Shootings in Pueblo

[BushMasterBoy]

Shootout in Pueblo near Popeyes off of hiway 50. Lot of shootings last month. Two men killed fishing at the Reservoir too. Two women shot at bar on the South Side.
Link below has the video.


https://www.kktv.com/2024/07/01/warning-graphic-pueblo-police-release-video-deadly-officer-involved-shooting-outside-popeyes/

[drew890]

Well, I mean, it is Pueblo…

[APEXgunparts]

I bet that first shot he fired inside that Dodge left him stunned and about deaf!
Shooting point blank thru a windshield is not something you just do!
Once again, if you just do as the Police tell you, you get to be revolved right back out on the street in this soft on crime state, but now its a death investigation.

Richard

[eddiememphis]

Well, I mean, it is Pueblo…

Well, I mean, it is Popeyes...

[TEAMRICO]

So many of these Legal and Responsible Gun Owners causing so much mayhem out there!
If they just made more laws……

Now Church’s Chicken I could see this going down…..Church’s is always near the hood.

[kidicarus13]

Martinjmpr seems to really like Pueblo. Who am I to judge, I've only ever been to the Lottery office downtown and the motorcycle track.

[BushMasterBoy]

It was nice and quiet when I moved here. Windows open at night listening to the coyotes howl. Now it is just constant growth. And to think I could have bought an ocean front house. I feel stupid.

[theGinsue]

Pueblo tends to be synonymous in folks minds with murder, other personal violent crime, car theft and general crime. Just the reputation the city has earned.

But, crime in general is growing. I believe it's a direct result of many things:
Soft-on-crime prosecution
Illegal immigration
Participation trophy/Everyone is special/"I'll give it to you, you don't have to work for it" child rearing - until the real world hits them in the face

Plus, it's easier to take what someone else has and more and more people are putting less and less value to human life ("I'll take your $5 item and if you get in my way, I'll kill you").

Humandkind is a lost cause, but some of us live in the hot spots for bad decisions (Pueblo).

We've all gotta live somewhere, but we also need to be realistic about our own environment (which is why I sleep so poorly anymore).

[Hummer]

I mostly worry about sneaky bears, surprise moose charges, and lions in the dark on my six. More fascination than worry, really. You guys can have your big ugly cities. They're far more dangerous.

[FoxtArt]

A study had 42% of Gen Z thinking first-person fraud is OK (falsely charging back credit cards for products received, or falsely asserting products were not delivered when they were to get refunds).

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gen-zers-disillusioned-economy-think-101419202.html

This is essentially doubled from Millennials (22%).

Additionally long running study/surveys that have been going on for decades have seen significant spikes in narcissism and ego...

Honestly the participating trophy thing is where Millennials came from, it was a issue with mildly inflated ego or probably lack of motivation in some, but that's hardly the issue today - and the Millennials are no longer a problem.

The big thing with Gen Z is the parents (usually Gen X) often trying to keep their kids from experiencing any adversity at all, and the whole world revolves around the child, coupled with a generation raised within social media where everyone thinks they are a celebrity and you can potentially get rich off of no labor by going "viral". There are also more only children these days than traditionally as well which is an issue of itself (raised without competition)... and will continue to be. All together it makes for some f'ing sociopathic tyrants. Fortunately it's still in the minority, but not by enough of a margin. I'm not sure where Alpha will land, but the world-revolving around the child is still an issue and coupled with the only-child thing it's probably getting worse.

And yeah, the soft-on-crime approach is also coupled/in part, caused by a rising # of events. Our system is just not made to deal with it. With the # of cases, they flat out catch and release a lot more, everywhere (even conservative places) and it's a business of it's own right built around forcing pleas regardless of guilt or innocence, so the plea quality has also gone down to move more cases. Our judicial system is from the worst part of the middle ages (founding fathers fucked this up, respectfully], and adapts about as quickly as a 500 year-old institution with fake wigs.

I'll ETA: Another big contributing factor is it is becoming harder to survive. COL vs income is getting shittier across the nation as the countries "credit card debt" continues to climb, debt maintenance is becoming the biggest part of our government spending, and we're in so much deficit that we're constantly printing money. No, this isn't because of Biden, both sides have been shit, Trump especially. In any event, homelessness has dramatically increased, and addictions from people with no resilience, etc. Most people are paycheck to paycheck or worse. Ya'll saw America at it's peak probably in the 90's.

[eddiememphis]

Crime is always committed because of bad decisions.

Without a strong moral foundation, those bad decisions are often the easiest to make. It take a concerted effort to be good- being bad is easy.

Blame trophies or social media or lack of siblings but that is not the core issue.

When parents refuse or are incapable of teaching their children how to make good decisions based on strong, traditional moral beliefs, there will be more societal deviants.

[eddiememphis]

I mostly worry about sneaky bears, surprise moose charges, and lions in the dark on my six.

How do you stop a moose from charging?

Take away his credit cards!

[BushMasterBoy]

Chart shows the population growth of Colorado over the last several decades. We have more people competing for the same amount of resources. Largest construction project in Pueblo County right now is the new jail.

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[battlemidget]

I tend to think that Pueblo is affected by ABQ's organized criminal elements and the natural rat line drift up I25.

[SAnd]

A study had 42% of Gen Z thinking first-person fraud is OK (falsely charging back credit cards for products received, or falsely asserting products were not delivered when they were to get refunds).

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gen-zers-disillusioned-economy-think-101419202.html

This is essentially doubled from Millennials (22%).

Additionally long running study/surveys that have been going on for decades have seen significant spikes in narcissism and ego...

Honestly the participating trophy thing is where Millennials came from, it was a issue with mildly inflated ego or probably lack of motivation in some, but that's hardly the issue today - and the Millennials are no longer a problem.

The big thing with Gen Z is the parents (usually Gen X) often trying to keep their kids from experiencing any adversity at all, and the whole world revolves around the child, coupled with a generation raised within social media where everyone thinks they are a celebrity and you can potentially get rich off of no labor by going "viral". There are also more only children these days than traditionally as well which is an issue of itself (raised without competition)... and will continue to be. All together it makes for some f'ing sociopathic tyrants. Fortunately it's still in the minority, but not by enough of a margin. I'm not sure where Alpha will land, but the world-revolving around the child is still an issue and coupled with the only-child thing it's probably getting worse.

And yeah, the soft-on-crime approach is also coupled/in part, caused by a rising # of events. Our system is just not made to deal with it. With the # of cases, they flat out catch and release a lot more, everywhere (even conservative places) and it's a business of it's own right built around forcing pleas regardless of guilt or innocence, so the plea quality has also gone down to move more cases. Our judicial system is from the worst part of the middle ages (founding fathers fucked this up, respectfully], and adapts about as quickly as a 500 year-old institution with fake wigs.

I'll ETA: Another big contributing factor is it is becoming harder to survive. COL vs income is getting shittier across the nation as the countries "credit card debt" continues to climb, debt maintenance is becoming the biggest part of our government spending, and we're in so much deficit that we're constantly printing money. No, this isn't because of Biden, both sides have been shit, Trump especially. In any event, homelessness has dramatically increased, and addictions from people with no resilience, etc. Most people are paycheck to paycheck or worse. Ya'll saw America at it's peak probably in the 90's.

"The worst thing about living in the declining era of a great civilization is knowing that you are." -- Robert A. Heinlein

[Hummer]

How do you stop a moose from charging?

Take away his credit cards!

Ha! I'll have to use that one. I doubt if I will work on the moose though.

[buffalobo]

Ha! I'll have to use that one. I doubt if I will work on the moose though.Wave a gold card in front of rampaging cow might at least slow her down.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[FoxtArt]

Wave a gold card in front of rampaging cow might at least slow her down.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

Just don't call her a rampaging cow while doing it or she'll beat you to death with her purse.

[brutal]

F*ck.

Wife and I stopped at that Popeyes Friday 6-21 for lunch after leaving the lake.

Guess we'll cross Pueblo stops off our list.

[theGinsue]

I tend to think that Pueblo is affected by ABQ's organized criminal elements and the natural rat line drift up I25.

A lot of truth to that.

When I played Air Force cop we had a reservist who was part of the CSPD anti-gang unit. He educated us on the gang and drug pipeline that passes up I-25. There's a LOT of drug traffic that passes through Pueblo to the Springs. Some of it cuts across Hwy 24 to I-70, most continues up I-25 to Denver and branches out from there, with a lot of it heading to Chicago. But for one reason or another, a lot of the riff-raff gang bangers like to linger around Pueblo.

[ben4372]

I tend to think that Pueblo is affected by ABQ's organized criminal elements and the natural rat line drift up I25.

You might be on to something. My friend working a project that has him all over ABQ. He cant figure out why people would liv there if they had a choice. It was gross 10 years ago. It's worse. Kinda sad, because it pretty down there.

[BushMasterBoy]

DEA report below. It is obvious that the drugs enter the US along the southwest borders. Latest reports say the cartels have acquired anti-aircraft missiles. We are in a real drug war, but it doesn't get a lot of press. Even the presidents son is an addict. The US will not bring effective action until something so egregious happens, there is public outrage.

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-07/dir06515.pdf

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/06/29/mexican-cartels-increased-firepower-us-weapons/74226110007/

[FoxtArt]

Effective action... with Gen Z voting nowadays? You are more likely to see the decriminalization of fentanyl and a mild tariff established on the stuff.

They don't judge self-medication, because their mom yelled at them once and gave them PTSD.

[JohnnyDrama]

I tend to think that Pueblo is affected by ABQ's organized criminal elements and the natural rat line drift up I25.

It originates in Mexico and travels north. Cortez is conveniently located halfway between Albuquerque and Grand Junction/I70 for traffic that wants to avoid the mountains.


A lot of truth to that.

When I played Air Force cop we had a reservist who was part of the CSPD anti-gang unit. He educated us on the gang and drug pipeline that passes up I-25. There's a LOT of drug traffic that passes through Pueblo to the Springs. Some of it cuts across Hwy 24 to I-70, most continues up I-25 to Denver and branches out from there, with a lot of it heading to Chicago. But for one reason or another, a lot of the riff-raff gang bangers like to linger around Pueblo.

We have a similar phenomenon occurring here. There is a debate among the local law enforcement about how much of the gang influence is transient and the amount of permanent residence.


DEA report below. It is obvious that the drugs enter the US along the southwest borders. Latest reports say the cartels have acquired anti-aircraft missiles. We are in a real drug war, but it doesn't get a lot of press. Even the presidents son is an addict. The US will not bring effective action until something so egregious happens, there is public outrage.

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-07/dir06515.pdf

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/06/29/mexican-cartels-increased-firepower-us-weapons/74226110007/

Unfortunately, I believe this is true. Until a very high-profile crime occurs, these shootings will be swept under the rug. It's always the gun's fault. There was a shooting a few blocks from where I live this past fall that was attributed to gang involvement. There was another shooting last night at the park where the fireworks show was being held that caused the show to be cut short. So far nothing has been reported about it. Not even the shooting. There was also an overdose. A busy night for first responders. The politicians would rather try to ban the guns than deal with the gangs/drugs.

[brutal]

DEA report below. It is obvious that the drugs enter the US along the southwest borders. Latest reports say the cartels have acquired anti-aircraft missiles. We are in a real drug war, but it doesn't get a lot of press. Even the president's closest advisor is an addict. The US will not bring effective action until something so egregious happens, there is public outrage.

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-07/dir06515.pdf

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/06/29/mexican-cartels-increased-firepower-us-weapons/74226110007/

FIFY

[BushMasterBoy]

FIFY

A child was shot in Pueblo yesterday. You did not fix anything.

[brutal]

A child was shot in Pueblo yesterday. You did not fix anything.

:(

I couldn't imagine life without my kids when they were young, or my closest grandson now. Life would be unbearable if something happened to him.