California Mass Shooting- Biased Editing?

[eddiememphis]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-01-22/la-me-monterey-park-mass-shooting

10 killed, 10 injured.

When I first read the story this morning about 6:00, it said, "They said there was a man with a machine gun in the area. The shooter, they said, had multiple rounds of ammunition, so that once his ammunition ran out he reloaded, Choi said."

I looked at it again about 7:30 and it had changed to, "They said there was a man with a semiautomatic gun in the area..."

I send an email to one of the writers asking why the change, since they were quoting witnesses and the police have not identified what weapon was used.

I am pretty sure why it was changed- politics. Machine guns are illegal. Semi automatics are a current hot button issue for leftists. Claiming a semi auto was used is likely to stir up more emotional support for the banning of the guns.

I could be wrong and there was new information presented between the times I read the article.

But I doubt it.

[Great-Kazoo]

From Sun, January 22, 2023 at 2:54 AM MST

Naturally the story changes as those who deem it , want it to read.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-respond-reported-shooting-los-095431260.html

The friend then fled to Wei's home at around 11 p.m., he said, adding that his friends told him that the shooter appeared to fire indiscriminately with a long gun.

[kidicarus13]

This story mentions machinegun...

https://l.smartnews.com/LBGfc/lMXNRK

"The people also told Choi that there was a shooter with a machine gun who had multiple rounds of ammunition on him so he could reload. Choi said he believes the shooting took place at a dance club."

It's common for people unfamiliar with guns to use the term for a gun that fires quickly.

[eddiememphis]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-mass-shooting-leaves-10-dead-others-injured-lunar-new-year-festival

Sources told Fox News that police believe the two incidents are connected and that they know the suspected gunman's identity. The sources said a "high-powered assault rifle" was used.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/multiple-dead-shooting-monterey-park-california/story?id=96592246

The gunman opened fire shortly after entering a dance hall, where people had been celebrating the holiday, police said. It was unclear what type of weapon he used, police said.

[theGinsue]

The sources said a "high-powered assault rifle" was used.

I'm wanting to get others honest perspective on this.

In so much of the reporting of these incidents we see the term "high-powered assault rifle" used.

If the bad guys in these incidents used a .22LR AR-based platform (like a S&W M&P 15-22) or a 9mm AR, or any other caliber not generally specific to a rifle round, would they still be referred to as "high-powered"? I get that any time the aesthetics of the firearm are of an AR-type they will always demonize it as an evil "assault rifle" so I want to focus on the "high-powered" aspect of the reporting.

I suspect combining "high-powered" and "assault rifle" will always be used, regardless of the caliber of the firearm - just to create more sensationalism.

Just curious what you all think about this.

[eddiememphis]

This subject drives me nuts.

Any black rifle is "high powered" to the uninformed.

A .223 is not a high power rifle. It is a high velocity rifle, for sure. But 1300 ft-lbs of energy is not what I would consider powerful.

More than a 9mm? Sure. But not too high when it comes to rifle calibers.

On an AR-15 platform, a .50 Beowolf runs 2300-2600 ft-lbs. A .450 Bushmaster around 2400.

An AR-10, which looks the same to most, can be calibered for the .338 Lapua, chucking a Hornady 270gr ELD-X at 2800 fps for 4700 ft-lbs of energy. Now THAT's a "high power" rifle.

[buffalobo]

I'm wanting to get others honest perspective on this.

In so much of the reporting of these incidents we see the term "high-powered assault rifle" used.

If the bad guys in these incidents used a .22LR AR-based platform (like a S&W M&P 15-22) or a 9mm AR, or any other caliber not generally specific to a rifle round, would they still be referred to as "high-powered"? I get that any time the aesthetics of the firearm are of an AR-type they will always demonize it as an evil "assault rifle" so I want to focus on the "high-powered" aspect of the reporting.

I suspect combining "high-powered" and "assault rifle" will always be used, regardless of the caliber of the firearm - just to create more sensationalism.

Just curious what you all think about this.Anything, accurate or not, to create fear of firearms, especially EBR's and sensationalize the reporting is fair game to biased media. If they can demonize those of us who own, collect and shoot these platforms, so much the better.

As has been noted the stories change regularly and quickly because the reporters DGARA about accuracy, only clicks and satisfying their bias.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[Doc45]

In addition to the above I just hope the shitbag gets his ticket punched real soon. Save everyone involved from a trial and all that brings for the families of the victims.

[.455_Hunter]

Much disappointment in the media and political circles as the perp is an asian male age 30-50, and not an age 18-25 incel white male or just an old racist boomer white male.

[BPTactical]

Unpossible.
(In anguished wailing)
An incident like this could never happen in California.
Giffords Law Center gives CA a #1 rating for its firearm laws along with numerous other organizations.
California is the example of gun control in the nation.
They have laws that prevent something like this from happening in California.
Right?



Right?



[fail]

[funkymonkey1111]

Unpossible.
(In anguished wailing)
An incident like this could never happen in California.
Giffords Law Center gives CA a #1 rating for its firearm laws along with numerous other organizations.
California is the example of gun control in the nation.
They have laws that prevent something like this from happening in California.
Right?



Right?



[fail]

it's got to be a ghost gun--that's the way around our laws!

[TEAMRICO]

Right now they are at a standstill for the narrative. If the shooter is white then we know how it plays out. If he is black then the story gets squashed. If the shooter is Asian their heads will explode in the media.
Until they can ID the shooter this story will go in circles.
Maybe they already know the race of the shooter and they are formulating the next step.

[.455_Hunter]

Right now they are at a standstill for the narrative. If the shooter is white then we know how it plays out. If he is black then the story gets squashed. If the shooter is Asian their heads will explode in the media.
Until they can ID the shooter this story will go in circles.
Maybe they already know the race of the shooter and they are formulating the next step.


Monterey Park PD said shooter is Asian male 30-50 years old.

[BushMasterBoy]

Just glancing at Twitter, someone stated that this was a domestic violence incident. I'll trust a Twitter member over an official press statement. Press editorials never say we need more armed security. I'll wager it was an Asian guy that got angry at his significant other and went beserk.

[eddiememphis]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/monterey-park-mass-shooting-suspect-loose-10-killed-lunar-new-year-celebration

"While Luna said authorities didn’t have definitive information about the firearm used because witnesses have given different descriptions, he told reporters that investigators at this time don’t believe it was an assault rifle."

Well that throws a monkey in the wrenches.

[eddiememphis]

Another point regarding the "high powered" designation.

President Biden said that a 9mm will blow a lung clean out of a body. I'm sure some that are ignorant about firearms took that as a fact.

I think we can agree a 9mm is not a "high powered" handgun round. Unless it is fired from a Browning, but that is a "Hi-Power".

[rondog]

I wonder what the press would say if some nutcase did this with an old M1 carbine and several 30 rd mags.....

[eddiememphis]

I wonder what the press would say if some nutcase did this with an old M1 carbine and several 30 rd mags.....

Military grade weapon of war.

[BPTactical]

I will take Gang Related Violence for $100 Alex.

[crays]

I was hearing reports on this way before sunrise here in CO this morning. The folks over at nbc, I believe it was, were pushing a VERY heavy and irresponsible "hate crime against asians" even while openly stating that they had no real details or info on perp.

See willie geist reporting on it early this a.m. for affirmation of above. I don't remember who he was talking to from CA (presumably).

Push that preferred narrative at all costs....

Sent from somewhere

[crays]

I will take Gang Related Violence for $100 Alex.This was one of my first thoughts as well.

Sent from somewhere

[buffalobo]

https://youtu.be/nX165mJ1KAA

Link to live stream of standoff in Monterrey, CA, ABC claims suspect of mass shooting.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[wctriumph]

Well, I watched the recent presser and the police said it was not a assault rifle but would not state just what it was.
At the white van it looked like SWAT has gained access and the guy inside is dead.

[SideShow Bob]

Monterey Park PD said shooter is Asian male 30-50 years old.

The MSN will soon be calling him a ?White Asian? like Zimmerman became a ?White Hispanic????..

[eddiememphis]

92712

Doesn't look very ganglike to me.

[BushMasterBoy]

Body found dead in van by SWAT? Anybody want to make a bet?

[eddiememphis]

Community leader Chester Chong told ABC7 that the owner of the dance studio on West Garvey Avenue was holding an event there on Saturday. Through talking with friends that were in attendance and other local leaders, he said a woman was invited to the event but not her husband, which made him upset. Chong said he believes that woman's husband is the suspect in this case and jealousy may be a possible motive for the shooting.

[.455_Hunter]

Schumer and Schiff, of course, blew their loads on Twitter blaming anti-Asian hate and white supremacy.

[eddiememphis]

Maybe it would be better if he used a semi-auto rifle.

Now, the gun banners can point to this one and say, "See! All guns are weapons of mass destruction! Ban them all!"

It will be interesting to see what he used, how many times he reloaded and how many total shots were fired.

[DDT951]

President Biden said that a 9mm will blow a lung clean out of a body.

Shoot a prairie dog with a 9mm. [ROFL3]

[Ah Pook]

Schumer and Schiff, of course, blew their loads on Twitter blaming anti-Asian hate and white supremacy.
Hasn't the "science" proven the most all Asian hate comes from the African/American community? [Wink]

[.455_Hunter]

Hasn't the "science" proven the most all Asian hate comes from the African/American community? [Wink]


Remember- According to our intellectual betters, hate has only one source and one direction.

In this case, it seems to be more of a cultural snub based on a non-invite to the party and attempt to save face by killing the participants. My thoughts about it being gang based violence may be fanciful.

[flogger]

31 postings and maybe ONE showed compassion for the loss of life, those injured, and the families that will be impacted forever.

I am 100% for gun rights but I this shows how 'common place' this crap has become. We jump to the defend gun ownership, find blame for the perp (as we should), but ignore the victims.

I think that sucks. Just my 2 cents worth.

[.455_Hunter]

31 postings and maybe ONE showed compassion for the loss of life, those injured, and the families that will be impacted forever.

I am 100% for gun rights but I this shows how 'common place' this crap has become. We jump to the defend gun ownership, find blame for the perp (as we should), but ignore the victims.

I think that sucks. Just my 2 cents worth.


Yes, it does suck, but our hearts have become numb and hardened thanks to the actions of these demented losers. Subsequently, I am tired of being blamed as "part of the problem" in the country and mocked if we do offer sympathies to the victims. Only gun control zealots are allowed to express "true" sympathies.

[BushMasterBoy]

We can't pass judgement yet, because the whole story isn't out in the open. My understanding is there was a domestic violence incident that occurred before the shooting. Usually, the initial reports are correct. Then come the speculations and opinions, which will distort our view of what really happened. Remember the average American reads at the 7th grade level.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.


Additional news link below:


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-police-identify-gunman-in-monterey-attack-that-killed-10-people-injured-10-others-in-mass-shooting/ar-AA16CPIR?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=aa8701bf4f1e494a9258fbb26405db53

[eddiememphis]

I started this thread to point out the biased press coverage of the event.

I agree that we have become inured to the atrociousness of these occurrences.

Publicly declaring one's compassion for the bereaved after an event like this can often seem insincere, regardless of one's political leanings.

I think it's a given that almost everyone feels some sympathy for the grieving families.

As .455 says, it does feel that we, legal gun owners and shooting enthusiasts, bear the brunt of the blame for these incidents, and the left desperately wants to appear more compassionate than everyone else, and are willing to shed crocodile tears to achieve their goals.


There is definitely another future thread here worth exploring. Compassion, grief and false sympathies.

[funkymonkey1111]

31 postings and maybe ONE showed compassion for the loss of life, those injured, and the families that will be impacted forever.

I am 100% for gun rights but I this shows how 'common place' this crap has become. We jump to the defend gun ownership, find blame for the perp (as we should), but ignore the victims.

I think that sucks. Just my 2 cents worth.

By noon the event wasn't even the to0 story online

[lurchnp81]

By noon the event wasn't even the to0 story online

That’s because once the event didn’t fit the media and gun grabbers narrative, it is relegated to the back pages.

[eddiememphis]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/22/us/monterey-park-california-shooting/index.html

"The gun wrestled away from the man in Alhambra was a Cobray M11 9mm semi-automatic weapon according to a law enforcement official. This firearm is designed to take 30-round magazines that allow for rapid fire without having to frequently change magazines."

Who guessed that was going to be the weapon? What was his other gun, a Bryco?

[Baetis]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/22/us/monterey-park-california-shooting/index.html

"The gun wrestled away from the man in Alhambra was a Cobray M11 9mm semi-automatic weapon according to a law enforcement official. This firearm is designed to take 30-round magazines that allow for rapid fire without having to frequently change magazines."

Who guessed that was going to be the weapon? What was his other gun, a Bryco?

Of course. The Yahoo story I saw this morning called it an ?assault pistol? with and extended magazine.


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[TEAMRICO]

Yup, just saw this.

A law enforcement source told CNN the weapon was ?a Cobray M11 9mm semi-automatic.? CNN reported through a source that authorities were able to trace the gun, giving them Tran?s name.

Geezuz, here it comes.

[Joe_K]

92729

[Great-Kazoo]

92729

Umm the semi is not as popular, IN EVERY COUNTRY as the select fire one is. Then again. This particular "pistol" has been on the cadoj ban list since 2000.

[BushMasterBoy]

Another shooter in Half Moon Bay killed 7 today...

"Debbie Ruddock, a city councilwoman representing Half Moon Bays population of roughly 12,000 people, said the victims were all Chinese farmworkers though a motive for the shooting remains unknown."


https://news.yahoo.com/7-people-dead-another-mass-014749830.html

[eddiememphis]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/22/us/monterey-park-california-shooting/index.html

"The gun wrestled away from the man in Alhambra was a Cobray M11 9mm semi-automatic weapon according to a law enforcement official. This firearm is designed to take 30-round magazines that allow for rapid fire without having to frequently change magazines."

Who guessed that was going to be the weapon? What was his other gun, a Bryco?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-guns-were-used-attack-lunar-new-year-party-california-2023-01-24/

Not a Bryco. A Norinco.

Dude had interesting taste in guns.