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eddiememphis
05-30-2024, 15:09
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/may-30-trump-trial-jury-deliberations-day-2
https://nypost.com/2024/05/30/us-news/donald-trump-convicted-of-illegally-fudging-business-records-in-historic-manhattan-hush-money-case/
Trump found guilty on all charges.
Who could have imagined that?
BPTactical
05-30-2024, 15:29
Election system DOA 11-3-2020
Justice system DOA 5-30-2024
This is going to be interesting to see how this plays out in November
The justice system died a long, long time ago, though this case is not testament to that in any fashion in either way.
The only reason people believe that is because the conservative party stopped being conservative and a portion of the base started worshiping a shitbag.
No, he did not murder anyone. But there's no arguing he did f the porn star and did try to fenagle financial records. Which is exactly what he was charged for, so I'm confused... what is the problem? In the grand comparative scheme of things, no, it's not the biggest charge out there that should bring a politician in. But here's the thing...
He did it.
Normal people also get prosecuted for far, far less. Is Trump special cause he should be able to buy off a prosecutor or something? Is it unfair because it's not Trump supporters prosecuting him? Guess what, if a prosecutor dislikes you, you get charged too. That's 99% of the judicial system. I'd be more pissed off if Trump was exempted from it.
Get better candidates. You know, ones that don't bang porn stars and brag about grabbing women by the pussy, have multiple affairs, etc. Maybe one that has actually read a page of the faith they claim to be a part of and doesn't try to quote "Two Corinthians".
And yes, I'm aware that other candidates of gotten away with crimes. That NEVER supports an argument that "another" candidate should "also" get away with crimes.
Literally, support a candidate that doesn't commit crimes, 101.
eddiememphis
05-30-2024, 16:31
No, he did not murder anyone. But there's no arguing he did f the porn star and did try to fenagle financial records. Which is exactly what he was charged for, so I'm confused... what is the problem? In the grand comparative scheme of things, no, it's not the biggest charge out there that should bring a politician in. But here's the thing...
He did it.
Normal people also get prosecuted for far, far less.
Well sure, he's a shitbag and always has been.
But you can't argue this was a normal prosecution.
The prosecutor ran on, and was elected because of his vow to get Trump. The charges were past the statute of limitations so they made them into felonies so they could try him. And they never made a solid case that this was election fraud.
I don't care about his guilt, it is the overt weaponization of the process that concerns me.
On a separate note, it's fun to look at various news sites and read the comments. HuffPost has people pissing themselves with glee. Breitbart has people calling for war and death of "libtards".
I hope Trump is put in prison and is "Epsteined."
Not because I dislike him, but because that seems the only thing likely to provoke millions of loudmouthed do-nothings to show these Commie degenerate kidtouchers what "Revolution" actually looks like.
It will likely start with a military coup, rapidly escalating to a full on Purge... which actually seems a lot better than Balkanization.
Delfuego
05-30-2024, 17:17
Like rich people do any time [ROFL2]
Jail is for us poors...
I am not at all surprised... [panic] [Dunno]
The justice system died a long, long time ago, though this case is not testament to that in any fashion in either way.
The only reason people believe that is because the conservative party stopped being conservative and a portion of the base started worshiping a shitbag.
No, he did not murder anyone. But there's no arguing he did f the porn star and did try to fenagle financial records. Which is exactly what he was charged for, so I'm confused... what is the problem? In the grand comparative scheme of things, no, it's not the biggest charge out there that should bring a politician in. But here's the thing...
He did it.
Normal people also get prosecuted for far, far less. Is Trump special cause he should be able to buy off a prosecutor or something? Is it unfair because it's not Trump supporters prosecuting him? Guess what, if a prosecutor dislikes you, you get charged too. That's 99% of the judicial system. I'd be more pissed off if Trump was exempted from it.
Get better candidates. You know, ones that don't bang porn stars and brag about grabbing women by the pussy, have multiple affairs, etc. Maybe one that has actually read a page of the faith they claim to be a part of and doesn't try to quote "Two Corinthians".
And yes, I'm aware that other candidates of gotten away with crimes. That NEVER supports an argument that "another" candidate should "also" get away with crimes.
Literally, support a candidate that doesn't commit crimes, 101.
Better candidates, who would that be? I think maybe you are hoping for something that has never existed. The people that run for office have always been narcissists, the Internet era has just brought it all in to the open. The person you are looking for wants nothing to do with politics or holding a public office.
I like what Nick Freitas is doing/saying on social media. I seem to have a lot in common with him.
buffalobo
05-30-2024, 22:05
I like what Nick Freitas is doing/saying on social media. I seem to have a lot in common with him.+1
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
Better candidates, who would that be? I think maybe you are hoping for something that has never existed. The people that run for office have always been narcissists, the Internet era has just brought it all in to the open. The person you are looking for wants nothing to do with politics or holding a public office.
Not disagreeing (that the wrong people seek office), but the bigger problem is how manipulatable the masses are - including many or even a majority of the GOP. It's not "nobody else would run", it's literally the average voter is subject to having their mind hacked to support someone LIKE DJT in the first place. -- Please note, that is not an insult to a supporter of DJT, it is a comment on psychology (such as how mobile games also are a brain hack).
DJT's winning strategy is literally just to be an asshole. People are too busy dropping a mic to actually support something with values or intelligence, he's an entertaining bully in essence and even the BEST candidates can't crack into the GOP because of it. It's not that a narcissistic egomaniac never runs for president, it's that the narcissistic egomaniacs have a lifetime of experience manipulating and bullying people into doing their bidding.
Not much different than the fact the most successful mobile games are usually ones that activate gambling/addictive centers of the brain.
If DJT insulting things accomplished anything, we'd have colonized the andromeda galaxy by now. Certainly, there are people who target him, and potentially even advertise targeting him, but again, normal people get targeted too (Aaron Swartz, anyone?). The thing about DJT is his manipulation and bullying tactics also make him a target in of itself. The thing is, I don't think a person should be exempted from that. If he talks the talk, then he better walk the walk. I don't recall GWB or any other being targeted like DJT, but then again, I don't recall any of them being the walking asshole that DJT is... some things come full circle.
Is DJT being targeted? Agreed. Is it because of his politics alone? I really don't think so. It's only DJT, not other GOP. E.g. is anyone trying to get Pence prosecuted? And no, he never "cleaned up" any swamp, it's not "the swamp coming for him", DJT is his own swamp.
This is why perhaps I'm far more indifferent than others, I don't really care when assholes struggle in the mire they created for themselves.
TEAMRICO
05-30-2024, 22:49
This reminds me, never go to Montrose.
Maybe the judge could sentence him to have to help Joe Biden haul ammunition to both sides of the Russian/Ukraine War whilst wearing glow in the dark outfits.
eddiememphis
05-31-2024, 08:13
Is DJT being targeted? Agreed. Is it because of his politics alone? I really don't think so. It's only DJT, not other GOP.
So far, it is only Trump because he is the biggest, easiest target.
This verdict sets a precedent that is sure to be used to target others with whom those in power disagree.
Bring any charges you can muster against your political enemy. Tie them up in court for years, and if a guilty verdict comes through, you can use that to smear their reputation.
Before the verdict was announced, the Biden campaign stated that they will use the term "convicted felon Donald Trump" for the rest of the campaign.
You can bet that every leftist lawyer is scouring the history of every elected official looking for something to prosecute them for.
So, if he is jailed, would secret service agents be in the jail with him 24/7? Armed or not?
The irony is it only helps his campaign. DJT's two hacks are:
1) be an asshole.
2) portay self as prosecuted messiah.
In a round-about way it is exactly what he wants. Staged post-it note and all. Guarantee he wants a very short stint in jail (few hours) for the photo op and so he can claim to be crucified like Jesus.
Victimization is THE crutch of manipulation. The irony is the left played into his hand. They'd have had more success in defeating him by ignoring and laughing at him, making constant micropenis and tiny hand jokes. But then we'd potentially have an actual conservative president, and they dont want that either, I suppose.
You forget that he has already been elected to the office of President of the United States. He has a voice, a mission, a concious, that many, many Americans agree with.
This attack on him, is just one of hundreds? First it was the Russian Collusion, I won't go on, but the hate is there.
And you, you, think HE is the asshole?
You, you, think HE is the criminal?
Yeah, give me a break.
-John
Easily defeated fallacy...
1st off, I've not seen any evidence of Trump having a conscience. The personality disorder he most likely suffers in fact makes that highly unlikely, biologically he unlikely to be capable of it due to defects, injuries, or under development in his cerebral cortex. That's what narcissism is, and sure, you can hide behind "he has not released any diagnosis" if you want, but that's a consensus among even most conservative experts. Seeing what he's done over the years with various contracts etc. is also demonstrative of that, he screws people over pretty much anytime he knows he can, you don't want to be a subcontractor, contractor, or attorney to Trump, you WILL get screwed.
2nd off, apply your logic to Putin. Putin was elected by a landslide, and has a voice, mission, and even more Russians agree with him. By your argument, Putin can neither be an asshole or a criminal, mostly because he is hated.... So, we can see why it's a fallacy.
I'm not asking you to hate DJT, I know you're a staunch supporter. However, arguing that he's committed no crime pretty much has flown out the window a long time ago. Again, there's no argument that he did bang porn stars among many affairs and bungled financial records for a payoff to cover for it.
As to what level of crime that should be, I'm not arguing that.
Argue that as a former president, he should be immune if you like, or that he's targeted (but again, he makes himself a target, and not because of mere politics). Arguing he's an innocent peaceful person with a conscience of all things... He's none of those.
Not disagreeing (that the wrong people seek office), but the bigger problem is how manipulatable the masses are - including many or even a majority of the GOP. It's not "nobody else would run", it's literally the average voter is subject to having their mind hacked to support someone LIKE DJT in the first place. -- Please note, that is not an insult to a supporter of DJT, it is a comment on psychology (such as how mobile games also are a brain hack).
DJT's winning strategy is literally just to be an asshole. People are too busy dropping a mic to actually support something with values or intelligence, he's an entertaining bully in essence and even the BEST candidates can't crack into the GOP because of it. It's not that a narcissistic egomaniac never runs for president, it's that the narcissistic egomaniacs have a lifetime of experience manipulating and bullying people into doing their bidding.
Not much different than the fact the most successful mobile games are usually ones that activate gambling/addictive centers of the brain.
If DJT insulting things accomplished anything, we'd have colonized the andromeda galaxy by now. Certainly, there are people who target him, and potentially even advertise targeting him, but again, normal people get targeted too (Aaron Swartz, anyone?). The thing about DJT is his manipulation and bullying tactics also make him a target in of itself. The thing is, I don't think a person should be exempted from that. If he talks the talk, then he better walk the walk. I don't recall GWB or any other being targeted like DJT, but then again, I don't recall any of them being the walking asshole that DJT is... some things come full circle.
Is DJT being targeted? Agreed. Is it because of his politics alone? I really don't think so. It's only DJT, not other GOP. E.g. is anyone trying to get Pence prosecuted? And no, he never "cleaned up" any swamp, it's not "the swamp coming for him", DJT is his own swamp.
This is why perhaps I'm far more indifferent than others, I don't really care when assholes struggle in the mire they created for themselves.
At least 11 Trump associates have been targeted for prosecution. The real question is where the Biden-associated prosecutions are?
Pence is a rat and jumped ship. Funny, but if Trump was/is such a piece of shit, why didn't Pence do anything prior? Cus he's a useful idiot. He'll provide fealty to whatever person or group is in charge.
Come on man, you're smarter than this.
eddiememphis
05-31-2024, 16:25
I think we can all agree the real victim in this is Trump's son Barron.
We can only hope that he doesn't, in a fit of rage, destroy Tokyo.
I think we can all agree the real victim in this is Trump's son Barron.
We can only hope that he doesn't, in a fit of rage, destroy Tokyo.
Consensus reached. Popcorn is popped.
Less likely alternative: Maybe Melania will negotiate an even larger trust percentage. Barron is secretly behind the scenes, working as a double agent with Bloomberg to take down his dad so that he diverts all his assets to Melania, and by proxy, Barron, the evil genious of which isn't revealed until the final two minutes, blowing minds when Barron is revealed as the secret insider witness. Trump should've gone to his baseball game...
This would be funny, if it was not so serious.
Joe Biden, and the Biden Crime Family, promoting China, and the Ukraine.
Versus Trump, promoting the American worker, Energy Independence, and how to Make Americe Great Again!
Easily defeated fallacy...
1st off, I've not seen any evidence of Trump having a conscience. The personality disorder he most likely suffers in fact makes that highly unlikely, biologically he unlikely to be capable of it due to defects, injuries, or under development in his cerebral cortex. That's what narcissism is, and sure, you can hide behind "he has not released any diagnosis" if you want, but that's a consensus among even most conservative experts. Seeing what he's done over the years with various contracts etc. is also demonstrative of that, he screws people over pretty much anytime he knows he can, you don't want to be a subcontractor, contractor, or attorney to Trump, you WILL get screwed.
2nd off, apply your logic to Putin. Putin was elected by a landslide, and has a voice, mission, and even more Russians agree with him. By your argument, Putin can neither be an asshole or a criminal, mostly because he is hated.... So, we can see why it's a fallacy.
I'm not asking you to hate DJT, I know you're a staunch supporter. However, arguing that he's committed no crime pretty much has flown out the window a long time ago. Again, there's no argument that he did bang porn stars among many affairs and bungled financial records for a payoff to cover for it.
As to what level of crime that should be, I'm not arguing that.
Argue that as a former president, he should be immune if you like, or that he's targeted (but again, he makes himself a target, and not because of mere politics). Arguing he's an innocent peaceful person with a conscience of all things... He's none of those.
Non disclosure agreements are not illegal.
As you are an attorney you KNOW that for a NDA to be enforceable to receiving party must receive consideration.
I have every employee of mine sign an NDA as part of a condition for employment. That said they must get some sort of consideration.
And you also know retainers are legal fees.
I'm a bit confused about the specifics of this case, which admittedly I haven't followed very closely.
From my understanding (which may be in error, feel free to make corrections) is that Mister Trump did consensually fornicate with Miss Daniels about 2 decades ago. Apparently, years later, Miss Daniels did contact Mister Trump's attorney stating she would go to the tabloids and provide lurid details pertaining to the duration and overall performance of said event, as well as her overall dissatisfaction, unless she was immediately paid a large sum of money. I believe this type of scenario constitutes "blackmail" which is a crime.
Anyhow, apparently Mister Trump was accused of authorizing a transfer of funds to his attorney, Mister Cohen (a disbarred perjurer and convicted felon) who then had his accountant issue Miss Daniels a series of cheques totaling well over $100,000 to not disclose the details of her alleged experience as she had agreed. But now that Mister Trump is running for POTUS again, she violated the terms of her Non Disclosure Agreement and told the court all about Trump's tallywhacker and what she claims he did with it unto her person on a single occasion many years ago. Mister Trump responded that he never tallywhacked Miss Daniels as she claimed under oath. Then a jury decided to convict him of 36 counts of something done by Mister Cohen and his employees? It all seems rather Kafkaesque... a "spectacle," if you will.
Perhaps, if he actually did Miss Daniels, he should've paid her significantly more money, as that 100K probably went up her nose within 6 months.
And WHY was Miss Daniels not prosecuted for blackmail, which she seems to have admitted to? I mean, it's not like he prematurely ejaculated in someone he never met, in the changing room of a store he'd never been in, on an unknown time, date, and year, based solely on the spoken testimony of a clearly deranged "truthteller" who had several clear motives to confabulate. No, Stormy went to a famous billionaire's hotel room, of her own volition, and did her porn star act, then later demanded money not to tattle. She does not seem like a very nice person, nor an honest one.
BPTactical
05-31-2024, 19:25
So explain to me how he was indicted over 2 misdemeanor charges where the statute of limitations had expired…
Then explain to me how those two misdemeanor indictments where the statute of limitations had expired turned into 34 felony charges.
34 felony charges that nobody can specifically list.
Notice how none of the charges have been listed in detail?
Specificities is a real thing in a legal proceeding, the prosecution MUST specifically list in detail each charge.
But let’s get back to the two indictments on 2 expired misdemeanors.
Any legal proceeding pertaining to those is unlawful and unjust.
It’s similar to the “Fruit of the Poison Tree” doctrine. Any action taken under the ruse of the 2 indictments is unlawful and must be dismissed, often with prejudice.
This trial was not about law, it was about eviscerating a political opponent.
If this was about “law” then when are Bush, Obama, Holder, Jarrett, Clinton and the like going to be perp walked into the courtroom?
Anxiously waiting…….
Delfuego
05-31-2024, 22:05
So, if he is jailed, would secret service agents be in the jail with him 24/7? Armed or not?
They will officially drop his soap, ..............., then pick it up and show clear. Safety first.
hurley842002
05-31-2024, 22:53
Non disclosure agreements are not illegal.
As you are an attorney you KNOW that for a NDA to be enforceable to receiving party must receive consideration.
I have every employee of mine sign an NDA as part of a condition for employment. That said they must get some sort of consideration.
And you also know retainers are legal fees.
Is he an attorney or a psychologist? I can never tell from post to post.
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The irony is it only helps his campaign. DJT's two hacks are:
1) be an asshole.
2) portay self as prosecuted messiah.
In a round-about way it is exactly what he wants. Staged post-it note and all. Guarantee he wants a very short stint in jail (few hours) for the photo op and so he can claim to be crucified like Jesus.
Victimization is THE crutch of manipulation. The irony is the left played into his hand. They'd have had more success in defeating him by ignoring and laughing at him, making constant micropenis and tiny hand jokes. But then we'd potentially have an actual conservative president, and they dont want that either, I suppose.
The crazy thing is, people still think the left wants to defeat Trump. It?s the uni-party of Boaz and Jachin.
I certainly don't care much for Trump as a person and he certainly doesn't act "presidential", but I am sick and tired of having democratic/liberal policies shoved down my throat from every angle, from state to national. I will vote for anyone that vows to stop pushing higher taxes, open borders, DEI, anti 2a down my throat.
eddiememphis
06-01-2024, 09:19
34 felony charges that nobody can specifically list.
Notice how none of the charges have been listed in detail?
33 invoices, checks and vouchers for $35,000 and one check for $70,000 paid to Cohen for facilitating the payoff to the whore.
Each one was considered a separate falsification of business records. This is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud.
This not without precedence. John Edwards (remember him?) was charged with violating campaign contribution laws to cover up the affair he was having as his wife was dying of cancer during his brief presidential run. He was not guilty on one and there was a mistrial on the other five charges.
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.455_Hunter
06-01-2024, 09:20
I certainly don't care much for Trump as a person and he certainly doesn't act "presidential", but I am sick and tired of having democratic/liberal policies shoved down my throat from every angle, from state to national. I will vote for anyone that vows to stop pushing higher taxes, open borders, DEI, anti 2a down my throat.
Yup- Trump is an asshat, not a big surprise there. However, nothing about this legal scenario changes the pragmatic fact that my policy viewpoints are much more aligned with a potential Trump administration redo than a second term Biden administration.
theGinsue
06-01-2024, 11:04
I certainly don't care much for Trump as a person and he certainly doesn't act "presidential", but I am sick and tired of having democratic/liberal policies shoved down my throat from every angle, from state to national. I will vote for anyone that vows to stop pushing higher taxes, open borders, DEI, anti 2a down my throat.
Yup- Trump is an asshat, not a big surprise there. However, nothing about this legal scenario changes the pragmatic fact that my policy viewpoints are much more aligned with a potential Trump administration redo than a second term Biden administration.
Ultimately, THIS is what it all boils down to for me.
Trump remains the presumptive GOP candidate. If the GOP decides to field another player (causing Trump to go independent), that person had better have something pretty amazing in their portfolio for me to consider them - which has not been in the GOP playbook for a very long time.
Whether it be Biden again, or he is replaced by Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, or some other egregious liberal, the Dems will be putting forth someone just as bad for this country as we currently have.
Given the two true options (yes, there will be many other candidates from other parties on the ballot - but they never really have any chance), I know I won't be voting for the liberal.
Are you better off now than you were 3 years ago? If not, why would you even be discussing how much you dislike Donald Trump? Ultimately, you can choose to do what's best for you and your family - based off of party track records, or you can choose to continue down the path of destruction we're currently on. For me, the answer is clear and easy - regardless of how I feel about the person as a private entity vice their public performance. I'm not cutting off my feet because they have unsightly nail fungus - they still take me places I need to go.
Writer Devon Eriksen had the perfect response to this (specifically to JK Rowling). In essence, this is all BS. No crime was investigated to find the perpetrator. Rather, a man was investigated to find a crime. Every single person whether for or against is on the chopping block in the exact same manner in potential. This wasn't Justice, it was a witch hunt.
Eriksen's tweet:
Read this next sentence over and over again until you realize I really mean it.
It does not matter if Trump is guilty.
Have you got that? Do you believe I sincerely think that?
If so, you're probably wondering why. And I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're not a moron enough to think the answer is "because he's my guy".
I don't have a guy.
For the moment, just accept that I don't think it matters if Trump is guilty. In order to explain why, I will demonstrate that you agree with me. You think you don't, but you do, and I'll show you why.
So, after writing a series of books about a wizard school for kids, and making so much money that you would never have to work a day in your life again, you decided that you didn't actually want to be idle.
Commendable.
So you invented "Robert Gailbraith", and you started writing more novels. Novels about a private detective who is hired to solve crimes.
This is well explored genre, and there's quite a few people who enjoy this sort of thing... enough that these type of novels have some colloquial names.
They're called "mystery" stories, but they are also often called "whodunnits".
Cormoran Strike (ludicrous name, by the way) is hired to investigate crimes, in order to find out who it was that dunnit. He is not hired to investigate a person to see "whutHeDun".
There's two reasons you write it that way.
A "whutHeDun" would be a boring story. There's no way for the reader to wonder who did the thing, or how the thing went down. Nothing to puzzle over. They can wonder, I suppose, what crime the target will eventually be charged with, but with that as the major question, how would you tantalize the reader with clues?
Surely, as an experienced writer, you can see that such a story would not work.
But there's another reason. A "whutHeDun" isn't heroic. When your main character selects a crime to investigate, it's easy to make the readers root for him, simply by writing the crime as some awful thing that needs to be solved, so the perpetrator won't do it again.
But if Cormoran Strike were to investigate a man instead of a crime, his actions would not be so admirable. If he don't have a heinous crime to instigate his investigation, then why is investigating this man and not that one?
Clearly, the man is being targeted not because he is guilty of a heinous crime, but for some other reason.
This wouldn't work even if you wrote so that every "he" in your series of "whutHeDuns" turned out to be a goat rapist or something equally vile and disgusting, because not only would your readers' sense of immersion be damaged by how everybody he investigated turned out vile, but also because he wasn't motivated by something he couldn't have known or been sure of.
And if, instead, they were guilty of tax evasion, or failing to pay their television license fee (apparently that's a thing in Brit-land?), or cheating on their wife/husband... well, it would be hard to see ol' Cormoran as a heroic character at all, now wouldn't it?
No, he would basically be a professional character assassin, wouldn't he? Hired to dig up dirt on somebody that his rich clients wanted to stick it to.
Cormoran Strike, sticky divorce investigator! Thrilling tales of how he catches cheating wives so rich dudes don't have pay alimony!
Would you write a story like that?
I think you wouldn't. It wouldn't be fun to write, and it would be very difficult to sympathize with the protagonist.
He wouldn't be heroic.
Well, that's the real justice system for you. It has to be heroic. It has to stand for justice, not just law, especially not if that law is selectively applied.
In a free society, we investigate crimes to see who can be charged with them. We do not investigate men to see what they can be charged with.
Because the law is intended to be a shield to protect the people, not a sword to attack them.
You already believe this.
You already have left-wing beliefs that is unjust to selectively target unpopular people with the justice system, even if some crime can be found they are actually guilty of. You understand how if the police arrested only black men, this would be wrong even if only the guilty were convicted.
You also understand that sleazy divorce PIs who dig up dirt on preselected targets are not heroes, even if dirt can be found. That's why Cormoran Strike investigates disappearances and murders and such instead.
So you already agree with me.
You even agree with me if you are so lost to knee-jerk tribalism that you don't care about targeted investigations and malicious prosecution, and you just want to see Donald Trump go to jail, principles be damned.
Because, remember, my original thesis was "it does not matter if Donald Trump is guilty".
If you believe in the principle of blind and equal justice, then it doesn't matter if he is guilty, because target prosecutions are wrong.
And if you don't care about principle, and you just want to get him at any cost, then it still doesn't matter if he's guilty, because then you want to get him even if he's innocent.
In no world does it actually matter if he is guilty of the things he is accused of doing, which I doubt you could even explain to me off the top of your head.
What matters a great deal is whether the most powerful, most nuclear-armed nation in the known universe is ruled by laws and principles or by men and agendas.
Why?
Because one day you, Joanne Rowling, might visit the United States of America, and suddenly find yourself in handcuffs.
Because someone decided "let's get that transphobe", and assigned a team of federal prosecutors and forensic accountants to go over your entire business empire with a fine-tooth comb.
Ah-hah! They would cry, this billionaire has falsified her business records! This is wrong, whatever the context! We must prosecute her at once!
And we would all know that the real reason would be your refusal to agree that a man in a dress is a woman.
Just as the real reason here is that Donald Trump is a threat to the regime.
You may not like it, because you don't like Donald Trump. You may refuse to admit it, because you don't like Donald Trump. But you know I am right about this.
Donald Trump is a political prisoner in the same way that a man in a dress is still a man.
Because wanting things doesn't change facts.
https://x.com/Devon_Eriksen_/status/1796953330658275400
I don't know how many people on this forum are the head person in a business greater than a small mom and pop shop.
But here is what I do with finances.
Suppliers send invoices to the accounting department. One of the really interesting notes is we get a lot of random invoices where someone is just sending emails hoping they will slip throught the crack and just get paid.
Then the accounting department enters them in the appropriate "bins". We dont make new bins for every different type of invoice. All our P&Ls show a single line item for all our legal expenses. Attached (electronically) are copies from what the atyorneys send us. This could be employees disputes. Contract reviews. Real estate transactions. Retainers, etc. Any of the work from the lawers go on the line item on the P&L called "legal expenses".
Once the accountants says "yes we received that good or service" they do a weekly check run (and ACH) by reconciling the invoices in the accounting software and marking "ok to pay" and then the software combines multiple invoices to a supplier and prints checks.
Once checks are printed, I get a stack of checks. I look quickly through them to make sure nothing jumps out; i do not go into every detail and reconcile invoices to checks. That is why I have an accounting department. I just ool if there are any really out of place expenses or suppliers that look strange. If everything looks OK, then i sign them.
That is how business actually works. President Trump from what I could see from trial reporting was basically following normal business practices
TEAMRICO
06-01-2024, 18:08
Where do you see yourself and the country in a few years. 1,2,3 or more years under ANY Democrat President?
Anyone wanna tell us how things will be better? Paint us a picture and stop letting your hatred and TDS for the man who was making this country great again for all of us.
BushMasterBoy
06-01-2024, 19:47
I laugh because the majority are deluded in believing we are a constitutional republic. The reality is the US is a military industrial complex. The DOD has a $800 billion budget. We have 11 nuclear powered aircraft carriers. The Air Force has over 5000 aircrcraft. The Army as over 4000 battle tanks.
I can just imagine the resources available to the intelligence community. As "Jack Ryan" says ...just follow the money!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_complex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpRpvfpnOvs
Great-Kazoo
06-01-2024, 23:34
33 invoices, checks and vouchers for $35,000 and one check for $70,000 paid to Cohen for facilitating the payoff to the whore.
Each one was considered a separate falsification of business records. This is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud.
This not without precedence. John Edwards (remember him?) was charged with violating campaign contribution laws to cover up the affair he was having as his wife was dying of cancer during his brief presidential run. He was not guilty on one and there was a mistrial on the other five charges.
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The charges stemmed from supposed payoffs PRIOR to the 2016 election. Better check those dates you posted. 2017?? yeah no hush money was paid prior to 2016 when this so called payoff happened.
Great-Kazoo
06-01-2024, 23:35
Where do you see yourself and the country in a few years. 1,2,3 or more years under ANY Democrat President?
Anyone wanna tell us how things will be better? Paint us a picture and stop letting your hatred and TDS for the man who was making this country great again for all of us.
well said. "We" cannot survive even 2 more yrs of this admin.
Paint us a picture and stop letting your hatred and TDS for the man who was making this country great again for all of us.
"TDS" doesn't exist. If someone can't have a rational discussion about their chosen candidate, and flings out tags to try to undercut any dissenting voice... what does that sound like?
Replace "TDS" with "RACISM" and Trump with Obama, and you'll have a good picture.
TRUMP increased the national debt by 40% in a single term. If he was a conservative of any cloth, maybe I could agree with some of the points made here. I don't like Biden, but I don't like the USSR even more, and Trump is not a conservative. He's a manipulator that built up a false brand.
Trump is VERY manipulatable, and the worst possible candidate for the federal budget and deficit in the history of our country. He campaigned on a promise to pay off the national debt... instead, see what he spent.
Much of the inflation people attribute to BidenEconomics originate with Trump's printing of dollars. If anyone thinks this is outrageous, please google the expenditures before singing his praises.
Sorry, Trump is hardly any better than the progressive left. He's also as pro-soviet as a 1960's hippy. I do think he'd be great for the USSR, which is why this go around, he will *not* have my vote, nor will he have the vote of many true conservatives.
At the end of the day though, it doesn't make a lick of difference who any of us vote for (and no, I won't be voting for Biden).
We live in Colorado, so we can practically take an hour off of work and sit at home. So before anyone's blood boils, know that we're not far off between the issues. Keep the discussion going, always good to see other perspectives.
ETA:
And I will concede that Trump would be much better on Israel than what we currently have (though nobody has brought up that point). I'm very tired of sending "AID" to people who celebrated terror attacks on the US to use to rebuild their infrastructure for more terror.
eddiememphis
06-02-2024, 17:06
I do think he'd be great for the USSR, which is why this go around, he will *not* have my vote, nor will he have the vote of many true conservatives.
He may not have the votes of idealists, but those of us that understand the system will continue to hold our noses and for one party or the other since, as Mike Rosen said for 30 years, party trumps person.
If there were a Term Limits/ Cut Spending party, I'd be happy to join but this is still a two party system so unfortunately, it is either the Democrats or the Republicans. Or waste your vote, which, as you state in another post, voting for a Republican President in Colorado is essentially the same thing.
Grant H.
06-02-2024, 17:44
Paint us a picture and stop letting your hatred and TDS for the man who was making this country great again for all of us.
https://youtu.be/yxgybgEKHHI?si=jqFWtVuwHq_hLF9P&t=39
TDS - nice sound bite from the usual media suspects...
Open your eyes dude...
Trump doesn't give a single crap about the Constitution of The United States of America!
Grant H.
06-02-2024, 18:05
I'll tag a few more thoughts in here too:
I don't think you will find any of us that aren't rabidly "Pro-Trump" are okay with the weaponization and blatantly biased use of the court system here. It's gross, it's wrong, and it shouldn't be done.
However, as we have seen, that is how things play out. Ever since the 50's and 60's, the "progressives" have been playing a better game of politics and corruption than the "conservatives" have. They took over the schools, and have been indoctrinating the youth of this country for 60-70+ years, setting it up to the point that we are now witnessing. The majority of the voting populace has never had a true civics class. They haven't read the Declaration or the Constitution. They believe this nonsense about "accepting" everyone as they are (unless you happen to be a white, heterosexual male, and god forbid you are Judeo Christian).
In that same time, the "Conservatives" have continued to operate from a position of "leave me and my guns alone", more so just "Leave me alone. Do what you want in your own space, but don't bother me". That's a losing battle every time. The "progressives" have taken that, and pushed for the same 60-70+ years, and have moved the goal posts from one agenda point to the next more heinous, never letting up.
Because of this, we are now to the point where it is a completely true statement that voting for anyone but the Progressive candidate in CO doesn't mean anything. That's starting to be the case for every part of this country. As fake as it sounds, the younger voting population is discussing how many progressives need to move to certain states with their WFH jobs to flip those states Purple, if not solidly Blue.
So, I guess to bring it all full circle for the purpose of staying on point in this thread, yeah, it's totally messed up that the progressives have weaponized the judicial system to target their enemies, but this shouldn't be a shock to anyone. It was obvious with the Hilary Email scandal. It's been obvious for quite a while.
Does that mean Trump is a good guy or a good candidate? In no way shape or form.
So from what I can tell from this thread is that the Dems will win again because "vote blue no matter who" while we bicker about whether or not the Rep candidate is good enough to please the most devout of the conservative christian right.
And I will concede that Trump would be much better on Israel than what we currently have (though nobody has brought up that point). I'm very tired of sending "AID" to people who celebrated terror attacks on the US to use to rebuild their infrastructure for more terror.
From the Project for the New American Century aka PNAC Report written in 2000
some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor.
We were there to document the event . - The Dancing 5 Israeli Mossad Agents arrested on 09.11.2001 witnessed and photographed cheering, high fiving, and posing with lit cigarette lighter with the burning twin towers behind them, the way tourists pretend to be pushing over the leaning Tower of Pisa.
They did this after an over year long operation to rig both towers and run a counter intel op in the U.S. and Mexico heavily documented by the DEA in their Art Students Report filed mere months before 09.11.2001. See also the arrest, investigation, then quiet expulsion of hundreds of Israelis in late 2001 to early 2002, including the Urban Moving Systems Front company for Mossad. Yes, that is a picture of one of the Vans they used BEFORE 09.11.2001.
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You and I agree no AID should go to those who cheer dead Americans.
Trump is the largest stooge of the Izzies as any president we have had since LBJ.
No, I will not recant, nor stop telling the truth about this topic. Liars and cowards deserve each other, for both will inhabit Hell.
eddiememphis
06-02-2024, 21:01
So from what I can tell from this thread is that the Dems will win again because "vote blue no matter who" while we bicker about whether or not the Rep candidate is good enough to please the most devout of the conservative christian right.
I don't think so.
The left will vote for their guy and the right will vote for theirs. The election will be decided by "swing voters" and they will see that the economy has taken a turn for the worse under President Biden. Abortion and immigration are much discussed issues but the price of food and gasoline is a much more important issue to most people.
Plus it is obvious to everyone that President Biden is a doddering fool that should not be making important decisions and I think that will be his undoing as much as the economy.
Grant H.
06-02-2024, 21:08
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No, I will not recant, nor stop telling the truth about this topic. Liars and cowards deserve each other, for both will inhabit Hell.
Dude, all the anti-jew racism of yours aside, you can't be serious with this... Please tell me you know how clueless you look posting this...
Littlefuse... BB18...
That's an electrical bus bar that works with ELECTRICITY... 35mm din rail mounted terminal blocks and fuse holders. Ubiquitous the world around in industrial automation...
Pretty cool that there is only 1 product anywhere on the planet that is labeled BB18...
Grant H.
06-02-2024, 21:23
Plus it is obvious to everyone that President Biden is a doddering fool that should not be making important decisions and I think that will be his undoing as much as the economy.
I wish this were true...
Neighbors of my parents are both MD Drs, so they aren't "stupid", and they still believe in Biden. Even other folks that I have worked with (closer to my age) are still pro-biden. Diehard Democrats apparently.
I don't think so.
The left will vote for their guy and the right will vote for theirs. The election will be decided by "swing voters" and they will see that the economy has taken a turn for the worse under President Biden. Abortion and immigration are much discussed issues but the price of food and gasoline is a much more important issue to most people.
This.
SWAG numbers, but probably pretty close to reality:
10% of the population are the truly rabid/retarded "progressives"
10% of the population are the truly rabid/retarded "alt right tools"
60% of the population is either blue or red as they were raised, and generally vote along those lines no matter what. Unfortunately, I see that number as being more blue than red given the history of the schools being taken over.
The remaining 20% are likely a mix of red/blue and vote based on issues that are close to them. These folks are the real decision makers when it comes to an election, discounting any significant election fraud.
.455_Hunter
06-03-2024, 00:17
From the Project for the New American Century aka PNAC Report written in 2000
. - The Dancing 5 Israeli Mossad Agents arrested on 09.11.2001 witnessed and photographed cheering, high fiving, and posing with lit cigarette lighter with the burning twin towers behind them, the way tourists pretend to be pushing over the leaning Tower of Pisa.
They did this after an over year long operation to rig both towers and run a counter intel op in the U.S. and Mexico heavily documented by the DEA in their Art Students Report filed mere months before 09.11.2001. See also the arrest, investigation, then quiet expulsion of hundreds of Israelis in late 2001 to early 2002, including the Urban Moving Systems Front company for Mossad. Yes, that is a picture of one of the Vans they used BEFORE 09.11.2001.
96680966819668296683966849668596686
You and I agree no AID should go to those who cheer dead Americans.
Trump is the largest stooge of the Izzies as any president we have had since LBJ.
No, I will not recant, nor stop telling the truth about this topic. Liars and cowards deserve each other, for both will inhabit Hell.
You are telling the "truth" on this topic? Yeah, your special "truth". [ROFL3]
It's kinda hard for your conspiracy theories to gain much traction with me when I am friends and coworkers with the individuals who supported the WTC static and dynamic collapse modeling analysis for NIST. What is the scientific source of your assessments? [pileoshit]
Anyway, please also tell me more about these demolition fuses. As an energetics expert myself, I would love to expand my knowledge. [facepalm]
.455_Hunter
06-03-2024, 00:19
Dude, all the anti-jew racism of yours aside, you can't be serious with this... Please tell me you know how clueless you look posting this...
Littlefuse... BB18...
That's an electrical bus bar that works with ELECTRICITY... 35mm din rail mounted terminal blocks and fuse holders. Ubiquitous the world around in industrial automation...
Pretty cool that there is only 1 product anywhere on the planet that is labeled BB18...
Yup- It's hilariously stupid.
eddiememphis
06-03-2024, 08:09
You are telling the "truth" on this topic? Yeah, your special "truth". [ROFL3]
It's kinda hard for your conspiracy theories to gain much traction with me when I am friends and coworkers with the individuals who supported the WTC static and dynamic collapse modeling analysis for NIST. What is the scientific source of your assessments? [pileoshit]
Anyway, please also tell me more about these demolition fuses. As an energetics expert myself, I would love to expand my knowledge. [facepalm]
You just admitted to being part of the coverup! Who's paying you off, comrade?
(Ignoring the conspiracy derail...)
DJR would have more consistent support if it were not for his hatred of Ukraine / love of Russia.
And while I know there are differences of opinion even here, most of the conservatives that hate Ukraine have that opinion largely because DJT hates Ukraine.... which there WAS a Russian intelligence effort partially behind that.
Donald's Russian sympathies are an extreme liability. Look at e.g. Mike Johnson pleading for MAGA conservatives to please attend their intelligence briefings.
It's not a minor thing to overlook or a "'Merica" first thing, if we fuck up w/ Russia it will have world changing consequences within the next 20 years.
This is #1 why even if I was in a state where it mattered, DJT would still not get my vote. In balancing the damage of the two candidates (because yes, they both cause incalculable damage) DJT is worse. Fiscally, he's no better than a progressive.
He's better on Isreal, Russia wants him elected for a reason. Empowered Russia leads to emboldened China. Emboldened China leads to WWIII outcomes. And RU does not intend to stop at Ukraine - hence Mike Johnson pleading with MAGA legislators to do their job and PLEASE read a f'n thing.
I much prefer to spend $1 today at the cost of Ukranian lives than $1,000 tomorrow + American lives. Actual conservatives tend to be anti-communist, fiscally conservative. IDK why MAGA has swam up the river on both core issues.
Mick-Boy
06-03-2024, 14:57
In case anyone wants to listen to Robert Barnes run through all the stuff wrong with the trial/verdict.
https://tomwoods.com/ep-2500-robert-barnes-on-the-donald-trump-conviction/
.455_Hunter
06-03-2024, 15:43
You just admitted to being part of the coverup! Who's paying you off, comrade?
Guilty as charged!
Unfortunately, science and engineering are not strong points with many "Patriot" think tanks.
wctriumph
06-03-2024, 15:59
I will still vote for him
I will still vote for him
Anything else is a Vote for Biden,Harris,Newsome
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Unfortunately, science and engineering are not strong points with many "Patriot" think tanks.
Unfortunately, science and engineering are not strong points with many Patriot "think tanks."
Also, that particular conspiracy theory is likely Russian or Chinese in origin, as both countries have troll farms operating 24/7 specifically engaged in memetic warfare on American social media (separate from other groups maintaining thousands of chatbot accounts used to post comments).
Very true.
It is truly their main strategy on defeating the US. They don't plan to go to open war with us, they expect us to do it for them.
And it's asymmetric. We can't do the inverse because of their strict state controls on social media and media in general.
Here in the US though, most people believe that it's just 5 or 10 guys doing it, and it's so exceedingly rare they've never seen it.
It's fascinating to see them at work, they start up with legitimate content, at first...
The quantity in our social media is outright impressive. If I were a betting man, the long-term odds are not great for us, if only because of the ever-present manipulability of the human race.
bellavite1
06-03-2024, 17:05
I will vote for Trump.
If we don't project strength pretty soon we are going to glow in the dark.
Remember what Biden said to Putin, the Houtis, Israel ?
"DON'T!"
Yeah, that worked out just fine...
Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) absolutely exists, and I have family that will spit in my face if I mention Trump.
Love this quote from someone up above... "No crime was investigated to find the perpetrator. Rather, a man was investigated to find a crime."
-John
I will vote for Trump.
If we don't project strength pretty soon we are going to glow in the dark.
Remember what Biden said to Putin, the Houtis, Israel ?
"DON'T!"
Yeah, that worked out just fine...
On the way home today, I heard on talk radio, that China, is not listening to our hollow threats anymore. They want the Philippines. They want Taiwan.
Iran is getting/has Nukes...
This is all Biden.
-John
The Israelis were on Israeli tv stating they were there to document. How would they have known?
A lot of fuckery around 9/11, and the official narrative only benefitted a select few groups. Funny how that works out.
eddiememphis
06-04-2024, 08:24
Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) absolutely exists, and I have family that will spit in my face if I mention Trump.
Love this quote from someone up above... "No crime was investigated to find the perpetrator. Rather, a man was investigated to find a crime."
-John
“Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime” - Lavrentiy Beria, the most ruthless and longest-serving secret police chief in Joseph Stalin’s reign of terror in Russia and Eastern Europe.
There's not a chance in hell that Donald Trump can win election in November. If he runs, the result will be a second Biden-Kamala administration. The only way conservatives can win is to convince the Don that winning for him means passing the torch to a qualified GOP contender and for the team to be strong enough to win. If that happens in the next month or so, then expect Biden to step aside for another dem to join the race. Imagine Kamala and John Fetterman. Hang on to your belts because there's going to be some shaking up in American politics.
While I'd love for that to happen, DJT w/ his narcissism would never step aside in any circumstance. I do generally agree that ANY other GOP candidate would have much higher chances of victory vs. Biden. And even in the prior election, that held true as well, and in the election prior to that, DJT has consistently polled the worst against the democratic contenders.
The odds are not good, and it has nothing to do with "stealing an election" unless DJT is considered a patsy to guarantee progressive election.
He could unquestionably kill people in public, be on trial for capital murder, and still not step aside.
The big problem too is the portion of "Only-Trumpers", who demand it be Trump or nobody else, potentially because they ceased being conservative a long time ago.
After watching the end of Biden's speech today, I am convinced he will be replaced before Nov.
He just doesn't have 4 more good months in him I don't think.
Not to mention, that we can't forget about JFK jr throwing his hat in the ring. That is also going to play into this election cycle in some way or another.
eddiememphis
06-04-2024, 16:55
After watching the end of Biden's speech today, I am convinced he will be replaced before Nov.
He just doesn't have 4 more good months in him I don't think.
Not to mention, that we can't forget about JFK jr throwing his hat in the ring. That is also going to play into this election cycle in some way or another.
There has been a lot of chatter on the left about replacing him.
The problem is who it will be.
They know Vice President Harris is a losing candidate but she is the obvious choice.
I heard one bit of speculation that if she is promised the governorship of California, she will step aside and let Gavin Newsome take the helm.
Iran is getting/has Nukes...
I can assure you that both CIA and Mossad have assets deep inside Iran's nuclear program... including top scientists working on said program. Unlikely they'll be able to produce a functional ICBM.
There's not a chance in hell that Donald Trump can win election in November.
"Some people are saying" that the GOP is trying to find a replacement for Trump. Others are saying the DNC is hoping to replace Biden before November. Both seem to be unsubstantiated rumors as none of this has been acknowledged by the media, but who knows.
I do not like Donald Trump, but to be perfectly fair, he actually was not a bad POTUS, if not one of the best ones we've had in 50 years... but I certainly do not trust the man.
A lot of people support him, but twice as many literally hate him and think he's "worse than Hitler." I wanted to look into that and did a bit of research the other day. Apparently that Hitler fellow was a real asshole. They actually sent him to prison for 5 years because he was such an asshole, and most of the assassination plots against him were done by his own Generals. I do not feel it is fair or appropriate to compare Trump to Hitler, and seems utterly ridiculous to assert he is in any way "worse."
Anyhow, we can all agree that Mister Trump, if nothing else, has proved himself to be immensely entertaining. Putin, Xi, and Kim all respected Trump. One of my favorite episodes of The Trump Show was the time he walked, unescorted by Secret Service, into North Korea... that was actually kinda awesome, he just didn't care. If reelected, I hope he uses copious profanity at his various televised appearances, including the State of the Union address. I think America needs a POTUS who drops F bombs.
BushMasterBoy
06-04-2024, 22:32
Biden just closed the border. I figure the Dems will start a war, to stay elected. Or there is a clear and present danger to the United States. One possible adversary has been deploying unknown objects in orbit. Spacex getting AI chips commandeered from TESLA.... jus' sayin
Great-Kazoo
06-05-2024, 08:41
There has been a lot of chatter on the left about replacing him.
The problem is who it will be.
They know Vice President Harris is a losing candidate but she is the obvious choice.
I heard one bit of speculation that if she is promised the governorship of California, she will step aside and let Gavin Newsome take the helm.
Problem resolved.
I "think" they way to go is. Biden stays in. Harris steps aside as his running mate. With newsom steps in her place.
Biden wins, 3-4 weeks later biden steps aside due to :health issues" We then have a politician that, like harris couldn't get enough poll numbers to make it past the 1st-2nd round of debates, now CIC.
C= conspiracy
OR
C= Coincidence
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
eddiememphis
06-05-2024, 09:16
The problem with that is Biden has a very real chance of losing the election. The Democrats want to stay in power to keep the snowball to socialism rolling.
The need to put up a candidate that can beat Trump before the election, not gamble that Biden can win.
BPTactical
06-05-2024, 09:32
I don't think the motherfuckers are too worried about losing-they have perfected their election cheating machine.
Prove me wrong.
They did a good job of making sure Trump got the nomination every go around, so I'll give you that. So much free media coverage, it's like they wanted the absolutely lowest-polling competitive candidate to clinch the nomination.
Can the GOP disqualify him and put X on the ballot?
Can the GOP disqualify him and put X on the ballot?
If that occurred, the votes for Trump (as an Independent) and X would be split 50/50 and we'd have another 4 years of "Weekend at Bernie's."
Problem resolved.
I "think" they way to go is. Biden stays in. Harris steps aside as his running mate. With newsom steps in her place.
Biden wins, 3-4 weeks later biden steps aside due to :health issues"
Newsom absolutely destroyed California... he would arguably prove WORSE than Biden as POTUS... and that, actually, would be impressive.
With Newsom as POTUS, everyone earning under 30K could quit their jobs and make more money on Welfare... then we'd have hyperinflation within about 6 months.
eddiememphis
06-05-2024, 19:26
Can the GOP disqualify him and put X on the ballot?
Interesting question.
If Trump wins the primary but the state party does not want him on the ballot, can they run someone else...
Likely not, but would depend on the rules in their organization.
Firehaus
06-05-2024, 21:29
There's not a chance in hell that Donald Trump can win election in November. If he runs, the result will be a second Biden-Kamala administration. The only way conservatives can win is to con.
I had an uncle tell me in 2016 the stock market would crash if Trump was elected.
The media said no way we was winning.
Night before the election Hillary was predicted to win by a landslide even though she couldn?t even fill a high school auditorium when Trump was filling stadiums inside and out.
The economy and the government ran just fine under his administration. Like or hate him personally, you?d be an idiot not vote for him. Which historically conservatives have been. They self fracture their party instead of getting behind the candidate like the brainwashed lefty?s do.
2016 happened because people held their nose and voted republican despite their reservations, mainly due to the supreme court seats.
2020 happened partly because of fraudulent mail in voting counted in private in the dead of night.
The only way for republicans to win is vote republican. Grumble their asses all the way to the voting booth, hold your nose and vote for Trump. We are fucked otherwise.
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You're also fucked if Trump wins. Sort of like arguing from jail that one rapist is better than the other rapist. Rebuild the USSR and spend so much money the US becomes socialist. What could go wrong???
There is no conservative candidate on either party's ticket for 2024.
What is a republican to you? Fiscal conservativism, anti-communist?
E.g. nearly the polar opposite of what Trump is?
There's going to be two choices to vote for, that have any chance of winning. Voting any other way is a simple way of showing that you disagree with both choices, but you're also allowing everyone to make the choice for you. It might just come down to thinking of which camp I want choosing the next couple of supreme court picks, because that certainly could come up again in the next 4 years and I'd rather not have another supreme court justice picked that can't even tell me the difference between a boy and a girl. The supreme court picks coming up may be the largest single issue that we really need to worry about. Lose the supreme court, and that'll about put a nail in the coffin.
eddiememphis
06-06-2024, 17:48
You're also fucked if Trump wins. Sort of like arguing from jail that one rapist is better than the other rapist. Rebuild the USSR and spend so much money the US becomes socialist. What could go wrong???
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Firehaus
06-06-2024, 18:20
You're also fucked if Trump wins. Sort of like arguing from jail that one rapist is better than the other rapist. Rebuild the USSR and spend so much money the US becomes socialist. What could go wrong???
There is no conservative candidate on either party's ticket for 2024.
What is a republican to you? Fiscal conservativism, anti-communist?
E.g. nearly the polar opposite of what Trump is?
Were we fucked the last time he won?
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But what about the mean tweets?!?!??!?????!!!!!
BPTactical
06-06-2024, 21:43
But what about the mean tweets?!?!??!?????!!!!!
Orange man bad
TEAMRICO
06-07-2024, 07:12
He claims there is no such thing as TDS. Yet they seem to go so far and beyond to tell people how much they hate Trump and how afraid they are of him. A photoshopped picture? Some guys must be soooo afraid. Has anyone changed their mind about voting for Trump here due to a fake picture and some hypotheticals made up in some folks brains?
I think they would be much happier with four more years of Biden. It will give them something to rant about.
Hey, I"ll hold my nose if it comes to it.
eddiememphis
06-07-2024, 08:53
https://nypost.com/2024/06/06/us-news/biden-claims-hes-known-russias-vladimir-putin-for-over-40-years-even-when-he-was-undercover-kgb-agent/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-claims-have-known-putin-over-40-years-worked-kgb-agent
President Biden claimed Thursday that he has “known” Vladimir Putin “for over 40 years” — despite Russia’s president having served as an undercover KGB intelligence officer through the entire 1980s.
“I’ve known him for over 40 years. He’s concerned me for 40 years. He’s not a decent man,” Biden, 81, told ABC News anchor David Muir during an interview in France at the Normandy American Cemetery to commemorate the 80th anniversary of D-Day.
Dude has lost his mind.
He has told so many lies during his life he can't recognize reality.
He is a liar and a snake and a dimwit- as has been for his entire career. Amazing how he has gotten away with all the verifiable bullshit he has spewed over the years.
Dude, all the anti-jew racism of yours aside, you can't be serious with this... Please tell me you know how clueless you look posting this...
Littlefuse... BB18...
That's an electrical bus bar that works with ELECTRICITY... 35mm din rail mounted terminal blocks and fuse holders. Ubiquitous the world around in industrial automation...
Pretty cool that there is only 1 product anywhere on the planet that is labeled BB18...
Not a demo or electrical guy, I do know common everyday electrical and household items can and are used in energetics.
Maybe that?s what the boxes are labeled, maybe that is what was actually in the boxes, maybe those boxes were empty, or full of paper, or used for the light show that was set up by the same group, I do not know. A few months after that picture was taken it all got turned to dust, and bits of scrap metal we sold to Chyna.
What I do understand is how to conduct 24/7/365 security operations/procedures to include access control, and physical site security of valuable assets.
Say you or I were in charge of, or were just the regular night watch providing security for a multi million dollar skyscraper that happened to have been a previous target by terrorists and was an iconic landmark in one of the Nations largest cities, would you permit a group of foreign military aged males to camp out on the 90th and 91st Floor of WTC 1 and 2 for several months whilst moving boxes, rappelling equipment, tools, and other equipment in and out of the building?
If you later learned that that same year and the previous year their had been a concerted effort by a group with the same markers/background that were running an intel pen test of dozens of government buildings, and bases, all of whom were determined to be Military/IC Agents working for a foreign government, would that not make you want to know why? Or ponder if there was any link to those two networks?
96716 The Light Show Im referring to.
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What I really want to know is who get’s trumps guns??? On a serious note I’m having a hard time thinking of any country’s leader I respect any more, sad.
Milei? But I fear we may have to follow Argentinas devolution before any American is ready to to vote for someone like that.
Were we fucked the last time he won?
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I'll put it this way...
Home Buyers Need to Earn $47,000 More Than in 2020 - Zillow Research (https://www.zillow.com/research/buyers-income-needed-33755/)
In 2020, a household earning $59,000 annually could comfortably afford the monthly mortgage on a typical U.S. home, spending no more than 30% of its income with a 10% down payment. That was below the U.S. median income of about $66,000, meaning more than half of American households had the financial means to afford homeownership.
Now, the roughly $106,500 needed to comfortably afford the mortgage payment on a typical home is well above what a typical U.S. household earns each year, estimated at about $81,000.
Sure, people will knee jerk and say "Thats BIDENECONOMICS". Both Biden and Trump contributed to this, with the largest contributor to date being Trump w/ his 40% increase to the national debt, by about 8 Trillion dollars in a single term as well as support for pandemic vote buying. There's a time lag with all the fiat printing before it impacts inflation, coupled with the pandemic "stimulus" fraud, which created supply chain issues that drove it even higher.
Another four years of this shit, and we may as well be communist. It'll feel that way @ the grocery store, gas station, or w/ utility payments to anyone that isn't the 1/2 of the 1%.
So yes, you're fucked either way. Or is anyone in this thread feel like their spending power is equal to the start of Trump's presidency?
The financial issues experienced today are not all Trump. But it's also only Biden in fraction. It will NOT get better. We are now rolling into the start of a recession (yes I'm calling it) or worse. Trump's takes credit for things he is only responsible for in the slightest accord, and then pushes responsibility off for problems he is largely responsible for.
Another four years of Trump will be economically quite difficult for most people this go around... as will another four of Biden.
eddiememphis
06-07-2024, 15:26
Presidents get more credit and more blame than they deserve.
Congress writes the laws and spends the money- the should be blamed for the country's financial destruction.
Democrats propose a 10% increase, Republicans agree to a 5% increase and they both call it a cut. It is complete bullshit and transparent as can be yet they continue spending.
We are headed for much more than a recession.
Every middle aged man (which I am assuming most of us are) throughout time has looked around and said, "That's it- we're doomed." This feels like it may be not the end of the Republic, but a dramatic shift in the freedoms and opportunities of the common man.
An American economic collapse will certainly affect the rest of the world but it will be especially brutal here.
I'll just post this here.
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
FoxtArt.
Do you believe Trump (running as a Republican) will spend more than Biden (running as a Democrat)?
As someone above said, the Congress controls spending. Which President would be better at asking Congress to control spending?
Regarding what is a Conservative, which question I think you fostered up above, and one of your go to questions.
A Conservative, is hesitant to change. Versus a Progressive, that will change often for no reason.
Social Conservatives, enjoy the definition of Marriage, as between a Man and his Wife.
Economic Conservatives, enjoy a Laissez-faire approach to the economy.
A Progressive, will accept that the most important thing in the world, is Blue Hair.
A Progressive, will feel Communism is important, so everyone is equally in squalor.
-John
eddiememphis
06-07-2024, 18:35
I'll just post this here.
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
FoxtArt.
Do you believe Trump (running as a Republican) will spend more than Biden (running as a Democrat)?
As someone above said, the Congress controls spending. Which President would be better at asking Congress to control spending?
Regarding what is a Conservative, which question I think you fostered up above, and one of your go to questions.
A Conservative, is hesitant to change. Versus a Progressive, that will change often for no reason.
Social Conservatives, enjoy the definition of Marriage, as between a Man and his Wife.
Economic Conservatives, enjoy a Laissez-faire approach to the economy.
A Progressive, will accept that the most important thing in the world, is Blue Hair.
A Progressive, will feel Communism is important, so everyone is equally in squalor.
-John
John, don't use their language.
Progressive is a nonsense word used by them to camouflage their true intent.
Hey, what's wrong with progress?
As Mike Rosen has said 10,000 times, it is progress on the road to socialism.
Call them what they are- Leftists.
Not liberals. That is different. Leftists are socialist utopians. The only way everyone is equal is when no one is special.
Achieved through total centralized government control of not just the production and distribution of goods and services, but control of thought as well.
And they have caught your ear since you use their words.
Replacing “offender” with “justice-impacted individual.”
Bums and hobos are homeless... nope. Those experiencing homeless. Nope. Unhoused...
Use word that show their true colors.
Leftist. Socialist. Commie. Fucking asshole with a hand in my pocket and a smile on his face.
The relentless creep of socialism is very real.
We must do what we can to slow the tide, every day in every way.
Because they will never stop.
aight, yes, I am feeling it.
Just nobody, I mean, nobody, uses the word leftist today.
Which is understandable if they are all leftists...
Love, Mike Rosen...
Thanks, will think on this.
-John
It's a common misconception that congress is responsible for the budget.
https://www.usa.gov/federal-budget-process
Congress has a role too, but it's actually the executive that develops the budget. Congress gets the publicity for the shutdown drama.
I don't have a crystal ball to say who will spend more, but being Trump leads all historical and current presidents for "spending the most" by dollars, percentages, even inflation adjusted, I honestly think a random 16 year old girl with an unlimited AmEx card would be more fiscally responsible.
ETA: Agree on the constant recasting of the vernacular, and in the wrong way.
Instead of bums, I like distinguishing between homeless (sleeping in car, couch surfing, often employed), and transient (addict who is wasting our planet's oxygen).
"Unhoused" is dumb. What the spend on solving it is even more. LA County spends between 600k-1million per unit to build housing for the "unhoused". That's a wild derail, I know, but also sort of related. Spending reached critical mass during the pandemic and is never coming back. We're going to feel like we're soviet regardless in a few years. You might be able to buy a new cheap TV every year, but you'll only be able to buy the cheapest generic cereal and rice at 50% of your net income.
Unless you're unhoused, of course. Steaks and stuff for those people.
Instead of bums, I like distinguishing between homeless (sleeping in car, couch surfing, often employed), and transient (addict who is wasting our planet's oxygen).
"Unhoused" is dumb. What the spend on solving it is even more. LA County spends between 600k-1million per unit to build housing for the "unhoused". That's a wild derail, I know, but also sort of related. Spending reached critical mass during the pandemic and is never coming back. We're going to feel like we're soviet regardless in a few years. You might be able to buy a new cheap TV every year, but you'll only be able to buy the cheapest generic cereal and rice at 50% of your net income.
Unless you're unhoused, of course. Steaks and stuff for those people.
At this point, the only viable solution for rampant homelessness, addiction, and illegal immigration seems to be Soylent Green production facilities. I believe that would solve many societal problems.
Great-Kazoo
06-08-2024, 17:55
At this point, the only viable solution for rampant homelessness, addiction, and illegal immigration seems to be Soylent Green production facilities. I believe that would solve many societal problems.
Umm excuse me waiter. Yes? there's a syringe in my food ration.
TEAMRICO
06-08-2024, 21:17
Umm excuse me waiter. Yes? there's a syringe in my food ration.
Waiter: Would you like to EXCHANGE it for a fresh one?
Firehaus
06-10-2024, 14:36
I'll put it this way...
Home Buyers Need to Earn $47,000 More Than in 2020 - Zillow Research (https://www.zillow.com/research/buyers-income-needed-33755/)
Sure, people will knee jerk and say "Thats BIDENECONOMICS". Both Biden and Trump contributed to this, with the largest contributor to date being Trump w/ his 40% increase to the national debt, by about 8 Trillion dollars in a single term as well as support for pandemic vote buying. There's a time lag with all the fiat printing before it impacts inflation, coupled with the pandemic "stimulus" fraud, which created supply chain issues that drove it even higher.
Its all Orange Man?s fault!!
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Has nothing to do with the supply of housing from 2010-2015 falling off a cliff.
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Or a mild population boom in the 2000?s.
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I?m sure Politifact is on Trumps payroll. I?m also sure you removed all the covid related costs from the deficit under Trump to help in fairness.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/may/22/hakeem-jeffries/did-donald-trump-rack-up-more-debt-than-any-other/
?Our ruling
Jeffries said Trump "ran up more debt than any other president in American history."
Obama ran up more debt than any other president in American history. If you look at debt accumulated on a per-year basis, Trump?s rate of increase in the debt was higher over four years than over Obama?s eight.
Assigning debt to a particular president can be misleading because so much of it traces back to decades-old, bipartisan legislation that set the parameters for Social Security and Medicare.
The statement contains an element of truth but ignores evidence that would give a different impression, so we rate it Mostly False.?
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You mean Obama ran up just a bit more debt in 8 years than Trump did in 4?
Pretty hard to have credibility and argue about slants if you're relying on heavily slanted reporting as well.
And regarding Trump and Covid...
Did you receive a letter signed by Trump announcing how he heroically came down from the heaven to give you $1,200 and buy your vote? Everyone else did.
Meanwhile, he enthusiastically signed measures that had $10,000 - $20,000 disappear for every $1,200 distraction paid out.
Don't tell me that Trump gets a pass for COVID. He was so fully on board with that crap that he plastered himself all over it.
Firehaus
06-10-2024, 19:10
You mean Obama ran up just a bit more debt in 8 years than Trump did in 4?
Pretty hard to have credibility and argue about slants if you're relying on heavily slanted reporting as well.
Do you think that left leaning Politifact is running cover for the bad Orange man now?
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eddiememphis
06-11-2024, 09:45
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-found-guilty-all-counts-gun-trial
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4714501-hunter-biden-guilty-federal-gun-charges/
Hunter Biden Guilty on all counts.
Even though his father said he will not pardon him, I think he'll do it anyway. President Biden and the truth are not well acquainted.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-found-guilty-all-counts-gun-trial
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4714501-hunter-biden-guilty-federal-gun-charges/
Hunter Biden Guilty on all counts.
Even though his father said he will not pardon him, I think he'll do it anyway. President Biden and the truth are not well acquainted.
ha, that and his memory failure... but i'd put money on it that Hunter never sees any jail time and no pardon is necessary. They probably want the appearance that they support the judicial system and how it's supposed to operate...
TEAMRICO
06-11-2024, 10:36
Somehow this is all Trumps fault! I just must be.
ha, that and his memory failure... but i'd put money on it that Hunter never sees any jail time and no pardon is necessary. They probably want the appearance that they support the judicial system and how it's supposed to operate...
I'm thinking credit for time served (or some such nonsense) and a therapy requirement, along with perhaps a hefty fine to make it feel more "reasonable/acceptable" to the general public... No way he's going to do any length of time anywhere but a "Country Club" minimum security prison.
Just my 2 cents
ETA: For all you legal folks here, and so I don't have to google it, what are the sentencing guidelines for his three infractions?
ETA2: NM, Looks like potential 25yrs total with possible hefty fines. As long as his sentence falls in line with what anyone else ("common citizen") would receive in a similar case, I'm not going to lose any sleep...
eddiememphis
06-11-2024, 11:08
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/verdict-reached-hunter-biden-gun-trial-rcna155458
Two of the counts carry maximum prison sentences of 10 years, while the third has a maximum of five years. Under federal sentencing guideline recommendations, he could be sentenced to over a year in prison, but the judge could sentence him to more or less time. Each count also carries a maximum fine of $250,000.
First time offender and a "recovering" addict. Plus it was a victimless crime.
I am guessing a halfway house for a year. Unless they put off sentencing until after November. He'll get a pardon either way the election turns out.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-found-guilty-all-counts-gun-trial
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4714501-hunter-biden-guilty-federal-gun-charges/
Hunter Biden Guilty on all counts.
Even though his father said he will not pardon him, I think he'll do it anyway. President Biden and the truth are not well acquainted.
The only crime here is that you must ask permission from the government to exercise a right and own tools meant to limit government's tyrany.
Firehaus
06-12-2024, 07:51
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-found-guilty-all-counts-gun-trial
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4714501-hunter-biden-guilty-federal-gun-charges/
Hunter Biden Guilty on all counts.
Even though his father said he will not pardon him, I think he'll do it anyway. President Biden and the truth are not well acquainted.
After the election. Win or lose.
The only crime here is that you must ask permission from the government to exercise a right and own tools meant to limit government's tyrany.
Agree.
But these are laws his father demanded.
You would be held accountable whether you agree with the law or not.
Shouldn?t the son of someone who helped pass these laws also be held accountable to follow the law? We were told this is required for public safety and to keep guns out the hands of dangerous, drug addicts.
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