Proposed Colorado semi-auto gun ban

[OneGuy67]

I've attached a draft House Bill for this legislative session, entitled Concerning the "Mass Shooting Prevention Act of 2023". Everyone needs to read this and pass it along to others.

This is the draft only. I obtained it from a liberal FB page. Not sure where they got it.

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[OneGuy67]

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[.455_Hunter]

What a wish list. I like the burden of proof for legal ownership being transferred to the citizen. [Rant1] Do they realize how many arms in the state fit their definition? [facepalm]

[The Rat]

What a wish list. I like the burden of proof for legal ownership being transferred to the citizen. [Rant1] Do they realize how many arms in the state fit their definition? [facepalm]

That's my thought too. How many people actually keep receipts? I'd wager not many. What other means do we have of showing ownership?

[.455_Hunter]

The draft language of the bill contains the same tired patronizing innuendo and the content fully demonstrates they have absolutely no clue about the firearms they intend to regulate and their commonality in society. From the bill, you would assume there are only a few hundred of the items currently in existence within the states borders.

[eddiememphis]

8 states plus D.C. have "assault weapon" bans in place.

The drafters of this bill likely copied their laws. Which were probably based on the 1994 ban that Joe Biden claims to have written. It was actually Diane Feinstein but why let a little truth soil your career?

The gun ban organizations will also lend their lawyers to help draft bills. Everytown was most likely behind all the local bills that were forwarded in the last year.

[bellavite1]

As far as legal ownership I would start by taking pictures of the serial numbers.
They will have a time stamp.
Add your driver's license in the picture and it should definitely help.
Not sure if it will meet the definition of "burden of proof" but we should have a record anyways.

[Eric P]

Thier gun registry is proof of my legal ownership. I mean background check database.

[.455_Hunter]

Ex post facto anyone?

[thedave1164]

I no longer care to entertain their infringing on my GOD given rights.

[BPTactical]

Well that didn’t take long.

They will pass it.
The Dems have the strongest majority in Colorado government since 1947.
They control every single substantial elected office.
There is nothing to stop them.

Prepare accordingly

[Eric P]

My hope is the city bans are overturned and a few state bans are overturned based on recent USSC rulings.

There is zero historical basis for banning firearms based on features, function or capacity. Prior to Brady, there was no historical basis to obtain permission either, so I hope the national truly pro 2A groups go after permission slips also. We need to bring back mail order firearms for all.

A lock on my front door is sufficient to properly secure my tools.

[BPTactical]

My hope is the city bans are overturned and a few state bans are overturned based on recent USSC rulings.

There is zero historical basis for banning firearms based on features, function or capacity. Prior to Brady, there was no historical basis to obtain permission either, so I hope the national truly pro 2A groups go after permission slips also. We need to bring back mail order firearms for all.

A lock on my front door is sufficient to properly secure my tools.



Get out of here with logic and common sense.
This is about feels and control.

[rondog]

"Assault weapons" - stupid fucks, they think there's millions of select-fire weapons flooding the country? Don't ya just wanna slap the living shit out of a few thousand politicians?

[beast556]

Sadly this will pass, there will be nothing we can do to stop it. The dems have solid controll of this state now.

[eddiememphis]

After the Club Q shooting, I mentioned in another thread that there was immediate talk of an "assault weapons" ban.

Several members said that it will never pass because Polis said he doesn't support such a ban.

My question there, and here, is if such a ban passes both houses (which is very likely), will he sign it into law?

I say he will. He has aspirations for the big office in Washington.

Signing an "assault weapons" ban will give him credibility with the soccer mom type swing voter that is uninformed about firearm issues, other than knowing they are bad. Looking like he is doing something to curb the unmitigated horror that black rifles represent will gain him more votes than it will cost him, on a national level.

He is term limited as Colorado Governor so what he does now won't affect his potential future in the state (unless he runs again in 2030 after sitting out the '26 term).

[RussDXT]

Who has a grenade launcher? I have missed that party.

[eddiememphis]

https://denvergazette.com/opinion/columns/guest-column-assault-weapon-still-a-bogeyman-for-colorado-pols/article_99c09e33-0d46-5bcd-99d2-1254ab21685f.html

Dave Kopel's take on it. Nothing that hasn't been discussed here often.

Instead of addressing firepower, the 2023 state legislature will likely copy definitions from recent laws written by the national gun prohibition lobbies for municipalities in Boulder.

[Rucker61]

Apparently they aren't usable on public lands, so no more shooting your "assault weapons" on the Pawnee.

[Rucker61]

Bruen has already rendered these types of ban moot. SCOTUS has already kicked Bianchi v Frosh back to the 4th.

[Bailey Guns]

I feel safer just reading that...

[BlasterBob]

I wonder why are they including .50 BMG rifles and ALL .50 BMG rounds? Doubtful very few, if any, have been involved in any crimes or driveby’s.

[MED]

This is Colorado; it will pass; it's a very hostile state. As far as proof of ownership, I'm going to setup lists with the SN of things I want documented and have them notarized. Three more years and I can leave this shit hole of a state.

[newracer]

I will not comply.

[MED]

Since this is the "Mass Shooting Reduction Act", I would like to know what mass shooting was done with a 50bmg....lol What a load of BS!

[.455_Hunter]

It's all virtue signaling at its finest, propagated by Progressive Karens who grovel at the feet of the Mom's Who Need Some Action and similar ilk.

The responsible people who own 99.98% of these platforms are apparently immaterial to the bigots like Rap Sheet Rhonda and most of the urban delegation.

[GeorgeandSugar]

"Assault weapons" - stupid fucks, they think there's millions of select-fire weapons flooding the country? Don't ya just wanna slap the living shit out of a few thousand politicians?

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[GeorgeandSugar]

I wonder when SCOTUS is going to step up and put an end to this foolishness? Boiler plate cobbled together from a whole host of other documents to attempt to cover all ground. Barf[emoji2961]


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[Great-Kazoo]

I'd be happy to provide receipts for any and all guns i gifted, before leaving CO. As well as the collection i gifted, prior to my divorce ;)

[20X11]

SO...questions for everyone this directly impacts...
1. The serialized lower/s need to be transported in a locked case/box?
2. What about legally purchased items that were obtained from a private party before ffl transfer law with no paperwork requirement?
3. What about legally inherited/family transfers where no paperwork was required, and no idea of original purchase?
4. What about all of the non-serialized lowers that were created without restriction?
5. Does this create a "de-facto" registration scheme?

[eddiememphis]

"The prohibition does not apply to…Possession or importation of an assault weapon for used exclusively in an established sport competition;"

Just have to start on organization that is free to join and has an annual competition for "assault weapons".

[hollohas]

Hunting or shooting on public lands appears to be unlawful possession in this bill...

[BPTactical]

Text of proposed bill:

https://www.scribd.com/document/618794733/Gun-ban#

[.455_Hunter]

Story now in media...

https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/local-politics/colorado-legislative-session-2023-gun-law-speaker/73-d15b096d-6c6d-409c-9412-e72658206d17

[whitewalrus]

Scary. Having any of the one characteristics makes it qualify. Which the federal ban I thought it had to have multiple. So a threaded barrel in your pistol is now an assault weapon.


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[eddiememphis]

https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2023/01/09/colorado-democrats-aim-to-ban-entire-class-of-semiautomatic-weapons/

Sherrie Peif has an article as well...

Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams also took issue with the constitutionality of the bill.

"On face value, it violates someone's Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights by forcing them to provide evidence against themselves,"

"Whoever authored the bill has some familiarity with guns, but not complete familiarity," Reams said. "The nomenclature they use doesn't make any sense, including the things they are using to describe an assault rifle. So If I buy gun that weighs more than 50 ounces (which under the new law would be illegal), but I put different grips on it making it less than 50 ounces, it's now legal?"

"I am not going to take something away from someone and have them try to prove to me that it's legal. That's just not the way the constitution works."

Good for him.

[O2HeN2]

I'm going to setup lists with the SN of things I want documented and have them notarized.
This is about the only way I can think of to prove ownership.

Even receipts don't have serial numbers on them, so that receipt for the AR? How do I [government] know that it's *this* AR that I confiscated?

Timestamps on pictures can be modified, so that's not proof. Pictures with newspapers don't prove anything since I can dig out an old newspaper and take a picture of a firearm with it.

Also remember that this bill becomes law the MOMENT it's signed. So you better get a notarized list of serial number done NOW.

The beauty of a notarized list is that it's not registration. Only you have the list. And if you don't have a safe deposit box now, you better get one.

I maintain a list of all my firearms and their serial numbers in case of theft. I'm planning on printing that out and getting it notarized soon.

O2

Ps. No statement above construes that I agree with any part of the bill in any shape or form.

[newracer]

Doing anything now is a waste of time as the bill is likely to change before passing and becoming law.

[O2HeN2]

Doing anything now is a waste of time as the bill is likely to change before passing and becoming law.

Though true, just keep in mind that the moment it passes it's too late to do anything.

O2

[newracer]

Though true, just keep in mind that the moment it passes it's too late to do anything.

O2

Typically a law doesn't go into effect until the next calendar year. Unless they specify it is an immediate threat that needs immediate action. An example would be the magazine ban, it was passed in March and went into effect in July. The released bill has no such wording.

[O2HeN2]

Typically a law doesn't go into effect until the next calendar year. Unless they specify it is an immediate threat that needs immediate action. An example would be the magazine ban, it was passed in March and went into effect in July. The released bill has no such wording.

"Section 3. Effective date. This act takes effect upon passage."

O2

[KevDen2005]

As far as legal ownership I would start by taking pictures of the serial numbers.
They will have a time stamp.
Add your driver's license in the picture and it should definitely help.
Not sure if it will meet the definition of "burden of proof" but we should have a record anyways.

I think that's always a good idea and not just with firearms. Other valuable too. Keep pics on a thumb drive in your safe or a place you may need to provide LE in the event of theft or to insurance.

[KevDen2005]

Bruen has already rendered these types of ban moot. SCOTUS has already kicked Bianchi v Frosh back to the 4th.

In light of Bruen, I just can't figure out how these states keep doing this?

Maybe because their is no recourse against legislators on things like this?

[newracer]

"Section 3. Effective date. This act takes effect upon passage."

O2

I was under the impression that it had to be stated in the bill the need for immediate action, guess I was wrong.

[KAPA]

In light of Bruen, I just can't figure out how these states keep doing this?

Maybe because their is no recourse against legislators on things like this?

Need some recourse to these legislators that keep trying to undermine the constitution. If it’s the correct kind, then this stuff will stop.

[O2HeN2]

In light of Bruen, I just can't figure out how these states keep doing this?
Because no one yet has been charged with treason. I hope that will change one day.

O2

[.455_Hunter]

Doing anything now is a waste of time as the bill is likely to change before passing and becoming law.

I agree as the bill version we have seen was probably not ready for prime time. However, documenting your firearms and tracking down some receipts is never a bad idea, even in a free state.

[clodhopper]

I agree as the bill version we have seen was probably not ready for prime time. However, documenting your firearms and tracking down some receipts is never a bad idea, even in a free state.


If the state wants to come document my grandfathered firearms they are welcome to try. Otherwise, everything I have, I have always had. It is the state's job to prove me guilty. If there isnt evidence of the purchase pre-law, then how can it be determined that I broke the law?

I guess that is a line for me. If I end up like the Jan 6th defendees, then I will be the poster boy for you guys to fight the state.

[Joe_K]

Easy way to not stress about this, or any other proposed or existing law.

Step 1. Does said or proposed law align with a plain text lay persons reading of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of These United States?

Step 2. If it does Not align, disregard said or proposed law and try to ignore all conversions about it going forward.

Step 3. If said or proposed Gun law does indeed align with the Second Amendment to the Constitution of These United States shrug and get back to doing whatever you were doing before you found out said or proposed law.

[Eric P]

In light of Bruen, I just can't figure out how these states keep doing this?

Maybe because their is no recourse against legislators on things like this?

That's the whole reason for the 2nd...

[kidicarus13]

Illinois just banned them...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/illinois-latest-us-state-ban-assault-weapons/story?id=96356906

[eddiememphis]

Step 2. If it does Not align, disregard said or proposed law and try to ignore all conversions about it going forward.

Disregarding and ignoring existing law is how one ends up incarcerated, regardless of your feelings about the Constitutional legality of that law.

Jails have plenty of "sovereign citizens" in them.

[kidicarus13]

Disregarding and ignoring existing law is how one ends up incarcerated, regardless of your feelings about the Constitutional legality of that law.

Jails have plenty of "sovereign citizens" in them.Bruce Doucette agrees from prison...

https://www.cpr.org/2018/05/24/colorado-prosecutors-hope-to-send-a-message-with-sovereign-citizen-convictions/

Know the potential consequences before choosing to buck the law.

[Martinjmpr]

Doing anything now is a waste of time as the bill is likely to change before passing and becoming law.

Yes, this bill is a "wish list" of everything they want. It's likely to be watered down when it comes up for debate. The issue of having to prove ownership of a firearm that a person has owned for decades is problematic and opponents of the bill are likely to point that out.


In light of Bruen, I just can't figure out how these states keep doing this?

Maybe because their is no recourse against legislators on things like this?

There is. Every two years on the first Tuesday of November. ;)

[BPTactical]

Yes, this bill is a "wish list" of everything they want. It's likely to be watered down when it comes up for debate. The issue of having to prove ownership of a firearm that a person has owned for decades is problematic and opponents of the bill are likely to point that out.



There is. Every two years on the first Tuesday of November. ;)


You mean that "Vote" thing right?[ROFL3]

[Eric P]

Stop pointing out the unconstitutional parts for them to fix.

Leaving in that language makes it easier for the courts to kill.

[hollohas]

Yes, this bill is a "wish list" of everything they want. It's likely to be watered down when it comes up for debate. The issue of having to prove ownership of a firearm that a person has owned for decades is problematic and opponents of the bill are likely to point that out.



There is. Every two years on the first Tuesday of November. ;)They won't water it down at all. Colorado government is as liberal as it gets. They will pass it in full and let the courts decide how much sticks. Then they'll fight that too.

[eddiememphis]

They won't water it down at all. Colorado government is as liberal as it gets. They will pass it in full and let the courts decide how much sticks. Then they'll fight that too.

In the time between the bill being signed and the potential overturning by the courts, President Polis may be in his second term.

That is why he will sign it.

[Joe_K]

Disregarding and ignoring existing law is how one ends up incarcerated, regardless of your feelings about the Constitutional legality of that law.

Jails have plenty of "sovereign citizens" in them.

I am not a sovereign citizen, Its just that I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. I did not see an expiration date on that deal, or an exemption to disregarding it if some legislators, foreigners, or my neighbors tried to subvert the Constitution while using the legal and political framework to destroy it from within. The freedom thieves can only take what you willingly give away.

[Clint45]

Who has a grenade launcher? I have missed that party.

It's a bolt on muzzle device intended to launch rifle grenades via an overloaded blank.

[KevDen2005]

Yes, this bill is a "wish list" of everything they want. It's likely to be watered down when it comes up for debate. The issue of having to prove ownership of a firearm that a person has owned for decades is problematic and opponents of the bill are likely to point that out.



There is. Every two years on the first Tuesday of November. ;)

I keep voting for the guy that has the "D" next to his name and things always seem to get worse. I can't figure it out.

[Tim K]

It’s shocking how little media attention this has gotten and how few gun owners know about it. After reading this thread a couple days ago, I’ve mentioned it to 6-8 other shooters. In every case it was the first they’d heard of it.

[Great-Kazoo]

It’s shocking how little media attention this has gotten and how few gun owners know about it. After reading this thread a couple days ago, I’ve mentioned it to 6-8 other shooters. In every case it was the first they’d heard of it.

What did you expect? back when the gunshow BGC / private sales was on the ballot. 90%+ of gun owners had no clue what the bill was. Or even aware what passage of it would do to casual sales, in CO.

[OneGuy67]

It’s shocking how little media attention this has gotten and how few gun owners know about it. After reading this thread a couple days ago, I’ve mentioned it to 6-8 other shooters. In every case it was the first they’d heard of it.

This is the very reason I posted this. I am hoping that word of mouth from here will help get the message out. Tell your friends, tell your neighbors, their friends. Share with everyone you can.

[Martinjmpr]

I keep voting for the guy that has the "D" next to his name and things always seem to get worse. I can't figure it out..

Republicans: "We can't figure out why people aren't voting for us. We are the party of reasonableness and common sense."

Also Republicans: Missouri Republicans pass a rule requiring women to cover their arms in the state House chamber (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/missouri-republicans-pass-rule-requiring-192105277.html)


EDITED TO ADD: Yes, I get that the above happened in Missouri and not in Colorado, but it illustrates what the modern Republican party has become, at least in the eyes of middle-of-the-road voters. It's become the party of Lauren Boebert, MTG, Matt Gaetz and God help us, Donald Trump.

And we wonder why people vote for Democrats.

[Joe_K]

Republicans: "We can't figure out why people aren't voting for us. We are the party of reasonableness and common sense."

Also Republicans: Missouri Republicans pass a rule requiring women to cover their arms in the state House chamber (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/missouri-republicans-pass-rule-requiring-192105277.html)


EDITED TO ADD: Yes, I get that the above happened in Missouri and not in Colorado, but it illustrates what the modern Republican party has become, at least in the eyes of middle-of-the-road voters. It's become the party of Lauren Boebert, MTG, Matt Gaetz and God help us, Donald Trump.

And we wonder why people vote for Democrats.
Gross, Who wants females in government?

[eddiememphis]

Gross, Who wants females in government?

Next thing you know, they'll be allowed to vote!

[Martinjmpr]

Next thing you know, they'll be allowed to vote!

It's well known that women's hair emits rays that drive men mad.

[kidicarus13]

Cover it up.92605

[hollohas]

Republicans: "We can't figure out why people aren't voting for us. We are the party of reasonableness and common sense."

Also Republicans: Missouri Republicans pass a rule requiring women to cover their arms in the state House chamber (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/missouri-republicans-pass-rule-requiring-192105277.html)


EDITED TO ADD: Yes, I get that the above happened in Missouri and not in Colorado, but it illustrates what the modern Republican party has become, at least in the eyes of middle-of-the-road voters. It's become the party of Lauren Boebert, MTG, Matt Gaetz and God help us, Donald Trump.

And we wonder why people vote for Democrats.

WTF are you talking about? This is in NO way a republican party platform. Not one of those people you mentioned are in favor, or would be in favor, of requiring women to cover their arms.

[KevDen2005]

Republicans: "We can't figure out why people aren't voting for us. We are the party of reasonableness and common sense."

Also Republicans: Missouri Republicans pass a rule requiring women to cover their arms in the state House chamber (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/missouri-republicans-pass-rule-requiring-192105277.html)


EDITED TO ADD: Yes, I get that the above happened in Missouri and not in Colorado, but it illustrates what the modern Republican party has become, at least in the eyes of middle-of-the-road voters. It's become the party of Lauren Boebert, MTG, Matt Gaetz and God help us, Donald Trump.

And we wonder why people vote for Democrats.

Missouri is a blue state pretending to be a red state. Lots of welfare and government entitlements with high taxes.

[Joe_K]

Next thing you know, they'll be allowed to vote!

One of the major death blows to the Republic.

[leightoncash]

I read the news online everyday, including 9news.com. How the hell did I miss THIS??
My heart sinks when I think about how Colorado has changed since I moved here in 2008. My kids have grown up here, it's all they know. My professional reputation resides here. Now, I'm not about to move to another state just because I want my ARs. I almost never shoot them. But the direction of the state will continue, and eventually we'll have the taxes and other things going on that make the bluest states so bad. I just lost my shooting range (Clear Creek in Dumont), because the state wants to close public lands to shooting, so the county cancelled the lease for my range. So now I can't practice for USPSA at my own range, take friends shooting in the mountains, or go shoot clays with my boys on Squaw Pass up above my house. That really stings, and I feel less free.

[kidicarus13]

I read the news online everyday, including 9news.com. How the hell did I miss THIS??
My heart sinks when I think about how Colorado has changed since I moved here in 2008. My kids have grown up here, it's all they know. My professional reputation resides here. Now, I'm not about to move to another state just because I want my ARs. I almost never shoot them. But the direction of the state will continue, and eventually we'll have the taxes and other things going on that make the bluest states so bad. I just lost my shooting range (Clear Creek in Dumont), because the state wants to close public lands to shooting, so the county cancelled the lease for my range. So now I can't practice for USPSA at my own range, take friends shooting in the mountains, or go shoot clays with my boys on Squaw Pass up above my house. That really stings, and I feel less free.


I just lost my shooting range (Clear Creek in Dumont), because the state wants to close public lands to shooting, so the county cancelled the lease for my range.

Sounds like a new range is being constructed in Dumont... https://www.co.clear-creek.co.us/719/Recreational-Sport-Shooting

[eddiememphis]

...or go shoot clays with my boys on Squaw Pass up above my house. That really stings, and I feel less free.

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/mestaaehehe-mountain-squaw-mountain-colorado-renaming/

Mestaa'Ėhehe Pass, you unforgivably racist monster!

[VolksDragon]

This will likely pass. Review that list, decide what you want to own in the future, and buy it now.

[mahabali]

Bumping this back up so everyone sees it. Maybe we should add some context to the thread name so it gets more attention? Something like “Proposed Colorado AWB?”

[Clint45]

Next thing you know, they'll be allowed to vote!

It's not like they actually count the votes anymore. I honestly believe they stopped counting votes for POTUS after Carter got elected.

[theGinsue]

Bumping this back up so everyone sees it. Maybe we should add some context to the thread name so it gets more attention? Something like “Proposed Colorado AWB?”

Agreed and done.

I've always disliked vague or misleading thread titles.

[arbol]

This should also be in the Politics Forum, not general discussion.

[Oscar77]

I read the news online everyday, including 9news.com. How the hell did I miss THIS??
My heart sinks when I think about how Colorado has changed since I moved here in 2008. My kids have grown up here, it's all they know. My professional reputation resides here. Now, I'm not about to move to another state just because I want my ARs. I almost never shoot them. But the direction of the state will continue, and eventually we'll have the taxes and other things going on that make the bluest states so bad. I just lost my shooting range (Clear Creek in Dumont), because the state wants to close public lands to shooting, so the county cancelled the lease for my range. So now I can't practice for USPSA at my own range, take friends shooting in the mountains, or go shoot clays with my boys on Squaw Pass up above my house. That really stings, and I feel less free.


As Kid points out and I was a member too............. they most definately did close the private range there, but they are replacing it with a public one.
Doesn't help and still frustrating...........but the Club was clear to members that was what they were doing.........

[Oscar77]

And here's an interesting article over an interview with our Governor:

https://kdvr.com/news/politics/colorado-politics-news/polis-talks-gun-reform-including-red-flag-expansion/

For now he seems more interested in the other scams and not the AWB.........he claims to not even be aware of it.

[Great-Kazoo]

And here's an interesting article over an interview with our Governor:

https://kdvr.com/news/politics/colorado-politics-news/polis-talks-gun-reform-including-red-flag-expansion/

For now he seems more interested in the other scams and not the AWB.........he claims to not even be aware of it.

By pretending ignorance, he will also tell you. The documents found in bidens home and college, were put there by right wing operatives.

[crays]

From the article cited above:

we were joined by Republican and Democratic mayors saying we need to do something about ghost guns. They?re untraceable. Often, it?s just clicking two or three things together ? they come in the mail ? assembling the gun, no serial number, not conforming with any of our standards or background checks, and we need to take action on that,? Polis said.

Wow.. Apparently just like legos... No skill or tools required I guess... Snap two or three pieces together and BAM, fully functional and reliable... Where can a guy get some of THAT? ...asking for several friends... [fudd]

[eddiememphis]

This should also be in the Politics Forum, not general discussion.

There are a lot of recent threads that applies to.

[BushMasterBoy]

PVC pipe, end caps, GPS location and metal detectors. It is for our Constitutional national security.

[eddiememphis]

PVC pipe, end caps, GPS location and metal detectors. It is for our Constitutional national security.

That is for an archaeologist to find in 1000 years.

What good is burying your gun? When the overlords come a knockin', you won't have time to find 6 C cell batteries for your Radio Shack metal detector, dig it up and make it ready to fire.

[Zundfolge]

PVC pipe, end caps, GPS location and metal detectors. It is for our Constitutional national security.

As the old saying goes; if its time to bury them its time to use them.

[hollohas]

Americans won't ever "use 'em". We're perfectly happy at home hugging them and hoping no one reports us for contraband.

Hell, so many gun owning right wingers lost their shit when a bunch of unarmed protesters took allegedly uninvited selfies at the Capitol. They said "We don't do that, we're the party of the LAW AND ORDER".

Nobody will use them, ever. If they do, we'll loudly speak out against them.

[BushMasterBoy]

I have a couple of these, in case you lose your keys in the snow!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204032632004

[theGinsue]

This should also be in the Politics Forum, not general discussion.


There are a lot of recent threads that applies to.

In a lot of cases, the staff and I would agree with you.

Main stream media is failing to cover this topic and lots of our members don't look through all of the various forums, but most everyone checks out the General Discussion forum regularly. In this case, getting the word out by leaving this thread (for now) in the most read forum on the site is a better option.

[arbol]

In a lot of cases, the staff and I would agree with you.

Main stream media is failing to cover this topic and lots of our members don't look through all of the various forums, but most everyone checks out the General Discussion forum regularly. In this case, getting the word out by leaving this thread (for now) in the most read forum on the site is a better option.
Thank you for the explanation, Ginsue!

Now back to the topic at hand!

-John

[zulu01]

John Caldara interview with VP of Colorado State Shooting Association. Nothing we don't already know about the semi-auto ban but at the 44:25 mark he mentions other bills that may be introduced this session. To include ammo background checks, raising the age limit to 21 and requiring insurance on each gun owned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSSeAg5wbBQ

[CO Hugh]

Call it ban the scary looking guns bill.

[TEAMRICO]

So, if they do this in the state of CO do you think Military PX?s and BX?s will play along? They sell firearms. The commissary still uses plastic bags so they are not playing along with the bag ban.

They did go along with the 10 rd mag limit though.

[eddiememphis]

So, if they do this in the state of CO do you think Military PX?s and BX?s will play along? They sell firearms. The commissary still uses plastic bags so they are not playing along with the bag ban.

They did go along with the 10 rd mag limit though.

Good question.

Who is the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) on a military base?

[BushMasterBoy]

Good question.

Who is the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) on a military base?

Federal Court. Unless you are a military member, then a court martial is possible. Title 10 & Title 18 US Code will apply. Installation commander can make his own rules. Internal Security Act of 1950 is applicable. Court martial is governed by the UCMJ.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran_Internal_Security_Act#/media/File:Use_of_Deadly_Force_Authorized_(5730792058).j pg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran_Internal_Security_Act#/media/File:Use_of_Deadly_Force_Authorized_(5730792058).j pg

[The Rat]

A newer draft got leaked on the RMGO page: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=545890114244975&set=pcb.545890437578276

[crays]

A newer draft got leaked on the RMGO page: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=545890114244975&set=pcb.545890437578276

Can you provide just the document itself, for those without fb?

[.455_Hunter]

Can you provide just the document itself, for those without fb?


Anybody can look at it.

From what I can tell, it looks like the proof of possession and transportation/usage restrictions were removed. Essentially no sales or transfers.

Still a shit show.

[FoxtArt]

Strongly recommend a gun trust for essentially, everything.

My cliff notes, updates, and thoughts:

Make it irrevocable for a liability shield. Consider venue (South Dakota might be my strongest recommendation - they removed the law of perpetuities and protect against the release of beneficiaries). That doesn't mean you move to South Dakota, it's a formality mostly.

Then you name your initial beneficiaries and generically include all of their descendants, with a provision that they are not a recognized beneficiary until they have reached the legal age of possession of any and all trust assets then existing in their respective state of residence. Specify a C/O to maintain necessary documentation. Specify co-trustees to automatically be all effective beneficiaries with a threshold requirement to first pass a background check or complete any necessary background screening / licensing / application then existing at the time they reach the legal age of possession of any and all trust assets. Specify any trust assets that are outright illegal to possess in a given state of residence shall not be made accessible to a trustee then in-residence.

And then you have a son-of-a-bitch, that in theory, never dies, lasts forever, and never technically transfers firearms, so your great-great-great-great-great-great grand-daughter can stroll around with scary, antique weaponry that nobody else can legally possess.

Tons of errors and presumptions in this short description, tons of other things to consider including dissolution and things like Crummy and other provisions, but true trust/estate discussions would exhaust me and anyone reading my posts as well, I am interested in other high-level takes or known high-level defects if other people have done a lot of homework.

[bellavite1]

What trust?
Screw my democrat relatives. [teabag]
When I die I will have truck, motorcycles and guns burn on my funeral pyre, like a fucking Viking! [Viking]

[electronman1729]

What trust?
Screw my democrat relatives. [teabag]
When I die I will have truck, motorcycles and guns burn on my funeral pyre, like a fucking Viking! [Viking]

Sounds like you need a new family

[eddiememphis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV_r4ZjDAnU&ab_channel=IITV

Sherrie Peif of Complete Colorado discussing the proposed ban with Jon Caldara.