HB24-1174 Concealed Carry Permits & Training

[Joe_K]

To Read it from the source: https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1174

http://https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1174

Concerning permits to carry a concealed handgun, and, in connection therewith, establishing standards for concealed handgun training classes.
SESSION: 2024 Regular Session
SUBJECT: Crimes, Corrections, & Enforcement
BILL SUMMARY
Under existing law, an applicant for a permit to carry a concealed handgun (permit) must demonstrate competence with a handgun, which the applicant may do by completing a handgun training class (initial class) offered by a verified instructor. Beginning July 1, 2025, the bill requires concealed handgun training classes to be held in person and include instruction regarding:

Knowledge and safe handling of firearms and ammunition;
Safe storage of firearms and child safety;
Safe firearms shooting fundamentals;
Federal and state laws pertaining to the lawful purchase, ownership, transportation, use, and possession of firearms;
State law pertaining to the use of deadly force for self-defense; and
Techniques for avoiding a criminal attack and how to manage a violent confrontation, including conflict resolution and judgmental use of lethal force.
A student must achieve a passing score on a written concealed handgun competency exam and in a live-fire exercise to complete an initial class. An initial class must provide at least 8 hours of instruction, including the live-fire exercise and written exam.

The bill requires completion of an initial class or a concealed handgun refresher class (refresher class) for renewal of a permit, unless an exemption applies. A student in a refresher class must demonstrate safety and competence with a handgun. The refresher class must be held in person, be taught by a verified instructor, include instruction on changes to laws related to firearms, and require a passing score on a live-fire exercise and written exam. A refresher class must provide at least 2 hours of instruction, including the live-fire exercise and written exam.

The bill requires the Colorado bureau of investigation to verify class instructors.

The bill allows a person to demonstrate competence with a handgun by holding a current certification as a peace officer. The bill prohibits a person from being issued a permit if the person was convicted of certain misdemeanor offenses within 5 years before submitting a permit application.

The bill makes it a deceptive trade practice for a person to claim to be a verified instructor for a concealed handgun training class unless the person is verified as a firearms instructor by the Colorado bureau of investigation.

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[theGinsue]

They'd better nip this in the bud real fast or I see some recall elections coming out.

[Great-Kazoo]

To Read it from the source: https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1174

http://https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1174

Concerning permits to carry a concealed handgun, and, in connection therewith, establishing standards for concealed handgun training classes.
SESSION: 2024 Regular Session
SUBJECT: Crimes, Corrections, & Enforcement
BILL SUMMARY
Under existing law, an applicant for a permit to carry a concealed handgun (permit) must demonstrate competence with a handgun, which the applicant may do by completing a handgun training class (initial class) offered by a verified instructor. Beginning July 1, 2025, the bill requires concealed handgun training classes to be held in person and include instruction regarding:

Knowledge and safe handling of firearms and ammunition;
Safe storage of firearms and child safety;
Safe firearms shooting fundamentals;
Federal and state laws pertaining to the lawful purchase, ownership, transportation, use, and possession of firearms;
State law pertaining to the use of deadly force for self-defense; and
Techniques for avoiding a criminal attack and how to manage a violent confrontation, including conflict resolution and judgmental use of lethal force.
A student must achieve a passing score on a written concealed handgun competency exam and in a live-fire exercise to complete an initial class. An initial class must provide at least 8 hours of instruction, including the live-fire exercise and written exam.

The bill requires completion of an initial class or a concealed handgun refresher class (refresher class) for renewal of a permit, unless an exemption applies. A student in a refresher class must demonstrate safety and competence with a handgun. The refresher class must be held in person, be taught by a verified instructor, include instruction on changes to laws related to firearms, and require a passing score on a live-fire exercise and written exam. A refresher class must provide at least 2 hours of instruction, including the live-fire exercise and written exam.

The bill requires the Colorado bureau of investigation to verify class instructors.

The bill allows a person to demonstrate competence with a handgun by holding a current certification as a peace officer. The bill prohibits a person from being issued a permit if the person was convicted of certain misdemeanor offenses within 5 years before submitting a permit application.

The bill makes it a deceptive trade practice for a person to claim to be a verified instructor for a concealed handgun training class unless the person is verified as a firearms instructor by the Colorado bureau of investigation.

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IIRC, unless you were an attorney or LE. You could not discuss the "Legalities" part of C.R.S. for use of deadly force.

Looks like every instructor better get a firearm knowledgeable attorney and ins.

The first time someone uses any of those suggestions, as taught in class. Their instructor is FUKED! Same for those who vote YES on this.

One way to CYA, is record your curriculum, then play it for the lecture part. This way it's consistent across all classes.

Or do what they hope you will. Stop teaching CCW classes.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Bad enough. Interesting to see what the test and shooting standards are? Just cut and paste the State Police standard or something?

Is there also a ‘sensitive places’ bill or section that is being considered also?

[TEAMRICO]

Do criminals have to show certification and all this as well? Just curious to know how they think this stops crime.
Hey, a 15 year old Venezuelas illegal kid was able to get a gun and use it in New York.

[.455_Hunter]

Do criminals have to show certification and all this as well? Just curious to know how they think this stops crime.
Hey, a 15 year old Venezuelas illegal kid was able to get a gun and use it in New York.


Our legislators are far more concerned about restricting moral, self-reliant, and responsible armed citizens than armed criminals.

[hollohas]

Is there also a ?sensitive places? bill or section that is being considered also?

Senate Bill 24-131

Would ban concealed carry in public parks, community centers, churches, hospitals (or any medical or health facility), banks, meseums, liquor stores, any property owned or leased by state or local government, adjacent parking lots of any of these places and other "sensitive areas" like any place a government meeting occurs, regardless of the government owns or leases it.

Another, SB 24-003 would allow CBI to investigate guns crimes...you know, to 'help' local law enforcement that is understaffed. But really, it's to bypass the local sheriff's who won't prosecute these new or future gun laws.


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[TRnCO]

seems to me we already have a standard for obtaining a concealed carry license. Seems to me all this does is add more hoops for the avg. citizen to jump through, and will in the end cost us more money too. Always about more money!!! For the children of course....

Curious, is this bill needed because legally carrying citizens are shooting up joints? Kids dyeing because we're not locking up our guns?

And as was already mentioned, how many criminals are going to take these classes?

[theGinsue]

These bills are NOT about deterring or stopping criminals - they exist for 2 reasons only.
(1) To make it more difficult, time consuming and costly for you to exercise your Constitutional right and thereby dissuade you from choosing to exercise said right.
(2) To the "costly" mentioned above, this increases the states coffers.

[Hummer]

Senate Bill 24-131

Would ban concealed carry in public parks, community centers, churches, hospitals (or any medical or health facility), banks, museums, liquor stores, any property owned or leased by state or local government, adjacent parking lots of any of these places and other "sensitive areas" like any place a government meeting occurs, regardless of the government owns or leases it.


They've got to make the world safe for mass murdering trannies who target churches.




Another, SB 24-003 would allow CBI to investigate guns crimes...you know, to 'help' local law enforcement that is understaffed. But really, it's to bypass the local sheriff's who won't prosecute these new or future gun laws.


Exactly.

[newracer]

Senate Bill 24-131

Would ban concealed carry in public parks, community centers, churches, hospitals (or any medical or health facility), banks, meseums, liquor stores, any property owned or leased by state or local government, adjacent parking lots of any of these places and other "sensitive areas" like any place a government meeting occurs, regardless of the government owns or leases it.

Another, SB 24-003 would allow CBI to investigate guns crimes...you know, to 'help' local law enforcement that is understaffed. But really, it's to bypass the local sheriff's who won't prosecute these new or future gun laws.


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RMGO has sent a cease and desist tot eh legislature and Polis for 24-131 based on similar bill being found unconstitutional in other states.

[Joe_K]

These bills are NOT about deterring or stopping criminals - they exist for 2 reasons only.
(1) To make it more difficult, time consuming and costly for you to exercise your Constitutional right and thereby dissuade you from choosing to exercise said right.
(2) To the "costly" mentioned above, this increases the states coffers.

Could we merge all the various threads about ongoing/proposed Gun laws into one thread? Or would that get too confusing?

[Joe_K]

Out of committee. Still in the pipeline. Heard some of the testimony yesterday live from people in favor, they had 5-6 people. The people were the usual suspects. Females. Certain Minority group. High school students. Working for Everytown.

https://coloradonewsline.com/2024/02/14/bill-colorado-concealed-carry-training/

[kidicarus13]

Out of committee. Still in the pipeline. Heard some of the testimony yesterday live from people in favor, they had 5-6 people. The people were the usual suspects. Females. Certain Minority group. High school students. Working for Everytown.

https://coloradonewsline.com/2024/02/14/bill-colorado-concealed-carry-training/A terrible person to have voting on any pro-gun legislation.95911

[arbol]

It's funny. I can concealed carry most places, but Post Offices, known for people going postal, and schools, known for school shootings.

-John

[00tec]

Senate Bill 24-131

Would ban concealed carry in public parks, community centers, churches, hospitals (or any medical or health facility), banks, meseums, liquor stores, any property owned or leased by state or local government, adjacent parking lots of any of these places and other "sensitive areas" like any place a government meeting occurs, regardless of the government owns or leases it.

Interesting that liquor stores are listed, but bars arent.aren't. That's not even allowed in TX (with very few exceptions- I'm an exception at one place).

[beast556]

Have these bills made any head way??? I cant find anything.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I thought that there were a lot of changes. When you add parking lots of these places, that means you can’t visit these places and just leave your gun in the car- and have to have it secured as per the other law.

[def90]

Interesting that liquor stores are listed, but bars arent.aren't. That's not even allowed in TX (with very few exceptions- I'm an exception at one place).

Can't possess a firearm while under the influence so maybe that already covers the bar thing?

[.455_Hunter]

I believe this got watered down to college restrictions only, which is bad enough. Eventually, you just stop caring.

[OneGuy67]

For those too lazy to do their own research.

SB24-003 - Colorado Bureau of Investigation Authority to Investigate Firearms Crimes
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-003
Senator Sullivan wants the CBI to investigate all gun crimes, set up a tip line, and investigate those tips (to include those stores that sell 30 round mags, etc).
**PASSED Through Senate With Minor Changes, Assigned to House Judiciary Committee. Passed Judiciary Committee on 4/10/24 with two amendments. Referred to Appropriations Committee 4/23/24 7:30 AM**

SB24-066 - Firearms Merchant Category Code
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-066
Requires special merchant codes for firearms and ammunition purchases
**PASSED Through Senate, PASSED Though House. On Governor's Desk for Signature**

SB24-131 - Prohibit Carrying Firearms in Sensitive Spaces
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-131
Prohibits from open and concealed carry in locations specified in the bill.
**PASSED Senate. 4/5/24 Introduced in House - Assigned to Judiciary Committee. Judiciary Committee passed it unamended. Referred to Appropriations Committee on 4/19/24. Passed Appropriations Committee unamended. Referred to the Whole House 4/22/24. Laid over until 4/23/24**

HB24-1123 - Funding For School Safety Firearm Detection Systems
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1123
Establishes a program to disburse money to local schools to purchase, install, and operate firearm detection software in schools.
**Introduced in House - Assigned to Education Committee. 3/21/24 Education Committee referred Amended to Appropriations**

HB24-1174 - Concealed Carry Permits & Training
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1174
Requires the Sheriff to certify instructors and lays out a required minimum amount of training to obtain a CCW
**PASSED Through House With Minor Changes, PASSED Through Senate Unamended. Sent to Governor for Signature**

HB24-1270 - Firearm Liability Insurance Requirement
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1270
Requires Firearms owners to maintain liability insurance to cover losses or damages to person other than the policyholder
**PASSED Through House with Amendments. Introduced in Senate, Assigned to State, Veterans, & Military Affairs Committee 4/22/24. No Date Set Yet for Hearing.**

HB24-1292 - Prohibit Certain Weapons Used in Mass Shootings
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1292
Bans the sale or transfer of most firearms in Colorado
**PASSED in House 4/14/24. Picked up Senate Sponsor. Introduced in Senate on 4/18/24. Assigned to State, Veteran, & Military Affairs Committee. No Hearing Date Set yet.**

HB24-1310 - School Safety Measures
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1310
Establishes the minimum training necessary to be a school security officer or school resource officer
**Introduced in House, Assigned to Education Committee 4/11/24 - Postponed Indefinitely**

HB24-1348 - Secure Firearm Storage in a Vehicle
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1348
Prohibits knowingly leaving an unsecured firearm in a vehicle
**PASSED Through House with Amendments. PASSED Through Senate with Amendments. Sent to Governor for Signature**

HB24-1349 - Firearms & Ammunition Excise Tax
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1349
Send for Voter Approval an initiative to tack on a 11% excise tax for firearms, firearm parts & Ammunition sales; money goes to victim assistance funding
**PASSED House with Amendments. Introduced in Senate, Assigned to Finance Committee 4/22/24. No Date Set Yet for Hearing.**

HB24-1353 - Firearms Dealer Requirements & Permit
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1353
Requires FFL's to also get a $400 state dealer permit to engage in business; requires mandatory reporting and employee training; requires numerous other regulations on dealers
**PASSED House with Amendments. Introduced in Senate, Assigned to Finance Committee 4/22/24. No Date Set Yet for Hearing.**

[arbol]

That's a lot of ignoring the second amendment.

-John

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Did I miss what kind of target conditions are for the 70%? Or will it be different for different counties?