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Martinjmpr
09-12-2023, 10:37
Posting this here because I figured there is a lot of institutional knowledge I could tap into...

Situation: Wife and I are shopping for a new house in Pueblo West. We really like the area, the warmer weather, the nicer houses for less $$, etc.

We saw one yesterday and the wife absolutely fell head over heels in love with it. She wants to put in an offer.

One thing I really, REALLY want is a 3 car garage that is big enough for my truck (2018 F-150 Crew Cab Short Bed 4x4) as well as my motorcycles. For the last 6 1/2 years we've lived in the Columbine area and our 2 car garage is simply not big enough for my truck. As a result I now have $5000 worth of hail damage courtesy of a couple of nasty storms in June and July. I also just hate parking the truck outside and then having to clean snow and ice off of it in the Winter. For that matter I don't like going out to it in the middle of summer when it's blistering hot either.

So in our searches I've insisted on a 3 car garage.

Well, yesterday we found a house that is perfect for us. All on one level (no stairs except for a basement - we can do everythign we need to do on the main level), beautiful finishes throughout, a very unique design that we love, a yard for our pupplies, no HOA, no sidewalks for me to shovel - it's the whole package and even has a 3 car garage.

But when I looked at the garage I thought "man, that's a pretty small garage for a 3 car." I was particularly concerned about the LENGTH of the garage. I asked our realtor to find out the dimensions (they weren't listed in the MLS listing) and this morning she got back to me: Width is 30.5' (good), depth is 19.3' and height is 6.11'.

My truck is 19.25' long per the internet, so it might BARELY fit (with literally an inch to spare.) But the bigger problem is the height: My truck is an FX-4 model with the higher factory suspension and sits at least 74 - 75" tall. Now it's POSSIBLE that the realtor mean to write 6'11" instead of 6 POINT 11 inches. If so, I think it would work (barely.) But if (as I suspect) the 6.11 number is correct, my truck simply will not fit as it is too tall.

So here's my FIRST question for the group: Assuming the height of the interior would accommodate it, how difficult/expensive is it to raise a garage door by, say, 8 or 9 inches? This house has the typical 3 car garage door arrangement with a double-wide (16' I presume) door closer to the center of the houe and then a smaller (8' wide) door further out. As long as it wouldn't be prohibitively expensive, I could consider raising the single-wide door a few inches to accomodate.

But that brings me to my SECOND question: I would still have the length issue - if my truck is truly 19.25' long (that is, 19 feet three inches or 231 inches) and the garage is 19.3' (that is, 19 feet 4 inches or 232 inches) then that's a pretty small margin of safety to be backing a truck in. How difficult/expensive would it be to extend the front of the garage by maybe a foot? (I don't think extending it to the rear is an option because the area behind the garage is part of the interior of the house and likely contains electrical wiring, plumbing, etc. So the front is the only way to go.)

I'm assuming that framing out from the garage would be a big project, and likely cost would be in the tens of thousands of dollars, does that sound right? I mean, I get that with enough money anything is possible, but in terms of practicality, I don't see that as really a practical way to go.

So if the garage can't be made long enough to accommodate the truck, maybe a shorter truck would be the answer? I've owned the F-150 for 4 years now and I really like everything about it. But at the end of the day, it's just a vehicle. We plan on being in this house for 20 or more years and of course I'm going to change vehicles over that time anyway.

There are a number of options that are SHORTER than my F-150, but all of them are at least 74" tall. So even another vehicle would likely require me to raise the height of one of the garage doors.

Of course, that's assuming it is, in fact, 6.11 feet and not 6 feet 11 inches. Interestingly, I just measured the door of our current house (built in 1979.) The opening is 6'11". The house we're looking at was built in 1994, I can't believe they'd only put a 6.11" door in a house in 1994.

Anyway, my main question was about raising the height of a garage door. I presume this is do-able, at a cost. Just wondering if anyone has done it and how much it cost you and if there were any unforeseen issues.

Thanks in advance!


EDITED TO ADD UPDATE: Realtor confirmed height of the door is 6' 11".

Looks like I'll be shopping for a new truck.

ruthabagah
09-12-2023, 10:46
Trade the truck for a mini, call it a day.

Seriously: I asked for some estimates to raise the framing above a garage door a few inches for the same reason, and it was actually pretty cheap, but my garage does not have a living space above. Now, I am still waiting for the HOS approval, which you won?t have to deal with?


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Great-Kazoo
09-12-2023, 10:46
For you to raise the door. You have to redo the header, etc. Which means you might need a permit, that entails engineering blueprints etc. Then does the height of the wall, allow an increase of what's needed? Throw in potential to have a custom garage door made for that height increase.

Forget the height of the garage. What's the height of the garage door opening, from ground to top of frame?
. I suggest you add another 2-4" for clearance, to allow for the add on of a topper, etc. . Trying to squeeze any vehicle in with 1" to spare isn't going to go the way you hope.
Always go bigger, if there's room on property, with no hoa, why not do a single car for the truck, as time & $$ allows?

Martinjmpr
09-12-2023, 10:55
For you to raise the door. You have to redo the header, etc. Which means you might need a permit, that entails engineering blueprints etc. Then does the height of the wall, allow an increase of what's needed? Throw in potential to have a custom garage door made for that height increase.

Forget the height of the garage. What's the height of the garage door opening, from ground to top of frame?
. I suggest you add another 2-4" for clearance, to allow for the add on of a topper, etc. . Trying to squeeze any vehicle in with 1" to spare isn't going to go the way you hope.
Always go bigger, if there's room on property, with no hoa, why not do a single car for the truck, as time & $$ allows?

First off, I have my fingers crossed that "6.11" means "six foot eleven inches" since 7' a very standard garage door size. I'm 6'1" and I don't think the garage door height was low enough that I would have had to duck under.

There is no living space above the garage (it's a single story house with a gabled roof) so that's not an issue.

I'd love to consider a single car garage but even though this is a large(er) lot (.3 acres) because of the way the house is situated on the lot, there is no practical place to put another garage, unfortunately.

A compact truck would likely be the best option as long as I could fit it in height-wise. I would absolutely miss the space and power of the F-150 (and the 36 gallon gas tank!) but I could do it. I need at least 5,000# towing capacity to pull our travel trailer but the newer compact trucks can do that.

I would actually prefer an SUV (Suburban/Tahoe/Expedition) but they seem prohibitively expensive.

BPTactical
09-12-2023, 11:01
Park the damn truck outside or hold out for a property with a large enough outbuilding or enough space to build one.

Martinjmpr
09-12-2023, 11:02
UPDATE: I did a little Google Earth Street View surfing and came across this picture. This is the house we are looking at:

94698

Unless my eyes are deceiving me, that is a lifted RAM 2500 on the left with some kind of "wing" above the cab, and a non-lifted RAM 1500 on the right.

Seems to me even the lifted RAM would fit if not for the light bar (or whatever it is) extending above the cab. It also seems like the non-lifted RAM would fit easily.

Am I seeing that right or am I whistling past the graveyard here?

EDITED TO ADD: My F-150 does not have anything above the cab. It has a topper (shell) but the topper is cab-height. I am on standard (FX4) suspension with one size over on tires (stock tires were 275/65/18 and I put on 275/70/18.)

I guess what I'm saying is my F-150 is a lot closer to the size of the white RAM on the right.

Martinjmpr
09-12-2023, 11:15
Park the damn truck outside or hold out for a property with a large enough outbuilding or enough space to build one.

If all things were equal I'd agree but this house is pretty unique. There are a lot of "cookie cutter" houses out in PW but this one is really different and I think the wife fell in love with it.

I was planning on getting a new truck in a few years anyway, so this might just speed up that decision. I'll discuss it with the wife, I think we may be able to shake some money loose from the sale of our current house. At least the car market isn't as crazy as it was a few years ago.

Martinjmpr
09-12-2023, 11:46
UPDATE: (Also edited the original post): Height is 6'11" (83") so plenty of height for pretty much any 4x4 truck or SUV.

Looks like I'll be shopping for a new truck later this year or early next year.

buffalobo
09-12-2023, 11:51
The opening is 6'-11". Of more concern should be the depth, the listed depth probably does not subtract for any hardware that may be attached to inside of the garage door.

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BushMasterBoy
09-12-2023, 11:58
I've lived here 17 years. I have watched it grow. It used to be quiet place to live. In hindsight, I would have bought a house with a large unattached barn/garage. It is way easier to purchase a turnkey place to live, than try to make a house fit your needs by modifying it.

My neighbor is selling his house. It is a 5/4 with barn and welded steel garage detached as well as regular two car garage. PM me if you want the details.

Great-Kazoo
09-12-2023, 13:50
UPDATE: I did a little Google Earth Street View surfing and came across this picture. This is the house we are looking at:

94698

Unless my eyes are deceiving me, that is a lifted RAM 2500 on the left with some kind of "wing" above the cab, and a non-lifted RAM 1500 on the right.

Seems to me even the lifted RAM would fit if not for the light bar (or whatever it is) extending above the cab. It also seems like the non-lifted RAM would fit easily.

Am I seeing that right or am I whistling past the graveyard here?

EDITED TO ADD: My F-150 does not have anything above the cab. It has a topper (shell) but the topper is cab-height. I am on standard (FX4) suspension with one size over on tires (stock tires were 275/65/18 and I put on 275/70/18.)

I guess what I'm saying is my F-150 is a lot closer to the size of the white RAM on the right.

Yes the ram is lifted. BUT... I's parked OUTSIDE :)

Martinjmpr
09-12-2023, 13:59
Yes the ram is lifted. BUT... I's parked OUTSIDE :)

So our Realtor - who has been great, BTW. She was a classmate of our Daughter-in-law from college - just Facetimed me a video of her backing her husband's truck into the garage of this house (he has a CCSB F-150 just like mine.) It would fit - BARELY - but it would fit.

Probably good enough until I get the hail damage fixed on the F-150 and then look to trade it in on a newer (smaller) truck. Currently thinking of either a Tacoma or the new Ranger. Either one should be able to haul our 4,000 lb camper.

Tim K
09-12-2023, 14:34
My new truck is 3/4" shorter than the opening with the door up. Tense moments pulling it in the first time, but I haven't thought about it since. If it fits, it fits. I'd go double check the length myself.

For me at least, trucks come and go. They are consumables. A home you really like that checks all your boxes is, to me, much more important. If the house is perfect and the truck isn't, change the truck.

Clint45
09-12-2023, 15:22
Simple: remove the pushbumper and let the air out of the tires. lol

Martinjmpr
09-12-2023, 15:22
My new truck is 3/4" shorter than the opening with the door up. Tense moments pulling it in the first time, but I haven't thought about it since. If it fits, it fits. I'd go double check the length myself.

For me at least, trucks come and go. They are consumables. A home you really like that checks all your boxes is, to me, much more important. If the house is perfect and the truck isn't, change the truck.

Yeah, that's kind of where I am on this. From what I've seen with the real estate agent using her husband's truck (same kind as mine) it will fit, even if there's only an inch to spare. I'll park it in the farthest bay from the door and back in (I always back in anyway, old habits die hard.) I'll probably put in a stop for the rear wheel to keep me from hitting the back wall. Motorcycles will go in the middle and then wife's car will be closest to the door (she always parks head-in anyway.)

The house really is spectacular and in budget for us. It's in a great neighborhood too.

As much as I'd like to live on an open acre of land on a dirt road like the ones that are common in the Northern part of PW, my wife wouldn't be happy being that isolated from the community. It's all about compromise. I get space for my truck (barely) and space for my bikes and she gets the fancy house she wants. Win-win. And when it's time to upgrade to a new truck (3 years) I'll go back to a compact (which, to be honest, I would prefer anyway. As much as I like the space and comfort of the full size pickup, parking is a PITA and most of the time it's just hauling me, my wife and our travel trailer. It will actually be nice to have a smaller, more nimble vehicle for off-road travel.

Martinjmpr
09-12-2023, 15:40
I've lived here 17 years. I have watched it grow. It used to be quiet place to live. In hindsight, I would have bought a house with a large unattached barn/garage. It is way easier to purchase a turnkey place to live, than try to make a house fit your needs by modifying it.

My neighbor is selling his house. It is a 5/4 with barn and welded steel garage detached as well as regular two car garage. PM me if you want the details.

I think we're pretty happy with this one we found. I saw a couple of more generic houses on the North side of 50 that I would have liked but the wife hated being so far out in the boonies and I don't think she would have been happy living on a dirt road. I can only imagine how much she'd complain about how dirty the house got from the dirt blowing around. I have to admit being on a paved road is good since I ride motorcycles (street bikes) and I didn't relish the idea of having to start or end a ride on a dirt road, especially when the weather was wet or the roads had snow or ice on them.

Erni
09-12-2023, 15:47
Whoever built that probably was offering a taller door option. Those garage arches could be cut back fairly clean and the stucco would look good from the street. The header may be even above those arches, if so you would need a taller door.

But get a ranger and call it a day. Heck a Maverick in 4x4 will tow 4000 up the 70. There is a video on YouTube.

BladesNBarrels
09-12-2023, 16:53
Many of the lots are big in Pueblo West as I recall.
Can you build a large detached garage?
I currently have a RAM 1500 4-door with 5 foot 7 inch bed and have about 4 inches in back and 3 inches in front when I back in.
Some days it goes right where I want it and other days I look like a rookie learning to drive.
If you decide to change vehicles, you might want to check the electrical box and see if you can install a charger for that new Rivian pick-up.

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earplug
09-12-2023, 18:17
Check what your permitted for a steel car port. We put in a double wide years ago and it has been a great thing

Martinjmpr
09-13-2023, 12:00
Check what your permitted for a steel car port. We put in a double wide years ago and it has been a great thing

The house we are looking at has a large open area by the garage that would easily fit an RV pad or one of those big RV carports (which I'd love for our travel trailer.) Right now it's got several trees on it but I hate trees so I would look into removing the trees and flattening out the area for an RV pad.

Wolfshoon
09-13-2023, 15:44
that new Rivian pick-up.

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Rivians have been an absolute nightmare to repair rear end damage as it is all a one piece body. Excessive repair bills and some total outs from seemingly minor rear end damage accidents Honda learned from that mistake on their “truck”, lol, and started making them in two pieces like normal manufacturers.


As to the truck parking, pickups are still going for stupid money on trade in. I would have thought that the used car market would have collapsed by now but it just keeps going. Good luck with your garage situation.

Martinjmpr
09-15-2023, 13:34
Well, our offer was accepted so it looks like we'll be moving to PW in about 6 weeks.

I'm excited but also I know I'll miss being closer to family here in the Denver area.

I won't miss being in a multi-level home in an HOA though.