AR pistol Lowers and the ATF trap

[Eric P]

I have read too much and want to verify if I am correct.

An AR pistol lower can be assembled into a rifle. But an AR rifle can not be converted to a pistol. Correct?

I don't want to SBR a lower that was sold with a pistol brace attached. I have configured as a 10 inch pistol but I would rather not fall for the ATF trap and just put a 16 inch barrel on it with a proper stock.

I already have 3 SBRs and don't really want another. The 10" barrel would be orphaned, unattached with no spare uppers. I should be able to justify it as a spare for the SBRs.

[Clint45]

You can put a pistol brace on a rifle lower, but the length of the barrel plus any permanently attached muzzle device is supposed to be at least 16" overall.

Also, you should probably edit or delete this post.

[Eric P]

Also, you should probably edit or delete this post.

Why? I have not admitted to a crime nor planning a crime. I want to make sure I don't commit a crime by turning a braced lower into a non short barreled rifle.

[kidicarus13]

The 10" barrel would be orphaned, unattached with no spare uppers. I should be able to justify it as a spare for the SBRs.

Or the ATF could see this a constructive intent. Or no one would be the wiser if you did not post that particular bit of info.

[eddiememphis]

Why? I have not admitted to a crime nor planning a crime. I want to make sure I don't commit a crime by turning a braced lower into a non short barreled rifle.

I agree, nothing to hide.

If you remove and destroy or surrender the brace, the lower is still a pistol.

The new rule is not about the gun. It is about the accessory bolted to it.

And a 10" barrel laying in a drawer is not illegal either.

Yet...

[ray1970]

I agree, nothing to hide.

If you remove and destroy or surrender the brace, the lower is still a pistol.

The new rule is not about the gun. It is about the accessory bolted to it.

And a 10" barrel laying in a drawer is not illegal either.

Yet...

Yep. No need for the 16? barrel and a stock unless that?s just what you want to do.

They haven?t banned pistols yet.

Just discard the brace and the pistol should be good to go.

I would love to see someone who is legitimately disabled sue the ATF for some sort of Americans with disabilities act violation.

[HBARleatherneck]

are we going to have to have 2A Doctors who write us prescription for ADA approved Braces?

Marijuana people did it. why not us?

[eddiememphis]

are we going to have to have 2A Doctors who write us prescription for ADA approved Braces?

Marijuana people did it. why not us?

Good point but it will be difficult to find a physician that will prescribe a pistol brace for anxiety.

[HBARleatherneck]

Anxiety? No, you have a bad shoulder, a tender pectoral muscle, whatever. You have pain in your humoral head. Shouldering a rifle hurts me Doc. I need a brace to practice my 2a CIVIL RIGHTS.

[eddiememphis]

Anxiety? No, you have a bad shoulder, a tender pectoral muscle, whatever. You have pain in your humoral head. Shouldering a rifle hurts me Doc. I need a brace to practice my 2a CIVIL RIGHTS.

Anxiety is what many medical marijuana applicants stated on the application to buy pot before it was "legal".

[O2HeN2]

Strictly speaking, the number of 16-inch-and-over uppers you have should always be greater than or equal to the number of non-SBRed lowers (ignoring for now the "new" entrapment process proposed by the ATF) you own.

In other words let's say you have one SBR lower and four short uppers for it.

And you have three "normal" rifle [note: rifle] lowers but only two long barreled uppers for them. That could spell trouble when the ATF makes functional firearms out of all your assemblies and can't make a legal one out of the third "normal" lower.

Just pointing out something to avoid if you wish to.

O2

[hollohas]

They haven?t banned pistols yet.

Just discard the brace and the pistol should be good to go.



This may be a moot point because the proposed Colorado bill would ban AR pistols based on weight alone, regardless of brace or not.

It's going to be a whirlwind to figure out what's legal or not if both the fed and CO rules pass.

[Skully]

Wait 30 - 60 days when the new rule is registered, then decide. There is already some intense fillings (GOA, SAF & FPC) for ATF overstepping their boundaries in "rule" making.

I give it good odds that the rule will at least be put on hold while the court cases play out. [Pop]

One filing for an injunction is based off of the ADA BTW [Coffee]

[WETWRKS]

Keep in mind...there is almost zero chance of 4m braces making it thru the approval process in the 88 days before the system automatically denies them.

[Joe_K]

Wrote Ken $1 today to see if he?s supporting the Abolish The ATF Bill put forward by Matt Gaytzzz.

[Rucker61]

Keep in mind...there is almost zero chance of 4m braces making it thru the approval process in the 88 days before the system automatically denies them.

I have a friend that's considering the conversion. He has a suppressor so he's already on the ATF's list. I have four SBRs and no AR pistols. Unless I hear otherwise that the is a bad idea, our plan is that post application he removes the braces, gives me the uppers for storage and just waits for approval for the tax stamp.

[SideShow Bob]

Anybody in for a large group boating accident so we don’t clog & crash the Coast Guard computers with millions of individual reports ?

[lurchnp81]

So does a pistol buffer tube that will not accept a brace or stock still keep an ar pistol a pistol?

[Joe_K]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnaFyIDOljM/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

[Little Dutch]

So does a pistol buffer tube that will not accept a brace or stock still keep an ar pistol a pistol?

I appears so.

I'm trying to determine if a pistol buffer tube with the thin foam wrap is fine.

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/faqfinalrule2021r-08f-correctedpdf/download
https://www.atf.gov/file/154866/download

[Skully]

I appears so.

I'm trying to determine if a pistol buffer tube with the thin foam wrap is fine.

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/faqfinalrule2021r-08f-correctedpdf/download
https://www.atf.gov/file/154866/download


The proposed FORM4999 is no longer valid and will no longer be used by ATF. It was in the body of the new updated proposed ruling.


https://youtu.be/NytEvoyTzi4

1:25 seconds in he talks about it.

[Skully]

This is a good video he did and shows the "trap" ATF is setting up.


https://youtu.be/ocVVgRFw1oQ

[kidicarus13]

This is a good video he did and shows the "trap" ATF is setting up.


https://youtu.be/ocVVgRFw1oQWashington Gun Law produces a lot of quality videos.

[Joe_K]

https://youtu.be/iGdjQ4Iylzo

[Skully]

https://youtu.be/iGdjQ4Iylzo

I have heard a lot of people talk about the 922r which does not make any sense to begin with?

Washington gun law has a lot of cool videos and breakdowns about the full 292 page rule change. He is pretty detailed about laws specifically around gun law changes and puts them in layman terms.

I do agree the amnesty is suspect, I do not trust the gov. Takes pictures of your AR pistol braced firearm to get the free $200 tax stamp but you are providing the ATF with evidence that you have an AR that meets their SBR classification?

I still say dont over react / "wait" until it is actually submitted to Federal registry, then takes effect in 120 days. During all that time we can think positive this shit will go through courts and frozen.

[Wulf202]

I'd rather donate a stamps worth to the first challengers with merit.

[KevDen2005]

Really like Washington Gun Law. I have actually spoken in depth with Bill and he is an upstanding guy.

[Bailey Guns]

Nearly all sheriff's in OK are issuing statements in reference to the OK 2A Sanctuary Act that they won't take enforcement action on this ATF rule unless the person is committing a crime with the gun.

I think this might wind up being similar to the CO 15 round magazine ban...that really didn't ban anything because few people follow the law.

[Joe_K]

Of the estimated 520,000 Bump stocks in circulation back in 2018, Guess how many got turned in to the Dog Killing Agency?

https://youtu.be/DPCkHpWu3Yo

[Joe_K]

Nearly all sheriff's in OK are issuing statements in reference to the OK 2A Sanctuary Act that they won't take enforcement action on this ATF rule unless the person is committing a crime with the gun.

I think this might wind up being similar to the CO 15 round magazine ban...that really didn't ban anything because few people follow the law.

Had an encouraging phone call with the Douglas County UnderSheriff David Walcher yesterday.

He said this will get handled the same way as the Mag ban, and that DCSO does not work with the ATF aside from stolen firearms and Homicides and any overlap or information they might need from the ATF and their databases. I gave him some pushback on him claiming DCSO only enforces State Law as SBR?s are, last I checked, still listed as Dangerous Weapons under CRS, therefore after whatever date the rule goes into effect, and the minority of AR owners chose to comply with the ATFs request, the rest of us will be potentially in violation of State Law and not just an ATF enforced Rule. Walcher assured me his Deputies have much better things to do than go looking for those type of things. I am still hopeful the whole thing gets murdered in Court and the ATF gets shredded into a million pieces.