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JUST IN: In a stunning and unprecedented decision, the Colorado Supreme Court removed former President Donald Trump from the state?s 2024 ballot, ruling that he isn?t an eligible presidential candidate because of the 14th Amendment?s ?insurrectionist ban.? The ruling was 4-3 and will be placed on hold pending appeal until January 4.
In November, a Colorado judge issued a ruling that concluded that Trump ?engaged in an insurrection? on that day ? but the decision fell just short of removing Trump from the state's 2024 ballot based on the 14th Amendment's insurrectionist ban.
The ruling was the latest legal victory for the GOP frontrunner, who has now defended his spot on the ballot in several key states, including Michigan and Minnesota, though appeals are underway.
While this lawsuit is not a criminal case, it is a highly notable finding and could factor into future challenges that are brought for the general election or even to block Trump from taking office if he wins next November. The Colorado decision is expected to be appealed to the US Supreme Court, regardless of the ruling.
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Million dollar question....
Why do they even bother in Colorado? We're so blue that the balls have disappeared entirely.
It's a pointless hill for anyone to die on, the electoral will be awarded to Biden even if he's babbling after a stroke, but here we are... fighting court battles that are valuable as internet arguments.
If it were a swing state this was occurring in, that would be more intriguing. Nikki is polling reasonably well in some swing states, it would be nice to actually field a candidate that could win for a change. I know that is IMPOSSIBLE. The GOP is not a conservative party anymore, unfortunately it's been derailed by a cult following of a cluster-B that his followers would drink koolaid and die for if he promised them salvation.
This is all like a slow motion train wreck of 40 golf carts driven by exceptionally old senior citizens. Regardless of how ridiculously stupid the 5mph crash looks, there's significant risk to life and property.
BushMasterBoy
12-19-2023, 18:12
18 U.S. Code ? 2101 - Riots
He incited a riot.
Title 18 U.S. Code 2383 rebellion and insurrection charges at the federal level could be charged when perpetrators destroy government property or assault public officers. Simply put, it's considered a crime against the United States.
If I was Trump, I would have conceded the election.
I sincerely doubt SCOTUS will disagree.
We're not a system of law, we're a system of judges though. 3/9 of which were appointed by Trump. I'd bet SCOTUS rationalizes whatever they need to to accomplish the result they want, because that's how our system actually works.
SCOTUS isn't going to remove Trump, who appointed them, from the ballot (impacting more states than CO), probably in no small part because the same cult kool-aid folks would threaten great bodily harm to all the judges. It's Trump-or-die for the only-Trumpers.
Guess I didn?t even think about us being a blue state.
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Now THAT'S ballot tampering right there...
O2
lurchnp81
12-19-2023, 18:52
18 U.S. Code ? 2101 - Riots
He incited a riot.
Title 18 U.S. Code 2383 rebellion and insurrection charges at the federal level could be charged when perpetrators destroy government property or assault public officers. Simply put, it's considered a crime against the United States.
If I was Trump, I would have conceded the election.
I sincerely doubt SCOTUS will disagree.
Was Trump actually "charged" with rebellion and insurrection?
BushMasterBoy
12-19-2023, 19:22
These are the actual charges. I am not the prosecutor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictments_against_Donald_Trump
lurchnp81
12-19-2023, 19:58
These are the actual charges. I am not the prosecutor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictments_against_Donald_Trump
I was only a C student, so may need help with this...but as far as I can tell, none of those charges are rebellion or insurrection at the Federal level (as you provided in the above referenced Federal code).
Assuming we use Wikipedia as our source of truth:
March 2023 New York indictment has to do with falsifying business records prior to the 2016 election.
June 2023 Federal indictment in Florida has to do with storage of government documents
August 2023 Federal indictment in Washington D.C., for charges of conspiring to defraud the government and disenfranchise voters (again IANAL, but neither of these are rebellion or insurrection charges)
August 2023 Georgia indictment has to do with charges related to overturning Joe Biden's election
Of the 4 indictments, 2 of the 4 are at the state level (GA and NY), and as far as I can tell are neither for rebellion or insurrection.
The other 2 are at the Federal level (FL and D.C.), but again as far as I can tell are neither rebellion or insurrection.
Will it matter in CO? Most likely no. Statewide CO has turned deep blue and will most definitely go blue in 2024 regardless of who is on the ballot in the state.
BushMasterBoy
12-19-2023, 21:38
I watched it on TV. I call it as I see it.
theGinsue
12-19-2023, 23:21
Regardless of what you think of Trump personally, you have to ask yourself one question: Why are they (predominantly the Left) going after Trump so hard? Is it because they're afraid that he actually has a chance of defeating any candidate they put forward and thereby stopping their agenda in its tracks? Why is it that they're going so hard after Trump for the EXACT same things we have been shown to have been committed by others who were never charged if even investigated?
There is a lot more at play, far behind the scenes, than most of us realize and most would be horrified to learn.
I'd happily vote for any legitimately GOOD candidate if one were put forward, but the powers that be won't allow that. We're given bad choices all around. We get one person who was not part of the cabal who had the audacity to force his way in and actually got elected. He was demonized and attacked before he even took office. Do any of you honestly believe that he was worse than what we've been forced to accept for the past 3 years? Is this what you want? If so, you get the masters that you deserve and drag the rest of us into the pit as well. Do you enjoy the devastated economy the current regime has brought us? Do you like knowing this administration has portrayed our nation as ripe for the picking? Are you excited by the prospect of engaging in wars with both China and Russia - and all of their allies? Are you basking in joy over the damage our open borders have given us and the likelihood that there are thousands of single fighting aged men from all over the world who've infiltrated our communities and may at this very moment be planning to attack us from within? Folks, some VERY bad things are going to happen very soon unless we stop taking the options given to us. It's time to order off the menu and vote in someone who won't play their games so as to disrupt the evil plans.
It should alarm every one of you how blatantly they're prosecuting the one person they can't seem to control while ignoring the obvious crimes of those who remain in power. You should all be scared shitless by what's occurring yet you're drinking the "Orange Man Bad" kool-aid like it's water from the fountain of life. LOOK BEHIND THE DAMNED CURTAIN. Strings are being pulled from outside of your sight but you just see the marionettes dancing in front of you.
For me, until I'm presented with a truly honest option, I know who I'll be voting for - even if it requires a "write in" candidate. Why? Because I can see the horrific outcome laying in front of us if we continue to allow the puppeteers to run things, and it scares me to death.
ETA: And, for the record, I am neither suicidal nor a lawbreaker (except for occasionally exceeding the speed limit). If you hear otherwise about me then you'll know the truth of what really happened. Additionally, I absolutely do not advocate for violence to effect change. I advocate for everyone to wake up, open your eyes, use your heads, use you voices and most of all, use your votes in the smartest way possible.
Great-Kazoo
12-20-2023, 00:19
Regardless of what you think of Trump personally, you have to ask yourself one question: Why are they (predominantly the Left) going after Trump so hard? Is it because they're afraid that he actually has a chance of defeating any candidate they put forward and thereby stopping their agenda in its tracks? Why is it that they're going so hard after Trump for the EXACT same things we have been shown to have been committed by others who were never charged if even investigated?
There is a lot more at play, far behind the scenes, than most of us realize and most would be horrified to learn.
I'd happily vote for any legitimately GOOD candidate if one were put forward, but the powers that be won't allow that. We're given bad choices all around. We get one person who was not part of the cabal who had the audacity to force his way in and actually got elected. He was demonized and attacked before he even took office. Do any of you honestly believe that he was worse than what we've been forced to accept for the past 3 years? Is this what you want? If so, you get the masters that you deserve and drag the rest of us into the pit as well. Do you enjoy the devastated economy the current regime has brought us? Do you like knowing this administration has portrayed our nation as ripe for the picking? Are you excited by the prospect of engaging in wars with both China and Russia - and all of their allies? Are you basking in joy over the damage our open borders have given us and the likelihood that there are thousands of single fighting aged men from all over the world who've infiltrated our communities and may at this very moment be planning to attack us from within? Folks, some VERY bad things are going to happen very soon unless we stop taking the options given to us. It's time to order off the menu and vote in someone who won't play their games so as to disrupt the evil plans.
It should alarm every one of you how blatantly they're prosecuting the one person they can't seem to control while ignoring the obvious crimes of those who remain in power. You should all be scared shitless by what's occurring yet you're drinking the "Orange Man Bad" kool-aid like it's water from the fountain of life. LOOK BEHIND THE DAMNED CURTAIN. Strings are being pulled from outside of your sight but you just see the marionettes dancing in front of you.
For me, until I'm presented with a truly honest option, I know who I'll be voting for - even if it requires a "write in" candidate. Why? Because I can see the horrific outcome laying in front of us if we continue to allow the puppeteers to run things, and it scares me to death.
ETA: And, for the record, I am neither suicidal nor a lawbreaker (except for occasionally exceeding the speed limit). If you hear otherwise about me then you'll know the truth of what really happened. Additionally, I absolutely do not advocate for violence to effect change. I advocate for everyone to wake up, open your eyes, use your heads, use you voices and most of all, use your votes in the smartest way possible.
Well said and sadly true.
Whether you like trump or not. EVERYONE should be concerned with the ruling. Today Trump. Tomorrow??
You get a solid d school board or town council who refuses to give up their power when a local election cycle is happening. Next thing you know.
Suzy Homemaker, rumored to be the reincarnation of Anita Bryant, is prevented from running because she plagiarized a H.S term paper.
ANY THREAT to the D machine is being met with charge, after charge, after charge. Ask yourself WHY? We're seeing Red Dawn happening every day, only it's coming from within the halls of congress, courts etc. And the d's have the ovaries to call SCOTUS Weaponized?? [ROFL2]
Bailey Guns
12-20-2023, 05:37
18 U.S. Code ? 2101 - Riots
He incited a riot.
Title 18 U.S. Code 2383 rebellion and insurrection charges at the federal level could be charged when perpetrators destroy government property or assault public officers. Simply put, it's considered a crime against the United States.
If I was Trump, I would have conceded the election.
I sincerely doubt SCOTUS will disagree.
I see. So the presumption of innocence doesn't apply to Trump.
And I'm not a big Trump fan. Frankly, I don't care for the guy much. What I do care about is the playing by the rules. Obviously, others don't. Our system of government as founded is pretty fantastic. Our actual government is highly flawed and overrun with tyrants.
It is unbelievable that a State Supreme Court would be so swayed in their decision to pull something like this.
Great example of where this f-ing State is headed.
eddiememphis
12-20-2023, 09:26
Million dollar question....
Why do they even bother in Colorado?
Because it was more likely to succeed and establish precedence rather than being tried in Florida or Texas.
If you want to raise you batting average, you don't want to play the Brewers (2023 ERA .371), you want to play the Rockies (2023 ERA .567).
Same with this nonsense.
BPTactical
12-20-2023, 10:57
Interesting how 4 non elected individuals have the means to deprive the citizens of an entire state the RIGHT to choose who they may vote for or vote against.
The Democrats are champions of peoples right to vote correct?
CORRECT??
CORRECT?
CORRECT?
BPTactical
12-20-2023, 11:04
Also interesting is that the accusation has been made that "T" incited insurrection.
But yet we have irrefutable proof that the current administration aided, abetted and encouraged acts of domestic terror to occur in major metropolitan areas during the summer of St George of Fentanyl.
https://youtu.be/QiZwWp9K9g0
hollohas
12-20-2023, 14:59
18 U.S. Code ? 2101 - Riots
He incited a riot.
Title 18 U.S. Code 2383 rebellion and insurrection charges at the federal level could be charged when perpetrators destroy government property or assault public officers. Simply put, it's considered a crime against the United States.
If I was Trump, I would have conceded the election.
I sincerely doubt SCOTUS will disagree.
While I completely disagree that he incited a riot...assuming he did, inciting a riot is not a disqualifier from running for this office.
Honestly it is baffling to me that the left doesn't realize prosecution = free advertisement for the narcissist/sociopath. If instead of pursuing them, they only laughed at his dumbass, he wouldn't even be a candidate.
I do not think Trump in 2024 would be better than alternatives, sorry. Soviet Russia surely will be better with him. He is absolutely the wrong president, at the wrong time, and his platform is anymore, almost entirely about division and vendettas. (Compare that to Nikki's. ) He spent more and ran our debt up more than any fucking president in our history, making the worst progressives look like fiscal conservatives by comparison.
He's on a railroad that leads to a much-earlier death of America, faster than even our worst enemies could ever dream of accomplishing.
Trump, is NOT a conservative. That said, the left's efforts to unseat him are entirely counterproductive to his cult followers.
The difference between the Trump supporters (who argue anything negative about him is "orange man bad / never trumpers" is the rest of us, well many of us actually voted for Trump in the past.
But we paid attention to what he did, we ignore his promises, and look at his actions. He promised to pay off the national debt. Instead it's over 33 trillion.
Sorry, even the progressives can't kill us as fast as Trump will, bankruptcy and division are what our enemies want for us, he's a win/win for them.
ETA: For the record I don't support this case either, as noted from others the legal premises are dubious. It accomplishes nothing. Just more of the rule of judges...
As before, I agree with Foxtart, but to the question at hand, I don't think state courts have jurisdiction here, especially short of a conviction for insurrection in federal court. Then comes the question of whether the President is an officer as described in the Constitution. My guess is that the U.S. Supreme Court will decide against CO and all states pursuing similar denial from the ballot, and very likely by unanimous decision.
I could well be wrong, in which case, look for Republicans and others moving to remove Biden from state ballots.
Great-Kazoo
12-20-2023, 17:36
Who's next a political party doesn't like?
https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/12202023-1-sos-weber-letter-6583461775cca.pdf
I have heard that Trump supposedly violated section 3 of the 14th Amendment which dates back to after the Civil War when any ex-Confederate candidate was disqualified from holding public office due to their 'insurrection'. It has nothing to do with the 2020 election.
Kind of ties into the Pentagons push to remove the (beautiful) Confederate "Reconciliation Monument" at Arlington National Cemetary, which is being dismantled this week. Shameful.
theGinsue
12-20-2023, 19:02
Also interesting is that the accusation has been made that "T" incited insurrection.
But yet we have irrefutable proof that the current administration aided, abetted and encouraged acts of domestic terror to occur in major metropolitan areas during the summer of St George of Fentanyl.
This is exactly what I meant when I said:
Why is it that they're going so hard after Trump for the EXACT same things we have been shown to have been committed by others who were never charged if even investigated?
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It should alarm every one of you how blatantly they're prosecuting the one person they can't seem to control while ignoring the obvious crimes of those who remain in power.
After all, if this is what "they" are using to classify "insurrection":
Title 18 U.S. Code 2383 rebellion and insurrection charges at the federal level could be charged when perpetrators destroy government property or assault public officers. Simply put, it's considered a crime against the United States.
This is EXACTLY what members of the Left advocated for and what occurred all across the country.
The Left doesn't even care if were can see with full 4k clarity that their using a double standard to advance their own agenda. Why should they care if they can continue to get away with it?
I don't think that Trump was responsible for an insurrection that had been planned well in advance of Jan 6, and was fully in progress when Trump first weighed in. But he damn sure did nothing to discourage it.
The whole "wa-wa-wa, I lost the election so they must have stolen it" schtick has been disgraceful. As he was our president, it is our national disgrace. He has admitted it was a lie but played it, hoping to keep his MAGA fan gathering. It has cost co-conspirators their jobs, lost fortunes and put many in prison, with others lined up to be judged and sentenced. How can one ever again respect Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity for their collusion, knowing, and admitting that it was all BS. And Rudi deserves the financial beat down. He just can't shut up.
The cowardly Donald Trump didn't debate the conservative Republican candidates because he knew they would have mopped the floor of ideas with him. Listen to him speak now. He has anger but little more mental acuity than Joe Biden did in 2020. He can't follow a teleprompter, either. But now we're stuck with this careening shit-show because the always dysfunctional GOP is more scared to MAGA death of losing their own elections than they are the presidency, or our national interests. Trump's stated intentions to abandon Ukraine to the Soviet thugs, embrace totalitarian dictators Putin, Xi and the little fat man, show that dictatorship is what he values in leadership. IMO, Trump is a time bomb, every bit as dangerous to our national interests as Obama and Biden have been.
18 U.S. Code ? 2101 - Riots
He incited a riot.
Title 18 U.S. Code 2383 rebellion and insurrection charges at the federal level could be charged when perpetrators destroy government property or assault public officers. Simply put, it's considered a crime against the United States.
If I was Trump, I would have conceded the election.
I sincerely doubt SCOTUS will disagree.
These are the actual charges. I am not the prosecutor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictments_against_Donald_Trump
As Flogger said (quote below), the ruling claims violation of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment 14 and, I believe, it's already been ruled that it doesn't apply.
Additionally, he hasn't been convicted for insurrection. The senate acquitted Trump by failing to garner a majority 2/3 vote to convict.
SCOTUS will shut this down. Don't be surprised to see an 8-1 or 9-0 decision.
I have heard that Trump supposedly violated section 3 of the 14th Amendment which dates back to after the Civil War when any ex-Confederate candidate was disqualified from holding public office due to their 'insurrection'. It has nothing to do with the 2020 election.
Kind of ties into the Pentagons push to remove the (beautiful) Confederate "Reconciliation Monument" at Arlington National Cemetary, which is being dismantled this week. Shameful.
Despite hating the guy, the case is bullshit, so I never celebrate when judges rule based on their personal beliefs rather than strict interpretation of the law and facts regardless of their desires for a party (Defendant or Plaintiff/Prosecutor) to prevail over another.
... Unfortunately there's hardly been a judge alive that has ever done the latter.
eddiememphis
12-21-2023, 09:07
I don't think state courts have jurisdiction here, especially short of a conviction for insurrection in federal court.
The state get to decide it's rules. We don't have one Presidential election, we have 51 separate elections, each with their own rules and laws.
That is why there may be an issue as to whether the US Supreme Court can override the state's law.
BushMasterBoy
12-21-2023, 11:10
Federal law is the supreme law of the land.
RblDiver
12-21-2023, 12:16
The state get to decide it's rules. We don't have one Presidential election, we have 51 separate elections, each with their own rules and laws.
That is why there may be an issue as to whether the US Supreme Court can override the state's law.
This only goes so far. The rules can't be manipulated to unjustly deny candidates a fair shot. Could Florida say that no Democrat may be on their ballot? Of course not.
I despise Trump as a candidate. I think he's terrible, not conservative in the least, and only interested in helping himself. I still think that he has been unjustly removed from the ballot and expect it to be reversed. If not, expect other states to force the issue by denying Biden from being on their ballots. Heck, Biden's already now a write-in candidate in New Hampshire! (Due to reasons not related to this, but the point being he's already off to a rough start)
hollohas
12-21-2023, 13:08
The case was initially brought by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW).
Who's president and CEO is Noah Bookbinder. Who is in the Biden admin, on the DHS Advisory Council. He was DOJ before that.
They shopped it around until they found a state with judges favorable to their cause.
The Biden Admin literally used an outfit with 'Ethics' in the name to remove a presidential candidate from a state ballot.
American, our government is a joke. Top to bottom. Land of the free, am I right?
BushMasterBoy
12-21-2023, 16:30
What I fear the most, is Trump with the Gold Codes. Colorado has nuclear weapons in silos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Codes
95495
hollohas
12-21-2023, 17:12
What I fear the most, is Trump with the Gold Codes. Colorado has nuclear weapons in silos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Codes
95495OMG, this still? Probably the one thing Trump did well was not get us into wars.
eddiememphis
12-21-2023, 18:14
What I fear the most, is Trump with the Gold Codes. Colorado has nuclear weapons in silos.
95496
Bailey Guns
12-22-2023, 06:07
What I fear the most, is Trump with the Gold Codes. Colorado has nuclear weapons in silos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Codes
95495
LMAO! Wow...
I fear Trump with a checkbook and signing more "free money for fools" letters far more...
...And also the long term implications of empowering soviet Russia and China going forward. If we turn tail in Ukraine to satisfy Trump's personal vendetta, Taiwan is happening much, much sooner.
I was a Trump fan. I think this whole amendment 14 violation pipedream of the Left is going nowhere. They are so terrified of Trump running for office, not knowing they are bolstering him in the polls by pulling this crap.
Too many Dems are condemning this ruling, this next couple of weeks should be interesting.
What I fear the most, is Trump with the Gold Codes. Colorado has nuclear weapons in silos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Codes
95495
LOL.
How would anyone know if a nuke went off at ground zero Pueblo?
It'd still look the same and have the same crazies.
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-26-2023, 22:45
Why Colorado? Because they can get a ruling they want (BARELY I?d like to point out) and that can be used in other states to bolster their cases against Trump in states that matter more (MI, WI, etc.)
Jack SMith hasn?t even charged Trump with insurrection. So if you can just claim that and get 5-6 judges to agree with you- can you keep someone off the ballot? Kamala was in big for raising funds for rioters bail during the summer of 2020. Those rioters attacked federal buildings. Insurrection? Hamas is holding Americans hostage? Support Hamas is that Insurrection? ANd back to Trump- he didn?t ?insurrect?, at the very worst people went against what he actually said. Frankly, you can?t have an insurrection finding until you unwind the FBI activities that day and the days before, along with the lack of adequate protection- and even acquiescence to the protestors.
And an insurrection with less guns than an easy range day. A country awash with assault weapons and everyone left them at home that day?. Is it an orgy if you leave your dick at home?
But Orange Man bad?
Well at least Michigan got it right by not allowing Trump to be removed from their ballot. I don’t like the guy but don’t see how a state can prevent a presidential candidate from being on a ballot. The wheels have come off.
electronman1729
12-28-2023, 15:33
Sounds like trump is back on the ballot in colorado.
BushMasterBoy
12-28-2023, 21:28
95514
Per Ardua ad Astra
Sounds like trump is back on the ballot in colorado.
Looks like Maine just took him off...
Well Colo/Griswold got slapped down pretty good with the 9/0 court decision. My guess is that sets the stage for all the other states that are trying the same thing.
Well Colo/Griswold got slapped down pretty good with the 9/0 court decision. My guess is that sets the stage for all the other states that are trying the same thing.
Ugh. I saw her blathering on the news tonight. What a weird AF nutter.
95514
Per Ardua ad Astra
Why the RAF/RAAF motto?
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