Bud, Target and now Chick-fil-a

[hollohas]

Chick-fil-A has been infiltrated.

They're proudly advertising their new DEI mission, launched a seriously weird color scheme CLOTHING line (not sure which marketing dipshit thought that clothing should be on the business plan for fastfood chicken) and they are happy to advertise that their clothes are designed by a NYC based, "certified B corp"...which is apparently some sort of top tier elite level of commie social credit score.

These companies just won't learn. They are marketing to a demographic that will NEVER support them. At the same time, I'm sure they'll end up losing loyal customers over this. It's a losing strategy no matter what. I just don't understand why any company wades into those waters...

https://www.chick-fil-a.com/dei

https://shop.chick-fil-a.com/

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[3beansalad]

I'm disappointed but not surprised. Every corporation has become a slave to ESG.

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[TEAMRICO]

Places like this just save me money.
I actually stoped going there when they kept trying to take my order way before I even got to the drive thru menu. They kept tapping my window trying to get me to place an order. I told the kid to back until I get to the menu.

[eddiememphis]

Bah, who fucking cares at this point?

Is every little infraction to your precious sensibilities worthy of a boycott?

An advertising campaign by any company is not worth my time and effort to get worked up about.

If you like homos, or promote their lifestyle, I don't care as long as your chicken is tasty.

Is Chick-Fil-A advertising to the LGBTetc community reason to boycott them? What if they had commercials specifically aimed at jews or blacks?

Calling out companies for their advertising when your feelings are hurt is a tactic of the left.

Stop it.

[Fentonite]

I respectfully disagree. The woke movement is specifically trying to demonize and marginalize me and folks like me. I am all for tolerance, but when those who are screaming for it are anything but tolerant to me and mine, I take exception. I’ll defend their right to freedom of speech, and likewise, I won’t give up mine. And if you want to spend your money there, I’ll defend your right to do so. I’m not calling for them to be deprived of their right to pursue their business, but they won’t get money from me.

[eddiememphis]

You just said exactly what the left has been saying about Chick-Fil-A for years.

You feel Chick-Fil-A is bowing down to the left. People that lean left feel Chick-Fil-A has been kneeling to the religious right for decades.

The hungry guy in line is likely not motivated by politics but by the gurgling in his stomach.

There are more productive ways to expend one's political energy than boycotting a company because of an advertising campaign.

[Fentonite]

You have a point. I do believe that the left (or whoever) had the right to choose other businesses to patronize if they disagreed with the company’s values. I have that right too. I’m not expending any energy by choosing another lunch location. And I certainly not going to picket in front of their stores. I’ll just do what I feel is right for me.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Target has always been a liberal company, a favorite budget-shopping place for the leftists. Bud Light's descent was a product of a moronic Ivy League business school education indoctrination. I suspect Chik-Fil-A's drift is due to the pressures exerted by ESG scoring by the investment finance community but I don't know why profitable companies are bowing to that pressure. This seems to come from some idiotic need to take out loans to meet daily financial commitments which seems to me to be sheer stupidity in business operations but then I didn't attend Sloan or Wharton or what have you.

It would be nice to see at least one major American company tell Blackrock to take their money and shove it.

[eddiememphis]

Another thing to consider is that Chick-fil-A's are a franchise, not corporately owned. So if one does choose to boycott, it much more directly affects your neighbors, who may own one of them. Also, the restaurant business has notoriously thin margins. So your protest will hurt more the owner who likely had no say in choosing the advertising campaign, less felt by the company that did.

Personally, I rarely go to Chick-fil-A because their fries suck. Way too large and almost always undercooked. Freddy's has the best fries in the fast food world, hands-down.

[Fentonite]

Another thing to consider is that Chick-fil-A's are a franchise, not corporately owned. So if one does choose to boycott, it much more directly affects your neighbors, who may own one of them. Also, the restaurant business has notoriously thin margins. So your protest will hurt more the owner who likely had no say in choosing the advertising campaign, less felt by the company that did.

That’s something I hadn’t considered. I imagine the sort of folks who choose to buy a franchise from Chik-fil-a probably aren’t aligned with this corporate decision.

[hollohas]

To be clear, I didn't call for a boycott. I am however questioning the business decision of an extremely successful chicken chain completely changing their marketing strategy.

Chick-fil-A boardroom - "Hey guys, we sell more chicken than any other chain, let's completely change our best practices and go another route. "

That's plain stupid.

Talk about boycotts hurting franchise owners? How about an executive and marketing team hurting their franchise owners by trashing their long proven successful business model for one with a solid track record of failure.

This harmful marketing strategy is becoming increasingly common. Executives used to worry about profits, now they worry about DEI over profits. It's going to harm many companies.

[Martinjmpr]

I "boycott" Chick Fil A because their lines are always a mile long and their food is overpriced.

I don't understand how people can get so excited over a franchised chain business selling generic food products, but it seems to happen in Colorado every few years. People went crazy when they heard Krispy Kreme was going to be setting up shop here. Ditto for In-n-Out.

Now people are getting excited about Buc-ees convenience stores coming to CO? Why? It's a chain convenience store. They literally sell the exact same crap every other chain convenience store sells.

[ruthabagah]

I remind everyone who calls a boycott on businesses supporting lgbt rights that Harley Davidson is a platinum supporter for the LGBT community?

https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/business/2019/03/29/harley-davidson-and-milwaukee-companies-rated-lgbtq-equality/3300954002/


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[ray1970]

We will all know Chick-fil-a has completely caved when they start opening for business on Sunday.

I do find some sort of hypocrisy when the stores are closed on Sunday because of some sort of Christian values but openly support homosexuality.

I have learned that boycotting places because of their policies or practices ultimately has little to no effect on their business so if they have a product I want I just suck it up buy it. Starbucks is pretty left leaning from the top down and I guarantee I have little common beliefs that are shared with any of their employees but I do buy their product because I need coffee and they have a drive through and their stores are everywhere.

[MED]

Corporations that take positions that contradict the values of their consumer base is definitely a stupid thing to do like in the case of Budweiser. Corporations should stay neutral; if they don't, they are going to piss off somebody. Succumbing to the woke mob as many have done will have consequences. Generally, I believe all people should have equal protection under the law regardless if I agree or disagree with their beliefs or life choices so I won't boycott a company that brings a product to those who need it like in the case of Target nor will I attack an individual different from me, but I will not compromise my beliefs for people who are different from me. I will boycott a company that is directly involved in supporting policies and politicians who attack my freedoms. Conversely, all people should have the freedom to express themselves in accordance with the first amendment without fear of activists destroying their lives through cancel culture or government overreach; corporations, businesses, governments pandering to cancel culture and political/religious suppression; suppression of any kind is truly a prime threat to our constitutionally protected freedoms. A lot of businesses are navigating the wrath of cancel culture and misguided activists who are trying to force their beliefs on others, and there are misguided activists from all different views and groups not just the left. Unfortunately we have too many people who want to get involved in the affairs of others. Social media has created a war of ideas that will have a profound impact on policy and law that will impact everyone. As much as I hate it all, it is a war. I don't want to be a part of it, but sticking one's head in the sand isn't a solution either.

EDI is indoctrination. There is more to it than what is on the surface; there are way too many communist themes that are pushed through EDI training; the garbage I'm forced to sit through at work is appalling. I have no problem treating people respectfully regardless of who they are or what they believe, but when it comes to communist philosophy forcing me to think, believe, and communicate a certain way...pushing me to accept collective over individual freedoms, then I have serious issues.

[hollohas]

It's everywhere. Anyone who makes choices of where they spend their money based on stuff like this isn't going to have many choices left soon. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230601/920c81596926b762331e113e11d00ecf.jpg

[funkymonkey1111]

Chick-fil-A has been ultra woke since Dan Cathy shined a black dude's shoes during the riots of 2020.

[Vic Tory]

I'm Christian, but I stopped eating at Chick-fil-A years ago. All of their chicken ingredients include MSG, which gives my wife bad headaches.

IMO the Cathy family has been creeping away from solid Christian doctrine for several years. For all their declarations about being Gospel-centered ... they've chosen to serve mammon instead.

[Oscar77]

Hollo:
I'm not seeing the issue in your links...................
The clothing colors are based on the favors (ie BBQ) they sell.

The Corporate Statements are the tamest I've read.

But you do you................. boycott away.

[def90]

Hollo:
I'm not seeing the issue in your links...................
The clothing colors are based on the favors (ie BBQ) they sell.

The Corporate Statements are the tamest I've read.

But you do you................. boycott away.


https://shop.chick-fil-a.com/?_gl=1*1k78dyg*_ga*MzQ0MTgxMS4xNjg1NTkwMzMz*_ga_W1 ZL54JC7M*MTY4NTU5MDMzMi4xLjAuMTY4NTU5MDMzMi42MC4wL jA.

[Oscar77]

https://shop.chick-fil-a.com/?_gl=1*1k78dyg*_ga*MzQ0MTgxMS4xNjg1NTkwMzMz*_ga_W1 ZL54JC7M*MTY4NTU5MDMzMi4xLjAuMTY4NTU5MDMzMi42MC4wL jA.

Exactly:
How is selling items in the same color as the various favors Chick-filet offers somehow a LBGQ etc deal?
I mean is BBQ or Sriracha sauce color some how connected to the LBQ etc movement?
What about "Garden Herb Ranch?"

[hollohas]

I said they were weird colors, not LGBT colors. I was questioning their business decision of selling CLOTHES as well as their new DEI mission and interest in commie social credit scores.

Question a company's marketing strategy as something that doesn't follow their own best practices and somehow that translates to boycott?

Try looking at this a little deeper than typical outrage/boycott/triggered/hurt feeling nonsense. Looking for actual conversations about the fact that so many companies continue to make these decisions regardless of the fact everyone knows they're not good for business. If these companies aren't interested in the health of the business, what are they interested in? If they do think they are good for business, what dipshits convinced them?

Chick-fil-A consumers simply don't care about social credit scores. Chick-fil-A customers don't care if the company's mission is DEI. They care about decent food and friendly service. Why are companies so interested in focusing on DEI and commie scoring when their customers don't give a shit about that stuff?

[Rooskibar03]

Try looking at this a little deeper than typical outrage/boycott/triggered/hurt feeling nonsense. Looking for actual conversations about the fact that so many companies continue to make these decisions regardless of the fact everyone knows they're not good for business. If these companies aren't interested in the health of the business, what are they interested in? If they do think they are good for business, what dipshits convinced them?


It's all about the corporate ESG score. 3 investment firms control over 20 Trillion dollars and represent 90% of the businesses that appear on S&P. (yes I know CFA isn't publicly traded). The ESG score applies massive pressure to a board, including mandatory reporting and requirements for diversity of the boards. Failure to bend the knee results in downgrading of stock, investment and capital restrictions, etc.

It's not about the customers, its about being able to do business.

[3beansalad]

USAA is another private company no one seems to be talking about. They have a very detailed DEI page on their site.

[eddiememphis]

The Atlantic, of all places, has an article "THE DEI INDUSTRY NEEDS TO CHECK ITS PRIVILEGE".

So even the far left is seeing that DEI has gone too far.

I think transmania shall soon drop from favor having run it's course.


The link is to Apple news. The Atlantic is behind a paywall.

https://apple.news/A7aa_jmi3S9GFXvf7a5nTrw

News outlets such as The New York Times and New York magazine are publishing more articles that cover the industry with skepticism. And DEI practitioners themselves are raising concerns about how their competitors operate.

However, the worst of the DEI industry is expensive and runs from useless to counterproductive. And even people who highly value diversity and inclusion should feel queasy about the DEI gold rush that began in 2020 after the murder of George Floyd. A poor Black man’s death became a pretext to sell hazily defined consulting services to corporations, as if billions in outlays, mostly among relatively privileged corporate workers, was an apt and equitable response.

[hollohas]

Wow. That's ^ actually surprising.

Maybe we're reaching a turnaround point?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12148805/UNC-medical-school-disbands-diversity-equity-inclusion-taskforce.html


The University of?North Carolina's medical school has disbanded its?diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) taskforce and will not implement any of its recommendations.

The institution had previously banned DEI statements for admissions, hiring, promotions, and tenures.?Before this, the medical school required applicants to submit a statement detailing their commitment to DEI.?

The task force's recommendations included that students understand concepts such as 'Understanding that America's medical system is structurally racist' and 'Understanding and Responding to Microaggressions.'

UNC's decision comes after the activist group Color Us United, which advocates for a 'race blind America,' campaigned for the university to axe its DEI policies for medical school staff and students.?

Kenny Xu, the organization's president, told DailyMail on Thursday the decision is significant because UNC is the first medical school to revoke a DEI taskforce

'UNC was the first to publicly see the harms of the diversity equity and inclusion movement that claims that America is a racist country,' he said.

'Mandatory unconscious bias trainings, racially discriminatory admissions all lowered the standards for high quality doctors. And we we found it important that they make a public pronouncement against it.'

[OldFogey]

Whatever. Ultimately, vote with your wallet. It is the only vote that truly matters anymore.

[MED]

The Atlantic, of all places, has an article "THE DEI INDUSTRY NEEDS TO CHECK ITS PRIVILEGE".

So even the far left is seeing that DEI has gone too far.

I think transmania shall soon drop from favor having run it's course.


The link is to Apple news. The Atlantic is behind a paywall.

https://apple.news/A7aa_jmi3S9GFXvf7a5nTrw

News outlets such as The New York Times and New York magazine are publishing more articles that cover the industry with skepticism. And DEI practitioners themselves are raising concerns about how their competitors operate.

However, the worst of the DEI industry is expensive and runs from useless to counterproductive. And even people who highly value diversity and inclusion should feel queasy about the DEI gold rush that began in 2020 after the murder of George Floyd. A poor Black man’s death became a pretext to sell hazily defined consulting services to corporations, as if billions in outlays, mostly among relatively privileged corporate workers, was an apt and equitable response.

The crazy in the 60s faded out and this will too. The pendulum always swings back to center at least on the surface. The crazy will fade. The worry is the communist undertones in our country; the subversiveness is infecting everything; it is very much a cancer. Good to see that some people are calling out EDI for what it is.

[Fentonite]

Whatever. Ultimately, vote with your wallet. It is the only vote that truly matters anymore.

One has to prioritize conviction over convenience for that to occur. When we prioritize the easy path over the conviction of our beliefs, evil wins.

[Aloha_Shooter]

The crazy in the 60s faded out and this will too. The pendulum always swings back to center at least on the surface. The crazy will fade. The worry is the communist undertones in our country; the subversiveness is infecting everything; it is very much a cancer. Good to see that some people are calling out EDI for what it is.

The problem is that it never swings back to fully center. The crazy of the 60s swung back to left of center, the crazy of the 90s swung back further to the left of center. I think the crazy of the 20s is going to center on what would have been viewed as extreme leftist just 20 years ago.

[funkymonkey1111]

https://babylonbee.com/news/chick-fil-a-trains-white-employees-to-say-my-privilege

"my privilege!"

[def90]

I said they were weird colors, not LGBT colors. I was questioning their business decision of selling CLOTHES as well as their new DEI mission and interest in commie social credit scores.

Question a company's marketing strategy as something that doesn't follow their own best practices and somehow that translates to boycott?

Try looking at this a little deeper than typical outrage/boycott/triggered/hurt feeling nonsense. Looking for actual conversations about the fact that so many companies continue to make these decisions regardless of the fact everyone knows they're not good for business. If these companies aren't interested in the health of the business, what are they interested in? If they do think they are good for business, what dipshits convinced them?

Chick-fil-A consumers simply don't care about social credit scores. Chick-fil-A customers don't care if the company's mission is DEI. They care about decent food and friendly service. Why are companies so interested in focusing on DEI and commie scoring when their customers don't give a shit about that stuff?

I don't think it's unusual at all (nor a bad business decision) for a company to sell swag that promotes their business. What does selling Tshirts have to do with building motorcycles yet Harley Davidson probably makes more money off of their merch than their bikes.

[hollohas]

Their clothing sales were so successful they completely shut it down already. Didn't even make it 1 month.

[Oscar77]

I said they were weird colors, not LGBT colors. I was questioning their business decision of selling CLOTHES as well as their new DEI mission and interest in commie social credit scores.

Question a company's marketing strategy as something that doesn't follow their own best practices and somehow that translates to boycott?

Try looking at this a little deeper than typical outrage/boycott/triggered/hurt feeling nonsense. Looking for actual conversations about the fact that so many companies continue to make these decisions regardless of the fact everyone knows they're not good for business. If these companies aren't interested in the health of the business, what are they interested in? If they do think they are good for business, what dipshits convinced them?

Chick-fil-A consumers simply don't care about social credit scores. Chick-fil-A customers don't care if the company's mission is DEI. They care about decent food and friendly service. Why are companies so interested in focusing on DEI and commie scoring when their customers don't give a shit about that stuff?

Sir:
I'll be honest, I'm not sure what your point is in this thread........... you're bouncing around alot in your allegations.

But be that as it may:

-If you want I can link endless companies that sell CLOTHES, despite the fact that they aren't clothing companies. So what.

-I read the DEI links you provided and they are lame in the scale of controversial positions, in fact the worst is they use the word "GOD." So what.

-If you want I can link endless companies that have discontinued products for one reason or another. So what.

I was in one of their stores yesterday and I got "decent food and friendly service," which is what, I guess, you want too.
So you made the mistake of jumping on their website and read some things you don't like.
Is that, in a nut shell, what this all about?

Because, again, their website is LAME on the controversy scale, you could really find ones that are FAR more exciting than Chicks.

PS:
Here.......... want to get upset about a company being too political?
Here:
Issues We Care About | Ben & Jerry’s (benjerry.com) (https://www.benjerry.com/values/issues-we-care-about)

THEY ARE and want to be controversial and political.
Boycott them.

[RblDiver]

Calling out companies for their advertising when your feelings are hurt is a tactic of the left.

Stop it.

Well, given that it's a tactic of the left, and given that many corporations are moving in that direction, it seems like it's working. Thus, the logical thing is to adopt the same tactics. What you're saying is like "The left is using both hands, but we don't want to stoop to their level, we must continue fighting with both our hands tied behind our back!" Just not effective. As Matt Walsh described it, we're collecting scalps from one company at a time, starting with Bud Light, as a warning to others. If they persist, then we collect the next scalp, and so on.

[rondog]

I just some of you investing fellers were able to take a righteous short position on BUD stock and are on your way to a killer profit.....

[eddiememphis]

Well, given that it's a tactic of the left, and given that many corporations are moving in that direction, it seems like it's working. Thus, the logical thing is to adopt the same tactics. What you're saying is like "The left is using both hands, but we don't want to stoop to their level, we must continue fighting with both our hands tied behind our back!" Just not effective. As Matt Walsh described it, we're collecting scalps from one company at a time, starting with Bud Light, as a warning to others. If they persist, then we collect the next scalp, and so on.

That is not what I was saying.

Calling for a boycott of companies (which Hollohas did not) because of an advertising campaign that offends one's delicate sensibilities is close minded and anticapitalist. Both are descriptions of leftists.

You are equating advertising with corporate influence.

If Chick-fil-A wants to spend money advertising to one-legged black midget trannys, good for them. Not my thing but I am not going to sit around, stewing about it.

When a company dabbles in politics through spending, trying to change laws to favor whatever their particular cause is, I certainly have a problem with that and it warrants more scrutiny.

Trying to sell some shitty, made in China shirts in rainbow colors through a third party vendor is capitalism. I applaud it.

[hollohas]

Responding to an earlier comment that non clothing companies sell clothes all the time, the example being Harley, so it must be a valid business model...

Harley is a motorcycle company, but they are selling a lifestyle more than just motorcycles. They are selling a BRAND.

How many people who don't own a Harley have a Harley t-shirt or mug? TONS of people. You can buy Harley branded EVERYTHING. A HUGE portion of their business comes from all the swag they sell. Swag IS their business.

So it's not a motorcycle company selling clothes. It's a lifestyle company selling motorcycles. Very bad comparison to Chick-fil-A selling clothes.

Here's the test:

Do people who don't buy your main product love your brand?

If yes, sell other shit too.
If no, sell what you do best.

Harley = yes
Chick-fil-A = no

Chick-fil-A is attempting to market to a demographic who is not interested in their sandwiches or their clothes but are interested in DEI. And people who are interested in their sandwiches are turned off by corporate DEI bullshit. Justified or not, that's a fact.

Their 3rd party clothing line company was selected 100% because of their social credit message. And that's why I tied in the clothing piece. Not because of the bright colors, but because it's obvious they were quietly trying to change their image. Chick-fil-A was trying to promote a new image using clothes and lifestyle stuff as the mechanism, to a customer base who liked their old image.

If they wanted to create brand recognition with a new lifestyle line, why not pick a clothing company that also promotes the tried and true Chick-fil-A image? There are plenty out there. But nope.

They purposely picked a commie clothing company, promoted that fact and proudly expanded their DEI mission at the same time. They have literally zero business to win by doing either.

They did it despite the easily seen fact it wouldn't increase their sales. They did it only to show they will play the social credit game.

[eddiememphis]

And people who are interested in their sandwiches are turned off by corporate DEI bullshit. Justified or not, that's a fact.


That is an assumption, not a fact. Everyone buying a chicken sandwich is not monolithic in their thinking.

There are plenty of people that support DEI nonsense that also enjoy tasty chicken.