Two faculty shot at East High in Denver [Archive] - Colorado AR-15 Shooters Club Discussion Forums

.455_Hunter

03-22-2023, 11:50

Additional clarity in this article...

https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/developing-denver-police-responding-to-shooting-at-east-high-school

Chief Thomas said the suspect, a male student at East High School, was under a safety plan where he had to be patted down and searched in a front office before school each day. He said this had happened every day for a while without a problem, but on Wednesday, this student pulled a firearm and shot and injured the two deans.

Tay is going to be upset...

"In terms of what we can expect at East from here until the end of the school year, in collaboration with Chief Thomas and with support from our mayor and also communicated this to the Board of Education that we will have two armed officers here at East until the end of the school year," he said.

TRnCO

03-22-2023, 12:53

dang it, didn't get that law passed preventing anyone under 21 from purchasing a weapon passed quite quick enough. I'm sure that would've prevented this tragedy[facepalm]

ray1970

03-22-2023, 12:57

Wait a minute. So the solution to your gun problem is to bring in people with guns? How can any anti-gun person rationalize this?

.455_Hunter

03-22-2023, 14:02

Standard intellectually lacking comments from the usual suspects...

https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/colorado-denver-leaders-react-to-east-high-school-shooting

In their eyes, the sane, moral and responsible teens who have access to weapons everyday are no different, and probably worse, the hood rat who committed the crime today.

It's as if the gun in question kidnapped the perp and forced him to fire at the faculty members.

I guess the hood rat was a recent transfer from Commerce City looking to get a "fresh start". Instead of getting moved to a new school, he should been worried about being "fresh" for Bubba and his friends in the local lock-up.

3beansalad

03-22-2023, 14:04

Looked online and didn't see the Denver "news" stations live streaming from the school. Wonder why that is. (I could speculate, but we all know.)

eddiememphis

03-22-2023, 14:52

He was a dirtbag that had to be searched everyday because of previous "issues". Likely a last attempt to keep him out of jail.

They tried to search him today and he started blasting.

Channel 9 keeps interviewing the little shits that were walking out of class at the protests organized my Moms Demand Action. They all want "something" to be done but no one will come out and tell the truth that they want to end private ownership of firearms.

Yes, Tay will be under a tiny bit of scrutiny for removing SROs from schools but his constituency will continue to support him. He will likely call for more stringent "gun control laws".

From 9news-

Part of the argument to remove the SROs was that they unfairly target students of color, and make them wary of law enforcement early in their lives.

After the shooting Wednesday, Denver Mayor Michael Hancock released a statement that called the decision to remove SROs a "mistake" and said, "we must move swiftly to correct it."

eddiememphis

03-22-2023, 14:53

Today is a good day to ask the state legislators how this would have been prevented by all the currently proposed legislation.

Scanker19

03-22-2023, 15:49

Today is a good day to ask the state legislators how this would have been prevented by all the currently proposed legislation.

How exactly is a rainbow made? How exactly does a sun set? How exactly does a posi-trac rear-end on a Plymouth work? It just does.

eddiememphis

03-22-2023, 16:18

How exactly does a posi-trac rear-end on a Plymouth work? It just does.

That's GM term.

Mick-Boy

03-22-2023, 16:28

How exactly is a rainbow made? How exactly does a sun set? How exactly does a posi-trac rear-end on a Plymouth work? It just does.

93325

Scanker19

03-22-2023, 17:13

That's GM term.

I’m sorry, I’m just a shift supervisor, but I’m working my way up the ladder.

theGinsue

03-22-2023, 17:14

Wait a minute. So the solution to your gun problem is to bring in people with guns? How can any anti-gun person rationalize this?

"Oh, but you see, THESE guns will be in the hands of government representatives, not people". (I know; right?)

Just like every other case where a "disadvantaged youth" [translation: dirtbag criminal minor] perpetrated a crime, he'll eventually get caught and tried as an adult for at least 2 counts of attempted (currently, we'll see how the victims recover) murder. Momma, who's been absent in actual parenting this kids whole life will come on TV to tell us that her child is an alter boy who spends most of his free time divided between volunteering at the local homeless and animal shelters. She'll tell how (refuting video evidence otherwise) her son didn't do it - but even if he did, he was only protecting himself from the tyrannical administrators and security at the high school that he was attending to graduate then move on to college so he could eventually become a doctor at a children's hospital. She'll add that we need to quit spending so much time looking to hold her child accountable for this act and push harder to enact total gun elimination since guns are the real problem.

BPTactical

03-22-2023, 17:35

His dad is gonna be so mad….

BushMasterBoy

03-22-2023, 18:39

The red Volvo XC90 he was known to drive was found near County Road 68, near Bailey in Park County. That is 7600 feet in elevation. Gonna be cold out there tonight.

https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=39.4063&lon=-105.4778#.ZBufaXbMK5c

flogger

03-22-2023, 18:49

I'm guessing we will see at least one resignation from the DPS Board before the weekend. And thanks to Mayor Hancock for stating the obvious about SRO's. That pimp has nothing to lose now that his days are numbered. It's disgusting what that fool did to this town. He's a cheap Punk, good riddance.

.455_Hunter

03-22-2023, 19:02

Interesting that Tay is in the hospital since yesterday and I guess has been unable to pontificate.

BPTactical

03-22-2023, 19:09

He will be found under a tree with a cavitation of his skull after suck starting his pistol.
Good riddance to bad rubbish, will save the taxpayers money not having to keep him incarcerated.

DILLIGAF

Clint45

03-22-2023, 19:30

Interesting that Tay is in the hospital since yesterday and I guess has been unable to pontificate.

His Twitter account was suspended after several FTP rants.

Clint45

03-22-2023, 19:32

BPTactical

03-22-2023, 19:34

eddiememphis

03-22-2023, 20:40

If a student is deemed such a threat to the safety of others that he needs to be searched for weapons every morning (after voluntarily reporting to the school office), why not just expel him at that point?

He was expelled from Cherry Creek Schools- Overland. Denver took him in and gave him a last chance.

My brother in law has been in education as an administrator and board member for 30 years, after he got out of the Marines. He has a doctorate in education and is far from a liberal.

He says this happens when trying to keep a kid out of the criminal system. Many times it works, if the kid smart enough to realize it may be his last chance at a "normal" life.

Unfortunately, this idiot didn't take advantage of the opportunity to change his ways.

Many if not most educators believe in what they are doing- trying to help kids.

The rules are written to give the kids as many chances as they can, hoping it works. Often it does.

Sometimes it doesn't, as is proven with this fool.

funkymonkey1111

03-22-2023, 20:43

H

The rules are written to give the kids as many chances as they can, hoping it works. Often it does.

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Just like the parkland shooter had had 37 separate "contacts" with law enforcement before he went on his rampage, but nothing of substance was done, even when he said he wanted to be the next school shooter.

.455_Hunter

03-22-2023, 21:40

He will be found under a tree with a cavitation of his skull after suck starting his pistol.
Good riddance to bad rubbish, will save the taxpayers money not having to keep him incarcerated.

Prophetic...

UPDATE: A body was found during a search for the East High School shooting suspect, according to Park County Sheriff Tom McGraw.
Authorities discovered the suspect vehicle on County Road 68, and the body was found two-tenths of a mile away, McGraw said Wednesday night. The identity of the person has not been confirmed.

Park County Sheriff Tom McGraw said Wednesday night that around 8:15 p.m., a person's body was found in the woods about two-tenths of a mile from the car. McGraw said the person's body has not been identified.

A law enforcement source stated the body was that of Lyle, and that he died of an apparent suicide.

Park County had issued an emergency alert for the town of Bailey and the surrounding area due to the investigation. Residents were asked to shelter in place and call 911 if they see anything unusual.

McGraw said that shelter-in-place alert has been lifted.

CapLock

03-22-2023, 21:41

When I went to HS in California they had a special school for the fucked up kids to go to. Keep the fucked up kids away from the good kids that actually want an education.

eddiememphis

03-22-2023, 22:19

I'll bet he was on medication aimed at taming his "behavioral issues".

TRnCO

03-23-2023, 07:02

ended better than I expected. I was sure he would get shot by an officer and of course that would lead to everyone blaming the cops for something...

Funny how having SRO's back in the school seems to be what many are calling for after this incident. What's different about this time, compared to all the other school shootings? Other than no students were shot?

BPTactical

03-23-2023, 08:12

Watcha got to say Tay?

buffalobo

03-23-2023, 08:38

Watcha got to say Tay?He's kinda busy with his hemorrhoids at the moment.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

Hummer

03-23-2023, 09:19

You guys oughta team up and run for governor.

JohnnyDrama

03-23-2023, 10:53

His dad is gonna be so mad?.

That's funny. More likely his court appointed case manager.

Standard intellectually lacking comments from the usual suspects...

https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/colorado-denver-leaders-react-to-east-high-school-shooting

In their eyes, the sane, moral and responsible teens who have access to weapons everyday are no different, and probably worse, the hood rat who committed the crime today.

It's as if the gun in question kidnapped the perp and forced him to fire at the faculty members.

I guess the hood rat was a recent transfer from Commerce City looking to get a "fresh start". Instead of getting moved to a new school, he should been worried about being "fresh" for Bubba and his friends in the local lock-up.

You're correct. We're seeing the results of roughly 60 years, three generations of "The War on Poverty." The only thing the proponents know to do is double down. The moral, responsible teens don't need their services and skew the data.

BushMasterBoy

03-23-2023, 13:02

He was definitely a candidate for remote learning. I learn more on the internet, than I ever did in high school.

Doc45

03-23-2023, 13:50

I’d like to know what sentencing options the judge had in ‘21. Juvie court I assume so records probably not available. As pointed out previously I heartily agree he shouldn’t have been in a school at all.

eddiememphis

03-23-2023, 16:06

https://www.denverpost.com/2023/03/23/east-high-shooting-police-in-denver-schools/

DPS board votes unanimously to put armed police back in Denver high schools for rest of year

buffalobo

03-23-2023, 16:22

Imagine that...

Wonder how much the lawsuits will cost DPS?

I would be willing to bet the cost of full time SRO in each school is less.

Denver school board members put their own security(there is armed security in DPS building) and wages(most school boards are not paid, Denver is) above the safety and security of DPS students when they state there is not enough money in the budget for SRO's.

Budget is 1.28 billion for school year 22-23.

So Tay, why is your security more important than the students security?

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

BPTactical

03-23-2023, 17:12

And just like that- yet more firearm control legislation to be introduced next week.
Ghost gun ban- 30 days to “register”.
Per Ch7 news.

03-23-2023, 19:09

So, shitbird was searched every day before class, because libtards.

Does anyone remember that from high school?

eddiememphis

03-23-2023, 20:03

https://www.aol.com/news/denver-student-probation-shot-two-124516479.html

Law enforcement sources told CBS Colorado that the 17-year-old had been arrested back in 2021 for possession of a ghost gun and a high capacity magazine.

His arrest came when he was a student at Overland High School and some fellow students reported photos on social media showing Lyle with a gun, the sources said.

A search of the teenager’s home then uncovered the ghost gun and magazine. He was later expelled from the school and began attending East High School.

As part of a school safety plan based on his prior behaviour, Lyle was required to be patted down for weapons each day on arrival at East High, Denver Police Chief Thomas said on Wednesday.

eddiememphis

03-23-2023, 20:09

And just like that- yet more firearm control legislation to be introduced next week.
Ghost gun ban- 30 days to “register”.
Per Ch7 news.

https://www.denver7.com/news/politics/students-rally-at-state-capitol-for-gun-reform-after-another-school-shooting

Back inside the Capitol, Democratic lawmakers are preparing to introduce a bill next week that would ban ghost guns in the state.

“I think it has a direct relationship to what happened in East is that it's one of the ways that students are getting guns is these untraceable firearms. Many of them you can order through mail order kits,” said Sen. Chris Hansen, D-Denver.

Ghost guns do not have a serial number and can either be 3D printed or purchased in parts then assembled. They are virtually untraceable.

The bill will do three things: outlaw guns without serial numbers, ban the manufacturing of ghost guns and prohibit mail order of the firearm kits.

People with firearms that do not have a serial number would be given 30 days to register them with the state. For those who don’t and are caught with a ghost gun, Hansen says a first and second offense would result in a misdemeanor charge. A third offense would result in a class five felony under the current draft.

flogger

03-23-2023, 20:28

As expected, (and probably advised by some very busy and expensive lawyers) the DPS board pretty much ignored any responsibility. What a pitiful reply from the head Jokers.

Shameful leadership, the same crap for 8 years. Ignorant people who have no clue what they are doing, and NO ONE will call them out because of CRT?! Hell, we vote them in!!

CA-CA de Toro!

BPTactical

03-23-2023, 20:57

^^^
What is this “We” shit?

BPTactical

03-23-2023, 21:08

https://www.denver7.com/news/politics/students-rally-at-state-capitol-for-gun-reform-after-another-school-shooting

Back inside the Capitol, Democratic lawmakers are preparing to introduce a bill next week that would ban ghost guns in the state.

?I think it has a direct relationship to what happened in East is that it's one of the ways that students are getting guns is these untraceable firearms. Many of them you can order through mail order kits,? said Sen. Chris Hansen, D-Denver.

Ghost guns do not have a serial number and can either be 3D printed or purchased in parts then assembled. They are virtually untraceable.

The bill will do three things: outlaw guns without serial numbers, ban the manufacturing of ghost guns and prohibit mail order of the firearm kits.

People with firearms that do not have a serial number would be given 30 days to register them with the state. For those who don?t and are caught with a ghost gun, Hansen says a first and second offense would result in a misdemeanor charge. A third offense would result in a class five felony under the current draft.

Interestingly Hansen is also running for Mayor of Denver.

Go figure

.455_Hunter

03-23-2023, 22:09

A new one from the squealers today was rasing the age for firearms purchase (and possession?) to 25.

I was an Army O3 at age 25 with an extensive firearms collection.

What sort of "people" are these children exposed to on a daily basis? Wait, don't answer that one...

BushMasterBoy

03-23-2023, 22:22

I'll answer it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oponIfu5L3Y

BREATHER

03-24-2023, 04:06

The asswipes make people do background checks, they want to have registration, they keep pushing more and more "gun control". Why isn't there "Birth Control" why don't they make these mutts get a background check before they breed, why don't they give mental tests before impregnation?. You need a license to drive, fish, cut hair, maybe there needs to be a license to breed.

BPTactical

03-24-2023, 05:13

The children

https://youtu.be/dvA-mimf2yg

mb504

03-24-2023, 09:13

TheNash

03-24-2023, 09:38

If they are changing the age getting your civil rights, let's move the voting age to the same.

I agree if they are not mentally old enough to know what is wrong, (this is what is being purposed)how in the the hell are they going to be able to know what is the correct way to vote. F this picking and choosing to suit my agenda.

funkymonkey1111

03-24-2023, 09:49

If they are changing the age getting your civil rights, let's move the voting age to the same.

beat me to it. no drinking, no dope, no military, no voting, no testimony before the legislature, no nothing until you're 25. how about no driving? Frankly, it may even need to be higher as studies shown most brains aren't fully formed until 27 or 28.

BushMasterBoy

03-24-2023, 10:57

In the future your citizenship priveleges will be determined by AI interview. If the chatbot don't like you, you don't get in school! If you are not violent enough, you will be banned from the military. Restraining orders will be enforced by a shock collar. AI will eventually replace the government and the budget will be balanced.

I have been discussing this with my laptop. I am satisfied. Our future is bright!

It will be so much fun. 23 & Me is my ID.

TEAMRICO

03-24-2023, 17:23

Unplug all AI computers.

No power, no worries.

flogger

03-24-2023, 17:50

So I heard on the radio that Tay-Tay showed up at the closed doors School Board Meeting in a freaking wheelchair, not sure what emergency surgery he had but, what a great touch of drama.

Reporters' questions to Mr. Anderson after the meeting were fielded/intercepted by someone answering "...not today". I know a couple of lawyers who are glad it's the weekend! I think the members on this DPS board are in way over their heads and have been for years. Time to change the diapers.

Christ, I'm sounding like my Dad!

eddiememphis

03-24-2023, 18:05

Christ, I'm sounding like my Dad!

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JdU7e38RqzdlakU/giphy.gif

buffalobo

03-24-2023, 18:05

O2HeN2

03-24-2023, 20:23

Unplug all AI computers.

No power, no worries.
As you reach for the plug they launch.

Hundreds of 70s and 80s movies can't be wrong... :)

O2

Ps. One of my favorites: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177/

flogger

03-24-2023, 21:27

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JdU7e38RqzdlakU/giphy.gif
Get off of my grass stuff!!

TEAMRICO

03-24-2023, 22:47

Get off of my grass stuff!!
It?s almost lawn season! I can?t wait!!!

Aloha_Shooter

03-25-2023, 08:38

He was under a plan requiring a daily pat down but was still allowed entry? I'm confused. Why exactly is a miscreant with a troubled past so bad that he requires daily pat down not put on Zoom classes instead of exposing students and faculty to the danger of his physical presence? Family members of the victims ought to sue the idiots who made these decisions for endangerment, emotional trauma over the loss of their loved ones, etc.

Sure, blame the ghost guns instead of the the 17-year-old miscreant and the adult idiots who aided and abedded his actions.

theGinsue

03-25-2023, 10:31

Did the adults that were shot die? I thought they were still alive but "the extent of their injuries isn't known".

TFOGGER

03-25-2023, 10:48

Did the adults that were shot die? I thought they were still alive but "the extent of their injuries isn't known".

1 Treated and released the same day, 1 still in the hospital, but expected to recover.

buffalobo

03-25-2023, 12:43

Wonder how much the deans were a part of the "plan" to keep the thug in school and if they will be rethinking those plans in the future?

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

eddiememphis

03-25-2023, 14:13

Family members of the victims ought to sue the idiots who made these decisions for endangerment, emotional trauma over the loss of their loved ones, etc.

https://law.justia.com/codes/colorado/2016/title-24/administration/article-10/section-24-10-106.3
https://www.accidentdenver.com/colorado-governmental-immunity-act#:~:text=The%20Colorado%20Governmental%20Immuni ty%20Act,state%20agency%20or%20government%20worker .

Government at most levels has immunity protections from the laws they pass.

This may carry over to civil lawsuits as well.

JohnnyDrama

03-25-2023, 15:40

I?d like to know what sentencing options the judge had in ?21. Juvie court I assume so records probably not available. As pointed out previously I heartily agree he shouldn?t have been in a school at all.

Wonder how much the deans were a part of the "plan" to keep the thug in school and if they will be rethinking those plans in the future?

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

I imagine neither the judge nor the deans had much say in the issue and both the judge and deans realized that keeping Lyle in school was a risk to other students and faculty. Because this case involves a minor it is likely the back story won't come out for a long time. But, if Lyle was identified as being emotionally disturbed he would qualify for an Individualized Education Plan (IEP) and be protected from disciplinary actions as applied to students not considered "special education." This goes at least as far back as the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (1965) which has been re-authorized more recently as Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (1975) and No Child Left Behind (2001). It was the authorization in 1975 that established the provision of a Free and Appropriate Public Education (FAPE) and a court case, Honig v. Doe (1998) that set the precedent of allowing students such as Lyle to remain in school. I'm not an expert but I have had some experience in this area and this is just off the top of my head. There are other acts of congress as well as court cases. These just seem the most pertinent. I might be wrong.

I try not to think about this too much as there is ample research that shows a stable family with a positive male role model (father) is the biggest indicator of a child's success but rather than go to the root of the issue, politicians would rather blame guns or try to tweak the schools and avoid the problem. Education is big business and consulting with a district to help improve performance is highly lucrative. Unfortunately, I think most of these consultants live by the saying, "If you can't fix the problem, there is great money in prolonging it."

BREATHER

03-26-2023, 05:38

There is a Mental Health Corporation of Denver facility directly across from East HS tennis courts on Galapagos.

funkymonkey1111

03-26-2023, 09:04

There is a Mental Health Corporation of Denver facility directly across from East HS tennis courts on Galapagos.

East High School isn't near Galapago St.

leightoncash

03-26-2023, 09:10

I'm curious about how he got kicked out of the Cherry Creek school. Clearly the kid had a bad streak and it was a good call, but did it happen simply because of a social media post where he was holding a pistol? Was there an accompanying threat?

I'm just imagining a good kid going to the range with his dad and he gets a chance to shoot something cool like a class 3. That kid is going to want video and he's going to want to show his friends the cool thing he did on social media. Would that by itself be grounds for expulsion in this day and age?

TEAMRICO

03-26-2023, 09:39

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/colorado-student-shot-two-school-administrators-probation-weapons-char-rcna76383

https://denverite.com/2023/03/23/denver-public-high-schools-armed-officers/

He was a good boy…..

BREATHER

03-26-2023, 09:47

East High School isn't near Galapago St.

You are correct, that's West HS, same ghetto environment, same types of people, same needs.

Aloha_Shooter

03-27-2023, 11:29

https://law.justia.com/codes/colorado/2016/title-24/administration/article-10/section-24-10-106.3
https://www.accidentdenver.com/colorado-governmental-immunity-act#:~:text=The%20Colorado%20Governmental%20Immuni ty%20Act,state%20agency%20or%20government%20worker .

Government at most levels has immunity protections from the laws they pass.

This may carry over to civil lawsuits as well.

That's when the decisions they make are made in good faith. It doesn't necessarily translate to situations where the outcome was predictable. To be fair, I read too fast -- both personnel lived but they will carry with them trauma from an entirely predictable situation. Besdies, the Left never bothers with the letter or spirit of the law, they sue anyway to make a point. It's about time we hoist them on their own petards.