View Full Version : 50 guns, 3,000 rounds, truck and gun safe stolen in Arapahoe County
funkymonkey1111
10-26-2023, 23:04
https://kdvr.com/news/local/50-guns-3000-rounds-ammo-hauled-off-with-stolen-truck-and-tools/
Folks were cleaned out--no place is safe in Colorado these days. Burglars were able to move a large safe out of the place.
.455_Hunter
10-27-2023, 07:37
https://kdvr.com/news/local/50-guns-3000-rounds-ammo-hauled-off-with-stolen-truck-and-tools/
Folks were cleaned out--no place is safe in Colorado these days. Burglars were able to move a large safe out of the place.
This event raises a few questions...
How did they steal the truck? Should you retrofit your vehicles with a hidden manual fuel pump cutoff switch?
Are the huge gun safes really a great idea, given they typically must be deployed at ground level in a garage or other accessible space? Would a dispersal of smaller units have offered better protection?
Was the property alarmed? Basic security systems, either professionally monitored or owner monitored, are pretty damn cost effective, especially when you have valuables.
Yes, the current climate that degenerates have full rights to your "stuff" is very frustrating, but heaven forbid you do anything to actively stop them, because "human lives are precious".
The article is a little vague and I honestly don?t know what an outbuilding is. A detached garage maybe?
As far as the truck being stolen, anyone who breaks into my home could probably easily find the keys for my vehicles so stealing them would be easy.
As far as getting away with my safes, there had better be two or three perpetrators willing to put in some work. Mine are on the lowest level of my house and getting them out of the room they are in is no simple task and even if they manage that then they still have to move them up two flights of stairs.
eddiememphis
10-27-2023, 08:21
Are the huge gun safes really a great idea, given they typically must be deployed at ground level in a garage or other accessible space? Would a dispersal of smaller units have offered better protection?
I have wondered this point as well.
If you put all your eggs in one basket, it's pretty easy for all your eggs to disappear at once. Having a few discreetly stashed locations would seem to be a better option. However, if someone has enough time they can steal everything in the house.
Are the huge gun safes really a great idea, given they typically must be deployed at ground level in a garage or other accessible space? Would a dispersal of smaller units have offered better protection?
A pro can get into any commercial "gun/fire" safe in under 30 minutes. Public forum, so I am not detailing my layout, but one needs to think about layers, being a more difficult target, etc.
That is out near Buckley if I am not mistaken. Rural-ish. I'm betting the theives knew what they were going after before they got there.
buffalobo
10-27-2023, 10:12
Sounds like inside job with planning.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
BushMasterBoy
10-27-2023, 10:29
You have to have an alarm, security cameras, LoJack etc. these days. For your personal protection you need body armor and a kevlar helmet. And this list is just the bare minimum.
eddiememphis
10-27-2023, 10:55
Keeping your mouth shut about owning firearms is a good idea as well.
Having a large safe, especially where people can see it, is an invitation to burglary.
The article is a little vague and I honestly don?t know what an outbuilding is. A detached garage maybe?
As far as the truck being stolen, anyone who breaks into my home could probably easily find the keys for my vehicles so stealing them would be easy.
As far as getting away with my safes, there had better be two or three perpetrators willing to put in some work. Mine are on the lowest level of my house and getting them out of the room they are in is no simple task and even if they manage that then they still have to move them up two flights of stairs.
An outbuilding is what those of us on acreage refer to when talking about shops, garages, barns, etc especially if they are flexible space like a big steel 40x40 pole barn.
What? 50 guns? Isn't that an arsenal? Didn't hear that word used yet.
3000 rounds? He must of been just getting started.
3000 rounds..... Those are Rookie numbers.....
All kidding aside, motivated thieves will steal whatever they want regardless of deterrents. This is why we have insurance. This reminds me that I need to update my polices with the last few Pew acquisitions over the year so they can be properly covered. Hopefully all of you have sufficient documentation of your pew positions logged with your insurance company so that it can be covered when or if a total loss event happens.
Everyone here needs to ask themselves honestly if their insurance coverage would fully cover their belongings if their house burned to the ground and it was a total loss scenario. If its not identified, appraised and documented the insurance company can easily tell you to stick it when a total loss event happens.
eddiememphis
10-27-2023, 14:55
Everyone here needs to ask themselves honestly if their insurance coverage would fully cover their belongings if their house burned to the ground and it was a total loss scenario.
Some policies start at $2500 for firearms and ammo, most are $5000. It is also important to know if it is replacement cost or actual cash value.
If you have some money tired up in this hobby it is a good idea to have your agent review your coverages.
Some policies start at $2500 for firearms and ammo, most are $5000. It is also important to know if it is replacement cost or actual cash value.
Most are $2500 in the categories of firearms, cameras, computers, tools. That is the max you will get even if you don't hit your personal property max. Collectables, jewelry also have max limits. Some policies have them listed in individual categories, but with another max in aggregate.
If you belong to the NRA, there is a small amount, depending on when you joined, etc. That can be 5K or 10K. Another reason to consider optics with a no questions asked lifetime warranty, as well as buying from Brownells Edge that has a lifetime, no questions asked warranty.
Then there are riders, and usually, from your homeowners policy, it's a lot. There are a few specialty insurers for jewelry and firearms that are worth a check.
.455_Hunter
10-28-2023, 09:58
I will just leave this here...
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/colorado/news/burglary-victim-speaks-out-thieves-steal-50-guns-hauling-3000-pound-safe/
The victim seems a bit clueless to what has been happening in today's world.
kidicarus13
10-28-2023, 10:12
Not a random theft. Someone knew they had guns and were out of town. Nice sign on the wall behind the reporter, but the thieves were too busy thieving to pay it much attention.
T. B. Turner
10-28-2023, 11:07
Another oddity is that around 1:34 they show a neighbor's house very close by. Even if it was the middle of the night they should have heard the noise that would have likely happened. I grew up in a rural area such as that and would have been awakened by that much noise close by.
BPTactical
10-28-2023, 11:23
If the picture of the safe is the actual safe stolen then the stupid fucks deserve it stolen.
Sitting on skids about 5 inches above the floor- check!
Not bolted down- check!
In a ground level enclosure- check!
In a ground level enclosure with tools readily available- check!
In a ground level enclosure with a vehicle capable of easily hauling a large, heavy safe-check!
In a ground level enclosure with minimal security-check!
The dumbasses did most of the work for the thieves.[fail]
Grant H.
10-28-2023, 13:12
A pro can get into any commercial "gun/fire" safe in under 30 minutes.
Especially in a rural shop with tools laying around, anyone can be into a standard commercial "gun safe" in SIGNIFICANTLY less than 30 minutes. Any of the RSC's available from big box stores and marketed as a "fire safe" are only good for about 3-5 minutes with a good sawzall.
If you want real security, you are talking TL-15, TL-30, TLTR, etc... These are not RSC's (Residential Security Container). These are real safes. They start at 3x the weight of a usual "gun safe" and go up from there. Instead of being measured in sheet metal gauges, they are measured in inche(s) of steel for wall and door thickness.
Sounds like inside job with planning.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
This.
Insurance fraud?
Attempted end run around ATF or similar?
buffalobo
10-28-2023, 13:15
Especially in a rural shop with tools laying around, anyone can be into a standard commercial "gun safe" in SIGNIFICANTLY less than 30 minutes. Any of the RSC's available from big box stores and marketed as a "fire safe" are only good for about 3-5 minutes with a good sawzall.
If you want real security, you are talking TL-15, TL-30, TLTR, etc... These are not RSC's (Residential Security Container). These are real safes. They start at 3x the weight of a usual "gun safe" and go up from there. Instead of being measured in sheet metal gauges, they are measured in inche(s) of steel for wall and door thickness.
This.
Insurance fraud?
Attempted end run around ATF or similar?More likely douchy friend or family member with evil intent. Even a stranger who might have inadvertently got a look in shop and recognized opportunity.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
I will just leave this here...
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/colorado/news/burglary-victim-speaks-out-thieves-steal-50-guns-hauling-3000-pound-safe/
The victim seems a bit clueless to what has been happening in today's world.
As does the reporter (and possibly the owner) about trucks.
"A Dodge Ram 2016." and "flatbed pickup" LOL So much wrong to unpack there.
Looked like a RAM 4500/5500.
Bailey Guns
10-29-2023, 05:28
That Cannon "safe" doesn't weigh anywhere close to 3000 lbs. Not even half of that...even loaded with 50 guns.
It sucks this happened...especially to people who are obviously hard-working and honest and look like they have been their entire lives. My guess is it's just going to get worse. I hate even leaving my property these days.
Sad for the people. The one CBS comment made me go hmmm...
"Among the weapons, were family heirlooms, but some of the weapons were newer and potentially more lethal." Lethal and potentially more lethal... WTF. I want most lethal! Or maybe a new category, Lethal as fuk... LAF!
It's a 600 lb safe. Moved one empty with my wife pretty easy.
asystejs
11-02-2023, 09:31
Even if the safe had been bolted to the floor, the thieves had time and tools to cut it free.
They tipped the safe over, drug it of the building and down the highway
Shouldn't be too difficult to track that.
Even if the safe had been bolted to the floor, the thieves had time and tools to cut it free.
They tipped the safe over, drug it of the building and down the highway
Shouldn't be too difficult to track that.
Very few people think to GPS their gun safe. Doubt very much they drug it down the highway, several guys loaded it into the truck... and they knew the gun safe was there. No mention of them even attempting to access the residence itself, this wasn't random.
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