View Full Version : Will He Stay or Will He Go?
eddiememphis
07-11-2024, 09:24
Things are not looking rosy for good old regular Joe from Scranton.
More Democrats in power are calling for him to step aside. Is this done out of genuine concern for the country or concern for their own electability? Who knows.
After the debate, I read somewhere that pressure from other politicians is meaningless.
Once the donors start clambering for his ouster, that's when the shit hits the fan.
George Clooney was one of the hosts of a fundraising extravaganza a couple of weeks ago, raising $30 million. Yesterday, the New York Times published his letter claiming its time for Joe to go.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/10/opinion/joe-biden-democratic-nominee.html
"I love Joe Biden. As a senator. As a vice president and as president. I consider him a friend, and I believe in him. Believe in his character. Believe in his morals. In the last four years, he's won many of the battles he's faced.
But the one battle he cannot win is the fight against time. None of us can. It's devastating to say it, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fund-raiser was not the Joe "big F-ing deal" Biden of 2010. He wasn't even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate.
We are not going to win in November with this president. "
Powerful stuff that will likely resonate more strongly with the democrat voters than the baseless assurances of competency coming from Nancy Pelosi and others.
I wonder if he does drop if the Repubs would be celebrating it much like the time they were absolutely celebrating the nomination of Barrack Hussein Obama vs. Hillary.
Most likely, you end up with worse.
BushMasterBoy
07-11-2024, 15:47
If we get into armed conflict with the Russians, there will be war in US streets. Probably why Obama was at 10 Downing Street recently. US bases in Europe are being rearmed with fission weapons. I do not think POTUS is capable of leading in these circumstances. The GOP could field the FL gov and he could probably win. Or the typical intelligence community runs the country via the military industrial complex i.e. the Fed, Wall Street bankers & Pentagon. Maybe I should buy a satellite phone?
Little Dutch
07-11-2024, 18:03
So you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
...Great, now it's stuck in my head.
The tard on the ballot does not matter, the shithole cities in so-called swing states will deliver a margin that Josef Stain would applaud
Bumbling press conference today.
The Dems. Have themselves stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they don't stick with Joe, Kamala would be the next most logical choice, BUT IF they skip over her, I think it would be disasterous for them, after all she is a she and a "black" she and they'll lose a lot of women and blacks without her leading the charge. BUT if they keep letting Biden show himself for what he is, it's about just as bad.
However it works out, it is very interesting watching the Dems skirm
TEAMRICO
07-11-2024, 23:20
She is not “African American”.
She is not “African American”.
Indeed, but unfortunately, the d's have been portraying her that way from the outset and it is only public perception that matters. For all the low info/uninformed voters, she ticks that box and they willingly accept it. If the R's call her out as Jamaican-Indian, and NOT African-American, they will likely be derided as racist and misogynistic. Lose-Lose for R's either way.
Lineal heritage aside, she's still a piss-poor candidate by any stretch of the imagination.
The democrat voters will tow the party line regardless of their candidate. They could put Mr. Potato Head on the ballot and they would show up in droves and vote for him.
Unfortunately, republicans aren?t as devoted to their party and if the republicans put forth a candidate that is less than appealing they will gladly waste their vote on some third party candidate that they like better.
They could put Mr. Potato Head on the ballot and they would show up in droves and vote for him.
Hmm. Come to think of it, I believe they did put Mr. Potato Head on the ballot last time around and it worked out for them.
eddiememphis
07-12-2024, 08:17
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eddiememphis
07-12-2024, 08:26
Yesterday's press conference did nothing to dissuade those that think he should get out. Those that think he should stay and thought he did a great job.
I think the damage has been done with the electorate. People tend to remember and emphasize bad things over good. So he would need a huge turnaround in order to win back voters.
Given his age, that is not going to happen.
He is always been a stubborn, self-centered person willing to say quite literally anything in order to gain and retain power. It simply is not in his personality to walk away from the most powerful job in the world, one that he has been working towards for 40+ years.
He will run. He will lose. Kamala will go away. The Democrats will field a new team of younger, more palatable candidates in 2028, likely to include Jared Polis.
Yesterday's press conference did nothing to dissuade those that think he should get out. Those that think he should stay and thought he did a great job.
I think the damage has been done with the electorate. People tend to remember and emphasize bad things over good. So he would need a huge turnaround in order to win back voters.
Given his age, that is not going to happen.
He is always been a stubborn, self-centered person willing to say quite literally anything in order to gain and retain power. It simply is not in his personality to walk away from the most powerful job in the world, one that he has been working towards for 40+ years.
He will run. He will lose. Kamala will go away. The Democrats will field a new team of younger, more palatable candidates in 2028, likely to include Jared Polis.
You may be right, but I think they'll convince him to drop out or else resign the presidency. All they'd have left is for Joe to drop out a second story window.
"He is always been a stubborn, self-centered person willing to say quite literally anything in order to gain and retain power."
Sorry, you spelled "dick" wrong.....
eddiememphis
07-12-2024, 13:54
You may be right, but I think they'll convince him to drop out or else resign the presidency. All they'd have left is for Joe to drop out a second story window.
How? What do you use to get him to change his mind?
He has money. I doubt there is anything in his closet to be used as leverage. He is likely too self centered that an appeal "for the good of the nation" or party would sway him.
He is exactly where he has spent his entire life trying to be and I think he honestly believes he is doing a great job.
Those in cognitive decline don't think they are having an issue. That is why you have to hide Grandma's keys. She thinks she can drive just fine.
He said the only way he would step aside is if God told him to. I don't think he meant Obama.
Hey, Clintons.
I heard Biden has some dirt on you.
There. Fixed. No worry about Joe running for reelection.
JohnnyDrama
07-12-2024, 16:12
Hey, Clintons.
I heard Biden has some dirt on you.
There. Fixed. No worry about Joe running for reelection.
I bet he does. He's been in Washington long enough to have dirt on everyone.
If anything untimely happens to him, it with probably leak.
It doesn't matter what puppet they choose, that puppet will "win"; I guess they just don't want their puppet to look like a bumbling buffoon even though that bumbling buffoon "won" a record number of votes in the last election. In other words, it doesn't matter. The face of this farce is just that. Biden is the perfect reflection of what this really is and what this country has really become.
Not official yet, but Biden is out. Will probably be announced early next week. They are withholding over 90 million in campaign contributions and nearly the entire DNC is begging him to "please consider stepping down."
I think he will do what he is told by the puppet masters.
There are going to be some pissed off dems who contributed to the Biden campaign only to have someone else take his place.
<Going to consult the magic 8 ball>
There is something else that matter that no one is talking.
A Hunter pardon.
Hunter is getting ready. Judge said she will set sentencing date withing 120 days of verdict. That is Oct 9th. Right before election.
Joe (Hunter) is between a rock and hard place. I dont see how Hunter gets less than 6 months (reports are sentencing guidelines are 6 to 21 months).
Part of any decision by Joe (and reports are Hunter is basically running the show right now) is how to keep Hunter out of prison before the election.
It is old and has some level of serious cognitive decline.... but he knows he doesnt want his kid in prison and has the power to stop it...
My only regret is that the first debate was held too soon. Had it been done last week it would be way too late for any shenanigans
eddiememphis
07-17-2024, 16:33
Just diagnosed with COVID.
Is this opening the exit door a crack?
It's the exit route for sure, perfect reason too!
If you had predicted a month ago, that this was going happen with the debate, assassination attempt and Biden bailout, they would think you were nuts!
Very interesting time to witness history.
Biden is a dick but, if he is sick, I wish him well.
bellavite1
07-17-2024, 20:28
Well, fuck him and the horse he rode in on.
eddiememphis
07-18-2024, 08:22
He can't get into a car unassisted.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/18/us-news/biden-walks-slowly-off-air-force-one-appears-to-get-assistance-into-car-after-covid-diagnosis/
He can't recall "the black guy"s name.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-appears-forget-name-his-secretary-defense-during-bet-interview
Pelosi and Schiff are trying to kick him out.
https://rollcall.com/2024/07/17/schiff-urging-biden-to-quit-race-shows-issue-is-not-going-away/
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/17/politics/nancy-pelosi-biden-conversation/index.html
He may consider dropping out if told to do so- follow the science
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/biden-says-d-re-evaluate-staying-race-diagnosed-medical-condition-rcna162469
“If I have some medical condition that emerged,” Biden said in the interview, which aired Wednesday night, when asked if there was anything that would warrant his re-evaluation of his campaign. “If somebody, if the doctors came to me and said you got this problem, that problem.”
He will be gone by the end of the month.
Biden has been dead for awhile. Weve been watching an up-budgeted version of SNL for awhile now.
eddiememphis
07-21-2024, 12:06
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-ends-bid-second-term-white-house-he-drops-out-his-2024-rematch-trump
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-election-07-21-24/index.html
He quit!
“And while it has been my intention to seek reelection, I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me to stand down and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as President for the remainder of my term,”
eddiememphis
07-21-2024, 12:22
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I’m a bit disappointed. Wanted to see more Trump v Biden debates.
eddiememphis
07-21-2024, 12:48
Joe endorses Kamala.
My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.
The comment section over on Slate says Kamala will mop the floor with him.
Alex Jones says Hillary is going to be the pick.
Stupid question, can a delegates contribution funds be transferred to another delegate?
eddiememphis
07-21-2024, 13:13
Stupid question, can a delegates contribution funds be transferred to another delegate?
I think only if they are on the same ticket. So Harris can get the cash, otherwise they have to refund it.
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-07-19/what-happens-to-bidens-campaign-money-if-he-drops-out
Since $2,000 is the limit to transfer money between federal campaign committees per election cycle, Ghosh said, the Biden campaign couldn’t legally contribute all of its campaign money to a new candidate.
Instead, “Biden’s campaign would have to offer to refund the money to donors, who could then contribute to the new candidate’s campaign,” or “transfer an unlimited amount to the DNC, which could then spend the money supporting the new presidential nominee, and up to $32.3 million of that spending could be coordinated with the new nominee,” said Ghosh.
That sounds pretty time consuming, would you have to contact donors to see if the want to roll their contributions for Biden into Kackeling Kamala’s coffer? I’m sure some would be against it.
It’s going to be an interesting week ahead.
Good Lord, now it's Kamaltoe the Klueless? I don't want ANY Democrat in the WH, but the DNC has to shit out a better candidate than Kamaltoe, and not Killary or Michelle/Michael either.
Kamala is no shoe in, YET. Probably be her but not a given. Going to be interesting to watch.
Just think about how giddy she is right now!
Nice Kamala the Giant image , I saw him wrestle in the 80’s. Big guy!
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jared Polis come up on the ticket with Kamala… or maybe he wants to be prez, not VP, but I guess we will see.
Great-Kazoo
07-21-2024, 16:16
Kamala is no shoe in, YET. Probably be her but not a given. Going to be interesting to watch.
Follow the money. The question is. Who have the D's and as biden called them ( elites) within the party tapped to run.
BladesNBarrels
07-21-2024, 16:29
I wouldn?t be surprised to see Jared Polis come up on the ticket with Kamala? or maybe he wants to be prez, not VP, but I guess we will see.
Dick Wadhams and Jon Caldara talked briefly about this on the last Devil's Advocate Show on PBS Channel 12.
The net result was Colorado has already been delivered to the Democrats, so Governor Polis doesn't bring anything for her.
They concluded he is probably looking at 2028.
But, he might have a voice at the Convention.
Weird times.
eddiememphis
07-21-2024, 17:06
Whomever is on the Democrat ticket this year is going to lose. They will stick some loser with Harris, likely the Governor of Pennsylvania.
They will ramp up the enthusiasm for '28 with some fresh faces, trying to distance themselves from the Biden debacle- especially if Trump is somewhat successful.
When Trump wins, look for a mass retirement of Democrats. A lot of the old faces will move on, opening the door for new blood.
There will likely be a move towards the center since DEI and all the race/gay/antifa garbage is not polling well.
It will be Vance against whatever "moderates" will gain attention, including and especially Polis.
We know his story but he has been positioning himself as a centrist, even as a libertarian. He has the pedigree many will like- businessman, US representative, Governor and of course, gay.
But he is much too smart to attach himself to this losing group.
kidicarus13
07-21-2024, 17:34
Former President Barack Obama didn?t endorse Kamala Harris ? saying Democrats would pick an unnamed ?outstanding nominee? in his first statement on?President Biden stepping aside?from the party?s ticket.
?We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead,? said Obama, 62. ?But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges.?
They have about or is it over 100-300 million in the re-elect pool - I guess it is time to convert that into pocket change and get a kickback.
When in trouble, or in doubt,
Run in circles, scream and shout!!
I think it was early February that I predicted on these pages the Dems would replace Biden by late July or August and throw in politicians younger than the elderly and widely unpopular Trump.
Not a prediction, just wild speculation that Michelle Obama will step in as the VP candidate, cementing the "underserved" minorities of brown blackish, black, and women. Add to that, Kamala is of Indian and Jamaican descent and her husband is Jewish. It'll be the girls vs. the boys. The identity politics thing on steroids. Will middle America working moms buy into that? The Indians, Caribbeans and Jewish?
J.D. Vance's youth and Indian wife may be plusses, but he keeps saying stupid stuff that the silent majority conservatives don't regard as good international policy.
Whomever is on the Democrat ticket this year is going to lose. They will stick some loser with Harris, likely the Governor of Pennsylvania.
They will ramp up the enthusiasm for '28 with some fresh faces, trying to distance themselves from the Biden debacle- especially if Trump is somewhat successful.
When Trump wins, look for a mass retirement of Democrats. A lot of the old faces will move on, opening the door for new blood.
There will likely be a move towards the center since DEI and all the race/gay/antifa garbage is not polling well.
It will be Vance against whatever "moderates" will gain attention, including and especially Polis.
We know his story but he has been positioning himself as a centrist, even as a libertarian. He has the pedigree many will like- businessman, US representative, Governor and of course, gay.
But he is much too smart to attach himself to this losing group.
In 2024 Gay and other similar forms of moral decay/debauchery doesnt sell like it used to.
BPTactical
07-22-2024, 05:54
Whomever is on the Democrat ticket this year is going to lose. They will stick some loser with Harris, likely the Governor of Pennsylvania.
They will ramp up the enthusiasm for '28 with some fresh faces, trying to distance themselves from the Biden debacle- especially if Trump is somewhat successful.
When Trump wins, look for a mass retirement of Democrats. A lot of the old faces will move on, opening the door for new blood.
There will likely be a move towards the center since DEI and all the race/gay/antifa garbage is not polling well.
It will be Vance against whatever "moderates" will gain attention, including and especially Polis.
We know his story but he has been positioning himself as a centrist, even as a libertarian. He has the pedigree many will like- businessman, US representative, Governor and of course, gay.
But he is much too smart to attach himself to this losing group.
No way, no how the Dems relinquish power in any form.
You thought the 2020 deception/fraud machine was effective?
We ain’t seen shit.
hollohas
07-22-2024, 06:55
This has been the Dem plan all along. Many have predicted this. While it's anyone's guess who they will pick (my guess is Newsom), anyone other than Harris is going to gain a ton of Dem support. They intentionally destroyed Biden, with media support, at the last minute to temporarily tank Dem hopes.
This will result in a huge amount of new Dem energy when they get a fresh face. And it will make it less obvious when they cheat (no one would believe Biden won, but no one is going to question extra votes for someone new).
We would have been better off if Biden stayed in. It was a guaranteed loss. I have zero confidence that Trump will win now.
buffalobo
07-22-2024, 18:16
Question answered, he went.
Don't need this thread and dead pres thread will be new hotness.
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