cause it's true.
Pennsylvania re-elected a literal DEAD guy (D) with 85% of the votes. The other candidate was a 3rd party progressive liberal so it wasn't like dead guy or right-winger. It was liberal dead guy Dem or liberal 3rd party. And 85% chose to vote dead guy Dem instead of liberal green party with the exact same politics.
Pennsylvania Voters: Frankensteins Monster or a Dual Citizen Vaccine Salesman from New Jersey.
Pepsi or Coke, Coke or Pepsi.
Trump was the spoiler of the election for Republicans and short of an ice pick to the back he will do it again in 2024. The man doesn't GAF about the party, other Republican politicians, the good of the nation or anything beyond himself. At this point Trump is more toxic that Hilary ever was. As a former president, he is a national disgrace. If the party can't re direct the conspiracy nincompoop contingent before the next presidential race we'll be stuck with another Biden admin, either sleepy Joe, his wife Dr. Jill, or worse, Kamala-mala.
The mostly conservative daily NY Post, published a piece on how Trump sabotaged the mid term election. I concur.
https://nypost.com/2022/11/09/heres-how-donald-trump-sabotaged-the-republican-midterms/
Great-Kazoo
11-10-2022, 19:48
Pennsylvania Voters: Frankensteins Monster or a Dual Citizen Vaccine Salesman from New Jersey.
Pepsi or Coke, Coke or Pepsi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab7NyKw0VYQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab7NyKw0VYQ
Hey look! It?s Fettermann?s victory speech!
eddiememphis
11-11-2022, 10:12
Biden will not run again.
There are already stories being published about his age and health. I read one in the Washington Post this morning.
He will finish his term and bow out. This will prevent a Harris incumbency, opening the door to a wide open Democratic primary. No one wants a President Harris on either side.
The usual assortment of fools and dolts will run but two governors of western states will rise to the top. Gavin Newsom is likely too far left for many swing voters to stomach. That will leave the one that has overseen dramatic growth in his state, is left of center yet claims to embrace both sides of the aisle. A former businessman and congressman, he also happen to be very wealth and gay.
I present your 2024 Democrat nominee for President of the United States- Jared Schutz Polis.
eddiememphis
11-11-2022, 10:18
As to the Trump question, it seem more likely he is going to run again. He spent the last two days shitting on DeSantis.
Trump thinks he is the answer again, although the question in most voters' minds has changed.
A primary between the two of them will be interesting. A lot of pundits are saying the GOP needs to move on and does not need the distraction a Trump campaign would bring. Would the primary electors gamble on running Trump again in an almost sure defeat or put aside whatever admiration or loyalties and vote for the man more likely to win?
I think you're right, Eddiememphis, that Biden won't run again and that Polis is a likely candidate. As for Trump, we voted for him twice but never will again. The party has a year and a half to get it's stuff together.
I don't always agree with Peggy Noonan but she's a gifted writer worth reading. And I always enjoy the WSJ comments. One stated that the GOP needs to narrow the field of primary candidates to 2 or 3 strongest names from the 10 or 12 they typically have. DeSantis, Nikki Haley or Tim Scott could defeat Trump.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/maybe-republicans-will-finally-learn-trump-election-denial-desantis-florida-defeat-2020-2024-primary-normie-11668121391
Would not be surprised to see Trump run as a third party candidate if he does not win the primary. Would most definitely keep the dems in the White House.
Poleass for Pres? I just threw up.....
BPTactical
11-13-2022, 21:29
Poleass for Pres? I just threw up.....
Really?
Watch this, it explains a lot- he has always had higher aspirations. https://www.roxytube.com/watch/rocky-mountain-heist-by-michelle-malkin-full-documentary-2014_gYx7iuQP73JjA7r.html
TEAMRICO
11-15-2022, 20:34
Trumps running.
Bitch if you want I don’t care.
Trump 2024.
Biden in bed by 20:24.
Make America Great Again,
works for me.
TEAMRICO
11-15-2022, 20:54
Can anyone name another politician who says “America First”?
Can anyone name another straight talking politician?
sbgixxer
11-15-2022, 21:18
Can anyone say, this is the way to give libs another 4 years?
eddiememphis
11-15-2022, 21:44
Can anyone say, this is the way to give libs another 4 years?
He still needs to get through the primaries. There is a lot of noise from the GOP that they may try to distance themselves from him.
If that happens and he runs on a 3rd party, it will guarantee a Democrat victory in '24, since it would siphon votes away from the Republican candidate.
Either way, you are likely correct.
TEAMRICO
11-15-2022, 22:43
The GOP? Mitch McConnells GOP?
He didn’t need them then and he don’t need them now. The GOP in DC IS THE REASON all this crap happened and is happening.
colorider
11-15-2022, 22:44
If he runs as a R or 3rd party in 2024, The Democrats will have another 4 years. Like Trump or not, he has turned off WAY too many voters. The people he supported for the midterms lost. Unless they were the incumbents. There were a few outliers but the vast majority lost. He needs to go away. Fast. He is toxic for the Republicans to win in 2024. The constant black cloud that follows the man is a major distraction for what is important. Getting somebody to win in 2024. Not sure who that person is to run for the Republicans is, but it isn't Trump. He won't win. The midterms showed that people will support the Democrats, even though they are a disaster and the nation is a shit show. They will NOT vote for somebody associated with Trump, or Trump himself. Maybe his announcement today was just to pump up his ego and to get himself back on TV for something besides scandals, lawsuits, fraud etc. Maybe he will back out as soon as a good candidate steps up and says they are going to run. Let's hope, and wait and see.
TEAMRICO
11-16-2022, 09:51
See here is the issue. The Dems could nominate Fetterwoman for their candidate and they would rally around him and his voters would treat him like a rock star.
Republicans announce or select or even have someone who shows interest in running and everyone who describes themselves as a Republican immediately start to tear them down, speak for others by give unsubstantiated evidence of voter support when the opposite is true.
Trump has proven himself to do what he said he would do and this world was a better place.
The goal of the GOP is to put THEIR candidate in that position, you think Mitch and his gang will get behind DeSantis or an outsider? Nope.
The media or any political expert has never shown me anything for me to doubt this man.
If you are happy with Joe or any Dem candidate well good on you. It is big to early to start with the Debbie Downer Defeatist talk and go along with the lefts narrative of he has no support.
Look at any rally he puts on. Then compare that to any other candidate from either side.
Folks are gonna have a long two years of being depressed he is running and I’m fine with that if that’s the way way you want to get played by the media and Sack Sack Suzies who already look at the negative side of everything.
I personally would love to go back to the way things were just two short years ago……minus that Covid BS.
eddiememphis
11-16-2022, 10:01
The media or any political expert has never shown me anything for me to doubt this man.
“I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively, I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall.” June 16, 2015
colorider
11-16-2022, 12:12
For a republican to win, they need to get the vote of the on the fence or the undecided voter. Trump is NOT the person to get those votes. It will be the same or worse than 2020. Democrats could run a head of broccoli and their followers would vote for it. The undecided and on the fence would too because it’s something besides Trump. Broccoli could possibly be better than what we have now with Biden, so maybe they will try it.
The focus for the R should be getting the votes from those that the need to. Those people are not us, or the strong Republicans. We/ they will vote R even if it happens to be Trump. Absolutely need to get the votes I stated before, and also the votes for those who liked Trump but won’t vote for him again because they are tired of all the nonsense that comes with him.
A good perspective of the situation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63638929
Trump for worm food 2023...
BPTactical
11-16-2022, 16:43
Until the GOP learn to harvest ballots, own the mail in ballots, corrupt votes, corrupt data, 3am ballot drops, block observers etc they could run Jesus Christ himself.
They still wouldn't win.
ruthabagah
11-16-2022, 17:32
Trump for worm food 2023...
For a republican to win, they need to get the vote of the on the fence or the undecided voter. Trump is NOT the person to get those votes. It will be the same or worse than 2020. Democrats could run a head of broccoli and their followers would vote for it. The undecided and on the fence would too because it’s something besides Trump. Broccoli could possibly be better than what we have now with Biden, so maybe they will try it.
The focus for the R should be getting the votes from those that the need to. Those people are not us, or the strong Republicans. We/ they will vote R even if it happens to be Trump. Absolutely need to get the votes I stated before, and also the votes for those who liked Trump but won’t vote for him again because they are tired of all the nonsense that comes with him.
A good perspective of the situation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63638929
Well said, exactly my thoughts.
jerrymrc
11-16-2022, 17:54
For a republican to win, they need to get the vote of the on the fence or the undecided voter. Trump is NOT the person to get those votes. It will be the same or worse than 2020. Democrats could run a head of broccoli and their followers would vote for it. The undecided and on the fence would too because it’s something besides Trump. Broccoli could possibly be better than what we have now with Biden, so maybe they will try it.
The focus for the R should be getting the votes from those that the need to. Those people are not us, or the strong Republicans. We/ they will vote R even if it happens to be Trump. Absolutely need to get the votes I stated before, and also the votes for those who liked Trump but won’t vote for him again because they are tired of all the nonsense that comes with him.
A good perspective of the situation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63638929
This ^^^^^^ 2-3 months after he was elected I made a comment that I continued to make for the next four years. Would he just shut up already. and the comment he made before the mid terms said it all.
eddiememphis
11-16-2022, 18:53
What colorider didn't mention is the unprecedented amount of negative coverage Trump will continue to receive.
If you think it was "All Trump, All The Time" before...
Interesting article in The Federalist about "Generation Z" and their lack of ability to think for themselves due to constant immersion in social media.
https://thefederalist.com/2022/11/16/why-did-gen-z-turn-out-to-vote-for-democrats-and-against-their-own-interests/
"Every day, I witness their lack of reasoning skills and personal drive. This in turn causes them to be disturbingly introverted and handle most of their interactions with people through social media. Many have no real community or deep-seated beliefs and act more on feelings than principle."
"Instead, they spend most of their waking life on the internet, consuming mindless content and dreaming up fake personas for themselves. And as a result, they are largely immature, lonely, and neurotic."
"For young people, nearly every narrative and social phenomenon now originate from the internet. This means that it's the dumb and disturbed "influencers" online, not parents or teachers, informing this next generation about politics, economics, and culture."
While the last line has always been true- socially popular personas having more influence than traditional dogma- it may be more true today than ever before due to the ubiquity of internet devices and the seeming lack of parental involvement.
Many, if not most of these "influencers" lean left. There is also the corruptibility factor. If a kid on TikTok with thousands of subscribers is offered thousands of dollars by a political action committee to extol the virtues of their candidate or issue, will he take the money or make a principled stand?
Money.
Will a viewer seek out the other side to make an informed decision?
Unlikely.
Here,s a hot take.
https://theamericanclassroom.substack.com/p/discernment-in-world-war-iii?publication_id=340054&utm_medium=email&action=share&isFreemail=true
Interesting. Chew on the meat, spit out the bones.
eddiememphis
11-16-2022, 21:19
Here,s a hot take.
https://theamericanclassroom.substack.com/p/discernment-in-world-war-iii?publication_id=340054&utm_medium=email&action=share&isFreemail=true
Interesting. Chew on the meat, spit out the bones.
It certainly is a hot take. Poorly written and full of childish rantings.
It certainly is a hot take. Poorly written and full of childish rantings.
Care to elaborate?
Martinjmpr
11-17-2022, 09:15
Maybe it's time to recognize that Trump was never the great candidate so many wanted him to be?
Maybe we should admit that the ONLY reason Trump won in 2016 was because (a) he was running against one of the most unpopular, divisive and weak candidates to run for office in most of our lifetimes and (b) Hillary and her handlers were so confident of victory that they basically considered the election already won and did not do the hard work it takes to get elected.
Hillary never won an election that was not handed to her (the NY State senate.) Back in the 1990's, the Democratic party created this myth of "the Clinton Magic" that basically said Bill and Hillary Clinton were this "power couple" that had amazing political skills. They created this myth because they desperately WANTED it to be true, that Hillary and Bill were political equals who both had the ability to achieve political goals.
Of course, we all know this is nonsense: Hillary NEVER had any political skills and was always a shrill, doctrinaire lefty. It was BILL Clinton who possessed the skills and talent to schmooze politicians from both sides of the fence with his boyish good looks and "aw, shucks!" Southern-boy charm. Hillary was always the ice queen. Nobody liked her in the 1990's and nobody likes her now. Like milk left out of the fridge, she hasn't aged well.
But the Dems WANTED to believe she was this "Female Bill Clinton" so they created this mythical idea of her as a great politician and they furiously purged the party of anybody who dared to disagree.
Getting back to Trump, he was always a terrible candidate, but he had the fortune of running against Hillary. As I said, not only was Hillary propped up by both her own party and the fawning of the news media and entertainment industry (who helped push the myth of the "great female politician") but she and her team were so confident that they'd beat Trump, the obnoxious asshole, that they basically wiffed on the whole campaign. Hillary didn't even appear in many of the battleground states of the midwest because she's lazy and she figured she had the election locked down so why should she put in any effort?
That's also the reason the Democrats completely lost their shit over Trump's victory. They had already assumed Hillary would win so Trump's election was a shock to them.
Martinjmpr
11-17-2022, 09:26
The biggest danger of Trump is that he doesn't give two craps for the Republican party or for the future of the country. Trump cares about one thing: Trump. Nothing else matters.
Unless he shuffles off this mortal coil, Trump is likely to try and blackmail the Republicans into nominating him. He'll basically say "either nominate me or I'll run as a 3rd party and take my rabid supporters with me and torpedo any chance of a Republican victory."
If anybody else did that they'd be thrown out of the party but Trump doesn't care - no matter who gets elected, HE'LL be fine. And if the country goes to hell, Trump doesn't care, he's got his money.
How many of you are familiar with the old Jewish story of the Golem? I'm stretching to remember the details but the story goes that a village was being threatened by some outside force, so one of the villagers suggests creating a Golem, a monster, to defeat their enemies. Some of the villagers warns them agains this, saying it's a bad idea, but they create the Golem anyway, and it does indeed destroy their enemies. But then it turns on the village.
There are other cultures that have similar stories, in fact it's probably one of the more common types of stories (lots of sci-fi seems to be based on this idea of humans creating technology that ultimately destroys them - think of the whole Teminator/Skynet story line.)
People love to project their own feelings onto Trump, that he cares about immigration, or working people, or traditional families, or America. But Trump only cares about one thing: Trump. He'll do or say what he has to do or say to advance himself, and there's nobody he won't drop like a hot potato if they become a liability.
Trump is a con artist and all the flag-bedecked pickup trucks in the world won't change that.
bellavite1
11-17-2022, 09:45
The biggest danger of Trump is that he doesn't give two craps for the Republican party or for the future of the country. Trump cares about one thing: Trump. Nothing else matters.
Unless he shuffles off this mortal coil, Trump is likely to try and blackmail the Republicans into nominating him. He'll basically say "either nominate me or I'll run as a 3rd party and take my rabid supporters with me and torpedo any chance of a Republican victory."
If anybody else did that they'd be thrown out of the party but Trump doesn't care - no matter who gets elected, HE'LL be fine. And if the country goes to hell, Trump doesn't care, he's got his money.
How many of you are familiar with the old Jewish story of the Golem? I'm stretching to remember the details but the story goes that a village was being threatened by some outside force, so one of the villagers suggests creating a Golem, a monster, to defeat their enemies. Some of the villagers warns them agains this, saying it's a bad idea, but they create the Golem anyway, and it does indeed destroy their enemies. But then it turns on the village.
There are other cultures that have similar stories, in fact it's probably one of the more common types of stories (lots of sci-fi seems to be based on this idea of humans creating technology that ultimately destroys them - think of the whole Teminator/Skynet story line.)
People love to project their own feelings onto Trump, that he cares about immigration, or working people, or traditional families, or America. But Trump only cares about one thing: Trump. He'll do or say what he has to do or say to advance himself, and there's nobody he won't drop like a hot potato if they become a liability.
Trump is a con artist and all the flag-bedecked pickup trucks in the world won't change that.
Not a single politician gives a fuck about you or me.
All they want is power.
We are left to fight over the crumbs, but at least we can pick the flavor.
eddiememphis
11-17-2022, 10:47
Care to elaborate?
Sure.
It's the disjointed ramblings of conspiracy theorist.
All wars in history were manufactured by bankers and secret societies.
The military has been in control since 2020.
Trump is still President since he never conceded.
Trump signed the Insurrection Act.
Trump can't be prosecuted as a candidate for office.
The mainstream media’s sole position and mission is to breed discontent and division among the American people.
The media are the gatekeepers of our minds.
Operation Mockingbird is real.
On and on he goes bouncing around with little coherence.
This is the same character that, at a board of education meeting in Ohio, declared everyone who received a Covid shot would be dead in 5 years.
It was a fun read but I certainly don't take any of it seriously.
eddiememphis
11-17-2022, 10:56
Maybe we should admit that the ONLY reason Trump won in 2016 was because (a) he was running against one of the most unpopular, divisive and weak candidates to run for office in most of our lifetimes and (b) Hillary and her handlers were so confident of victory that they basically considered the election already won and did not do the hard work it takes to get elected.
(c) He was an outsider and an underdog. A non-politician promising to shake up the status quo, while reawakening a slumbering nationalism.
Martinjmpr
11-17-2022, 11:29
(c) He was an outsider and an underdog. A non-politician promising to shake up the status quo, while reawakening a slumbering nationalism.
Well, two points:
1. How the hell does a billionaire qualify as an 'underdog?'
2. Doesn't EVERY politician promise to "shake up the status quo?" Is there even one politician out there who has ever campaigned on a platform of "I'm a Washington insider and I think everything is great, so elect me to Congress and I won't change anything?"
eddiememphis
11-17-2022, 12:02
Well, two points:
1. How the hell does a billionaire qualify as an 'underdog?'
2. Doesn't EVERY politician promise to "shake up the status quo?" Is there even one politician out there who has ever campaigned on a platform of "I'm a Washington insider and I think everything is great, so elect me to Congress and I won't change anything?"
1- Clinton was the overwhelming favorite. His personal wealth had little to do with that.
2- Yes they do. However, his claims were perceived as more likely since he wasn't beholden to other politicians. And the answer to your second question is yes. Diana DeGette.
ruthabagah
11-17-2022, 12:31
You guys are spot on…. Trump didn’t win, Hillary lost…. Trump was able to ascent in the party for the same reason Elon musk became the richest man on heart: They were disrupting the status quo. Now just like every “disruptor” there is a point where the novelty phenomenon wanes and this creates a vacuum where new players can be heard and ride the “disruptor”s wave… That’s what we are seeing right now.
I am pretty sure that Trump will split and create his own party no matter what. That’s 25-30% of all the votes going to him. Not enough to get him elected but enough to throw a major wrench in the US political landscape. This might be a good thing on the long term.
Sure.
It's the disjointed ramblings of conspiracy theorist.
All wars in history were manufactured by bankers and secret societies.
The military has been in control since 2020.
Trump is still President since he never conceded.
Trump signed the Insurrection Act.
Trump can't be prosecuted as a candidate for office.
The mainstream media?s sole position and mission is to breed discontent and division among the American people.
The media are the gatekeepers of our minds.
Operation Mockingbird is real.
On and on he goes bouncing around with little coherence.
This is the same character that, at a board of education meeting in Ohio, declared everyone who received a Covid shot would be dead in 5 years.
It was a fun read but I certainly don't take any of it seriously.
Great summary, I think he might be right on some things, but most of it is a stretch.
I've got to tell you, that many of you are disappointing me.
Donald Trump is/was the best thing to happen to America in a long time.
I still remember the night he beat Hillary. I was resigned to her winning, and then there was Trump.
Wait, is this a thing?
Oh, my gosh!
Needless to say, I missed work the next day.
-John
(this is back when votes were counted that night)
eddiememphis
11-17-2022, 18:53
I've got to tell you, that many of you are disappointing me.
Donald Trump is/was the best thing to happen to America in a long time.
I still remember the night he beat Hillary. I was resigned to her winning, and then there was Trump.
Wait, is this a thing?
Oh, my gosh!
Needless to say, I missed work the next day.
-John
It's not a matter of good or bad. It is a matter of electability.
With the obvious animosity of the major media outlets, will he be able to sway undecided voters this time?
That's assuming he wins the GOP primary which is looking less likely. If he goes 3rd party, he has no chance of winning, nor does the Republican nominee since he will siphon off votes that would normally go Republican.
It's going to be interesting if nothing else.
It is a matter of good or bad.
Only Trump, speaks plainly, and puts America first.
-John
Rucker61
11-17-2022, 19:53
It's not a matter of good or bad. It is a matter of electability.
With the obvious animosity of the major media outlets, will he be able to sway undecided voters this time?
That's assuming he wins the GOP primary which is looking less likely. If he goes 3rd party, he has no chance of winning, nor does the Republican nominee since he will siphon off votes that would normally go Republican.
It's going to be interesting if nothing else.
Trump as a candidate will ensure that the Democrats take the White House.
Does it even matter anymore, if the Democrats and Republicans in Name Only, take the White House?
Do you understand that we are now at 31 Trillion Dollars, in national debt?
We need Donald Trump, more than ever.
-John
ruthabagah
11-17-2022, 22:06
Does it even matter anymore, if the Democrats and Republicans in Name Only, take the White House?
Do you understand that we are now at 31 Trillion Dollars, in national debt?
We need Donald Trump, more than ever.
-John
Considering that trump increased our national debt by 36% during his tenure, I’ll say, no, we don’t need him.
https://www.thebalancemoney.com/trump-plans-to-reduce-national-debt-4114401
eddiememphis
11-17-2022, 22:50
Does it even matter anymore, if the Democrats and Republicans in Name Only, take the White House?
Do you understand that we are now at 31 Trillion Dollars, in national debt?
We need Donald Trump, more than ever.
-John
It does matter. There are still significant differences between the two parties. Guns, abortion and the current trans madness are just a few of the many issues where there is a difference.
I agree there are many Republicans that are not as conservative as many would like, but there is still a vast difference between AOC and Boebert.
But Trump is no savior. Government spending during his administration was greater than Obama and Bush, despite his promise to balance the budget and pay off the entire debt.
Trump- $7.8T 4 year term versus 8 for the other two
Obama-$5T
Bush-$6.9T
$3.9 of Trump's was pandemic relief spending which may or may not have been necessary. It likely led to some of the inflation we are dealing with now.
He pledged to repeal Obamacare and reform social security. He placed tariffs on China which raised prices on consumer products. He left office with the largest peacetime deficit in history and debt exceeding 100% of GDP for the first time since WWII.
I realize that Presidents get more credit and blame than they often deserve since the federal government is a very complicated institution.
This is my long winded way of saying I can't envision him doing anything to significantly reduce the debt.
The GOP? Mitch McConnells GOP?
He didn?t need them then and he don?t need them now. The GOP in DC IS THE REASON all this crap happened and is happening.
Amen. Just part of the cabal that's screwing us...from both sides.
I'm afraid this ship is sunk. The only "solutions" the entrenched ruling class have is to drill more holes in the hull.
colorider
11-18-2022, 14:09
It's not a matter if you, us, we like Trump, or like what he did. It is a matter of how He or a Republican gets into the Whitehouse. Trump can't. He simply will not get the votes needes. Yes, we would vote for him, but the votes he needs to win are not going to come from us. Those votes are from the same people who voted against the "red wave" last week. Those voters simply despise Trump and will not vote for him or anyone who supports him.
Martinjmpr
11-19-2022, 10:28
People were willing to put up with Trump's crap when he looked like a winner. But now he has the stench of failure on him so his bluster just makes him look like an ass.
Trump was a one-trick pony. All he's got is his loud mouth. Now that we've seen how that not only doesn't help, but actively hurts other Republicans, he's a liability, not an asset.
We did win the House of Representatives, and Biden and the Socialists are crippled at the national level.
This is a big win, obviously.
Trump also just won a poll, put on by Elon Musk, and will be reinstated to Twitter. This is a large part of how Trump lost in 2020, is censorship on sites like Reddit.
Trump remains the only plain talking political candidate since Ross Perot.
He will win again, and shame on you for not voting for him.
-John
7 trillion in deficient spending under Trump. Blew more money than even the most progressive liberal's wet dream. He is more responsible for the national debt than any president before him. How can this not be public knowledge in the conservative party? He spent more, than any other president in history. Increased the debt more both by number and proportion... in a single term. There could not be a worse president fiscally to ever have, period.
Maybe they are kicking him some money for running under the table, because if he's the nominee, it's an easy win for the left.
I might have voted for him in the past, if he's the nominee I'm sitting 2024 out and so are a ton of legitimate fiscal conservatives.
Why any of his club are "Trump or bust" is beyond me, when there's 79,999,999 more qualified candidates with a better history in the conservative party that are more capable of winning.
7 trillion in deficient spending under Trump. Blew more money than even the most progressive liberal's wet dream. He is more responsible for the national debt than any president before him. How can this not be public knowledge in the conservative party? He spent more, than any other president in history. Increased the debt more both by number and proportion... in a single term. There could not be a worse president fiscally to ever have, period.
Maybe they are kicking him some money for running under the table, because if he's the nominee, it's an easy win for the left.
I might have voted for him in the past, if he's the nominee I'm sitting 2024 out and so are a ton of legitimate fiscal conservatives.
Why any of his club are "Trump or bust" is beyond me, when there's 79,999,999 more qualified candidates with a better history in the conservative party that are more capable of winning.
I noticed you said, any president "before him."
How do you not recognize that Biden, is the nut case, liberal, socialist?
Trump, while progressive, was carried, kicking and screaming into Covid.
So disingenuous of you acting like this is what he wanted to do.
-John
Great-Kazoo
11-28-2022, 19:30
We did win the House of Representatives, and Biden and the Socialists are crippled at the national level.
This is a big win, obviously.
Trump also just won a poll, put on by Elon Musk, and will be reinstated to Twitter. This is a large part of how Trump lost in 2020, is censorship on sites like Reddit.
Trump remains the only plain talking political candidate since Ross Perot.
He will win again, and shame on you for not voting for him.
-John
I'm hoping he disafukinpears. While voting for him 2x. Between the media spin machine, trumps return to twitter (like that worked so well the first time) his meeting with some ( media labeled) supremist, attacking DeSantis, etc, etc.
His time has come and gone. There's as much dislike for him, now. As there was for hrc. Unless the media spin machine suddenly goes against the D party. He'll never be able to fight the smear campaign, no matter how many 1/2 assed tweets he throws out.
I'm at the point, right now, that i doubt i'll vote come 24. That's how much i dislike the entire political landscape.
Considering how elated i was when we were able to vote @ 18, and doing so every election, including local ones. That's saying a lot, with who knows how many others, feeling the same way.
Down here i'm not surprised the R's lost. With the 24/7 media RACIST, RACIST, KOOK, KOOK, DEMOCRACY IS IN DANGER, attacks. Tell the lies long enough. Some start to believe them. Multiply that 10-20 fold when it comes to trump and see how well that works out.
eddiememphis
11-28-2022, 19:34
Unless the media spin machine suddenly goes against the D party.
https://media.giphy.com/media/UclCYTnzD25b2/giphy.gif
Nope, Trump is insane, a textbook megalomaniac. He deserves at the minimum to spend the rest of his days tottering around his Florida home. One more election where I won’t cast a presidential vote unless there’s a real candidate to run against the dementia riddled occupant.
He's actually got all his facilities, unlike Joe Biden.
-John
I'm hoping he disafukinpears. While voting for him 2x. Between the media spin machine, trumps return to twitter (like that worked so well the first time) his meeting with some ( media labeled) supremist, attacking DeSantis, etc, etc.
His time has come and gone. There's as much dislike for him, now. As there was for hrc. Unless the media spin machine suddenly goes against the D party. He'll never be able to fight the smear campaign, no matter how many 1/2 assed tweets he throws out.
I'm at the point, right now, that i doubt i'll vote come 24. That's how much i dislike the entire political landscape.
Considering how elated i was when we were able to vote @ 18, and doing so every election, including local ones. That's saying a lot, with who knows how many others, feeling the same way.
Down here i'm not surprised the R's lost. With the 24/7 media RACIST, RACIST, KOOK, KOOK, DEMOCRACY IS IN DANGER, attacks. Tell the lies long enough. Some start to believe them. Multiply that 10-20 fold when it comes to trump and see how well that works out.
It's okay to not vote for any candidate, just vote against the worst candidate.
Voting, is the only way our republic works.
You vote for the person that best represents your thoughts and ideas and feelings.
-John
Trump may have all his faculties but he’s still a megalomaniac. Biden’s lost his mind, time to retire to a rocking chair on the porch. It’s sad that these two were the choices. The grand republic is no more.
eddiememphis
12-03-2022, 13:14
The grand republic is no more.
Said by every old man throughout time, as he watches social and political changes leave him behind.
Said by every old man throughout time, as he watches social and political changes leave him behind.
Wh you callin' old you whippersnapper??!! LOL. Yup, it's true and history does repeat itself. I'm not offended and I'm kidding with you, enjoy the weekend.
And remember-old age and treachery beats youth and enthusiasm, I may be old(er) but I'm still dangerous [Coffee]
eddiememphis
12-03-2022, 19:48
Wh you callin' old you whippersnapper??!! LOL. Yup, it's true and history does repeat itself. I'm not offended and I'm kidding with you, enjoy the weekend.
And remember-old age and treachery beats youth and enthusiasm, I may be old(er) but I'm still dangerous [Coffee]
It wasn't meant to disparage you.
I am often finding myself grumbling about "these kids today", except with much more profanity.
"It is not worthwhile to try to keep history from repeating itself, for man's character will always make the preventing of the repetitions impossible."
- Autobiographical dictation, 15 January 1907. Published in Autobiography of Mark Twain, Vol. 2 (University of California Press, 2013)
Likely the basis of the often accredited but never confirmed quote,
"History may not repeat itself but it does rhyme".
All good my friend. The one thing I’ve enjoyed most about this forum is that outside one or two folks I truly appreciate the discourse that occurs here. Enjoy the rest of the weekend and stay safe.
BushMasterBoy
12-06-2022, 20:52
Tax fraud convictions of Trump Companies does not fare well for his image. Mara Lago could be the new Club Fed! The old level 1 at Eglin AFB is closed.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-fraud-trial-verdict/index.html
eddiememphis
12-06-2022, 22:16
Tax fraud convictions of Trump Companies does not fare well for his image. Mara Lago could be the new Club Fed! The old level 1 at Eglin AFB is closed.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-fraud-trial-verdict/index.html
I doubt it. Looks like Trump had very little to do with the actual operation of the company. The CFO Allen Weisselman plead guilty to 15 felonies and admitted to doing it for personal gain.
Does it hurt Trump"s image? Sure. Is it enough to sway undecideds against him in the increasingly unlikely event he wins the GOP nomination? Maybe, but it doesn't look like he has chance anyway.
Saw that Bolton the Walrus was threating to run against Trump. That would put a nail in the GOP future.
Vic Tory
12-07-2022, 21:08
I voted Constitution Party (Castle) in 2016. I was among the hundreds of thousands who awoke that Wednesday morning fully dreading hearing the phrase "Madam President." Trump surprised me enormously. He moved the embassy to Jerusalem -- which each of the previous 6 presidents promised to do. He slowed the imbecilic love of China. He called out the Fake News for exactly what it is. Etc.
I chided people who railed against (Birx' invented slogan) "15 Days to Slow The Spread."
"C'mon! It's just two weeks. It won't hurt you..."
Then ... BOOM! I had a visceral reaction to "30 Days to Slow the Spread."
"Hey! Those conspiracy theorists were (once again) right!!!"
I was personally an anti-vax guy for decades. There was NO WAY I was going to take that experimental jab. I cringed every time Trump boasted about how quickly he helped rollout these "wonderful" vaccines. I *hated* that he kept bragging about this fiasco.
Regardless, I voted for Trump in 2020.
$3.9 of Trump's was pandemic relief spending which may or may not have been necessary.
It wasn't necessary, period. (Sweden is STILL the example of how herd immunity works -- and worked. Australia became "'the new China" in their idiotic Big Brother oversight of all their people.)
Saw that Bolton the Walrus was [threatening] to run against Trump.
HA-HA-HA-Ha-Ha-Ha!!! [Gasp!]
[ROFL2]
Bolton's 15 minutes ended years ago.
Regardless if Trump actually ends up being the Republican nominee or not, his mere involvement has doomed the chances for the party in 2024. Many libertarian and moderate voters that might normally vote R. won't vote for him because he's an abrasive narcissistic asshole that is about as articulate as a stoned kindergartner, and his rabid base won't vote for a more moderate candidate that prefers to persuade his adversaries rather than bully them.
bellavite1
12-08-2022, 15:10
Regardless if Trump actually ends up being the Republican nominee or not, his mere involvement has doomed the chances for the party in 2024. Many libertarian and moderate voters that might normally vote R. won't vote for him because he's an abrasive narcissistic asshole that is about as articulate as a stoned kindergartner, and his rabid base won't vote for a more moderate candidate that prefers to persuade his adversaries rather than bully them.
There's no persuading them.
The last two elections proved it.
Regardless if Trump actually ends up being the Republican nominee or not, his mere involvement has doomed the chances for the party in 2024. Many libertarian and moderate voters that might normally vote R. won't vote for him because he's an abrasive narcissistic asshole that is about as articulate as a stoned kindergartner, and his rabid base won't vote for a more moderate candidate that prefers to persuade his adversaries rather than bully them.
TFOGGER, telling it like it is!
That phony SOB has done enough damage. He's already lost his second chance. And his third chance. But please, bring Hillary back so the Democrats can vote for her. Two peas in a rotten pod.
Regardless if Trump actually ends up being the Republican nominee or not, his mere involvement has doomed the chances for the party in 2024. Many libertarian and moderate voters that might normally vote R. won't vote for him because he's an abrasive narcissistic asshole that is about as articulate as a stoned kindergartner, and his rabid base won't vote for a more moderate candidate that prefers to persuade his adversaries rather than bully them.
What do we care now? It's not like people have voted for conservatives lately?
You either believe in a world like Trump believes, or you don't.
We are done pandering to you "so called conservatives."
-John
Martinjmpr
12-10-2022, 10:10
What do we care now? It's not like people have voted for conservatives lately?
You either believe in a world like Trump believes, or you don't.
We are done pandering to you "so called conservatives."
-John
It's hilarious that you think Trump is a conservative.
Trump is a Trumpian, first, last and always.
David Cole over at Taki's mag got it right. Cole is a conservative but he's smart enough to see that Trump is the boat anchor that will take the Republican party all the way to the bottom of the ocean:
A core belief of these cultists is that MAGAs alone can elect anyone anywhere. They don?t just dismiss independents; they?re outright hostile to them. ?To hell with anyone who?s not ?one of us.? We can do this ourselves!?
Even though, of course, they can?t. It?s a complete fiction that MAGAs alone can elect as much as a dogcatcher. But you?ll never convince them of that. They refuse to understand that Trump barely won in 2016 (a handful of votes in a few swing states), and of course they can?t accept that he lost in 2020. Not with MAGAs behind him! If you?re MAGA and you lose, it has to be fraud!
Kari Lake telling McCain supporters?in McCain?s state??to hell with you; beat it, we don?t need ya? had nothing to do with her loss. She had MAGAs, and that?s all you need! So she must?ve won!
https://www.takimag.com/article/midterm-for-the-worse-part-iii-disjoin-or-die/
Trump doesn't care about "America", he cares about Trump. And he knows that win or lose, HE will be just fine.
Democrats LOVE Trump. They know that the more he runs his mouth, the more they solidify their chances of taking the white house again in 2024. Without a Hillary to run against, Trump has ZERO chance of winning in 2024, but if he either runs as a 3rd party or just spends his days ripping the Republican party to shreds because they didn't nominate him, he can (a) cause the Republican candidate to lose and (b) get his face on TV.
Great-Kazoo
12-10-2022, 13:14
What do we care now? It's not like people have voted for conservatives lately?
You either believe in a world like Trump believes, or you don't.
We are done pandering to you "so called conservatives."
-John
Trump is not now, or ever been a conservative. he ran on the R platform, as the D's told everyone. It's Hillary's turn. He' supported D actions , politicians, etc ,his entire time in NYS. His politics were always D slanted. BUT he saw an opportunity to go for it under the R banner. IF he runs in 24, he will not get my vote, a 3rd time. As the last post mentioned. He's dragging any potential R win down, slowly, but surely .
https://usdebtclock.org/
Not to pick on you too much, but Trump is more responsible for the US Debt than any person in US history.
He treated the US like a teenager with Daddy's credit card, and made Obama look like a Pious, fiscally responsible spender for cryn-out-loud.
There's what you want to believe, there's the poop coming out of Trumps mouth, and there's what's the truth, and 25% of the entire national debt came from Trump. More than $25,000 per citizen, incurred during Trump. And yes, the executive is entirely responsible for the budget, and yes he was spending like the democrat he is even before the pandemic. You should seriously look this up.
I for one, will NOT be voting for Trump if he is nominated. Any true conservative could not.
As bizarre as this world is, they could nominate AOC and she's probably be more fiscally responsible in comparison for f's sake, and that woman is a garbage can.
That's just plane false, FoxtArt. Blinden and his friends have spent far more than Trump.
Kazoo, and Martin, I don't know how you can be so wrong.
-John
Great-Kazoo
12-12-2022, 00:06
That's just plane false, FoxtArt. Blinden and his friends have spent far more than Trump.
Kazoo, and Martin, I don't know how you can be so wrong.
-John
easy.. First off, i was a very strong trump supporter. BUT, now It's time for him to shut up and move on. If i'm tired of him, imagine how many others are too.
He'll basically hand the d's a super majority in 24. Allowing them to pack the court, like they want. With zero pushback.
But we shall see who's "wrong" in 2 yrs, if that.
Do you understand that you are electing socialists, and communists?
-John
Do you understand that you are electing socialists, and communists?
-John
We have been. Regularly since at least Andrew Jackson. Trump is, in my estimation, at worst a foreign agent. At best an egotistical puppet playing the political system in just enough of a different way to fool many of us.
Great-Kazoo
12-12-2022, 15:53
Do you understand that you are electing socialists, and communists?
-John
And here's a classic example of why no R will ever take the Whitehouse, ever. You're so tied up with trump, you and millions like you will screw us over because= trump. Honestly, do you believe at this point in time he has the backing to go all the way? His big money donors are gone, his political supporters are almost gone. What's he have left, you? Sending him $$ for how much longer.
I'll say this, IF (big IF) he actually steps up . Those personal attacks on other R candidates will finish him off.
Let's not forget the labelling of anyone who doesn't support him. It's bad enough i'm a democracy hating, misogynists', homophobe, white privileged male.
Now folks like you are trying to tell me i'm responsible for getting socialist & commies elected, GFYS .
eddiememphis
12-12-2022, 16:50
He will not win the primaries.
He has turned any association with him into a black mark on Republican's records.
His latest nonsense about suspending the Constitution may have been the antic that shut down his chances for good.
I read a lot of news and opinions on both sides.
The leftists have always hated him as is well known but the right is turning it's back on him as well.
He announced several weeks ago and has done zero events that outline his plan. No appearances or rallies.
His time has passed.
So the propaganda we've been exposed to for so many years is true? Orange man bad. Interesting
eddiememphis
12-12-2022, 21:24
So the propaganda we've been exposed to for so many years is true? Orange man bad. Interesting
It is not about him being bad. It is about him being an unelectable candidate.
If the Republicans want to win the White House in '24, they need to put forth a candidate that can win the undecided vote. Trump is not that guy.
They need to find someone that can draw Trump's base as well.
The GOP needs to get their shit together as soon as they can to unite their party. Their first step looks like it is going to be distancing themselves from Trump.
Fentonite
12-12-2022, 22:42
It is not about him being bad. It is about him being an unelectable candidate.
If the Republicans want to win the White House in '24, they need to put forth a candidate that can win the undecided vote. Trump is not that guy.
They need to find someone that can draw Trump's base as well.
The GOP needs to get their shit together as soon as they can to unite their party. Their first step looks like it is going to be distancing themselves from Trump.
Exactly. Why is this so hard to understand?
The Republicans have a long track record of failing to put forth candidates that appeal to anyone other than the core of the party. If the ever want to regain the White House, they're gonna have to come up with a candidate that people want to vote FOR, as opposed to simply being the alternative to a Hillary. The last R. that fit that mold was Reagan. Unfortunately, the party has drifted so far right that the "rising stars" feel like they have to alienate women, minorities, and libertarians to receive the support of the party's old guard. If they don't change course, they get the same results they have for the last 14 years. As someone once said, "Do what you've always done, and you'll get what you've always gotten". Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.
Martinjmpr
12-13-2022, 11:48
So the propaganda we've been exposed to for so many years is true? Orange man bad. Interesting
"Orange man" was never good.
Just because liberals hate the guy doesn't mean conservatives should like him. Some people are just crap.
eddiememphis
12-14-2022, 14:31
https://dontrunjoe.org/
It's not just the right that wants a change.
A left wing group called Roots Action has aired a commercial urging a change at the top of the Democratic party.
It seems that fewer and fewer people across the political spectrum want a Trump versus Biden rematch.
Bailey Guns
12-14-2022, 18:30
I just read somewhere (maybe FoxNews) about a new poll that showed support for Trump in 2024 is taking a nosedive. In the poll he finished 3rd behind DeSantis and Biden. Support for DeSantis really seems to be gaining traction.
Of course, this was a poll. Take it with a grain of salt.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2024-showdowns-biden-tops-trump-trails-desantis-national-polls-potential-match-ups
eddiememphis
12-15-2022, 17:02
https://www.cnet.com/culture/donald-trumps-major-announcement-turns-out-to-be-an-nft-collection/
At least he's peddling NFTs!
Get your Trump digital trading cards! Like baseball cards but much more exciting.
I think he's broke.
It's funny to me. The by far and away most active post on the Politics and Legislation forum, is Trump Runs Again.
Nothing about the Ukraine.
Nothing about the recession.
Nothing about the border crisis.
Nothing about the Twitter Files.
Nothing about the Defense of Marriage Act.
It's all just pure hate for Donald Trump.
-John
(just to be clear, Trump did not do any of those things above)
-John
eddiememphis
12-16-2022, 09:16
It's funny to me. The by far and away most active post on the Politics and Legislation forum, is Trump Runs Again.
...It's all just pure hate for Donald Trump.
-John
Not all hate. Several people on here have offered continuing support for him and his goals.
Donald Trump is a polarizing character. Just look at any news aggregator. Headlines about him still dominate, three years after leaving office.
It's funny to me. The by far and away most active post on the Politics and Legislation forum, is Trump Runs Again.
Nothing about the Ukraine.
Nothing about the recession.
Nothing about the border crisis.
Nothing about the Twitter Files.
Nothing about the Defense of Marriage Act.
It's all just pure hate for Donald Trump.
-John
I dont hate the Man, Im just not buying what hes selling.
colorider
12-16-2022, 16:16
I’d say it’s less about hate, and more about how he will not win an election again.
eddiememphis
12-16-2022, 21:32
I?d say it?s less about hate, and more about how he will not win an election again.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3777492-house-democrats-introduce-legislation-to-bar-trump-from-office-under-14th-amendment/
For sure not if this passes.
"...introduced legislation on Thursday to bar former President Trump from holding future federal office under the 14th Amendment."
?The 14th Amendment makes clear that based on his past behavior, Donald Trump is disqualified from ever holding federal office again and, under Section 5, Congress has the power to pass legislation to implement this prohibition,? Cicilline said.
They still hate/fear him so much, it's amazing.
Not all hate. Several people on here have offered continuing support for him and his goals.
Donald Trump is a polarizing character. Just look at any news aggregator. Headlines about him still dominate, three years after leaving office.
We know now, that the news, social sites, etc., have all been biased, against Trump. They have attempted to defame him, censor him, defame people that support him, censor people that support him.
The only people that are saying that Trump is a polarizing character, are the people that are conspiring to make Trump lose.
-John
You, sound like a Trump hater?
Do you watch a lot of TV?
That's just plane false, FoxtArt. Blinden and his friends have spent far more than Trump.
Kazoo, and Martin, I don't know how you can be so wrong.
-John
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were quoting the newest testament, because the right hand of Jesus promised to pay off the national debt in the Book of Trump he must be good for the budget, but lets not ACTUALLY check a fact or verify if our belief is remotely true or anything, no, that would be what a rational, responsible voter would do, and we can't be doing that, now can we.
https://www.sounddollar.com/national-debt-by-president
Trump spent in 4 what Obama did in 8.
Biden isn't even close to Trump's spending.
People worship a bunch of bad people in the world, Warren Jeffs, Ali Kahmeni, etc., THEIR belief in THEIR GUY is not any more valuable than YOURS. Actually look something up for a change before you start spouting off to everyone that Trump helps our national debt.
RblDiver
12-17-2022, 23:21
Nothing about the Twitter Files.
Because I posted that over in General.
We know now, that the news, social sites, etc., have all been biased, against Trump. They have attempted to defame him, censor him, defame people that support him, censor people that support him.
The only people that are saying that Trump is a polarizing character, are the people that are conspiring to make Trump lose.
-John
Trump is a polarizing figure. And I voted for him in the 16? General Election. And if voting for Mr. Sic Semper Tyrannanis in 20? means I conspired against him, so be it. Trump is a psyop and you, me, and a whole lot of other folks fell for it. Some of us picked ourselves up, saw him for who he is, and walked away. If he runs in 24? so be it, we have not had a free and just election since before the Civil War, what makes you and other people think it will start now with a guy who is bought and payed for by the biggest pockets on earth?
eddiememphis
12-18-2022, 09:15
We know now, that the news, social sites, etc., have all been biased, against Trump. They have attempted to defame him, censor him, defame people that support him, censor people that support him.
The only people that are saying that Trump is a polarizing character, are the people that are conspiring to make Trump lose.
-John
I am not sure if you understand polarizing as I used it. It means there is little middle ground- people either love him or hate him.
You, sound like a Trump hater?
I think he is a blowhard and a jackass but there is no hatred or even animosity there. I voted for him twice and if he wins the GOP primaries I will vote for him again. Anything to forestall the incessant creep of leftism.
Do you watch a lot of TV?
I do not. Very little, in fact. I do not have cable or satellite and the garbage on "regular" television is not worth me wasting my time.
I am not sure if you understand polarizing as I used it. It means there is little middle ground- people either love him or hate him.
I think he is a blowhard and a jackass but there is no hatred or even animosity there. I voted for him twice and if he wins the GOP primaries I will vote for him again. Anything to forestall the incessant creep of leftism.
I do not. Very little, in fact. I do not have cable or satellite and the garbage on "regular" television is not worth me wasting my time.
Oh, I understand polarizing. You either love him, or you hate him. Right?
The media is promoting the people that love him, as MAGA, and Terrorists, Fascists, etc.
The people that hate him, are progressive, right sounding, democrats, only interested in butterflies and waterfalls.
There is no middle ground.
Tell me that is not polarizing?
-John
When people say they?d vote for DeSantis:
https://twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1621156343280459776?s=20&t=hmlcJUeyijQIgrbXoQmFNQ
When people say they?d vote for DeSantis:
https://twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1621156343280459776?s=20&t=hmlcJUeyijQIgrbXoQmFNQ
I'm not sure the point of this twitter post. But DeSantis is basically correct here, the vaccine gave you a better chance of surviving a serious case. And yes, the ICU's and morgue's were seeing mostly people without even a single jabs.
What this twitter post helps illustrate is how you can have a PhD from MIT and still not be able to tell the difference between "95% of people in the ICU didn't get the jab" and "95% of all people who didn't get the jab will wind up in the ICU".
I plan to vote for DeSantis, and with a degree of enthusiasm I haven't felt a while.
I'm not sure the point of this twitter post. But DeSantis is basically correct here, the vaccine gave you a better chance of surviving a serious case. And yes, the ICU's and morgue's were seeing mostly people without even a single jabs.
What this twitter post helps illustrate is how you can have a PhD from MIT and still not be able to tell the difference between "95% of people in the ICU didn't get the jab" and "95% of all people who didn't get the jab will wind up in the ICU".
I plan to vote for DeSantis, and with a degree of enthusiasm I haven't felt a while.
DeSantis is not basically correct here.
People dying of ?The Suddenly? vastly outnumber the inflated numbers of Woo-Flu we were lied to about dying between 2020-2022.
DeSantis, Trump, most all of the prominent members of the GOP were on board with, promoted and pushed, and profited off of the lockdowns, vaccines, masks, closures, and Universal Basic Income checks via Trump Bucks and PPP Loans. DeSantis had checkpoints on roads going into/out of Florida, he and many others in positions of leadership and accountability jumped the shark on the Coof. Then, when people who were getting ridiculed and censored Dr. Shiva, Owen Benjamin, Dr. Mercola, and many others started swinging Right Wing opinions away from the Official Narrative, they switched positions and tried to hide their latent Communist tendencies and sympathies and become staunch defenders of Freedom. [ROFL2]
DeSantis is an owned foreign asset, just like 99.99% of all the other GOP politicians.
Some of us were paying closer attention than they would have liked and have not forgotten. People saved the receipts.
eddiememphis
02-05-2023, 21:12
DeSantis is an owned foreign asset, just like 99.99% of all the other GOP politicians.
Some of us were paying closer attention than they would have liked and have not forgotten. People saved the receipts.
Which country controls DeSantis? Or is the Bilderbergs, Illuminate... maybe the Masons?
Is that daft little girl Boebert part of the 99.99 percent? Who controls her?
Or, is it easier for you to list who is not "an owned foreign asset", since you have the receipts?
Which country controls DeSantis? Or is the Bilderbergs, Illuminate... maybe the Masons?
Is that daft little girl Boebert part of the 99.99 percent? Who controls her?
Or, is it easier for you to list who is not "an owned foreign asset", since you have the receipts?
I dont know anything about Boebert, but I bet you can find evidence of her verbally demonstrating her loyal support for her foreign masters, otherwise she would not be in politics, that or she is filling the new role of Ron Paul i.e. the token member of Congress who will buck the trend because the American people are too stupid to see what should be so blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes and ears and 10 brain cells left to rub together.
Come on guys, we cant make it TOO obvious, someone has to be the controlled opposition.
Whose National interest is valued higher by our government than our own? When politicians from both of the big parties cannot lick enough foreign boots and touch enough magic foreign retaining walls to secure another peoples airspace and borders it does not require that intelligent of a person to figure it out. What American owned private business did DeSantis threaten to kick out of Florida if they did not modify their TOS to cater to a particular country? What foreign country did he brag about holding a Gubernatorial Cabinet meeting in? Why would he sign legislation that is blatantly anti First Amendment, that only benefits foreign interests?
eddiememphis
02-05-2023, 23:16
Joe,
I asked you a direct question. What country controls DeSantis?
You didn't answer except with four questions, and something about Boebert that I don't understand.
When I was in 9th grade speech class, I was taught you never answer a question with a question. It is an evasive tactic when you can't back up your argument.
Ahh, so this is a Joo thing.. you should go over and join the AKFiles, a lot of Joo talk over there.
Delfuego
02-06-2023, 09:13
For Joe K
92881
Great-Kazoo
02-06-2023, 22:21
Ahh, so this is a Joo thing.. you should go over and join the AKFiles, a lot of Joo talk over there.
Joo got to be kidding me.
For Joe K
92881
[ROFL2]
Nice!
Joe,
I asked you a direct question. What country controls DeSantis?
You didn't answer except with four questions, and something about Boebert that I don't understand.
When I was in 9th grade speech class, I was taught you never answer a question with a question. It is an evasive tactic when you can't back up your argument.
Eddie,
Answering a direct question with questions back is often a viable strategy when you believe there is a good chance the person is asking you an insincere question.
Since you referred to High School, my response to you could be looked at as homework.
I do understand that indirect or cryptic answers can be frustrating, however on this and at least one other Gun Forum that purports to be full of Red Blooded Patriotic Constitution loving Americans, I have found that being completely open and direct about certain topics, produces even more upset responses from people who seem desperate to continue living in the mental prison walls they have accepted as normal.
A relevant historical example of replying to a question with a question:
?And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders, and spake unto him, saying, Tell us, by what authority doest thou these things? or who is he that gave thee this authority? And he answered and said unto them, I will also ask you one thing; and answer me: The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then believed ye him not? But and if we say, Of men; all the people will stone us: for they be persuaded that John was a prophet. And they answered, that they could not tell whence it was. And Jesus said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.?
Luke 20:1-8 KJV
kidicarus13
02-07-2023, 15:32
Can this thread die now?I don't know, can it?
Can this thread die now?
If enough people complain, yes.
BushMasterBoy
02-26-2023, 21:02
I remember Mar A Lago in 1986, it was abandoned. Same year I was on Miami Vice. Palm beach is really nice, he should stay there. Dumb Republicans, LMAO
Neatly and accurately by Ann Coulter:
https://thespectator.com/topic/republicans-played-donald-trump-nomination/
Republicans: you?re being played!
The left?s sole objective is to make Trump the GOP?s 2024 presidential nominee
April 5, 2023 | 5:08 pm
Written By:
Ann Coulter
A few years ago, I posted this riddle on Twitter:
What?s easier to roll than an Easter egg?
Answer: Donald Trump.
Now, I can add:
What?s easier to roll than Donald Trump?
Answer: Republican voters.
Democrats are playing Republicans like a fiddle. The left?s sole objective is to make Trump the Republicans? 2024 presidential nominee. He?s already lost three election cycles for the GOP ? why not make it four?
A month ago, things were looking bad for the Democrats.
Immediately after Trump announced for president last November, he may as well have gone into the witness protection program. Even Fox News cut away from his announcement speech. He had to have dinner with a noted Hitler enthusiast to get any attention ? and, when he spoke at CPAC in February, the room was half-empty.
Looming before them was the threat from Florida: Governor Ron DeSantis. He was beating Trump in the presidential polls without even announcing. He?d scored victory after victory against Democrats and won his reelection bid ? in a purple state! ? by twenty points, despite attacks from Trump.
Against DeSantis?s smarts and energy, the Democrats would be running President Senile Dementia and a vice president whose sole credentials are that she is black and a woman.
They had only one hope: get Trump the nomination. Liberals: HE?S A DANGER TO THE NATION! NEVER HAVE WE FACED SUCH PERIL! Now let?s do everything we can to make sure he gets the nomination.
And that?s why Democrats indicted Trump on absurd charges this week, with the media covering the event like it was the capture of Osama bin Laden. Today, the party mandarins are sitting around laughing as Republicans trip over themselves to defend Trump.
This was the whole point of my book, Resistance Is Futile: How the Trump-Hating Left Lost Its Collective Mind. Instead of attacking Trump for the things he?d actually done, liberals would run off and make wild charges, forcing normal people to say, I don?t like the guy, but he?s not a Russian agent.
The endless stream of preposterous charges against Trump only helped him.
So why not launch another ridiculous accusation to help him get the nomination? That?s exactly what they did in last year?s GOP primaries, supporting Trump?s nut-bar candidates, knowing they would go on to lose the general election. By boosting Trump?s candidates, Democrats managed to pull out a historic midterm victory for Biden.
And now, they?re doing it again, trying to trick Republicans into choosing the worst possible presidential nominee. Guess what? It?s working! New GOP motto: unable to learn from the third kick of a mule.
In response to Trump?s arraignment on Tuesday, all conservative media swept aside news of out-of-control crime, chaos at the border, fentanyl overdoses and the looming recession. Their No. 1 job became: SAVE TRUMP! A major conservative talk radio host even suggested DeSantis stand down and endorse Trump.
True, everyone at MSNBC is a Trump-hating zealot. But this helps obscure the real objective. Half the Democrats genuinely hate Trump, and the other half are saying, This is fantastic. We?re going to win him the nomination.
Politico reports that Biden?s senior advisirs reacted to Trump?s recent surge in the polls with unmitigated joy. ?We beat Trump once, they say, and will again.?
They?re absolutely right. After voters reject you once, they almost never change their minds. In all of US history, losing presidential candidates have run again about a dozen times. Only three of those renominations were successful ? and only one since 1892. (Nixon was the only one to do it in the past 131 years. Of course, that first election probably was stolen from him, but Nixon graciously conceded, instead of running around making a complete ass of himself.)
Everyone acts as if Trump?s 2016 win was a gigantic, stupendous victory, when in reality he barely squeaked by. Don?t confuse ?startling? with ?big.?
He was running against the most hated woman in politics.
Moreover, the country had been incessantly told that Hillary had it in the bag. On Election Day, the New York Times put her chances of winning at 85 percent. Princeton professor Sam Wang ? who?d correctly predicted forty-nine out of fifty states in 2012! ? said Clinton was more than 99 percent likely to be the next president. How many Clinton voters saw those polls and thought, I?ll just say I voted for her and go get my nails done.
Yet and still, out of 139 million votes cast in 2016, Trump won with a mere 80,000 votes across three states. Flip those votes, and Hillary wins.
Trump?s winning was a shock, but it wasn?t an amazing, spectacular victory, indicative of some sort of electoral magic.
And then, of course, Trump went on turn his presidency over to Jared and Ivanka, betray his voters (But he moved the embassy!) and lose the next three election cycles.
Republicans: No matter how angry you are at Democrats for politicizing the law, please remember: Trump. Will. Lose. To. Biden. There is absolutely no scenario in which he wins. The good news is there?s virtually no scenario where Biden wins ? unless Trump is his opponent.
hollohas
04-06-2023, 14:55
^ spot on.
Unfortunately, yes. George Will agrees and goes further to explain how DeSantis shot himself in the foot through several fundamental policy errors that took him from the leading candidate to falling in the shadow of Trump. Things don't look pretty now.
https://www.dnronline.com/opinion/maybe-just-maybe-this-is-rock-bottom-for-embarrassing-u-s-politics/article_c8b95320-9db7-5150-833e-3ac84cc1e343.html
I also agree that the charges against The Don are trumped up, a travesty for the nation, unwinnable in the long run, and divisive. I wish that Bragg could be sued civilly for malicious prosecution, and disbarred, all that fun stuff that will never happen. Maybe the only save is for Trump to be Epsteined in his castle. Trump and Putin both.
Most of the nation is done listening to media pundits like George Will or Ann Coulter.
They are part of the media elite, and this is what they do.
Donald Trump, remains the only free speaking, free acting, Presidential Candidate we have.
No bullshit. He says what he means, he means what he says.
This is the champion that America voted for (twice.)
-John
Just think about it.
Who out there, is actually being conservative?
Only, Donald Trump.
-John
Most of the nation is done listening to media pundits like George Will or Ann Coulter.
No bullshit. He says what he means, he means what he says.
-John
Not always. He was pro-choice until he got the nomination, and then became pro-life. But kept telling his team that banning abortion would be a disaster for the Republican party (a prediction now coming true).
He discussed banning semi-autos and suppressers but backed of because it would piss off some of his base. Clearly politics wone out over principles there.
When he 'lost' the second time around he literally sabotaged the Senate runoff's in Georgia by telling his supporters to stay home, and thereby handing the Senate to the Dems.
He is many things (some good and some not so good) but a "No bullshit" principled conservative he never was.
Regarding Hummer's post: Sure, Will and Coulter are mainstream Republican apparatchiks more loyal to party than any principle, but pay attention to what they are saying about the ability of R's to win elections. Because for better or worse our 2A rights are tied to the stupid Republican party which is in a tailspin right now thanks to the abortion bans and the utterly unserious nutcases that they keep running for office. You may not like the messenger, but the message is spot on.
Just think about it.
Who out there, is actually being conservative?
Only, Donald Trump.
-John
It always amazes me how the most obvious con-job narcissists out there have a cult of worshipers that visually see the harm, but sweep it under the rug.
He's not a Conservative. He spent more than any president in history. He's a bankrupt democrat from New York that has donated to HRC.
He's not a Christian. He's an actor in makeup. Yet "you people" will call him the "right hand of Jesus".
Every bona-fide serial killer out there has sudden groups of fangirls that want to marry them. Nobody will ever change your mind on Trump, but just know I don't think there's many people outside of his fan girls that believe Donald is a conservative, much less the "only" one, so you're a fan girl shouting to everyone the serial killer is innocent, it was a pure coincidence a bunch of heads were in the freezer.
150,000,000 million other options besides him. Only one increased the national debt by 8 trillion in a single term. (40% increase) which is a ton of money printed, and coincidentally, matches the inflation we all experienced afterwards...
But the inflation was all Biden's fault, just like Afghanistan.
If Trump is your signpost, Obama and Biden both are much more fiscally conservative. It's fine to get your bedroom poster signed and go to a book signing, but an idol is usually not what they appear.
eddiememphis
04-08-2023, 12:00
Just think about it.
Who out there, is actually being conservative?
Rand Paul. Mike Lee. Ted Cruz.
Trump is not a conservative. He is a populist.
Trump was a lifelong Democrat from NYC who was best friends with Michael Bloomberg and Bill Clinton.
His entire Presidency was a PSYOP... as with Obama before him and Dubya before him.
They were not running our country. They were figureheads for the People to point fingers at and blame.
And now we have Biden, which just seems a slap in the face.
What's next? A drag queen POTUS? Honestly, nothing they do shocks me at this point.
BushMasterBoy
04-10-2023, 10:56
Trump was a lifelong Democrat from NYC who was best friends with Michael Bloomberg and Bill Clinton.
His entire Presidency was a PSYOP... as with Obama before him and Dubya before him.
They were not running our country. They were figureheads for the People to point fingers at and blame.
And now we have Biden, which just seems a slap in the face.
What's next? A drag queen POTUS? Honestly, nothing they do shocks me at this point.
It is not a constitutional republic, the US is a military industrial complex. It is run by bankers and generals. Don't forget the intelligence community!
It is not a constitutional republic, the US is a military industrial complex. It is run by bankers and generals. Don't forget the intelligence community!
You know, son... if an elite secret cabal were running this country, I reckon things would run a lot smoother.
The thing is powerful elite secret groups certainly do hold power within our government... but they're clearly not on the same side... they seem to backstab and sabotage one another often... and what's best for the People isn't even a secondary concern to them.
And that's why I'm not political... it's all a scam.
Delfuego
04-11-2023, 08:25
For Clint 45 too. You guys really need to check out 4chan/8chan. No stupid shooting sports talk. Just real true info.
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Firehaus
04-11-2023, 10:27
Did you mean 8kun?
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For Clint45 too. You guys really need to check out 4chan/8chan. No stupid shooting sports talk. Just real true info.
I see you are one of those autistic frog friens with a penchant for "loli" hentai. How unfortunate. I advise deleting Tor from your phone.
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