2024 CO Gun banners agenda

[zulu01]

I think we all knew this was coming with our Lefty legislature. Do you think Polis would veto any of this crap? He claims to be a 2nd amendment supporter. [ROFL1]


https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2024/01/23/draft-bill-puts-numerous-places-off-limits-to-concealed-carry/

[.455_Hunter]

Sponsored by Kyle Brown, D-Boulder County. That asshat spoke at my son's Troop meeting this past Monday. It wasn't the appropriate venue, otherwise we would have experienced an interesting discussion.

[.455_Hunter]

All I know is my son is getting some NICE 18th B-day presents in a couple weeks!

[eddiememphis]

The Polis question is interesting since he is aiming to be President.

I think he may veto a bill to cite in the future as an example that he is a centrist, not a leftist.

The Democrats need someone to run in 2028 that is not as radical or polarizing as the current front runners in their camp. Watch for Polis to shift towards the center in his last two years in office. He will spend the next year on the tv circuit as a "moderate" pundit.

In '27 he will officially announce his candidacy.

[eddiememphis]

The bill has this in it- "A public or private hospital, nursing home, clinic, medical office, urgent care facility or other place at which medical or healthcare services are being provided."

I was doing an inspection at Wind Crest. It is a huge retirement facility at 470 and Sante Fe. Over 600 units that start at $500k and top out around $1.2M- today. The monthly fee is $2500 and up, depending on the level of care required.

They have an on-site medical facility. This bill would preclude every resident and employee from having a firearm.

[.455_Hunter]

The bill has this in it- "A public or private hospital, nursing home, clinic, medical office, urgent care facility or other place at which medical or healthcare services are being provided."

They have an on-site medical facility. This bill would preclude every resident and employee from having a firearm.


From the bill, it sounds like your firearms rights are done if you ever have a health aide come to your house.

Grocery store have a blood pressure machine or shot clinic? Yup- Carry is verboten.

[def90]

I thought Boulder tried this a few years ago and it was destroyed in the courts.

[TEAMRICO]

That never stops them from trying again.

[O2HeN2]

I thought Boulder tried this a few years ago and it was destroyed in the courts.

If it was a few years ago it was probably because of the state preemption law.

The dems repealed that as quickly as they could so they could target otherwise law-abiding people as viciously as possible to protect a significant part of their voting demographic.

O2

[Great-Kazoo]

If it was a few years ago it was probably because of the state preemption law.

The dems repealed that as quickly as they could so they could target otherwise law-abiding people as viciously as possible to protect a significant part of their voting demographic.

O2


Remember this is the same party that's wanting biden to take federal control of the TX, national Guard. AS they're OUTRAGED Tx is ignoring the SCOTUS ruling.

Meanwhile Bruen has been fought since that ruling. By the same people whose panties are in a knot over Tx ignoring .......................A SCOTUS ruling.

Anyone else see how hypocritical they are?

Protesting outside the WH over the palastine / Israel conflict, trying to tear down fences and attack cops = their 1st amendment rights


J6 = INSURRECTION!!

I'm off to Tx sunday afternoon.

[eddiememphis]

The US Supreme Court ruled that federal agents can remove barriers erected by the state, not that the state can't erect barriers.

Pedantic, I know. But in the law, details matter.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

My guess is that Polis will try to quash anything that has a high probability of getting overturned OR that raises a causes ripples. I’d say that the more we make noise about it, the more likely he is going to try to reign in the craizies. That said, if they pass and get out of the parliament , he will probably sign them since he doesn’t want them on his record.

What problem is this actually going to solve? What CCWer has been shooting up hospitals? And even if they have, how does that affect my right to protect myself? Cut your own dick off to prevent rapes, and leave mine alone.

[O2HeN2]

Colorado SB24-066, backdoor gun registry. (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/colorado-bill-raises-concerns-over-potential-backdoor-gun-registry/)

O2

[eddiememphis]

Colorado SB24-066, backdoor gun registry. (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/colorado-bill-raises-concerns-over-potential-backdoor-gun-registry/)

O2

Sponsored by Tom Sullivan. Who is his largest benefactor? Everytown.

https://www.everytown.org/press/state-representative-tom-sullivan-everytown-supported-gun-sense-candidate-wins-in-colorado/

It not just a new code for purchases. It opens up dealers of guns and accessories to civil liability. Ole Frank Azar and his ilk will have a field day with this one.

Everytown getting their $1 million worth from this Sullivan.

[BPTactical]

Interesting- this state is being overrun by the homeless and 30k+ migrants.
And restricting the rights of the taxpayers is their top priority.

[theGinsue]

Interesting- this state is being overrun by the homeless and 30k+ migrants.
And restricting the rights of the taxpayers is their top priority.

It's all by design.

[OneGuy67]

As of March 6, 2024, these are the current bills working their way through the legislature that directly relate to firearms.

SB24-003 - Colorado Bureau of Investigation Authority to Investigate Firearms Crimes
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-003
Senator Sullivan wants the CBI to investigate all gun crimes, set up a tip line, and investigate those tips (to include those stores that sell 30 round mags, etc).
**PASSED Through Senate With Amendments. PASSED Through House with Amendments. Senate Concurred with House Amendments. Sent to Governor 5/7/24**

SB24-066 - Firearms Merchant Category Code
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-066
Requires special merchant codes for firearms and ammunition purchases
**PASSED Through Senate, PASSED Though House. Governor Signed 5/1/24**

SB24-131 - Prohibit Carrying Firearms in Sensitive Spaces
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-131
Prohibits from open and concealed carry in locations specified in the bill.
**PASSED Through Senate With Amendments. PASSED Through House With Amendments. Senate Concurred with House Amendments. Sent to Governor 5/7/24**

HB24-1123 - Funding For School Safety Firearm Detection Systems
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1123
Establishes a program to disburse money to local schools to purchase, install, and operate firearm detection software in schools.
**Introduced in House - Assigned to Education Committee. 3/21/24 Education Committee referred Amended to Appropriations. Died in Committee.**

HB24-1174 - Concealed Carry Permits & Training
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1174
Requires the Sheriff to certify instructors and lays out a required minimum amount of training to obtain a CCW
**PASSED Through House With Minor Changes, PASSED Through Senate Unamended. Has not yet been signed by Senate President and Not Yet Sent to Governor for Signature**

HB24-1270 - Firearm Liability Insurance Requirement
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1270
Requires Firearms owners to maintain liability insurance to cover losses or damages to person other than the policyholder
**PASSED Through House with Amendments. Introduced in Senate, Assigned to State, Veterans, & Military Affairs Committee 4/22/24. Passed Committee 4/24/24 with amendments. Sent to Senate Committee of the Whole. Passed Second Reading 4/26/24 with amendments. Third Reading 5/8/24**

HB24-1292 - Prohibit Certain Weapons Used in Mass Shootings
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1292
Bans the sale or transfer of most firearms in Colorado
**PASSED in House 4/14/24. Picked up Senate Sponsor. Introduced in Senate on 4/18/24. Assigned to State, Veteran, & Military Affairs Committee. Postponed Indefinitely.**

HB24-1310 - School Safety Measures
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1310
Establishes the minimum training necessary to be a school security officer or school resource officer
**Introduced in House, Assigned to Education Committee 4/11/24 - Postponed Indefinitely**

HB24-1348 - Secure Firearm Storage in a Vehicle
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1348
Prohibits knowingly leaving an unsecured firearm in a vehicle
**PASSED Through House with Amendments. PASSED Through Senate with Amendments. House Considering Senate Amendments 4/25/24. House did not Concur with Amendments - Requested Conference Committee. First Conference Committee Adopted Rerevised With Amendments 5/1/24. House Consideration of First Conference Committee Report Rejected 5/4/24. Second Conference Committee Result Adopted Rerevised with Amendments 5/7/24.**

HB24-1349 - Firearms & Ammunition Excise Tax
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1349
Send for Voter Approval an initiative to tack on a 11% excise tax for firearms, firearm parts & Ammunition sales; money goes to victim assistance funding
**PASSED House with Amendments. Introduced in Senate, Assigned to Finance Committee. Finance Committee Referred Amended to Appropriations. Appropriations Committee Referred to Senate as a Whole with Amendments. Second Reading 5/07/24 Passed with Amendments.**

HB24-1353 - Firearms Dealer Requirements & Permit
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1353
Requires FFL's to also get a $400 state dealer permit to engage in business; requires mandatory reporting and employee training; requires numerous other regulations on dealers
**PASSED House with Amendments. PASSED Senate with no Amendments 5/7/24.**

End of Session is May 8, 2024. 1 day to go.

Updated as of 5/8/24 8:44 AM.

[kidicarus13]

As of March 6, 2024, these are the current bills working their way through the legislature that directly relate to firearms.

SB24-003 - Colorado Bureau of Investigation Authority to Investigate Firearms Crimes
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-003
Senator Sullivan wants the CBI to investigate all gun crimes, set up a tip line, and investigate those tips (to include those stores that sell 30 round mags, etc).

SB24-066 - Firearms Merchant Category Code
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-066
Requires special merchant codes for firearms and ammunition purchases

SB24-131 - Prohibit Carrying Firearms in Sensitive Spaces
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-131
Prohibits from open and concealed carry in locations specified in the bill.

HB24-1123 - Funding For School Safety Firearm Detection Systems
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1123
Establishes a program to disburse money to local schools to purchase, install, and operate firearm detection software in schools.

HB24-1174 - Concealed Carry Permits & Training
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1174
Requires the Sheriff to certify instructors and lays out a required minimum amount of training to obtain a CCW

HB24-1292 - Prohibit Certain Weapons Used in Mass Shootings
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1292
Bans the sale or transfer of most firearms in Colorado

HB24-1349 - Firearms & Ammunition Excise Tax
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1349
Send for Voter Approval an initiative to tack on a 11% excise tax for firearms, firearm parts & Ammunition sales; money goes to victim assistance funding

HB24-1353 - Firearms Dealer Requirements & Permit
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1353
Requires FFL's to also get a $400 state dealer permit to engage in business; requires mandatory reporting and employee training; requires numerous other regulations on dealers

There may be more coming down the pipe. Its apparent they are going after dealers and owners of firearms and aren't hiding their distain of us.Thanks for a summary of how anti Colorado is.

[ray1970]

There may be more coming down the pipe. Its apparent they are going after dealers and owners of firearms and aren't hiding their distain of us.

Well what else can they do? Crack down on criminals and illegal activity?

[3beansalad]

IFIFY


Interesting- this state is being overrun by the homeless and 30k+ illegal immigrants.
And restricting the rights of the taxpayers is their top priority.

[.455_Hunter]

These people truly hate the concept of a responsible armed citizenry. No problem if you are a thug, however...

[TRnCO]

I see one on that list that I think I could support, otherwise it's a bunch of garbage...

[Bailey Guns]

I see one on that list that I think I could support, otherwise it's a bunch of garbage...

Seriously? Which one?

[ray1970]

Seriously? Which one?

I was wondering the same thing.

If I had to venture a guess, he fell for the typical ?it?s for the kids? thing about the software for the schools.

[OneGuy67]

I was wondering the same thing.

If I had to venture a guess, he fell for the typical ?it?s for the kids? thing about the software for the schools.

That's the only Bill being run by the Republicans. Both sponsors are Douglas County reps/senators.

[FoxtArt]

That "firearm software detection" has hallmarks of being monopolized patent lobby. This is where a individual company develops some obscure product, patents it, then greases lobbyists/legislators to pass a bill that gives them an exclusive, government forced monopoly on an entire industry. This is specially crafted so the schools can ONLY implement one provider:

FIREARM DETECTION SOFTWARE PURCHASED AND OPERATED WITH
8 PROGRAM MONEY MUST:
9 (a) BE DEVELOPED IN THE UNITED STATES WITHOUT THE USE OF
10 ANY THIRD-PARTY OR OPEN-SOURCE DATA;
11 (b) BE PROTECTED BY A PATENT ISSUED BY THE UNITED STATES
12 PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE;
13 (c) INCLUDE A TRAINING DATABASE POPULATED WITH FRAMES OF
14 ACTUAL VIDEOS OF FIREARMS TAKEN IN RELEVANT ENVIRONMENTS
15 ACROSS DIVERSE INDUSTRIES;
16 (d) BE DESIGNATED AS QUALIFIED ANTI-TERRORISM TECHNOLOGY
17 PURSUANT TO THE FEDERAL "SAFETY ACT", 6 U.S.C. SEC. 441 ET SEQ.,
18 AS AMENDED;
19 (e) BE DESIGNED TO INTEGRATE WITH A LOCAL EDUCATION
20 PROVIDER'S EXISTING SECURITY CAMERA INFRASTRUCTURE;
21 (f) BE OPERATED DIRECTLY BY THE SELLER OF THE SOFTWARE
22 USING A CONSTANTLY MONITORED OPERATIONS CENTER THAT IS STAFFED
23 BY HIGHLY TRAINED ANALYSTS TO RAPIDLY COMMUNICATE POSSIBLE
24 THREATS TO LOCAL EDUCATION PROVIDER PERSONNEL AND FIRST
25 RESPONDERS; AND
26 (g) HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY USED BY OTHER STATES, SCHOOL
27 DISTRICTS, AND COMMERCIAL USERS, AS DETERMINED BY THE OFFICE. IN
-4- HB24-1123
1 MAKING THE DETERMINATION, THE OFFICE SHALL CONSIDER
2 DEMONSTRATED SUCCESSFUL INSTALLATION, MONITORING, AND
3 REAL-WORLD DETECTIONS BY THE SOFTWARE BY OTHER USERS.

[OneGuy67]

Added two more to the list

[OneGuy67]

Added another to the list.

A lot of these will be heard in their assigned committees tomorrow and Thursday. Sign up to be heard on these in person or via Google Meets or Microsoft Teams.

[Doc45]

Maybe they?re hoping the snowstorm will keep people away from testifying on Thursday and the bills will slide through committee unfortunately. If any pass and become law expect lawsuits and hopefully at least temporary injunctions with a final defeat, though I?m not optimistic.

[kidicarus13]

Tuesday, March 19th, Capitol steps
https://youtu.be/77c6q1WjwRY?si=nuyMCIbQ7F1o7Ezb

[kidicarus13]

Prohibits leaving guns in vehicles:

https://www.ammoland.com/2024/03/colorado-house-passes-vehicle-lock-box-bill-stolen-guns-big-national-problem/#axzz8UYGvKLYf

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1348

[BladesNBarrels]

Prohibits leaving guns in vehicles:

https://www.ammoland.com/2024/03/colorado-house-passes-vehicle-lock-box-bill-stolen-guns-big-national-problem/#axzz8UYGvKLYf


Is there any consideration to exempt locking a gun in a vehicle in a safe?
As I recall, from Concealed Carry training, the first recommendation if you have children visiting your house is to lock your carry gun in the trunk of your car.
The Representatives in the Colorado Legislature are up for election every 2 years.
Time to start firing them.

[kidicarus13]

Is there any consideration to exempt locking a gun in a vehicle in a safe?
As I recall, from Concealed Carry training, the first recommendation if you have children visiting your house is to lock your carry gun in the trunk of your car.
The Representatives in the Colorado Legislature are up for election every 2 years.
Time to start firing them.https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1348

[BladesNBarrels]

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1348

The bill prohibits knowingly leaving a firearm in an unattended vehicle unless the firearm is stored in a locked hard-sided container that is not left in plain view or that is in the locked trunk of the vehicle.
Unsafe storage of a firearm in a vehicle is a civil infraction, punishable by a maximum $500 fine.

Thanks for the reference. I went down the rabbit hole looking at the multiple bills proposed.
Legislators are allowed to introduce 5 Bills per session.
Nowhere is there a requirement to introduce 5 Bills or any Bills.

[Aardvark]

Gathering at the reichchansel...er...capital tomorrow/19 March 2024, early morning. https://www.reddit.com/r/COGuns/s/i3TnQeHJGh

[OneGuy67]

Updates

[def90]

So the credit card reporting code bill passed and is on the way to the Governors desk. As far as I can tell this only applies to sales within the state so online sales would not fall under this? Also I'm assuming a prepaid one time use burner credit card would shield someone from being tracked? Or simply paying cash.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

So the credit card reporting code bill passed and is on the way to the Governors desk. As far as I can tell this only applies to sales within the state so online sales would not fall under this? Also I'm assuming a prepaid one time use burner credit card would shield someone from being tracked? Or simply paying cash.

I was wondering about that, or is the store going to ‘add’ your name to something?

In some ways they are happy to have people ‘import’ stuff if it kills local shops- and then they’ll ban imports’ of stuff after we have no local options.

This code thing is either the most evil or most useless thing ever- or worse- it may be both… The major issue I see is that they could set the limit so low that it captures anyone buying a gun and ammo, and when put with the Red Flag laws, it becomes a defacto gun confiscation. Interestingly, if you get an AWB, what exactly is the use of the code? For people buying ammo???

[eddiememphis]

The major issue I see is that they could set the limit so low that it captures anyone buying a gun and ammo, and when put with the Red Flag laws, it becomes a defacto gun confiscation. Interestingly, if you get an AWB, what exactly is the use of the code? For people buying ammo???

It will be used for a gun owner registry.

That will be sold, like all credit card data.

It will keep people on the list from getting jobs or being able to purchase things like health or homeowners insurance having been deemed to high of a risk.

[zulu01]

Is the state expecting the credit card companies to monitor purchases and then advise them when they see something they think is concerning? Who gets to define what triggers an alert?

[.455_Hunter]

Is the state expecting the credit card companies to monitor purchases and then advise them when they see something they think is concerning? Who gets to define what triggers an alert?


The bill seems useful if you have no understanding of the financial level of firearms and ammo transactions completed in this state on a daily basis. Any sort of screening system will get completely overwhelmed.

[def90]

Yeah, I don’t even think the people that passed it know how it is supposed to work, they only cite how the FBI or someone found that so and so had spent $X before committing some kind of crime. So basically the credit card history search only happened after the fact and the amount of money spent really had nothing to do with the crime itself. This could only ever be used as a tool to investigate an existing crime or to monitor a person that is already under investigation and the investigating agency has a warrant to collect this specific info. There is no way for real time purchasing info to be sent to anyone as some sort of predictive mechanism. It’s all just harassment in the end,

[Joe_K]

Sounds like a great excuse for Local Gun Shops to switch to a Cash or Trade/Barter only system for payment.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

It seems the merch code is meant to make it so that LGS could be sued? But I’m not sure how that would work/change where we are now. Unless they are going to say something like a class action lawsuit and apply the penalty according to the proportion of gun sales based on the overall reciepts??? My first thought is that this is aimed at people (and it may be used for that), but they really want to use it somehow to go after gun retailers.

[mb504]

Now you might get raided for buying the new Sika gear at Cabela's or a new boat at Bass Pro.

[Oscar77]

It seems the merch code is meant to make it so that LGS could be sued? But I?m not sure how that would work/change where we are now. Unless they are going to say something like a class action lawsuit and apply the penalty according to the proportion of gun sales based on the overall reciepts??? My first thought is that this is aimed at people (and it may be used for that), but they really want to use it somehow to go after gun retailers.

Edited: (After rereading the bill) The bill is directed towards the Merchant and the Processors. They need to put this specific code onto these purchases and if they don't they could face fines. They also could be sued if the purchases they fail to "ping" end up causing harm to a victim.

But the........ " (4) "FIREARMS MERCHANT" MEANS A BUSINESS THAT: (a) IS PHYSICALLY LOCATED IN COLORADO; " ...................means it only applies to "Merchants" located in Colorado.

For us ........easy button though: Until this gets thrown out in the courts, pay cash or old school check.


PS........... You know these "codes" have always existed? Right?
It's just that now they want (If I understand this nonsense correctly) a separate code put in specifically for guns/ammo purchases.
But these codes have been in use for a long time now.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

The use of these codes has come up recently. There was some national news and there was something in FL, IIRC? I just don’t know what the use is- either against LGS or people. How long do the records need to be kept? Who has access to them. And from what I take from the reading the law, it is if you make most of your money from firearm related sales, then all your transactions are flagged, not just the firearms ones. So Cabelas and Bass Pro might not have to use the code because they are diversified. Just buy your ammo at Wal-Mart and there is no record.

I still want to hear how this would be used.

[kidicarus13]

Just buy your ammo at Wal-Mart and there is no record.


Ya but...

96415

[eddiememphis]

It seems the merch code is meant to make it so that LGS could be sued? But I?m not sure how that would work/change where we are now. Unless they are going to say something like a class action lawsuit and apply the penalty according to the proportion of gun sales based on the overall reciepts??? My first thought is that this is aimed at people (and it may be used for that), but they really want to use it somehow to go after gun retailers.

Yup.

6-27-105. Cause of action for violations of standards of responsible conduct. (1) A person or entity that has suffered harm as a result of a firearm industry member's acts or omissions in knowing violation of section 6-27-104 may bring a civil action pursuant to this
article 27 PART 1 in a court of competent jurisdiction


Edited: (After rereading the bill) The bill is directed towards the Merchant and the Processors. They need to put this specific code onto these purchases and if they don't they could face fines. They also could be sued if the purchases they fail to "ping" end up causing harm to a victim.

But the........ " (4) "FIREARMS MERCHANT" MEANS A BUSINESS THAT: (a) IS PHYSICALLY LOCATED IN COLORADO; " ...................means it only applies to "Merchants" located in Colorado.

For us ........easy button though: Until this gets thrown out in the courts, pay cash or old school check.


PS........... You know these "codes" have always existed? Right?
It's just that now they want (If I understand this nonsense correctly) a separate code put in specifically for guns/ammo purchases.
But these codes have been in use for a long time now.

(4) "FIREARMS MERCHANT" MEANS A BUSINESS THAT:
(a) IS PHYSICALLY LOCATED IN COLORADO;
(b) ACQUIRES AND SELLS FIREARMS, FIREARM ACCESSORIES, AND FIREARM AMMUNITION WITH THE INTENTION OF MAKING A PROFIT; AND
(c) HAS ITS HIGHEST GROSS REVENUE OR EXPECTED GROSS REVENUE FROM THE COMBINED SALE IN COLORADO OF FIREARMS, FIREARM ACCESSORIES, OR FIREARM AMMUNITION, AS STATED BY THE BUSINESS TO ITS MERCHANT ACQUIRER IN THE ORDINARY COURSE OF BUSINESS.

This seems to mean large retailers like Bass Pros would be exempt.

I wonder if a store were to claim it's highest gross revenue is from sporting goods would be exempt?

A silly, poorly defined law that is open to challenges in court.

I bet Governor Polis vetos this one.

[Oscar77]

The use of these codes has come up recently. There was some national news and there was something in FL, IIRC? I just don’t know what the use is- either against LGS or people. How long do the records need to be kept? Who has access to them. And from what I take from the reading the law, it is if you make most of your money from firearm related sales, then all your transactions are flagged, not just the firearms ones. So Cabelas and Bass Pro might not have to use the code because they are diversified. Just buy your ammo at Wal-Mart and there is no record.

I still want to hear how this would be used.

Since I brought it up............ I'll respond, and explain what I meant.
For years now I have been able to go online and look at my CC expenses. I've been able to look at years worth.
When I look at it, it'll show, for example, "Gas" or "food" or "Restaurant" besides the charge.
For awhile there, it even showed nice pie charts with the charges broken down into the various groups.
They were able to do that by these "codes" being attached by the Merchant to my charges.

NOW, what this law will do is require the Merchant (LGS) to put in a specific code for a gun/ammo etc purchase and not just say........ "sporting goods".

"How long do the records need to be kept?" I don't know how long your CC company holds on to them. Ask them?
"Who has access to them." The law doesn't explain that. So I'd assume anyone with subpoena or warrant powers.
"Just buy your ammo at Wal-Mart and there is no record." I, personally, wouldn't count on some narrow interpretation of the law like that. So NO, use cash and avoid the whole mess.
"I still want to hear how this would be used." That's the million dollar question. But for now, it means.........This law will force the LGS to use these codes. If they don't, then they (The AG and the law specifically states the AG will handle enforcement) can fine them and the LGS also could be sued if the purchases they fail to "ping" end up causing harm to a victim.

[Oscar77]

Yup.

6-27-105. Cause of action for violations of standards of responsible conduct. (1) A person or entity that has suffered harm as a result of a firearm industry member's acts or omissions in knowing violation of section 6-27-104 may bring a civil action pursuant to this
article 27 PART 1 in a court of competent jurisdiction



(4) "FIREARMS MERCHANT" MEANS A BUSINESS THAT:
(a) IS PHYSICALLY LOCATED IN COLORADO;
(b) ACQUIRES AND SELLS FIREARMS, FIREARM ACCESSORIES, AND FIREARM AMMUNITION WITH THE INTENTION OF MAKING A PROFIT; AND
(c) HAS ITS HIGHEST GROSS REVENUE OR EXPECTED GROSS REVENUE FROM THE COMBINED SALE IN COLORADO OF FIREARMS, FIREARM ACCESSORIES, OR FIREARM AMMUNITION, AS STATED BY THE BUSINESS TO ITS MERCHANT ACQUIRER IN THE ORDINARY COURSE OF BUSINESS.

This seems to mean large retailers like Bass Pros would be exempt.

I wonder if a store were to claim it's highest gross revenue is from sporting goods would be exempt?

A silly, poorly defined law that is open to challenges in court.

I bet Governor Polis vetos this one.

No.
Read the entire qoute you provided........
".......6-27-105. Cause of action for violations of standards of responsible conduct. (1) A person or entity that has suffered harm as a result of a firearm industry member's acts or omissions in knowing violation of section 6-27-104 may bring a civil action pursuant to this
article 27 PART 1 in a court of competent jurisdiction....... "

This law requires a LGS to use these codes. If they don't, then they (The AG and the law specifically states the AG will handle enforcement) can fine them and the LGS also could be sued if the purchases they fail to "ping" end up causing harm to a victim.

"I wonder if a store were to claim it's highest gross revenue is from sporting goods would be exempt?"
Thats a fair question, but look at how much confusion there is on the 3 day wait thing. Some are 3 days to the hour, just day, some give an appointment time.
I'm not sure if, say Bass Pro, would risk the potential problem and just simply do it, regardless if it really applies to them or not.

"I bet Governor Polis vetos this one."
They sure are throwing a whole bunch of ### up on the wall and seeing what sticks.
I'm surprised they walked back the "safe spaces" thing............. and are hesitating on the AWB.
But as you and others have said...... there is no logic or reason here.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

The law language seems to be targeted at businesses, but that Dem that lost the kid at Aurora says that it would have caught that shooter. Interestingly, with this law and the ERPOs, you can in effect do all kinds of things:
-Limit number of guns bought per period of time
-Limit amount of ammo bought per period of time
-Limit purchasing of high end scopes

It is kind of useless if you have an AWB in place. No one can buy an AR then, and what is the difference between someone buying a handgun and 200 rounds for target or nefarious purposes? Every transaction looks the same.

And it only applies to people using a credit card…

Since Heller and Bruen have mentions about restrictions based on business practices, I expect more of these type of laws.

[def90]

This law isn't catching anyone. Despite what some lawmaker said MasterCard isn't sitting there and saying so and so card holder bought three guns last month, we better call the authorities. And the authorities need a warrant to access this information if in referral to a specific person

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

On the guns storage in vehicles , if you have an SUV and are taking guns to and from the range, what are you supposed to do if you don’t have a trunk?

Still not sure what a lock box or trunk gets you. I guess it keeps people from rummaging through and grabbing guns, but if they steal they steal the car, they’ll have plenty of time to work on any storage solution,,,,

[.455_Hunter]

On the guns storage in vehicles , if you have an SUV and are taking guns to and from the range, what are you supposed to do if you don?t have a trunk?


If you are in the vehicle, or I would assume it's immediate vicinity (like standing next to it), the firearms are not unattended. Parking in front of a Colfax 7-11, locking the SUV, and going in to take a dump would not be acceptable per this legislation.

[FoxtArt]

The purpose is likely so they can do blanket subpoenas against the card issuers to identify a list of people who have spent in excess of $______ / month or ____ number of transactions in stores in their jurisdiction. Whether or not the card companies comply with that kind of crap, anyone's guess. It would be similar to the blanket search engine subpoenas where LEO agencies were looking for anyone that googled something specifically amoral.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Once again, the wheat from the chaff, and when LEOs/CBI start showing at normals houses because they bought an 870 and a box of shells, what a waste. And like I said, if they pass the AWB, this is even less useful.

So, set up two entities. One sells gift cards which you can buy with a credit card, and those gift cards can be used anywhere they are accepted, which just happen to be gun stores. OR just buy crypto with your card? I played with crypto for a few bucks years ago just to understand it, but maybe you can’t use a CC to buy it. Buy gold coins with a CC and have them accepted by LGS? I have to think that the sex worker industry has some ‘tricks’ (HA) that we could borrow.

Deep breath- trying to make sense of this is like trying to parse out the ‘rationale’ that tranny mass shooter had for shooting up a school. Crazy is the feature, not the bug.

[FoxtArt]

I mean, isn't cash the obvious answer for LGS? And if you buy from a LGS online that isn't in Colorado, will they care about non-compliance with CO requested merchant codes? Lol. I agree it's entirely dumb.

[.455_Hunter]

So before the end of session on the 8th, where do we stand on all of these? What's headed to the governor, what's on life support, what's dead and what never got introduced?

The AW ban is dead at least, and I don't think the unincorporated private property shooting ban got introduced.r

[kbbeckius]

Got any opinions on the CBI empowerment bill?

Section 1(b) mentions "unlawful activity involving illegal firearm components and accessories"

So this gonna be used to go after those magazines your LGS is selling?

Thx kbbeckius

[kidicarus13]

Got any opinions on the CBI empowerment bill?

Section 1(b) mentions "unlawful activity involving illegal firearm components and accessories"

So this gonna be used to go after those magazines your LGS is selling?

Thx kbbeckiusAlong with many other areas of non-compliance, including investigating those applicants that got their BGC denied. Good times, good times.

[.455_Hunter]

Got any opinions on the CBI empowerment bill?

Section 1(b) mentions "unlawful activity involving illegal firearm components and accessories"

So this gonna be used to go after those magazines your LGS is selling?

Thx kbbeckius


Yup- They will absolutely target shops that sell mags above 15 rounds to people without proper credentials. Undercovers will be used. The "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" of the past 11 years is over if signed into law, and complements the state licensing oversight nicely. I also suspect that citizen possession of post-6/13 dated mags or mags not yet released by 6/13 will be pursued if politically acceptable. I am actually surprised it took this long. The Moms Desperate for More Action have been squealing about "Deplorables can still buy high-capacity bullet shell assault clips" ever since the whole "magazine repair kit" thing started happening.

[.455_Hunter]

Along with many other areas of non-compliance, including investigating those applicants that got their BGC denied. Good times, good times.


That will get rolled back in enforcement if certain preferred demographic groups are being ensnared at non-population ratio rates.

[eddiememphis]

HB24-1349 Ammo Tax

Kevin Van Winkle (R) proposed lowering it to 2.5%. Voice vote no.
He also proposed exemption for vets (no) and domestic violence victims (no)

Edit-

Just passed on a voice vote where the NOs were much louder than the YESes.

[.455_Hunter]

HB24-1349 Ammo Tax

Kevin Van Winkle (R) proposed lowering it to 2.5%. Voice vote no.
He also proposed exemption for vets (no) and domestic violence victims (no)


Not surprising- Domestic violence victims should entrust their lives to paper restraining orders and veterans, excluding the woke ones like Jason Crow, are definitely a target for these bills.

[eddiememphis]

Not surprising- Domestic violence victims should entrust their lives to paper restraining orders and veterans, excluding the woke ones like Jason Crow, are definitely a target for these bills.

To be honest, how would that be enforceable? Show your literal victim card at the checkout at Bass Pros?

They were just tossing things in there to gum up the works but numbers don't lie- the Democrat majority passed the bill and it will be voted on in November.

I bet that it will pass in the election, judging by all the other silly garbage voters have passed recently.

Fortunately, I started loading a couple years ago and ammo components aren't on the list... yet.

[bellavite1]

Back to the bills status:
Where are we on the liability insurance bill?
Or are ALL unsigned bills dead now?
And if so, what has been signed?

[OneGuy67]

For those who are unable to do their own research:

SB24-003 - Colorado Bureau of Investigation Authority to Investigate Firearms Crimes
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-003
Senator Sullivan wants the CBI to investigate all gun crimes, set up a tip line, and investigate those tips (to include those stores that sell 30 round mags, etc).
**PASSED Through Senate With Amendments. PASSED Through House with Amendments. Senate Concurred with House Amendments. Sent to Governor 5/7/24**

SB24-066 - Firearms Merchant Category Code
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-066
Requires special merchant codes for firearms and ammunition purchases
**PASSED Through Senate, PASSED Though House. Governor Signed 5/1/24**

SB24-131 - Prohibit Carrying Firearms in Sensitive Spaces
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-131
Prohibits from open and concealed carry in locations specified in the bill.
**PASSED Through Senate With Amendments. PASSED Through House With Amendments. Senate Concurred with House Amendments. Sent to Governor 5/7/24**

HB24-1123 - Funding For School Safety Firearm Detection Systems
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1123
Establishes a program to disburse money to local schools to purchase, install, and operate firearm detection software in schools.
**Introduced in House - Assigned to Education Committee. 3/21/24 Education Committee referred Amended to Appropriations. Died in Committee.**

HB24-1174 - Concealed Carry Permits & Training
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1174
Requires the Sheriff to certify instructors and lays out a required minimum amount of training to obtain a CCW
**PASSED Through House With Minor Changes, PASSED Through Senate Unamended. Has not yet been signed by Senate President and Not Yet Sent to Governor for Signature**

HB24-1270 - Firearm Liability Insurance Requirement
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1270
Requires Firearms owners to maintain liability insurance to cover losses or damages to person other than the policyholder
**PASSED Through House with Amendments. Introduced in Senate, Assigned to State, Veterans, & Military Affairs Committee 4/22/24. Passed Committee 4/24/24 with amendments. Sent to Senate Committee of the Whole. Passed Second Reading 4/26/24 with amendments. Third Reading 5/8/24**

HB24-1292 - Prohibit Certain Weapons Used in Mass Shootings
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1292
Bans the sale or transfer of most firearms in Colorado
**PASSED in House 4/14/24. Picked up Senate Sponsor. Introduced in Senate on 4/18/24. Assigned to State, Veteran, & Military Affairs Committee. Postponed Indefinitely.**

HB24-1310 - School Safety Measures
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1310
Establishes the minimum training necessary to be a school security officer or school resource officer
**Introduced in House, Assigned to Education Committee 4/11/24 - Postponed Indefinitely**

HB24-1348 - Secure Firearm Storage in a Vehicle
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1348
Prohibits knowingly leaving an unsecured firearm in a vehicle
**PASSED Through House with Amendments. PASSED Through Senate with Amendments. House Considering Senate Amendments 4/25/24. House did not Concur with Amendments - Requested Conference Committee. First Conference Committee Adopted Rerevised With Amendments 5/1/24. House Consideration of First Conference Committee Report Rejected 5/4/24. Second Conference Committee Result Adopted Rerevised with Amendments 5/7/24.**

HB24-1349 - Firearms & Ammunition Excise Tax
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1349
Send for Voter Approval an initiative to tack on a 11% excise tax for firearms, firearm parts & Ammunition sales; money goes to victim assistance funding
**PASSED House with Amendments. Introduced in Senate, Assigned to Finance Committee. Finance Committee Referred Amended to Appropriations. Appropriations Committee Referred to Senate as a Whole with Amendments. Second Reading 5/07/24 Passed with Amendments.**

HB24-1353 - Firearms Dealer Requirements & Permit
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1353
Requires FFL's to also get a $400 state dealer permit to engage in business; requires mandatory reporting and employee training; requires numerous other regulations on dealers
**PASSED House with Amendments. PASSED Senate with no Amendments 5/7/24.**

End of Session is May 8, 2024. 1 day to go.

Updated as of 5/8/24 8:44 AM.

[eddiememphis]

Depressing.

There were over 700 bill proposed this year. Curious to see how many will become law.

Edit- 171 signed into law so far.

[Doc45]

In addition to all of this bullshit how in the hell is the liability insurance supposed to work??

[OneGuy67]

In addition to all of this bullshit how in the hell is the liability insurance supposed to work??

BILL SUMMARY

The bill requires firearm owners to maintain a liability insurance policy that covers losses or damages to a person, other than the policyholder, who is injured as a result of any accidental or unintentional discharge of the firearm (firearm liability insurance). Failure to maintain a firearm liability insurance policy is a civil infraction. A first offense is punishable by a minimum $500 fine, half of which may be suspended if the person has obtained firearm liability insurance. A second offense within 5 years of a prior offense is punishable by a minimum $1,000 fine. It is an affirmative defense to the civil infraction that the person was denied firearm liability insurance by 2 or more insurers or is indigent and cannot afford the insurance; is likely to behave prudently and safely in the storage, carrying, and use of a firearm; and has a gun safe or other secure container to store the firearm.

The bill permits a person who was denied firearm liability insurance by 2 or more insurers or a person who is indigent and cannot afford the insurance to petition a court for an order declaring that the person is excused from the firearm liability insurance requirement. The court shall issue the order if it finds that the person is likely to behave prudently and safely in the storage, carrying, and use of a firearm and that the person has a gun safe or other secure container to store the firearm. The requirement to maintain firearm liability insurance does not apply to a person who holds a valid court order declaring the person is excused from the requirement.


The bill requires an insurer to make available to an applicant the opportunity to include in a homeowners or renters insurance policy coverage that satisfies the firearm liability insurance requirement. An insurer may deny firearm liability coverage to an applicant based on the insurer's individualized assessment of the risk related to covering the applicant. The bill prohibits an insurer from asking for, or requiring an insured to provide the serial number or any other information about the specific firearms that the insured owns as a condition of issuing the liability insurance policy.

[.455_Hunter]

BILL SUMMARY

The bill requires firearm owners to maintain a liability insurance policy that covers losses or damages to a person, other than the policyholder, who is injured as a result of any accidental or unintentional discharge of the firearm (firearm liability insurance). Failure to maintain a firearm liability insurance policy is a civil infraction. A first offense is punishable by a minimum $500 fine, half of which may be suspended if the person has obtained firearm liability insurance. A second offense within 5 years of a prior offense is punishable by a minimum $1,000 fine. It is an affirmative defense to the civil infraction that the person was denied firearm liability insurance by 2 or more insurers or is indigent and cannot afford the insurance; is likely to behave prudently and safely in the storage, carrying, and use of a firearm; and has a gun safe or other secure container to store the firearm.

The bill permits a person who was denied firearm liability insurance by 2 or more insurers or a person who is indigent and cannot afford the insurance to petition a court for an order declaring that the person is excused from the firearm liability insurance requirement. The court shall issue the order if it finds that the person is likely to behave prudently and safely in the storage, carrying, and use of a firearm and that the person has a gun safe or other secure container to store the firearm. The requirement to maintain firearm liability insurance does not apply to a person who holds a valid court order declaring the person is excused from the requirement.


The bill requires an insurer to make available to an applicant the opportunity to include in a homeowners or renters insurance policy coverage that satisfies the firearm liability insurance requirement. An insurer may deny firearm liability coverage to an applicant based on the insurer's individualized assessment of the risk related to covering the applicant. The bill prohibits an insurer from asking for, or requiring an insured to provide the serial number or any other information about the specific firearms that the insured owns as a condition of issuing the liability insurance policy.

RMGO thinks this one is dead too based scheduling crunch. Maybe, maybe not?

[bellavite1]

Ok, so if something isn't signed by the governor by the end of today it's not happening (at least this year)?

[OneGuy67]

Ok, so if something isn't signed by the governor by the end of today it's not happening (at least this year)?

No, it must be signed by the Senate President and sent to the Governor by the end of the day. The Governor then has 30 days to sign it, veto it or not sign it and allow it to become law without his endorsement.

If the Governor Fails to sign a bill within 10 days upon receiving a bill while the General Assembly is in session or within 30 days if the General Assembly is adjourned, the bill becomes Colorado Law

[bellavite1]

Thanks for the explanation [Beer]

[kidicarus13]

HB24-1349 Firearms and Ammo Excise Tax



Passed 18-15.

A very telling comment from Representative Tom Sullivan from the House Floor prior to the final vote, "This will be the cornerstone of what we will be doing moving forward. This will be the basis for things we can do moving forward."

You've been warned[emoji3544]

...again.

[eddiememphis]

What are the chances of 1349 NOT passing in November?

Pretty slim in my opinion.

Gun owners tend to lean right of center and vote against tax increases on general principles.

Those on the left are usually anti-gun and pro-government. This will check both boxes.

As usual, the wishy-washy middle will decide this one, thus the pronouncement "...tax revenue to be spent for mental health services, including for military veterans and at-risk youth, school safety and gun violence prevention, and support services for victims of domestic violence and other violent crimes..."

Who doesn't want safe kids and less violence?

It matters not one little bit that this tax increase will not make anyone safer.

Politics is about feelings, not facts.

[BPTactical]

No, it must be signed by the Senate President and sent to the Governor by the end of the day. The Governor then has 30 days to sign it, veto it or not sign it and allow it to become law without his endorsement.

If the Governor Fails to sign a bill within 10 days upon receiving a bill while the General Assembly is in session or within 30 days if the General Assembly is adjourned, the bill becomes Colorado Law

The chickenshit option.

[.455_Hunter]

The chickenshit option.

Yup- Why is that even an option?

[Doc45]

Thanks OneGuy67. Now the state has given insurance companies free rein to overcharge us even more, lovely.

[def90]

So the insurance bill states that you need gun liability insurance but doesn't specify what qualifies as gun liability insurance. I would assume that USCCA or CCWSafe should qualify? What do those plans cost? More or less than the $500 fine? What would be the odds that it would ever be an issue? Just sleep in a tent for a couple days and find a friendly court to proclaim that you are exempt from this law?

[.455_Hunter]

So the insurance bill states that you need gun liability insurance but doesn't specify what qualifies as gun liability insurance. I would assume that USCCA or CCWSafe should qualify? What do those plans cost? More or less than the $500 fine? What would be the odds that it would ever be an issue? Just sleep in a tent for a couple days and find a friendly court to proclaim that you are exempt from this law?


The bill website says it's still "under consideration". It's not passed yet and the last RMGO update said it's "dead".

[eddiememphis]

Senate Second Reading Laid Over to 05/08/2024 - No Amendments

That is the only info I can find on two different sources.

I think this one quietly died.

[def90]

The bill website says it's still "under consideration". It's not passed yet and the last RMGO update said it's "dead".

Ok, for some reason on the post above with the updates I thought that I read that it had passed

[BladesNBarrels]

So the insurance bill states that you need gun liability insurance but doesn't specify what qualifies as gun liability insurance. I would assume that USCCA or CCWSafe should qualify? What do those plans cost? More or less than the $500 fine? What would be the odds that it would ever be an issue? Just sleep in a tent for a couple days and find a friendly court to proclaim that you are exempt from this law?

David Kopel and Jon Caldera discussed this a couple of weeks ago on the Channel 12 Devil's Advocate Show.
Mr Kopel said this bill would require you to carry a copy of your Home Insurance policy that covers your liability.
When the police officer did not see firearms listed in the policy, you would be cited.
Then, you would have to hire a lawyer, go to court, and have a judge rule that a Home Insurance Policy does cover liability for firearms, and most other things that can happen.
The real burden, according Mr. Kopel, is that any police officer, at any time, could require you to provide proof of insurance.
Another example of people, with good intentions, writing legislation about subjects they do not know anything about.

[Coffee]

[buffalobo]

Copied from RMGO email.

Here is where we ended up with what turned out to be ELEVEN gun control bills filed this session.

HB24-1292 ?Assault Weapons? Ban?? Died in Senate State Affairs Committee Unanimously

SB24-131 ?Church Carry Ban??? Sent to Governor?s Desk

HB24-1348 ?Safe Storage in Vehicles??? Sent to Governor?s Desk

SB24-066 ?Gun Purchase Tracking??? Signed into Law by the Governor

SB24-003 ?CBI Gestapo??? Sent to the Governor?s Desk

HB24-1174 ?Live-fire Concealed Carry??? Sent to the Governor?s Desk

HB24-1270 ?Liability Insurance Mandate??? Died on the Calendar

HB24-1353 ?Gun Shop Extinction??? Sent to the Governors Desk

HB24-1310 ?Disarming School Safety Officers??? Died in the House Education Committee

HB24-1349 ?Guns and Ammo Tax??? Sent to the Governor?s Desk





If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[.455_Hunter]

Copied from RMGO email.

Here is where we ended up with what turned out to be ELEVEN gun control bills filed this session.

HB24-1292 ?Assault Weapons? Ban?? Died in Senate State Affairs Committee Unanimously

SB24-131 ?Church Carry Ban??? Sent to Governor?s Desk

HB24-1348 ?Safe Storage in Vehicles??? Sent to Governor?s Desk

SB24-066 ?Gun Purchase Tracking??? Signed into Law by the Governor

SB24-003 ?CBI Gestapo??? Sent to the Governor?s Desk

HB24-1174 ?Live-fire Concealed Carry??? Sent to the Governor?s Desk

HB24-1270 ?Liability Insurance Mandate??? Died on the Calendar

HB24-1353 ?Gun Shop Extinction??? Sent to the Governors Desk

HB24-1310 ?Disarming School Safety Officers??? Died in the House Education Committee

HB24-1349 ?Guns and Ammo Tax??? Sent to the Governor?s Desk





If you're unarmed, you are a victim.


The "Church Carry Ban" isn't quite correctly titled. It's infringements were reduced to government authority buildings, colleges, and polling places. With my spouse working at a college and my son starting college in the fall, this new restriction will require some contemplation.

[def90]

Wonder how the carry ban on college campuses will hold up in court seeing that that law was already challenged years ago in Colorado and the courts ruled that it was unconstitutional to ban carrying on campus.

[O2HeN2]

Wonder how the carry ban on college campuses will hold up in court seeing that that law was already challenged years ago in Colorado and the courts ruled that it was unconstitutional to ban carrying on campus.

That was when preemption was the law of the land. The Dems got rid of that last year.

O2

[funkymonkey1111]

Vehicle storage law signed today

https://kdvr.com/news/politics/colorado-politics-news/new-law-mandates-secure-firearm-storage-in-vehicles/