Colorado 3-day Waiting Period

[kidicarus13]

Will Colorado's 3-day waiting period enter into your decision-making process to buy/sell firearms come October 1st?

I will list a few firearms in the next week or so that I don't really shoot. It's not convenient to go to an FFL once, let alone twice after Oct 1.

[Linkless]

I'd assume the seller would only have to go once, the buyer would have to go the initial time and then again to pick it up. That is how it worked for me when the multi-day waits happened during covid.

[BladesNBarrels]

The devil is in the details and results in unintended consequences.
Does the FFL hold the firearm during the waiting period?
Now the FFL is required to provide secure storage, insurance, and does the FFL become the legal owner?
If the FFL becomes the owner, does the seller have to have a background check if the buyer does not pass?
Does that require another 3 day waiting period?
What additional costs does the FFL incur that will be passed on to the Seller and Buyer?

[kidicarus13]

If the FFL becomes the owner, does the seller have to have a background check if the buyer does not pass?


Isn't this what happens now when the FFL transfers a firearm between 2 people?

[ray1970]

Isn't this what happens now when the FFL transfers a firearm between 2 people?

Pretty much but they don?t have to keep it and store it for three days right now.

I figure most FFLs will just quit doing private party transfers and I doubt that was an unintended consequence.

[HBARleatherneck]

Once face to face purchases went away in Colorado, I stopped buying any used guns. I have seen good deals here but its not worth it to me to have to set up time to meet at an FFL, pay a fee to exercise my rights, etc. (now I live on this side of the border I havent bought any used guns either. Nobody selling and too far to go if I found someone selling.)

[VolksDragon]

Wyoming is nice this time of year. [flamingo]

I foresee much higher fees for PP transfers locally, especially since the dealer now has to keep, store and secure the gun for the three days instead of just putting it behind the counter until the BGC clears.

The common "I'll meet you in the middle" transfers for members who live on different ends of the state will become pretty scarce since the buyer now has to make the trip twice. Ugh.

[VolksDragon]

I figure most FFLs will just quit doing private party transfers and I doubt that was an unintended consequence.

Agreed. Savages.

[beast556]

They will still do them, prices will just go up to put up with the extra headache. Growing up in CA the 10 day wait was just part of buying a gun. The 5 years that I worked in a gunshop in CA we did hundreds of private party transfers every year.

[def90]

Yeah, add on amother $15 3 day storage fee.

[Mercula]

Is this only for private party transfers ? I can’t keep up with all the bullshit.

[Oscar77]

And I realize we are all trying to look at this with logic when there is none................but....................

Why would the Dealer have to keep the firearm during the wait period ?
I don't think they do............ why would they?

The use of their "books" and background check submission ability has nothing to do with them "owning it."
It's merely a way of documenting the transfer.

[ray1970]

Is this only for private party transfers ? I can?t keep up with all the bullshit.

All firearm purchases. Find something you like and expect to return to the place of purchase three days or more later to pick it up.

Pretty much a pain for most of us but imagine that person who realizes their psychotic ex just might kill them and they need to acquire a firearm to protest themselves and they have to hope they don?t get murdered before the waiting period is up.

[ray1970]

And I realize we are all trying to look at this with logic when there is none................but....................

Why would the Dealer have to keep the firearm during the wait period ?
I don't think they do............ why would they?

The use of their "books" and background check submission ability has nothing to do with them "owning it."
It's merely a way of documenting the transfer.



The book is just a log of firearms acquired by and disposed of by the the FFL. Entering a firearm into the book essentially shows that they as the FFL took possession of said firearm.

Now, the difference between taking possession of something and owning something is probably too complex for someone like me to figure out.

[KevDen2005]

There's a waiting period now? Jesus! Once the best state in the US.

[encorehunter]

I probably won't be purchasing out of town anymore due to this. Having to drive 100+ miles a second time each way makes it much more unrealistic. Passing this law hurts the environment, me having to burn that much more diesel with the extra trips.

[Great-Kazoo]

And I realize we are all trying to look at this with logic when there is none................but....................

Why would the Dealer have to keep the firearm during the wait period ?
I don't think they do............ why would they?

The use of their "books" and background check submission ability has nothing to do with them "owning it."
It's merely a way of documenting the transfer.

Depends on the FFL. Based on what i read in the law. I suspect you're going to see less ffl's willing to do private transfers. I'd follow the DADT policy, if still residing in co.

[Oscar77]

Again............... I'm not happy with this either and YES, Colorado has been circling the drain for a decade now and this is the latest example..................

There is no need for the Dealer to keep or "possess" the firearm during the 3 day wait.

Day 1: Joe is selling a gun. Bob wants to buy it. DD guns is doing the transfer. DD gets all the information and money (transfer fee) up front. Everyone goes their merry way.

Day 3: Everyone meets again. Assuming Bob passed his background..... he gets the gun. Joe gets the money. It's at this point if DD guns wants or needs to "possess" the gun they do. In that 2 minutes where they verify AGAIN they have the serial etc correct, they "possess" it. It's then they "put it in their books" to use your terminology.

No unnecessary "possessing" -storing- of the gun by the FFL.
Bob fails his background? No worries, he never had the gun.
Somebody no shows? It's their money they lost and DD guns is out nothing.
Joe doesn't get paid until he hands over the gun............ so it's not like he can take the money, keep the gun and run.

Lets not over complicate this........................ and if Dealers do it the way I've said.......... for them it's no different than now.

[ray1970]

Again............... I'm not happy with this either and YES, Colorado has been circling the drain for a decade now and this is the latest example..................

There is no need for the Dealer to keep or "possess" the firearm during the 3 day wait.

Day 1: Joe is selling a gun. Bob wants to buy it. DD guns is doing the transfer. DD gets all the information and money (transfer fee) up front. Everyone goes their merry way.

Day 3: Everyone meets again. Assuming Bob passed his background..... he gets the gun. Joe gets the money. It's at this point if DD guns wants or needs to "possess" the gun they do. In that 2 minutes where they verify AGAIN they have the serial etc correct, they "possess" it. It's then they "put it in their books" to use your terminology.

No unnecessary "possessing" -storing- of the gun by the FFL.
Bob fails his background? No worries, he never had the gun.
Somebody no shows? It's their money they lost and DD guns is out nothing.
Joe doesn't get paid until he hands over the gun............ so it's not like he can take the money, keep the gun and run.

Lets not over complicate this........................ and if Dealers do it the way I've said.......... for them it's no different than now.

Not being argumentative. Just trying to better educate myself.

Can the FFL submit the 4473 for approval without filling out the firearm related information?

I?ve tried to expedite the process in some purchases in the past by trying to get my background check done prior to meeting up with a seller and was always told they couldn?t do that for me.

[ray1970]

I probably won't be purchasing out of town anymore due to this. Having to drive 100+ miles a second time each way makes it much more unrealistic. Passing this law hurts the environment, me having to burn that much more diesel with the extra trips.

Oh, don?t worry. There are plans in the works to help you out with that dilemma by eliminating internal combustion vehicles. You?ll get to zip around in your electric vehicle before you know it.

[asystejs]

If you have an inbound transfer (Internet purchase) can you go in and do the background check
3+ days before the item arrives at the FFL ?

[Gunner]

I probably won?t buy much anymore. Unless I really want it. No more horse trading. I?d really imagine that FFL fees with probably double since they now have to store the firearm for 3 days.

Which all of this sucks because we know this is what the anti gun really want. They want people to stop buying all together because of the inconvenience and really they?re probably going to win that.


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[O2HeN2]

My prediction is that CSSA (who got rid of the 21 year old limit, NOT RMGO despite all reports) will file on October 1st [the day it goes into effect] and that it will have a stay issued against it almost immediately.

...and then all the talking heads will wail about it not being implemented...

O2

Ps. Yhea, not saying that it should come down to this, but that's what I think is going to happen.

[kidicarus13]

With the number of gun shop employees on this forum, I'd be interested to know what their shops have planned in 25 days.

[O2HeN2]

With the number of gun shop employees on this forum, I'd be interested to know what their shops have planned in 25 days.

I can't see any shop having more than a dozen person-to-person transfers "In flight" at any point in time. In other words, no problem.

As for the guns in stock they have to hold onto, well, they're in stock so they have storage for them already.

O2

[Great-Kazoo]

If you have an inbound transfer (Internet purchase) can you go in and do the background check
3+ days before the item arrives at the FFL ?

A legit ffl will not do a bgc till they've entered the transferred firearm into their bound book, among other reasons.

[O2HeN2]

Plus, you now have to fill out the "delayed transfer" part of the 4473 since the BGC was not done the same day as you picked up the firearm.

...that's more chances to mess up an already overly complex (and getting more complex) form to make ATF witch hunts more fruitful.

O2

[Clint45]

I recently heard that some Colorado FFLs recently significantly increased the fee for private party transfers... like $75... plus an extra $10 for any additional firearm.

[kidicarus13]

I recently heard that some Colorado FFLs recently significantly increased the fee for private party transfers... like $75... plus an extra $10 for any additional firearm.One of the popular local shops told me their insurance has skyrocketed due to Colorado's constant anti-gun legislation, and some of these costs are being recouped through increased transfer fees.

True or not, I don't know.

[Gunner]

Action firearms in castle rock has stayed the same $35 and some change. Seems reasonable given the climate. We will see if they raise it or not.


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[hollohas]

I think private party transfer BGC compliance is going to decrease.

[whitewalrus]

I have already found it easier to consign things than to attempt to sell them via private party transfers.

Likely with this it will be even more so.


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[Great-Kazoo]

I think private party transfer BGC compliance is going to decrease.

More than it possibly does, now?

[hollohas]

More than it possibly does, now?Uh-huh

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[Doc45]

I have already found it easier to consign things than to attempt to sell them via private party transfers.

Likely with this it will be even more so.


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I've found consignment fees at shops have jumped considerably. Most seem to be 20-25%, I had an issue with 15%, though I'm a grumpy old fart and liked it when the fee was only 10%. I have a pistol that I've been trying to sell for awhile, I could drop it 20% I guess to see if it would move before the waiting period starts but may just leave it in the back of the safe.

This suck of this state is expanding exponentially. If my family/grandkids weren't here I'd move.

[theGinsue]

This suck of this state is expanding exponentially. If my family/grandkids weren't here I'd move.

This is exactly why I'm still here. If there was a way I could convince them to move with me I'd be putting my house on the market today.

I have to have my grandkid fix a few times a month minimum.


As to the upcoming 3-day wait period requirement... I just ordered 5 lowers which should hold me off through any builds I want to make for many years to come. I need to acquire LPK's and full upper and stock parts before CO decides to ban that stuff too (we all know it's coming).


ETA: Went to the FFL the lowers are being sent to (Springs Armory) and let them know of the incoming shipment for me. They were very pleasant and told me they'd give me a call once the items arrived so I could do the BGC and get the items (they even indicated that right now the BGC's are coming back quickly). I verified with them that they still just charge $26 for the first item for veterans, plus $5 for each additional item. Would I prefer it if it were a flat $26 fee for any/all items? Sure, but given what you folks are telling me so many other places are now charging I think I'm getting off cheap.

[bellavite1]

We at silverbullet charge $40 ($25 if you are a member).

[kidicarus13]

We at silverbullet charge $40 ($25 if you are a member).So come Oct 1, it will still be $40($25)? And you'll be holding/storing the transfered firearm for 3+ days?

[Great-Kazoo]

This is exactly why I'm still here. If there was a way I could convince them to move with me I'd be putting my house on the market today.

I have to have my grandkid fix a few times a month minimum.


As to the upcoming 3-day wait period requirement... I just ordered 5 lowers which should hold me off through any builds I want to make for many years to come. I need to acquire LPK's and full upper and stock parts before CO decides to ban that stuff too (we all know it's coming).


Who ya gonna call!

[Aloha_Shooter]

Colorado is rapidly overcoming my 2A-based objections to moving back to Hawaii. If I have to live in an objectively anti-2A state (despite a rather protective state constitution), I may as well be in an anti-2A state where I can pick a fresh papaya or mango off the tree for breakfast.

[bellavite1]

So come Oct 1, it will still be $40($25)? And you'll be holding/storing the transfered firearm for 3+ days?

Doesn't sound like we have a choice, but THAT is above my paygrade.

[3beansalad]

Day 1: Joe is selling a gun. Bob wants to buy it. DD guns is doing the transfer. DD gets all the information and money (transfer fee) up front. Everyone goes their merry way.

Day 3: Everyone meets again. Assuming Bob passed his background..... he gets the gun. Joe gets the money. It's at this point if DD guns wants or needs to "possess" the gun they do. In that 2 minutes where they verify AGAIN they have the serial etc correct, they "possess" it. It's then they "put it in their books" to use your terminology.

No unnecessary "possessing" -storing- of the gun by the FFL.
Bob fails his background? No worries, he never had the gun.
Somebody no shows? It's their money they lost and DD guns is out nothing.
Joe doesn't get paid until he hands over the gun............ so it's not like he can take the money, keep the gun and run.



Either way, the state/ fed now has a record of a firearm they might not have known about previously. It's a win win for them.
Plus they know who is actively trying to acquire firearms, and who hasn't lost them in a boating accident.

[kidicarus13]

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[kidicarus13]

Maybe a question for FFLs: Involving a private party transfer... Will the seller need to appear twice to complete the transaction or can the seller drop their firearm off at the FFL (effectively transferring ownership to the FFL), collect the buyer's money, and then only the buyer needs to return to the FFL 3+ days after to take possession of the firearm?

[O2HeN2]

The seller transfers the gun to the gun store. At that point the seller no longer owns the firearm.

The buyer must fill out the 4473 before the background check can begin. Three days later the buyer returns to pick up the firearm.

O2

[kidicarus13]

So, as long as the buyer is willing to hand over their $$$ before taking possession of the firearm, not much will be different for the seller post 09/30/2023.

[Great-Kazoo]

So, as long as the buyer is willing to hand over their $$$ before taking possession of the firearm, not much will be different for the seller post 09/30/2023.

Except, how much of an increase for transfers the ffl will charge.

[asystejs]

So, as long as the buyer is willing to hand over their $$$ before taking possession of the firearm, not much will be different for the seller post 09/30/2023.

The seller won't ship to your local FFL until they have the money.
So you have a week or more delay just getting the item to the local FFL.
The purchase date should start the wait period.

[kidicarus13]

The seller won't ship to your local FFL until they have the money.
So you have a week or more delay just getting the item to the local FFL.
The purchase date should start the wait period.Person-to-person at an FFL. I am selling to you at a shop in Lakewood.

[mb504]

The purchase date should start the wait period.

The law states that which ever is later:




(I) THREE DAYS AFTER A LICENSED GUN DEALER HAS INITIATED A BACKGROUND CHECK OF THE PURCHASER THAT IS REQUIRED PURSUANT TO STATE OR FEDERAL LAW; OR
(II) THE SELLER HAS OBTAINED APPROVAL FOR THE FIREARM TRANSFER FROM THE BUREAU AFTER IT HAS COMPLETED ANY BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIRED BY STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.

[JohnnyDrama]

Or, in a different line of work....

Rat 1: Yo Dawg, I need a piece. I had to toss that last one after that shooting.

Rat 2: No prob. I got one right here. You got some money?

Just like others have said. Things won't really change.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Colorado is rapidly overcoming my 2A-based objections to moving back to Hawaii. If I have to live in an objectively anti-2A state (despite a rather protective state constitution), I may as well be in an anti-2A state where I can pick a fresh papaya or mango off the tree for breakfast.

Wife’s job is looking to maybe go sideways. Options are CA, HI, and PacNW. I’d have to say, CA may be better than CO in a matter of months…

[Aloha_Shooter]

Wife’s job is looking to maybe go sideways. Options are CA, HI, and PacNW. I’d have to say, CA may be better than CO in a matter of months…

No way. CA has the most screwed up economy in the nation (highest GDP AND the highest debt) and a truly asinine legal structure. God forbid you give your children ibuprofen for some body aches or headaches to during school but the school can and will refer your child for counseling and possible medical procedures for "gender dysphoria" without the parents even being notified -- and may refer the case to child protective services if the parent(s) object. As bad as CO is getting, there is absolutely no way CA is going to be any better while Newsom is governor of the legislative bodies have woke majorities.

[funkymonkey1111]

for those that want a gun before the law starts--CBI was approx 90 minutes tonight. With Tanner tomorrow, prepare to wait--buy early if you can

[TEAMRICO]

There was an increase in customers in all the shops I hit up in the Springs area. I waited 40 minutes to get my call back for pick up.
Que said 12 minutes when he showed me but I had errands.

[beast556]

Wait was only 10min when I did my backround check.

[Great-Kazoo]

Wife’s job is looking to maybe go sideways. Options are CA, HI, and PacNW. I’d have to say, CA may be better than CO in a matter of months…


No way. CA has the most screwed up economy in the nation (highest GDP AND the highest debt) and a truly asinine legal structure. God forbid you give your children ibuprofen for some body aches or headaches to during school but the school can and will refer your child for counseling and possible medical procedures for "gender dysphoria" without the parents even being notified -- and may refer the case to child protective services if the parent(s) object. As bad as CO is getting, there is absolutely no way CA is going to be any better while Newsom is governor of the legislative bodies have woke majorities.



You forgot the 11% tax on ammo & guns, waiting period for ammo (permit required). Once you register a vehicle on CA, the fees / taxes NEVER go done, no matter how old it is. Their disposal fees for tires 2x Co, atm. If you want to paint your home, GFL, as a lot of good, weather resistant paints are BANNED in CA. Daughter's last visit to AZ , buying paint for the house was on her to do list. Wood burning stoves [ROFL2] not happening, gas powered garden tools (mowers, string trimmers, etc) BANNED!. All those legal guns you own now, not grandfathering when relocating to CA. There's taxes, upon taxes they have in place.

CA is a beautiful place to visit, the kid lives outside Sequoia Nat'l Park, great area. Till you go in to larger towns, then the fuktardary really shows itself.

[.455_Hunter]

For what it's worth, RMGO's lawsuit is supposedly being filed tomorrow noonish, as soon as their plaintiff's morning BCG comes back approved and the dealer indicates the 3 day waiting period is in effect. This provides the "standing" necessary for legal proceedings to begin, and was why the earlier case was dismissed and/or withdrawn in August.

[O2HeN2]

This provides the "standing" necessary for legal proceedings to begin...
Gotta love the legal system: The patient needs to die before we can begin trying to save them.

O2

[FoxtArt]

Laws are fiction when you have enough of them.

There's always some way to rationalize a dismissal if a judge really doesn't like a case. All of our pro 2A rulings are only from 2A favorable judges.

Once anti-2A judges issue pro-2A rulings because of stare decisis / constitution, we'd have a semblance of a legal system. Never will happen...

[Doc45]

Assuming this stupid law stands will it mean sellers using consignment options more? For myself being limited to weekend meet ups I see that option as really the best option or extending out a week from initial meet up to completing the sale.

Thoughts?

[def90]

Assuming this stupid law stands will it mean sellers using consignment options more? For myself being limited to weekend meet ups I see that option as really the best option or extending out a week from initial meet up to completing the sale.

Thoughts?

I don't know, it sounds like nothing has changed on the sellers end. You show up at FFL with buyer, buyer hands over money, you go home, buyer waits 3 days. If buyer fails I'm guessing they are shit out of luck.

[Gunner]

Sellers might just have to sacrifice a further drive to get the deal done since the buyer has to go two times.


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[Doc45]

Well I for one wouldn’t take the money until I know the buyer is approved-never did it under the old system. Too many variables, the denial isn’t always legitimate. Got a couple items I guess I’ll be taking to a shop for consignment or going to a national forum to ship, sucks as I always have preferred local sales.

[Gunner]

I didn?t read much into the laws. Was there something also that passed where FFL have to keep paperwork indefinitely?

Or just the 3 day waiting period?


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[Great-Kazoo]

Meanwhile (for the moment) in AZ. Walked in to local ffl, filled out 4473, showed my CWP, walked out with the spouses new VP-9.

[Doc45]

I just realized the approval/denial/delay still comes back in the the same time frame as prior to the law change so no reason not to accept payment at original meet up. This thing is so fucked up, really hope the filing is successful-I know, preaching to the choir.

[Gunner]

Guess I didn?t think of that. So, the approval or deny comes back within the normal time frame, the shop hangs onto it for 3 days, buyer then goes to pick it up once they have cooled down?.


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[O2HeN2]

"A right delayed is a right denied."

- Probably a quote from from some racist, white, privileged person who the left hates.

O2

[TEAMRICO]

I still fail to see what form or oversight other than the approved 4473 is there that shows proof that the shop held it for you for three days.
I know democrats don?t give a shit if things makes sense or not but what is the proof they held it for three days?
If you came back approved what is there to say you left and then came back three days later? Who is overseeing this procedure?

[Doc45]

Guess I didn?t think of that. So, the approval or deny comes back within the normal time frame, the shop hangs onto it for 3 days, buyer then goes to pick it up once they have cooled down?.


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Yup, don’t know about cooling down but at least when 3 days go by.

[bellavite1]

Actual transfer date on the paperwork:
Buyer will have to re-certify and sign on the day they pick up their item.

[funkymonkey1111]

I still fail to see what form or oversight other than the approved 4473 is there that shows proof that the shop held it for you for three days.
I know democrats don?t give a shit if things makes sense or not but what is the proof they held it for three days?
If you came back approved what is there to say you left and then came back three days later? Who is overseeing this procedure?

because the shop will record when the submission is made and also when the transfer occurs

[funkymonkey1111]

I didn?t read much into the laws. Was there something also that passed where FFL have to keep paperwork indefinitely?

Or just the 3 day waiting period?


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indefinite retention of 4473s has nothing to do with these new colorado laws.

[3beansalad]

It appears the RMGO lawsuit has gone nowhere in the last two weeks. And the NRA isn't doing anything either (surprise surprise.) Springs Armory increased their private party transfer cost, and added the note below.

"*PLEASE NOTE* As of October 1st, 2023 All background checks for firearms will be put into a 3 DAY DELAY (Thank your local government for that lovely change). This will require that ALL private party transferers will have to leave the firearm at our facility, which means if the buyer (person taking posession of the firearm) fails the background check, the seller (transferer) will be legally required to pay for and pass a background check for the firearm to be released back to the seller." (https://www.springsarmory.com/private-party-transfers.html)

I have asked a few attorneys, gun shop owners and law enforcement officials about the return of firearms following a 'red flag'. No one has been willing to give me a definitive answer, but I can see the same thing happening. And then you can possibly be seen as adjudicated mentally defective by being red flagged. (4473: 21: g.)

[Doc45]

Just did a private transfer yesterday. We knew within 5 minutes that the buyer was approved, the ffl told him it will be available after 3:30p Tuesday. I had to sign a form stating I was turning the firearm over to the ffl.

[TEAMRICO]

Is it just 3 days or 72 hours from the time of approval.
Buy the firearm at 10:00am Monday and come back just three days later or the clock starts at 10:00am for the 72 hours?
My buddy in CA says you cannot step into the shop to pick up your gun even 1 minute before the pick up time.

[Doc45]

Is it just 3 days or 72 hours from the time of approval.
Buy the firearm at 10:00am Monday and come back just three days later or the clock starts at 10:00am for the 72 hours?
My buddy in CA says you cannot step into the shop to pick up your gun even 1 minute before the pick up time.

Yes, 3 days from the day/time cbi approves.

[fright88]

Depends on where you go I suppose. Bass Pro doesn't start the count till midnight the day you pass. So if you go in Monday right when they open and pass the waiting period doesn't start till midnight and you can't pick up till Friday when they open.

[Mercula]

Im seeing this with Cabelas right now. Bought something Friday at 4pm. They said I will get a call later today or tomorrow. Wtf , even Cali does hours and time stamps.

[Doc45]

My experience is limited to Damage Factory and Centennial Gun Club-both 3 days from the day/time of approval.

[powerstroke79]

CBI was down this afternoon. So hoping to be able to pick up Friday has been bumped to Monday. (The FFL I prefer to use is closed Weekends).

[kidicarus13]

On my one transfer post law, I had the buyer's money in hand when I met them at the FFL. Buyer doesn't pass? Don't care.

[BladesNBarrels]

On my one transfer post law, I had the buyer's money in hand when I met them at the FFL. Buyer doesn't pass? Don't care.

What happens to the firearm?
Is it now the FFL's to sell and the buyer is just out the money?
I think Doc45's experience that the transfer is already approved and the FFL is holding the firearm for 3 days is what I would prefer as a buyer.

[SouthPaw]

What happens to the firearm?
Is it now the FFL's to sell and the buyer is just out the money?
I think Doc45's experience that the transfer is already approved and the FFL is holding the firearm for 3 days is what I would prefer as a buyer.

The firearm remains with the FFL. I believe FFL's have up to two days to enter the firearm into their A&D book so if they have not officially recorded it as an acquisition, the firearm still belongs to the seller. A call to the seller to come pick up their firearm, and what the two parties workout between each other money wise, the FFL is not involved.

This happened to me on a private sale (pre more BS). I had a feeling the guy was not going to pass after he asked to do a parking lot deal and then began telling me he was adopted, so his last name is weird etc. He finally filled out the BGC, 40 min later, got a call from the FFL he did not pass. We both met back the shop, picked up my gun, and I gave his money back. Not sure I want to keep someone's money that is trying to buy a gun, that can't legally own one [LOL]

[TEAMRICO]

Soooo this sounds like an another well thought out law with clear guidelines of when the three days starts and ends as well as covering all scenarios between seller, FFL and buyer.

[.455_Hunter]

Soooo this sounds like an another well thought out law with clear guidelines of when the three days starts and ends as well as covering all scenarios between seller, FFL and buyer.


You mean that wasn't all covered in the talking points directive provided to the legislators by the Mom's Who Need More Action?

[Erni]

Soooo this sounds like an another well thought out law with clear guidelines of when the three days starts and ends as well as covering all scenarios between seller, FFL and buyer.

Chaos and inconvenience is the point.

[theGinsue]

Soooo this sounds like an another well thought out law with clear guidelines of when the three days starts and ends as well as covering all scenarios between seller, FFL and buyer.


Chaos and inconvenience is the point.

Agreed. Those behind he law don't give a rats ass whether or not the process works for seller, buyers or FFL's so long as firearms transfers are delayed by 3 days. If they thought they could have gotten away with a 5 or even 10 day waiting period, they would have pursued that instead. It's all about making firearm possession and transfer as inconvenient as possible. Just another stone on the path to outright bans.

[TEAMRICO]

Moms Who Need More Action!
That got me laughing.

[Hummer]

Moms Who Need More Action!
That got me laughing.

You beat me to it!

[Doc45]

Just picked up an item I did the cbi on Monday at 6:30p. Had to wait until 6:30p today, Thursday, to sign again and take it home.

[sneakerd]

It's actually not that big of a deal.

[TEAMRICO]

I think it is.
Now if I’m traveling to say Gunnison or through Denver and I’d like to make a purchase this adds to the issue of added trips or just passing on the sale.
I have already bought guns. I have an immaculate record. What does this waiting period accomplish?

[Great-Kazoo]

It's actually not that big of a deal.

If that's the way some will feel about it. Why not make it a 5 or 10 day waiting period? That's how the anti crowd works. Well, there's no complaints, lets extend it another 3 days and see what happens.

[O2HeN2]

What does this waiting period accomplish?

Simple. Disincentive.

O2

[.455_Hunter]

It's actually not that big of a deal.


Yeah, if the dealer and the buyer are both local to each other, it's not that big of a deal (excluding the infringement issue). However, I have bought several firearms around the state that I discovered while away from home. Such transactions now would likely be cost prohibitive and probably not completed. I suspect some previously successful LGS in transient areas will now go out of business when having to survive solely on local business.

The whole thing checks a few boxes- continue to expand logisitcal barriers for legal firearms transactions, reduce number of dealers, increase the pariah factor of gun owners.

[BPTactical]

It's actually not that big of a deal.

Fuck that shit, what an apathetic attitude.
“It’s actually not that big of a deal” is exactly why we are losing our rights and our country.

[BushMasterBoy]

We got to get rid of Polis. Boebert needs to go, too. If we get too deep in Ukraine & Taiwan, the internal security provided by the military will be greatly diminished. Our national security is only as good as our personal security.

[beast556]

It's actually not that big of a deal.

I really hope your not being serious.

[eddiememphis]

It's actually not that big of a deal.

On it's own, maybe not.

Piled on top of all the other "no big deals", it is a part of the constant erosion of our rights.

Think of the Grand Canyon. One grain at a time resulted in a chasm a mile deep.

Like water, leftists are relentless.

That is why it is so important to stop these "no big deals" before they culminate into a very big deal.

[def90]

I think it is.
Now if I?m traveling to say Gunnison or through Denver and I?d like to make a purchase this adds to the issue of added trips or just passing on the sale.
I have already bought guns. I have an immaculate record. What does this waiting period accomplish?

What does it accomplish? You?ve basically just stated that it creates a dilemma of added trips or just passing on the sale. Most people will likely pass on the sale if it?s not convenient. Sounds like the law is working as intended.

[glock74]

To me, it’s s inconvenient to go to the gun store twice when I can just get a gun while I’m m there. The three day waiting periods are crap.

[Sawin]

To me, it’s s inconvenient to go to the gun store twice when I can just get a gun while I’m m there. The three day waiting periods are crap.

or at least allow folks to purchase a gun "remotely" and then come in with ID after the 3 day waiting/BGC is complete to pick it up....

[MED]

Just like the background check, concealed carry holders should be exempt from this nonsense. It's just more proof that their intent is hostile because they refuse to put that exemption in the law.

[copfish]

Pretty much kills gun shows.

[BPTactical]

Pretty much kills gun shows.

But it’s really not that big of a deal…

[copfish]

True, but waiting three days for jerky or jewelry is a pain...

[TRnCO]

just a bunch of hogwash, feel good laws that do nothing to slow crime, stop crime, prevent crime, in anyway shape or form.

[.455_Hunter]

So how does this law impact buying a long gun out of state, in say South Dakota or Wyoming? Previously, it was the same as here- pass BCG (15 minutes), cash and carry. Does that dealer now have to play the waiting game for your purchase?

[VolksDragon]

So how does this law impact buying a long gun out of state, in say South Dakota or Wyoming? Previously, it was the same as here- pass BCG (15 minutes), cash and carry. Does that dealer now have to play the waiting game for your purchase?

I wondered about this too. I DO love me some private party sales in Wyoming, but haven't yet made an FFL purchase there.

[ray1970]

I wasn?t here in Colorado in the 1990?s but didn?t you guys have to deal with the waiting period for handguns during the Brady act?

[.455_Hunter]

I wasn?t here in Colorado in the 1990?s but didn?t you guys have to deal with the waiting period for handguns during the Brady act?

Nope.

[ray1970]

Nope.

Nice. We had the five day waiting period for handguns in Texas. The workaround for it was that if you had your carry permit then the waiting period did not apply to you.

[beast556]

So how does this law impact buying a long gun out of state, in say South Dakota or Wyoming? Previously, it was the same as here- pass BCG (15 minutes), cash and carry. Does that dealer now have to play the waiting game for your purchase?

You will have to wait 3 days still. Went to sportsmans wharehouse and the had a sign up saying all CO gun sales will have a 3 day waiting period. Went to the gun shop next to menards and they are gonna do sales still to CO residents but he said if it becomes to much of a pain in the ass they are not gonna sell to CO residents anymore.

[funkymonkey1111]

So how does this law impact buying a long gun out of state, in say South Dakota or Wyoming? Previously, it was the same as here- pass BCG (15 minutes), cash and carry. Does that dealer now have to play the waiting game for your purchase?

A sale is governed by the state of your residence, so yes, Colo law on waits and capacity restrictions should be followed. Any big box will follow that. Will Cletus' gun store in Sheridan follow that? Who knows. Will a private party follow that? Doubtful

[VolksDragon]

You will have to wait 3 days still. Went to sportsmans wharehouse and the had a sign up saying all CO gun sales will have a 3 day waiting period. Went to the gun shop next to menards and they are gonna do sales still to CO residents but he said if it becomes to much of a pain in the ass they are not gonna sell to CO residents anymore.

Lame.

This obviously isn't the end of the world for sales conducted locally where making two trips isn't a problem, but for those rare and unique guns for sale across the state and the region, it presents quite a pain in my ass.

On an aside, it DOES tend to curb my spontaneous gun purchasing now that I can't meet you heathens at the Home Depot like the good old days, AND I can't pick it up same day once the BGC clears. My wife has advised I'm being picky and unreasonable, and claims this will benefit my wallet. Sigh.

I'm constantly watching private party sales north of the border, I much prefer those transactions.

[kidicarus13]

it DOES tend to curb my spontaneous gun purchasing now that I can't meet you heathens at the Home Depot like the good old days

Don't be a quitter.

[newracer]

Because of this law and the background check law I will likely never purchase another firearm from a private seller. Since most of the good deal are in the Denver metro area it's just too much of a hassle for me.

[VolksDragon]

Don't be a quitter.

Lol...you and RonMexico might as well be my sidepiece hustles of the day, except it was Chili's. :)

[lpgasman]

Some places start the 72 hour period at the time of approval of 4473, others start 72hrs the next business day. So if you buy it today at 9:00am that whole day is wasted.

[rtr]

The law states “ (1)(a) ITISUNLAWFULFORANYPERSON WHO SELLS A FIREARM, INCLUDING A LICENSED GUN DEALER AS DEFINED IN SECTION18-12-506 (6), TODELIVERTHEFIREARMTOTHEPURCHASERUNTIL
THE LATER IN TIME OCCURS:
(I) THREE DAYS AFTER A LICENSED GUN DEALER HAS INITIATED A BACKGROUND CHECK OF THE PURCHASER THAT IS REQUIRED PURSUANT TO STATE OR FEDERAL LAW; OR
(II) THE SELLER HAS OBTAINED APPROVAL FOR THE FIREARM TRANSFER FROM THE BUREAU AFTER IT HAS COMPLETED ANY BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIRED BY STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.
(b) A PERSONWHOVIOLATESTHISSUBSECTION(1) COMMITSACIVIL”

https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/2023a_1219_signed.pdf

I read this to mean that a dealer can transfer the firearm 72 hours after the BGC is approved. I am hearing though that some/many dealers are telling people that the day the purchase is made (and BGC is completed) is “day 0” (which mathematically isn’t a thing) and allowing people to pickup 72 hours +next day (making the effecting waiting period ~4 days +/- a few hours). I suspect dealers are doing this because they don’t want to track when 72 hours precisely has elapsed, curious of anyone can confirm or deny my assertions.

[XJ]

The average transfer time for criminals is just a few seconds.

[funkymonkey1111]

The law states “ (1)(a) ITISUNLAWFULFORANYPERSON WHO SELLS A FIREARM, INCLUDING A LICENSED GUN DEALER AS DEFINED IN SECTION18-12-506 (6), TODELIVERTHEFIREARMTOTHEPURCHASERUNTIL
THE LATER IN TIME OCCURS:
(I) THREE DAYS AFTER A LICENSED GUN DEALER HAS INITIATED A BACKGROUND CHECK OF THE PURCHASER THAT IS REQUIRED PURSUANT TO STATE OR FEDERAL LAW; OR
(II) THE SELLER HAS OBTAINED APPROVAL FOR THE FIREARM TRANSFER FROM THE BUREAU AFTER IT HAS COMPLETED ANY BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIRED BY STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.
(b) A PERSONWHOVIOLATESTHISSUBSECTION(1) COMMITSACIVIL”

https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/2023a_1219_signed.pdf

I read this to mean that a dealer can transfer the firearm 72 hours after the BGC is approved. I am hearing though that some/many dealers are telling people that the day the purchase is made (and BGC is completed) is “day 0” (which mathematically isn’t a thing) and allowing people to pickup 72 hours +next day (making the effecting waiting period ~4 days +/- a few hours). I suspect dealers are doing this because they don’t want to track when 72 hours precisely has elapsed, curious of anyone can confirm or deny my assertions.

Bass Pro/Cabela's/Sportsman's counts this way. Day of purchase isn't counted. Then three full days, then transfer the following day

[Skully]

Bass Pro/Cabela's/Sportsman's counts this way. Day of purchase isn't counted. Then three full days, then transfer the following day

Bass Pro / Cabela's sometimes go beyond 3 days past day 0, they have a scheduling software and they only schedule so many in an hour each day. I bought a gun on Thursday and passed the background in 10 minutes of it being submitted, but the only time available for pick up in their scheduling software was the follow week on a wed at 9:20. So I had a DeFacto 6 day wait. [facepalm]


......if it wasn't for the fact they were the only ones in town that had what I was looking for on hand / in stock, instead of having to order from a dealer I would have never bought from them.

[zimagold]

Sportsman?s in Loveland is the same. 3 business days after the day of purchase. Not 72hrs after BGC.


Edit: Monday purchase = Friday pickup

[funkymonkey1111]

Bass Pro / Cabela's sometimes go beyond 3 days past day 0, they have a scheduling software and they only schedule so many in an hour each day. I bought a gun on Thursday and passed the background in 10 minutes of it being submitted, but the only time available for pick up in their scheduling software was the follow week on a wed at 9:20. So I had a DeFacto 6 day wait. [facepalm]


......if it wasn't for the fact they were the only ones in town that had what I was looking for on hand / in stock, instead of having to order from a dealer I would have never bought from them.

is that at the Bass Pro in Denver?

[Skully]

is that at the Bass Pro in Denver?


Cabela's in Thornton........... but same policy / company.

[DDT951]

What does it accomplish? You?ve basically just stated that it creates a dilemma of added trips or just passing on the sale. Most people will likely pass on the sale if it?s not convenient. Sounds like the law is working as intended.

It makes me shoot any of the other firearms I may or may not own for 3 days. Of course with having NFA items, the government already knows about them...

From a "crime" standpoint it does nothing.

From an inconvenience standpoint to help prevent people from buying legal firearms, it might do a little...

[O2HeN2]

Just some trivia - I recently discovered that when a suppressor finally gets out of jail you don't have to wait another three days on top of your nine months.

O2

[Doc45]

I’ve done three purchases/transfers at three different shops since this dumb ass law went into effect. All started the clock on the same day I did the paperwork-filled out on Wednesday (cbi clearance came back in about 5 minutes), picked up the item on Saturday.

[O2HeN2]

My guess is that most gun shops will do he 72 hour thing.

The big box stores three full days (or more) for simplicity.

YMMV, this is just my guess.

O2

[BPTactical]

The average transfer time for criminals is just a few seconds.



This cannot be stated enough

[theGinsue]

The average transfer time for criminals is just a few seconds.


This cannot be stated enough


Quoted for truth. But then we all know that these laws aren't actually about solving issues with crime now don't we?!

[Great-Kazoo]

Quoted for truth. But then we all know that these laws aren't actually about solving issues with crime now don't we?!

Especially when you have gun owners, some members here. Who didn't feel the 3 day wait was an inconvenience for them and "were ok with it"

[Clint45]

Quoted for truth. But then we all know that these laws aren't actually about solving issues with crime now don't we?!

I can sort of understand the rationale behind cracking down on private party sales, because all the wealthy people moving here from California and Illinois didn't want "just anyone" to be able to buy a gun in a parking lot from a stranger they met online... and back when I occasionally sold on armslist I got a LOT of messages from obvious dirtbags I didn't even bother responding to. But the law as written says that even if you've known someone for years and simply want to trade hunting rifles, you're both expected to find an FFL willing to do private party transfers, both pay a fee, both submit a background check (even if you both have a valid CCW), and now submit to a "waiting period" (in other states this was actually referred to as a "cooling off period").

It seems as if they're trying to make the process as inconvenient as possible, and I expect in the near future they'll try to add even more laws and restrictions.

[def90]

Anybody have any idea how CMP Garands are affected by this new law?

[Linkless]

My first firearm that I had to wait the three days for was a barelled action that I had ordered 3 months prior. Tell me how that makes sense.

[glock74]

I just filled the paperwork out for a gun today. They make everyone wait 4 days, so I can’t pick up my gun until Wednesday.

[Gunner]

I just filled the paperwork out for a gun today. They make everyone wait 4 days, so I can?t pick up my gun until Wednesday.

Who was that? Want to know who to avoid


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[kidicarus13]

I went through a home-based FFL, and he made me wait in his house until my BGC came back! ...and then 3 days.

[Gunner]

I went through a home-based FFL, and he made me wait in his house until my BGC came back! ...and then 3 days.

AOL.com Joe [emoji23]


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[glock74]

Who was that? Want to know who to avoid


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The Gun Room

[drew890]

Purchased a new CZ at Scheels on Friday afternoon and was told it could be picked up on Tuesday at 930am.
Christmas Day mixed into my waiting.

[scratchy]

I used Broomfield pawn. Filled out the 4473 (new weirdies added) Paid my fees, went home, and came back 72 hours later. Painless but monumentally stupid.

[DDT951]

I bought it me. They wrote down the time of submittal in their book. They gave me a time to the minute three days later after which I could pick it up.

I am just so glad I had three days to cool off. I made all the difference in the world.

Oh wait. I went shooting a different pistol that afternoon. Maybe three days didn?t help because I had just went shooting with a different pistol?

But think about it, the three day cool off period worked! I didn?t commit any crime with the new pistol because I cooled off. So that is proof the cool off period worked. I didn?t commit a crime ergo the wait period is proven to work?

(Hopefully people have the sarcasm font installed on their browser)

[Aloha_Shooter]

Anybody have any idea how CMP Garands are affected by this new law?

Since the CMP ships directly to your home, they can just hold the gun for shipping for 72 hours. I don't know if they do but that's the easiest way for them to comply with this.

[TEAMRICO]

Stopped at a Cabela?s just over the border of CA into NV and I asked about the process of buying a rifle and he said they are beholden to CO rules and would hold the firearm for the 3 days.
I did notice all their ammo was sold out of the popular calibers. Must be a lot of out of state visitors!
These damn laws follow you.

[def90]

Since the CMP ships directly to your home, they can just hold the gun for shipping for 72 hours. I don't know if they do but that's the easiest way for them to comply with this.

Thought about it a bit. These would be C&R rifles, C&R firearms are exempt from the background check in the first place right?

[Aloha_Shooter]

Thought about it a bit. These would be C&R rifles, C&R firearms are exempt from the background check in the first place right?

The CMP has an FFL and operates accordingly. They use NICS when they process your order and won't ship until it clears.

[Acetylcholine]

The process sucks for home based FFL’s too. Having to text/call/email to schedule a time for the background, having space in your safe to hold the uninsured firearm for 72 hours, then scheduling another time to meet up is a headache. All for the same transfer price—garbage. Hopefully this law gets changed for the ease of both parties involved for a simple transfer.
Play the game I guess.

[Clint45]

The process sucks for home based FFL’s too. Having to text/call/email to schedule a time for the background, having space in your safe to hold the uninsured firearm for 72 hours, then scheduling another time to meet up is a headache. All for the same transfer price—garbage. Hopefully this law gets changed for the ease of both parties involved for a simple transfer.
Play the game I guess.

Now factor in driving over an hour one way for both transactions.

[OctopusHighball]

The three day waiting period actually saved me some headache last week... Not that I am advocating for it.

I am tracking an inbound shipment to a shop, whom I have recently started using because I use their range and it's close enough to be fairly convenient. Per tracking, shipment is held at Post Office for pickup on a Sunday, so I call them up shortly after opening Monday morning and ask if I can come in to do the background check. I get the typical "don't call us, we'll call you" type of response, it might be a day or two, blah blah blah. Fine, whatever, I'll wait for your call.

A couple of days go by, still no call. I check tracking, I see it was picked up early that Monday afternoon. So next day I walk into the shop.


ME: I'm here to start the background check process for this shipment you received.
THEM: I don't have an inbound gun here for you.
ME: I called Monday and here is the tracking info showing you picked it up that afternoon.
THEM: Well, yeah, that's our employee. Ummm...

So an all out search for my shipment is launched. I describe the gun in detail, the type of box it will be in, who it is coming from, here is the tracking number, here is the serial number. Finally, they find it in the "Waiting for the three days to be up" pile... Someone else had filled out a 4473 for it and they were going to give MY shipment to this other guy!

Now this was NOT a commodity firearm, it is visually distinctive, and it's value is not incidental. There is no way the other customer would have seen it without saying "That's NOT what I ordered". Shop claims they received two shipments from my sending FFL with no info on who was picking it up, so they were going to just take this guy's word for it that this was his gun.

It all gets straightened out and I finally picked it up this weekend, but man, I have had some doozy situations with the whole FFL process. Guns that end up with scratches due to mishandling while waiting for the BGC to happen, guns with significant lost pieces, guns that take weeks to get sent out, guns that take weeks to get a call saying they have arrived, guns getting delivered to the wrong address, this mix up. The list goes on.

Anyway, I'm just bitching at this point. At least something finally worked in my favor, I guess?

[theGinsue]

Glad to hear there was an upside to this law; at least one time.

I'm currently in the 3-day waiting period for a handgun I picked up from a member here this weekend (yesterday). I get to drive back up to Castle Rock to get it maybe Wednesday, or Thursday. I was going to wait until Saturday to go get it, but with the weather forecast for bad wet snow starting Friday afternoon and going all weekend, I think I'd prefer to get it out of the way earlier rather than later.

While I don't blame the FFL one bit, this whole 3-day waiting period is idiotic for a number of reasons, not the least of which is it makes zero sense for someone who already owns firearms. If I wanted to do harm to myself or others, I wouldn't go out and get another firearm to do it, I'd use what I already have. Of course, this isn't really about safety, it's about control and making acquiring firearms as painful as they possibly can for us.

[OctopusHighball]

Glad to hear there was an upside to this law; at least one time.

I'm currently in the 3-day waiting period for a handgun I picked up from a member here this weekend (yesterday). I get to drive back up to Castle Rock to get it maybe Wednesday, or Thursday. I was going to wait until Saturday to go get it, but with the weather forecast for bad wet snow starting Friday afternoon and going all weekend, I think I'd prefer to get it out of the way earlier rather than later.

While I don't blame the FFL one bit, this whole 3-day waiting period is idiotic for a number of reasons, not the least of which is it makes zero sense for someone who already owns firearms. If I wanted to do harm to myself or others, I wouldn't go out and get another firearm to do it, I'd use what I already have. Of course, this isn't really about safety, it's about control and making acquiring firearms as painful as they possibly can for us.

Agreed. The last time I picked up a firearm in early November, I was filling out the 4473 while already carrying a firearm and with a safe full at home, yet the Jewish family that was there at the same time picking out their first firearm needed to wait for three days before they could protect themselves. It was a sickening situation.

But as you point out, it's never really been about safety.

[Clint45]

this whole 3-day waiting period is idiotic for a number of reasons, not the least of which is it makes zero sense for someone who already owns firearms. If I wanted to do harm to myself or others, I wouldn't go out and get another firearm to do it, I'd use what I already have. Of course, this isn't really about safety, it's about control and making acquiring firearms as painful as they possibly can for us.

If you hold a valid Colorado CCW license, that should prove you passed the BGC right there... but they even subject a uniformed police officer to a BGC for buying a firearm... and this 3 day "cooling off period" is just a slap in the face. It makes no logical sense other than serving as a punitive inconvenience. They actually expect citizens to undergo this process simply for trading hunting rifles with their neighbor.

[Eric P]

If you're a US citizen, there should be no need for permission, period.

[OneGuy67]

Th Dems are proposing this legislative session to increase the waiting period to 10 days. They are in talks right now with the Gov to see if he would veto it or not.

[Gunner]

Man I hate Colorado?


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[TRnCO]

first no BGC, then insta check, then 24 hour wait, then 3 days....next 10 days, then 30 days.

They will never stop..as has been said, it's not about safety...

[sneakerd]

Trust me- total pain in the ass for the FFLs. But that was always the point- making it harder to do the business.

[DDT951]

If you hold a valid Colorado CCW license, that should prove you passed the BGC right there... but they even subject a uniformed police officer to a BGC for buying a firearm... and this 3 day "cooling off period" is just a slap in the face. It makes no logical sense other than serving as a punitive inconvenience. They actually expect citizens to undergo this process simply for trading hunting rifles with their neighbor.

Police officers should be subjected to the same rules as the rest of us.

[Jer]

Police officers should be subjected to the same rules as the rest of us.

Correct. If it's important for one citizen it's important for all citizens. Classification of citizens allows for draconian laws to be passed with less opposition if you make small arbitrary exceptions. By and large people tend to fight less for other's rights than their own... human nature. Any laws presented should apply to ALL citizens of this country. We see fewer BS laws passed that way especially if those writing them were also subject to them.

[funkymonkey1111]

The three day waiting period actually saved me some headache last week... Not that I am advocating for it.

I am tracking an inbound shipment to a shop, whom I have recently started using because I use their range and it's close enough to be fairly convenient. Per tracking, shipment is held at Post Office for pickup on a Sunday, so I call them up shortly after opening Monday morning and ask if I can come in to do the background check. I get the typical "don't call us, we'll call you" type of response, it might be a day or two, blah blah blah. Fine, whatever, I'll wait for your call.

A couple of days go by, still no call. I check tracking, I see it was picked up early that Monday afternoon. So next day I walk into the shop.

ME: I'm here to start the background check process for this shipment you received.
THEM: I don't have an inbound gun here for you.
ME: I called Monday and here is the tracking info showing you picked it up that afternoon.
THEM: Well, yeah, that's our employee. Ummm...

So an all out search for my shipment is launched. I describe the gun in detail, the type of box it will be in, who it is coming from, here is the tracking number, here is the serial number. Finally, they find it in the "Waiting for the three days to be up" pile... Someone else had filled out a 4473 for it and they were going to give MY shipment to this other guy!

Now this was NOT a commodity firearm, it is visually distinctive, and it's value is not incidental. There is no way the other customer would have seen it without saying "That's NOT what I ordered". Shop claims they received two shipments from my sending FFL with no info on who was picking it up, so they were going to just take this guy's word for it that this was his gun.

It all gets straightened out and I finally picked it up this weekend, but man, I have had some doozy situations with the whole FFL process. Guns that end up with scratches due to mishandling while waiting for the BGC to happen, guns with significant lost pieces, guns that take weeks to get sent out, guns that take weeks to get a call saying they have arrived, guns getting delivered to the wrong address, this mix up. The list goes on.

Anyway, I'm just bitching at this point. At least something finally worked in my favor, I guess?

How do you know they "took this guys' word for it?"---they're the ones that put the gun on the 4473. Who knows--he may not have ever even seen the gun.

i assume that's the last time you ever use those clowns for a transfer

[TFOGGER]

first no BGC, then insta check, then 24 hour wait, then 3 days....next 10 days, then 30 days.

They will never stop..as has been said, it's not about safety...

The 3 day thing was no accident. Think about how many days the typical gun show runs. They chose that number to make it nearly impossible to sell at a gun show, without directly attacking gun shows.

[ray1970]

Ha. Just wait until the day every purchase or transfer has to go through same process as every NFA item.

New Glock? Sure. Just submit these forms and a set of fingerprints and we?ll let you know when the process is complete and you can come pick it up.






(No. I am not justifying any sort of waiting period. I?m also not saying it could be worse. Mostly pointing out that things start small and then build from there.)

[Joe_K]

If all the FFLs and firearm purchasers stopped following these lols think how far ahead we might be. Out here in Hawaii it is much worse in the way of firearm lols, they are repugnant to the Constitution and my convictions, which is why I will not be participating in the games the Legislature and Police are playing. Bad criminals get what they want, turns out so do good criminals.