Teslas should be banned.

[Fentonite]

A Tesla owner just shot and killed another Tesla owner over a charging station in the Edgewater Public Market. Clearly, Teslas should be banned.

[Joe_K]

They are a terrible idea for a vehicle, but hopefully people can figure that out for themselves.

[eddiememphis]

https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2022/08/18/edgewater-bans-open-carry-of-firearms-effort-to-blame-white-supremacy-in-ordinance-fails/
https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2022/05/03/emails-show-edgewater-councilwoman-coaching-anti-gun-activists-regional-effort-revealed/

But councilwoman Hannah Gay Keao ran and was elected as a gun sense candidate. I thought Edgewater was safe from evil white supremacists and their weapons of war?

I guess there is more work to be done.

Gay Keao, who was heavily supported financially by several anti-gun groups, ran as ?gun sense candidate,? which included signing a pledge for Everytown for Gun Safety that said if elected she would ?govern with gun safety in mind.?

She has taken that pledge seriously. Gay Keao also has been helping a coordinated effort to push gun rights restrictions across numerous Front Range local governments.

"Overwhelmingly, mass shootings are perpetrated by individuals who are motived by a far-right ideology and white supremacy,..."

Hannah Gay Keao not only helped write and edit a presentation given by the Colorado Ceasefire gun control group at an April 5 city council meeting, but also instructs others on what to say during testimony for both the April 5 meeting and a subsequent April 19 meeting to discuss a laundry-list of potential ordinances targeting gun owners.

[Fentonite]

She has been a constant bigoted and irrational thorn in the sides of many upstanding Edgewater residents.

[ray1970]

I fully support genocide amongst Tesla drivers and Prius drivers.

[buffalobo]

Wonder if Hannah would use a gun to defend her Tesla or her self?

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[Clint45]

Honestly, I've been utterly shocked by how many times I've seen a Tesla roadraging.

"Sir, you are driving an $80,000 electric sports car and I'm driving a 40 year old solid steel shitbox with reinforced bumpers... your aggression is very entertaining to me."

[Scanker19]

Wonder if Hannah would use a gun to defend her Tesla or her self?

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

Yes. You’re/we’re not allowed to.

[def90]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-01/tesla-road-rage-suspect-los-angeles-history-of-violence-threats


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVeK7KxO-f4

[theGinsue]

Why are they so angry? Do you suppose it's because they spent so much money for a car that they thought was "free to drive" only to find out the cost of charging them can sometimes cost more than gasoline?

[BPTactical]

So he got charged after all?
[Coffee]

[crays]

So he got charged after all?
[Coffee]

Shocking

[eddiememphis]

Assault and battery?

Some people are wired differently.

[BPTactical]

Assault and battery?

Some people are wired differently.



He had such potential...

[Scanker19]

I heard teslas are worse for the environment than a regular gas car…

[BPTactical]

I heard teslas are worse for the environment than a regular gas car…

There is so much resistance to them

[O2HeN2]

I guess it comes as no surprise that Tesla owners can afford expensive guns...

93740

I'm unsure of what this is, maybe an M&P with a dot and compensator?

O2

[Fentonite]

There is so much resistance to them

Indeed - they seem to be quite polarizing. Some people get so amped up about them, that their brains short-circuit and they blew a fuse. Too bad they can't be more grounded.

[ray1970]

I think this incident just shows that Tesla owners just aren?t very well grounded.

[ray1970]

I think this incident just shows that Tesla owners just aren?t very well grounded.

Ugh. Fentonite beat me to it. My apologies for my poor reading apprehension skills.

[ray1970]

I guess it comes as no surprise that Tesla owners can afford expensive guns...

93740

I'm unsure of what this is, maybe an M&P with a dot and compensator?

O2

Maybe a Canik?

[eddiememphis]

There is so much resistance to them

There are positives and negatives to them.

[BushMasterBoy]

I want a Tesla in Bud Light blue. You can always eat the lithium.

[Doc45]

I heard, I believe on KOA, that both parties were armed and the shooter called 911 after driving a short distance away and surrendered. It’ll be interesting to see what more information is released.

[BladesNBarrels]

I want a Tesla in Bud Light blue. You can always eat the lithium.

Do you eat the lithium, or does the lithium eat you?

[Wulf202]

Anyone heard from the forum's tesla enthusiast?

[Scanker19]

Do you eat the lithium, or does the lithium eat you?

The lithium keeps me from eating others.

[To Bear Arms]

Looks like a Springfield Hellcat RDP.
Where is our resident Tesla driver with all this Tesla talk!?!

[Jer]

Anyone heard from the forum's tesla enthusiast?

I guess I'm being paged.

What would you like me to say? Just a bunch of "adults" behaving like adolescents who were told the boogie man is coming for their things and acting out illogically in all directions trying to mask their insecurities through false machismo & chest pounding. It's sad to witness. Grown ass men sitting around reveling in the lowest forms of tribalism and echoing urban legends that aren't based in facts due to some sort of perceived threat to their freedom & way of life. All because of what? A mode of transportation that another adult chose based on their needs or wants. That's the perceived threat to your very existence that must be met with genocide?

As I read through these posts, I shake my head at how loudly ignorant humans can be. Speaking on subjects they know precious little about, clearly. What they think they know coming from untrustworthy sources (sources that simply confirm their biases w/o any consideration of actual facts) which they then regurgitate to each others in some odd idiot ritual that they derive comfort from because "they took er jerbs!" or some such shit. I guess I'm just too intelligent & comfortable with myself to truly appreciate the simplicity of a good bigotry party by those who also claim to be the most persecuted group today. All of this in an effort to sleep soundly at night knowing they're "right" rather than caring about actually getting it right because what they discover could shake the very foundation of all they know to be true if but one belief is successfully challenged.

Is that what you're looking for?

I mean seriously, this group of ALL groups letting the bad actions of a single person reflect upon the entire group is rich. We still don't know if it was justified self defense (or any other details for that matter) but he's a Tesla driver so he automatically surrenders his "innocent until proven guilty" card, right? Not even an American... save for the car that's engineered in America, made in America by American hands and runs on American energy. Filthy Kommie!

For those wondering why this forum has become a ghost town in recent years, you need not look further than the knuckle-dragging room temperature IQ posts of this thread. It's an embarrassment and makes it easy to see why the political tides are shifting heavily against the rights for the members of this group. Y'all make it awfully hard to convince people on the left that we're not all idiots with an attitude & a chip on our shoulder and most of us are contributing honest members of society who are intelligent plus possess higher-than-average common sense and want nothing but freedom and the safety of all.

[ray1970]

Hey, Jer?.

On a less serious note, if you and I were fighting over a charging station and I ended up on the receiving end of some projectiles, what sort of platform would those projectiles be launched from?

Inquiring minds want to know what sort of defensive devices a Tesla owner prefers.

[Jer]

Hey, Jer?.

On a less serious note, if you and I were fighting over a charging station and I ended up on the receiving end of some projectiles, what sort of platform would those projectiles be launched from?

Inquiring minds want to know what sort of defensive devices a Tesla owner prefers.

Everyone knows Tesla drivers are 9mm Mafia fo lyfe!

[Fentonite]

I guess I'm being paged.

What would you like me to say? Just a bunch of "adults" behaving like adolescents who were told the boogie man is coming for their things and acting out illogically in all directions trying to mask their insecurities through false machismo & chest pounding. It's sad to witness. Grown ass men sitting around reveling in the lowest forms of tribalism and echoing urban legends that aren't based in facts due to some sort of perceived threat to their freedom & way of life. All because of what? A mode of transportation that another adult chose based on their needs or wants. That's the perceived threat to your very existence that must be met with genocide?

As I read through these posts, I shake my head at how loudly ignorant humans can be. Speaking on subjects they know precious little about, clearly. What they think they know coming from untrustworthy sources (sources that simply confirm their biases w/o any consideration of actual facts) which they then regurgitate to each others in some odd idiot ritual that they derive comfort from because "they took er jerbs!" or some such shit. I guess I'm just too intelligent & comfortable with myself to truly appreciate the simplicity of a good bigotry party by those who also claim to be the most persecuted group today. All of this in an effort to sleep soundly at night knowing they're "right" rather than caring about actually getting it right because what they discover could shake the very foundation of all they know to be true if but one belief is successfully challenged.

Is that what you're looking for?

I mean seriously, this group of ALL groups letting the bad actions of a single person reflect upon the entire group is rich. We still don't know if it was justified self defense (or any other details for that matter) but he's a Tesla driver so he automatically surrenders his "innocent until proven guilty" card, right? Not even an American... save for the car that's engineered in America, made in America by American hands and runs on American energy. Filthy Kommie!

For those wondering why this forum has become a ghost town in recent years, you need not look further than the knuckle-dragging room temperature IQ posts of this thread. It's an embarrassment and makes it easy to see why the political tides are shifting heavily against the rights for the members of this group. Y'all make it awfully hard to convince people on the left that we're not all idiots with an attitude & a chip on our shoulder and most of us are contributing honest members of society who are intelligent plus possess higher-than-average common sense and want nothing but freedom and the safety of all.

Jer. It was a joke. The intent was to point out the absurdity of blaming an object for a person?s behavior. You know - satire. Or maybe you don?t, in which case my post is an example.

?satire: the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people?s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics, and other topical issues.? - Oxford Dictionary

[BushMasterBoy]

I still think it would be cool to have a Tesla and charge it from a big solar panel in my back yard. An electric HMMV would be even cooler. Maybe even an alien Bud Light sticker and a personalized licence plate that reads "AREA51"...

[Joe_K]

I guess I'm being paged.

What would you like me to say? Just a bunch of "adults" behaving like adolescents who were told the boogie man is coming for their things and acting out illogically in all directions trying to mask their insecurities through false machismo & chest pounding. It's sad to witness. Grown ass men sitting around reveling in the lowest forms of tribalism and echoing urban legends that aren't based in facts due to some sort of perceived threat to their freedom & way of life. All because of what? A mode of transportation that another adult chose based on their needs or wants. That's the perceived threat to your very existence that must be met with genocide?

As I read through these posts, I shake my head at how loudly ignorant humans can be. Speaking on subjects they know precious little about, clearly. What they think they know coming from untrustworthy sources (sources that simply confirm their biases w/o any consideration of actual facts) which they then regurgitate to each others in some odd idiot ritual that they derive comfort from because "they took er jerbs!" or some such shit. I guess I'm just too intelligent & comfortable with myself to truly appreciate the simplicity of a good bigotry party by those who also claim to be the most persecuted group today. All of this in an effort to sleep soundly at night knowing they're "right" rather than caring about actually getting it right because what they discover could shake the very foundation of all they know to be true if but one belief is successfully challenged.

Is that what you're looking for?

I mean seriously, this group of ALL groups letting the bad actions of a single person reflect upon the entire group is rich. We still don't know if it was justified self defense (or any other details for that matter) but he's a Tesla driver so he automatically surrenders his "innocent until proven guilty" card, right? Not even an American... save for the car that's engineered in America, made in America by American hands and runs on American energy. Filthy Kommie!

For those wondering why this forum has become a ghost town in recent years, you need not look further than the knuckle-dragging room temperature IQ posts of this thread. It's an embarrassment and makes it easy to see why the political tides are shifting heavily against the rights for the members of this group. Y'all make it awfully hard to convince people on the left that we're not all idiots with an attitude & a chip on our shoulder and most of us are contributing honest members of society who are intelligent plus possess higher-than-average common sense and want nothing but freedom and the safety of all.

So, what kind of Tesla do you you drive? [UZI]

[Jer]

So, what kind of Tesla do you you drive? [UZI]

Not sure if serious based on the emoticon but, if so, we have owned many in the past and currently have three:

2023 Tesla Model Y Long Range, blue on white
2017 Tesla Model S P100D w/Ludicrous (0-60mph in 2.21 seconds), silver on white
2016.5 Tesla Model S P90D w/Ludicrous, red on beige

These cars are truly amazing. The Model Y is the slowest vehicle Tesla makes currently and it will still run circles around anything gas-powered you've driven and does so far more reliably and inexpensively in terms of energy source and maintenance.

I, too, thought they were bad news bears based on all the BS you hear echoed (especially in these types of circles most on this forum tend to associate with) but the reality is that almost none of it is true. The ultra-negative view of Tesla as a brand by a small percentage of the populace is tiring and comes largely from a place of simply not understanding the truth and taking the BS as fact.

I've offered it here before: I'm happy to meet anyone in person who would like to see one in person and go for a ride and answer any and all questions you have 100% honestly, for better or worse. I'm not a salesman for Tesla nor do I have an agenda. I won't sugar coat any of the negative and will offer up everything for you to be able to make an informed opinion on the topic. Hint: very little of anything you read on forums like this are accurate to reality as it applies to this topic.

I've done quite a few deep dives over the years on all things EV so I'm happy to offer up any knowledge I've gained to those who are genuinely interested and open to discussing. What I've grown utterly bored with is people on forums like this who just say hot button items to seem like they know what they're talking about on a topic w/o actually knowing anything and then refusing to accept any info that goes against that, regardless of how factual it is. This one-way discourse is something I no longer have the time for in life. If someone wants to live in a bubble of misinformation and has no desire to learn anything new then I wish them well but I don't have the patience for those meaningless conversations. I have no interest in contributing to someone's echo chamber of ignorance that serves only to confirm their inaccurate assumptions with zero desire to level-up their knowledge of a topic.

I will however talk for hours to someone who wants to have a civil 2-way conversation from a place of genuinely wanting to know from someone who has been through it first hand that's happy to answer all questions. Happy to spread the word of our lord and savior Elon Musk. ROFL

[ray1970]

I?m holding out for one of the hydrogen powered Toyotas.

[BushMasterBoy]

Ludicrous is ulltra fast mode. Ballistic kevlar body and bullet proof glass would definitely be a wanted option here in Pueblo.

https://www.autotrader.com/car-shopping/ludicrous-mode-ludicrous-plus-mode

[eddiememphis]

I?m holding out for one of the hydrogen powered Toyotas.

93837

[GeorgeandSugar]

Why are they so angry? Do you suppose it's because they spent so much money for a car that they thought was "free to drive" only to find out the cost of charging them can sometimes cost more than gasoline?

They failed to read the fine print on the time involved in charging their Tesla?s not to mention the scarcity of charging stations.


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[Wulf202]

Lighten up Francis

[Jer]

They failed to read the fine print on the time involved in charging their Tesla?s not to mention the scarcity of charging stations.


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This post perfectly illustrates my point in it's inaccuracy that's presented as fact.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I fully support genocide amongst Tesla drivers and Prius drivers.

It's not genocide, it's a later-term abortion. Admittedly extremely late but late nonetheless.

[Grant H.]

I still think it would be cool to have a Tesla and charge it from a big solar panel in my back yard. An electric HMMV would be even cooler. Maybe even an alien Bud Light sticker and a personalized licence plate that reads "AREA51"...

You were saying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxkPuEmIX4U&list=PL0vZL9uwyfOFezIOiBjkdW3TTdn0Q_AKL

I'll just leave the Butt Light portion alone...

[Grant H.]

They failed to read the fine print on the time involved in charging their Tesla?s not to mention the scarcity of charging stations.


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I don't have a dog in this fight, but rapid chargers are hardly scarce at this point...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52897594394_58ff393979_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oAnZTy)t (https://flic.kr/p/2oAnZTy) by ARNEWB (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61071044@N08/), on Flickr

[ray1970]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but rapid chargers are hardly scarce at this point...



Yeah. I see those things everywhere and in some unexpected places. Even in some very small towns on less than major highways I see them.

[O2HeN2]

...but scarce enough to encourage shootouts at the OK Charger.

O2

[Jer]

...but scarce enough to encourage shootouts at the OK Charger.

O2

What logic. When someone gets shot at a gas station do you also blame a gas scarcity?

[BPTactical]

...but scarce enough to encourage shootouts at the OK Charger.

O2[LOL][LOL][LOL]

[GeorgeandSugar]

This post perfectly illustrates my point in it's inaccuracy that's presented as fact.

It was actually sarcasm.


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[Jer]

It was actually sarcasm.


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Nice try. If that's the case then lots of people on this forum are really bad at sarcasm delivery. Typically, to pull of sarcasm successfully, the opposite needs to be widely accepted as correct making the statement obviously sarcastic. I don't believe I've ever seen a single member of this forum say a single positive thing about Tesla. Just a bunch of hot garbage based on either incredibly outdated info (at best) or parroted BS that was never even accurate in the first place. I also try not to read tone into people's posts on forums, emails or text messages so if there's a sarcastic tone in any of this it's going to be entirely lost on people like myself.

[O2HeN2]

...but scarce enough to encourage shootouts at the OK Charger.

O2
What logic. When someone gets shot at a gas station do you also blame a gas scarcity?
Sigh. It too, was sarcasm.

And it meets your bar since pretty much everyone on this 'board feels it's the person, not an object that's to blame for their actions.

O2

[BPTactical]

Ya know man if there were no electric cars





















































There would be no electric cars.
Jus sayin

[theGinsue]

I don't believe I've ever seen a single member of this forum say a single positive thing about Tesla.


No dog in the fight as I have ZERO interest in ANY electric or hybrid vehicle, but...

I honestly feel that the Model S and the proposed Tesla Roadster have decent lines (appearance) for a car.

Okay, now you can't say no one has said anything positive about them any more.

[buffalobo]

Meh, Jer has been an easy bait for many years. Quiet sarcasm and dry humor are best approach. Timing and patience are key. G&S lucked into it.

Jer you own the Tesla topic(and probably nice chunk of stock since been fan boiy from beginning), keep beatin em over the head with logic.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[Fentonite]

I did drive a buddy’s Rivian SUV. Holy crap, it was fun. Can’t deny that.

[Jer]

Meh, Jer has been an easy bait for many years. Quiet sarcasm and dry humor are best approach. Timing and patience are key. G&S lucked into it.

Jer you own the Tesla topic(and probably nice chunk of stock since been fan boiy from beginning), keep beatin em over the head with logic.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

I own zero TSLA stock shares. The cars are just that good and I'm a car guy, through and through.

Those who know me over the decades refer to me as a "gear head" and have all been amazed that I'm such a proponent Teslas. It's nothing political and I'm not a tree hugger trying to save the environment. They're just the best passenger vehicles for our needs and nothing else is even close at this point. There's others arriving late at the party and I welcome them all as competition favors the consumer. Hell, I even had a Ford Lightning reservation since minutes after they revealed it and was slated to take delivery a few months ago but that entire process was an absolute nightmare.

For years now I've tried to explain that I wasn't a Tesla fanboi so much as a "I like the best item available for my needs" kind of guy and they had the best product for our needs. I'm not brand loyal in the least and if Kia makes the best EV next month we'll be driving those instead. They won't because Tesla is that far ahead but I'm only as loyal as the product is loyal to me. I'm not getting any brand tattoos anytime soon.

I really wanted to see what Ford's offering was all about but that entire process was nothing but a stressful nightmare. I honestly don't believe I'll ever even consider a Ford product again after that symphony of errors on Ford's part over a year or so. It's too bad because, based on volume, that will be many people's first hand experience with EVs. They already lump Tesla Model S's in with Nissan Leaf's just because of the similar form of propulsion. That's basically where the similarities end but people talk about "EVs" as if they're all the same like a Nissan Versa is the same thing as a Lamborghini because they both use gasoline for their form of propulsion.

Because of that, I'm unsure if it will help the adoption rate or hurt it even though logically the more that are on the road (no matter how good or bad) the more it should help. I guess time will tell.

[Jer]

No dog in the fight as I have ZERO interest in ANY electric or hybrid vehicle, but...

I honestly feel that the Model S and the proposed Tesla Roadster have decent lines (appearance) for a car.

Okay, now you can't say no one has said anything positive about them any more.

TBH that's what caught my attention initially. When I saw it many years ago, it was one of the best designed cars I had ever seen. It looked good enough that I had to know who made it. When I discovered it was a Tesla EV I was instantly out. Hard pass. 'I don't want a slow ass EV environmental warrior no matter how good it looks" I thought to myself. I'm glad I stepped outside of my comfort zone because the research I did using unbiased sources opened my eyes. I'd still be living with an inferior tool because I was too stubborn to examine another tool to determine if it could possibly be better. I'm here to say that a hammer isn't a hammer isn't a hammer and comparing any ICE car to an EV (specifically a Tesla) is already a silly starting point. They're just not the same. It's comparing apples to aardvarks.

For the record, the Model S is the secksiest car Tesla makes (until that Next Gen Roadster is made real) and the Model 3 and Y just isn't the same, visually. Far more utilitarian and far less flagship although I suspect most people don't even realize Tesla makes different models that are wildly different from top to bottom. From the world-beating performance (low 9-second quarter mile in nearly any condition in complete silence and comfort? yes please!) Tesla Model S Plaid at $130k down to their Model 3 which costs 1/3 as much.. they offer incredibly different driving experiences. The Model S (and a little lesser so the Model X) is more for "car people" generally speaking. The Model 3 and Y are more for the type who would simply buy a Honda Civic to get from point A to point B economically. Nothing wrong with either one, but lots of people go for a ride in a Model 3 (since they're by far the most you see on the road) and assume they know everything they need to know about Tesla. It would be like going for a ride in a Nissan Versa and assuming you know all you need to know about the GTR.

This is why I always offer to have people come check them out for themselves. It will change the way you look at them enough to at least start your own research path instead of just being closed minded the way I was at one point not too long ago as well. This is why Tesla has a $0 marketing budget because owners are willing to show anyone and everyone because they're that good. The product literally markets itself.

[buffalobo]

I own zero TSLA stock shares. The cars are just that good and I'm a car guy, through and through.

Those who know me over the decades refer to me as a "gear head" and have all been amazed that I'm such a proponent Teslas. It's nothing political and I'm not a tree hugger trying to save the environment. They're just the best passenger vehicles for our needs and nothing else is even close at this point. There's others arriving late at the party and I welcome them all as competition favors the consumer. Hell, I even had a Ford Lightning reservation since minutes after they revealed it and was slated to take delivery a few months ago but that entire process was an absolute nightmare.

For years now I've tried to explain that I wasn't a Tesla fanboi so much as a "I like the best item available for my needs" kind of guy and they had the best product for our needs. I'm not brand loyal in the least and if Kia makes the best EV next month we'll be driving those instead. They won't because Tesla is that far ahead but I'm only as loyal as the product is loyal to me. I'm not getting any brand tattoos anytime soon.

I really wanted to see what Ford's offering was all about but that entire process was nothing but a stressful nightmare. I honestly don't believe I'll ever even consider a Ford product again after that symphony of errors on Ford's part over a year or so. It's too bad because, based on volume, that will be many people's first hand experience with EVs. They already lump Tesla Model S's in with Nissan Leaf's just because of the similar form of propulsion. That's basically where the similarities end but people talk about "EVs" as if they're all the same like a Nissan Versa is the same thing as a Lamborghini because they both use gasoline for their form of propulsion.

Because of that, I'm unsure if it will help the adoption rate or hurt it even though logically the more that are on the road (no matter how good or bad) the more it should help. I guess time will tell.Dude, money been made on TSLA, figured you be in long term.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[Jer]

Dude, money been made on TSLA, figured you be in long term.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

If I was it would be a long-term play for sure. I was this close -><- to buying about $10k worth back when it was $168/share I believe two splits ago which would have made me north of a half million buckaroos after gains tax was paid out last I checked. I don't do single stock investing though as it's too volatile for my liking. To be fair, I _may_ have inadvertently invested in TSLA in one of my mutual funds but I don't really count that as investing in TSLA based on the spirit of the question.

[Justin]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but rapid chargers are hardly scarce at this point...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52897594394_58ff393979_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oAnZTy)t (https://flic.kr/p/2oAnZTy) by ARNEWB (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61071044@N08/), on Flickr

And that map shows just Tesla-specific superchargers. If you add in 3rd Party DC Fast Chargers and Level 2 chargers, the map looks more like this:

https://www.plugshare.com/


And that doesn't even count the ability to plug in at RV parks or, in the worst case, a 110V wall outlet.

[Great-Kazoo]

At this point in time, who cares. Drive one, or don't, if one was affordable i might consider it. It took 33 yrs before i'd even consider something other than a Big 3 vehicle. 15 yrs later on car # 3 that's a japanese branded (BUT) Made in America vehicle.

The down side to the EV's is. Unable to get in to one, let alone comfortable sitting or driving.

[eddiememphis]

https://kdvr.com/news/local/man-found-not-guilty-of-deadly-shooting-at-edgewater-charging-station/

The man accused of shooting and killing another man at a Tesla charging station in Edgewater was found not guilty by a jury on Wednesday.

The complexities surrounding self-defense claims are often best addressed by a jury, as it allows the community to uphold justice while evaluating individual actions against shared societal expectations. We thank the jury for their service throughout this important case,” said Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Rhoads.