The stupid, it hurts...

[.455_Hunter]

"Even though they were joy riding, it was never that serious for somebody to have to lose their life or for [the car owner] to track down the car the way he did,"


https://www.denver7.com/news/front-range/denver/family-of-12-year-old-auto-theft-suspect-call-for-charges-against-vehicle-owner-who-killed-him

Why was your precious family member riding around with other armed hood rats in a stolen car? [facepalm]

The dindoo nuffins strike again. [Mad]

[buffalobo]

Don't shoot at people and they won't shoot back.

Did mom know the kids her kid was with and did she turn them in or call for their prosecution?

I really like it when Darwin wins.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[flogger]

Weren't there reports of several people bailing out of the vehicle at some point?

[eddiememphis]

I will wait to see if the full story ever comes out before deciding on this one.

Clearly, a 12 year old kid should not be present during the commission of a crime.

I have problems with the character that chased down the car after calling the police. He followed the criminals miles from where the theft took place and then "exchanged gunfire" with them.

Is a car more valuable than the life of a 12 year old boy?

I know it sounds very squishy and lefty to say that.

We are trying to live in a civilized society. Vigilantism does nothing to promote that.

[.455_Hunter]

I will wait to see if the full story ever comes out before deciding on this one.

Clearly, a 12 year old kid should not be present during the commission of a crime.

I have problems with the character that chased down the car after calling the police. He followed the criminals miles from where the theft took place and then "exchanged gunfire" with them.

Is a car more valuable than the life of a 12 year old boy?

I know it sounds very squishy and lefty to say that.

We are trying to live in a civilized society. Vigilantism does nothing to promote that.


In today's level of lawlessness, I guess I have no personal problem with the owner tracking down his own car, even if I wouldn't personally advise it. In most urban areas, recovery of these vehicles, even with the owner calling in the location play-by-play, is about the lowest of LE priorities. I suspect he only fired his weapon after being fired upon first by the car occupants, perhaps after engaging them in a verbal confrontation, which is probably why the DA said they had no winnable case. It would be different if he found the car and just opened-up on it for revenge purposes. Anyway, my sympathy factor is pretty low, which is a sad commentary on modern society. I guess it's kinda like the sob story told about the 14 year old found dead near a rec center in the same area a couple months ago. The family and media spined a yarn about why they had no clue about why he was there and how he was such a "good boy". Turns out he was trying to sell a stolen handgun to another perp when the deal went sour. [Dunno]

[Scanker19]

Maybe the thieves should ask themselves if a life is worth the car. They obviously don’t care and seem to think it is. So why isn’t the owner given that sane regard. Property is someone lives, someone worked to earn that car or computer or whatever. And someone can just take that risk free?
Actions have consequences. .

[.455_Hunter]

I just saw video of the incident here...

https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/stolen-car-12-year-old-boy-dead/73-e8247f3e-1898-4e38-b1ee-dd6c406f423e

Thoughts?

[buffalobo]

Thoughts?

Don't steal and the kids parents should blame themselves.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[Bailey Guns]

I may not have reacted the same way as the car owner. But the car is his property, he worked for it, he owned it. The little punks who stole the car didn't give a rat's ass about how their actions might affect the owner. Too f'n bad. And...my property isn't worth dying over. But I guarantee you it's worth killing over if it ever comes to that. Maybe if more car thieves were shot we'd stop having so many car thieves.

I have no sympathy for these little thugs...the dead one or the others. If the family cared for the dead thug while he was alive as much as they seem to care for him now that he's dead, maybe he wouldn't have been in that position.

[XJ]

Carnac, then Clarkson

[hollohas]

I will wait to see if the full story ever comes out before deciding on this one.

Clearly, a 12 year old kid should not be present during the commission of a crime.

I have problems with the character that chased down the car after calling the police. He followed the criminals miles from where the theft took place and then "exchanged gunfire" with them.

Is a car more valuable than the life of a 12 year old boy?

I know it sounds very squishy and lefty to say that.

We are trying to live in a civilized society. Vigilantism does nothing to promote that.

Did he know there was a 12 year old was in the car?

We don't live in a civilized society. As evidenced by the fact a 12 year old was participating in a car theft.

Denver has one of the highest stolen car rates in the country and the law does very little to reduce it, even when you tell them exactly where your stolen car is. People's vehicles are very often directly tied to their livelihoods. Either directly or because that's how they get to their jobs that allow them to feed and house their families. Yeah, people's cars are extremely important.

If the law won't reduce this type of crime, maybe vigilantism will.

As the risk of getting killed while stealing a car increases, the rate of attempted car theft decreases.

[theGinsue]

I agree with everyone's comments except eddiememphis.

And, I think charges should be filed, against the parents of the 12yo. The parents should receive the charges the 12yo should have received had he survived his stupid antics.

For starters, I think these charges should be levied:
Felony motor vehicle theft
Underage driving
Driving without a license
Minor in possession of a firearm
Attempted murder
Assault with a deadly weapon

Dear old step-mom seems to have no issue with her kid stealing a car, having a gun and trying to take the life of the person trying to retrieve their own property. Aren't parents held accountable for some cases where their child broke the law? If the parents don't want to responsibly parent their child while the kid is alive then they really have no say in the matter after the child gets themselves into a situation that results in their death, injury or incarceration. Maybe if the parents of these thugs were held accountable for the illegal activities of their child they'd work harder to keep their kids from doing stupid shit in the first place and our society would be better off for it.


ETA: My point of holding the parents accountable for the actions of their children goes to the idea in one of the CO Assemblies current bills of holding firearms manufacturers and sellers responsible for the actions of someone who illegally used one of their products. The concept is essentially the same is it not? They made something that did illegal things and someone died for it.

[Bailey Guns]

Dont forget to tack on Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor...

[Great-Kazoo]

I will wait to see if the full story ever comes out before deciding on this one.

Clearly, a 12 year old kid should not be present during the commission of a crime.

I have problems with the character that chased down the car after calling the police. He followed the criminals miles from where the theft took place and then "exchanged gunfire" with them.

Is a car more valuable than the life of a 12 year old boy?

I know it sounds very squishy and lefty to say that.

We are trying to live in a civilized society. Vigilantism does nothing to promote that.

8 & 10 yr olds are raping fellow classmates, attaching teachers with weapons, as well as running rampant among their peers. My 12 yr old niece was attacked by another 12 yr old. Who was using a tray from the lunchroom, to beat her with. While she was minding her business, having lunch. The reason she was attacked? Kid said she didn't like white kids. No hate crime charges, nothing, other than a slap on the wrist for the assault.

From cradle to grave, violent people are handed a get out of jail card, on a daily basis. The justice system would rather let them go, than have "numbers of other than white" imprisoned. Cause, the optics isn't good for democrat ran places to do so.

So my answer would be, yes.

[hollohas]

8 & 10 yr olds are raping fellow classmates, attaching teachers with weapons, as well as running rampant among their peers. My 12 yr old niece was attacked by another 12 yr old. Who was using a tray from the lunchroom, to beat her with. While she was minding her business, having lunch. The reason she was attacked? Kid said she didn't like white kids. No hate crime charges, nothing, other than a slap on the wrist for the assault.

From cradle to grave, violent people are handed a get out of jail card, on a daily basis. The justice system would rather let them go, than have "numbers of other than white" imprisoned. Cause, the optics isn't good for democrat ran places to do so.

So my answer would be, yes.If your niece fought back she would have been labeled a racist, expelled and destroyed publicly.

Our culture is jacked. Right is wrong. Wrong is right. And it's destroying us.

[BPTactical]

Well with folks like this to look up to….

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/news/local/florida-student-arrested-after-violently-attacking-school-employee/77-fa33dc4e-affd-47ab-993d-489a3efdc5a7

[eddiememphis]

I am taking a beating here and that's fine- I expected it.

I don't think a car is worth killing over.

Allow me qualify that by saying I don't think my cars are worth me killing someone over, had I found myself in this specific incident.

It would be different if it was a carjack and pistol whip like the girls at the Cherry Creek Mall. Or if someone comes into my home to steal my junk and poses a threat to me.

The video of the incident stinks but it looks like the guy that was following the thieves ran up and started blasting, after he tracked them five miles from where the theft occurred.

Justifiable use of lethal force? According to the Denver DA, it is.

According to the members of this forum? Fuck yeah! Let that be a lesson to car thieves.

I disagree about this incident being a deterrent. This is a lesson to car thieves to make sure you have a gun and anytime there is even a hint of resistance, start shooting. Because these days, you never know who has a gun.

[.455_Hunter]

It would be interesting to know the detailed sequence of events beyond the low-res silent video. Obviously, the owner was in a ready state with his weapon. Did he verbally engage the perps first? Did they immediately respond with gunfire? I strongly suspect that if he just started shooting into the car without active provocation, his murder charges already would be working their way through the system.

I am not saying that I would take the same action of confronting the perps, but I definitely understand why he did- for a full spectrum of reasons.

[def90]

Fuck around and find out...

I try to practice empathy when I can but I just can't be empathetic to someone that gets killed will comitting a crime. I'm not going to play the game of whether or not an inanimate object is worth a life. The perpetrator made a decision when he took that object knowing it was not his to take. I've managed to live 52 years on this planet without being shot or having a cop put his knee on my neck.

[BPTactical]

Fuck around and find out...

I've managed to live 52 years on this planet without being shot or having a cop put his knee on my neck.

Funny how that works huh?
Respect people, work hard, don’t play stupid games and you won’t win stupid prizes.

Go figure.

Since this story broke I have been trying to get the Giveafuckometer to register. I thought it was broken but then my granddaughter bumped her head on the cabinet and it pegged at max.
Hmmmm

[ray1970]

And, I think charges should be filed, against the parents of the 12yo. The parents should receive the charges the 12yo should have received had he survived his stupid antics.



In principle I agree that parents should be responsible for their kids and their actions.

But, holding someone accountable for someone else?s actions probably isn?t the greatest idea. I mean if your son or daughter murdered their spouse and then killed themselves should you be charged with murder?

I get that it?s a little different with minors. I mean if little Johnny vandalized my house I?d expect his parents to pony up for the damages.

[battlemidget]

12 years old...I was still reading comic books.

[Clint45]

Apparently, this is the SECOND son of theirs shot while stealing cars... and they seem to see no problem letting their children run wild all night committing felonies while popping their Glocks.

That seems to constitute "contributing to the delinquency of a minor" as well as felony child neglect, and they should be charged accordingly.

[BushMasterBoy]

https://kdvr.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2023/02/9ACE3DB2-AAFF-418C-9ABE-8057B76FFD40.jpg

[BPTactical]

https://kdvr.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2023/02/9ACE3DB2-AAFF-418C-9ABE-8057B76FFD40.jpg

Well, I guess he will never be Press Secretary

[funkymonkey1111]

We are trying to live in a civilized society. Vigilantism does nothing to promote that.

Yes, it does. It promotes the very clear inhibition of criminal acts for fear the same will be done to you as a potential criminal. Just like jail, capital punishment, corporal punishment, etc. are all deterrents to bad behavior, thus resulting in us living in a civilized society.