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buffalobo
07-13-2024, 16:45
Probably won't be the last attempt.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6357895335112
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
theGinsue
07-13-2024, 16:47
He was grazed. He was damned lucky!
I hope they catch the shooter.
Like the man or not, we can't have that sort of thing in our country.
BushMasterBoy
07-13-2024, 16:50
Looks like he was shot wih pellet gun and hit near the ear. I saw blood.
you can hear pops in the audio, more than a pellet gun.
"Staged"
NO FUCKIN WAY anyone is taking that risk while they're up to be president.
eddiememphis
07-13-2024, 17:04
WOW!
Ear is bloody.
Was Alec Baldwin out there shooting a movie?
eddiememphis
07-13-2024, 17:10
Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, Democrat of New York and the majority leader, in a statement says, “I am horrified by what happened at the Trump rally in Pennsylvania and relieved that former President Trump is safe. Political violence has no place in our country.”
Elon Musk, the tech billionaire, publicly endorsed Donald Trump in a statement minutes after the shooting. “I fully endorse President Trump and hope for his rapid recovery,” he wrote on X.
eddiememphis
07-13-2024, 17:11
Vice President Kamala Harris has wrapped up her speech here in Philadelphia. She condemned former President Donald J. Trump as a leader who “incites hate” and said that he should never again “stand behind the seal of the president of the United States of America.”
APEXgunparts
07-13-2024, 17:17
Looks like what missed Donald Trump hit a bystander.
A woman in the crowd was shot.
She may not make it.
Richard
Will be interesting to see who is behind it. Most crazy libs couldn't get close. That would be the knee-jerk assumption.
There's a lot of domestic and especially international interests that also want to see the U.S. destabilized as well. Quite curious to see who did it, I'm sure a number of those sounds were the from the SS returning fire.
Problem is it's not only psychos that don't want Trump elected that might want to try... it's also people who want the US to rip apart. That's a lot of enemies to be concerned about.
buffalobo
07-13-2024, 17:33
Reported that shooter and a bystander deceased.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
Shooter and rally attendee are dead.
Still can't conceive being a human shield for a politician.
eddiememphis
07-13-2024, 17:37
96953
This picture just won him the Presidency.
Shooter dead, 1 bystander dead and at least one more in critical condition
It’s going to be a long news night. Sounded like more than one gun.
eddiememphis
07-13-2024, 17:38
Still nothing from Joe.
By the way, has anyone seen Hillary?
End of his open air rallies, perhaps?
Great-Kazoo
07-13-2024, 17:49
They interviewed a guy who was behind him. Covered in bloot on upper right side from either trump, or other victims.
NOW. Let's be honest. IF this was biden.
We'd already know the shooters name, political affiliation, what he had for lunch in H.S. and skin tone.
Great-Kazoo
07-13-2024, 17:51
Will be interesting to see who is behind it. Most crazy libs couldn't get close. That would be the knee-jerk assumption.
There's a lot of domestic and especially international interests that also want to see the U.S. destabilized as well. Quite curious to see who did it, I'm sure a number of those sounds were the from the SS returning fire.
Problem is it's not only psychos that don't want Trump elected that might want to try... it's also people who want the US to rip apart. That's a lot of enemies to be concerned about.
Can't disagree with this, at all. Last thing a foreign country would be someone like trump. Who would not accept the same crap they got over on biden
eddiememphis
07-13-2024, 17:51
What kind of gun?
I sure hope it wasn't an evil AR.
It wasn't loud- people didn't scramble. I wonder if he has a suppressor.
Great-Kazoo
07-13-2024, 17:53
96953
This picture just won him the Presidency.
No shit. Great for get the vote out, too
https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1812265909727396107?t=M8WyJjF1LSK8eMxDR2C5YQ&s=19
Guy who vlaims he witnessed the shooter climbing onto a roof with a rifle
What kind of gun?
I sure hope it wasn't an evil AR.
It wasn't loud- people didn't scramble. I wonder if he has a suppressor.
Likely a full auto AR ghost Glock with a bumpstock the goes up.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240714/47073741048e20f1c7b710dc4fe6d8b0.png
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TEAMRICO
07-13-2024, 18:37
https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1812276324817604823/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1812276324817604823¤tTweetUser=CitizenFreePres
Alleged video of shooter dead on a rooftop.
eddiememphis
07-13-2024, 18:45
First Dr. Ruth dies. Then Richard Simmons. Now this.
I think we are at the end times...
eddiememphis
07-13-2024, 18:48
I just ordered 150,000 MAGA hats. Going to take them to the range tomorrow and shoot them, then sell 'em for $75 each.
Scanker19
07-13-2024, 19:03
What kind of gun?
I sure hope it wasn't an evil AR.
It wasn't loud- people didn't scramble. I wonder if he has a suppressor.
Sounded like a .22
https://x.com/NEWSMAX/status/1812252594825244726?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1812252594825244726%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
This is the best video, I?ve seen, of the shooting.
Too much ?hear say? about the shooter right now. He climbed the bleachers. He was on a rooftop?.
Looking at all the videos so far...
Trump's SS detail failed big time. How could they not see an obvious vantage point and not have them monitored. One guy said they were pointing the shooter to the SS for 2-3 minutes. If true, not only a complete failure, but possible conspiracy theory stuff...
Anyone following the sniper angle?
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APEXgunparts
07-13-2024, 19:24
I think that is the S.S. counter-sniper that killed the would be assassin.
Richard
Scanker19
07-13-2024, 19:42
Is Scotty boy retarded. The good guy with the gun shot the shooter…0
TEAMRICO
07-13-2024, 19:53
96955
A little stall by the SS on getting Trump up and off the stage.
?Let me get my shoes?! ? He says.
This is going to be good! Like him or not, I agree that photo with Trump with his fist raised, blood on his face and the flag in the background won the election.
BushMasterBoy
07-13-2024, 19:59
Pic of the wound.
96956
I believe Trump would've come right back to the pulpit if the SS would've let him.
It?s going to be a long news night. Sounded like more than one gun.
It was, one gun pointed toward Trump and one pointing away from Trump with return fire
JohnnyDrama
07-13-2024, 20:30
96953
This picture just won him the Presidency.
Trumps going to be in trouble with the Secret Service and his wife for that stunt....
BPTactical
07-13-2024, 21:31
So they will send up drones from the local yokel police department to locate fireworks but the protection agency responsible for the most powerful persons on the planet miss that opportunity?
I have seen numerous references that the Trump campaign/personnel repeatedly requested additional security resources in the last couple of months but those requests were denied.
A shooter was able to gain access to an elevated position within 200 meters of a former President/Presidential candidate.
Same shooter was called out by numerous parties to LE prior to shots being fired.
Aloha_Shooter
07-13-2024, 21:38
Will be interesting to see who is behind it. Most crazy libs couldn't get close. That would be the knee-jerk assumption.
That's very much a knee-jerk assumption. From what I've heard, Trump has insisted on relatively loose security at his rallies in the past because he wants his fans to be able to get close. Remember the shooting at the Republican Congressional baseball practice.
I expect the authorities will find the shooter is a lone nut like the guy who shot Scalise and that he has been increasingly desperate since Biden's debate fiasco.
I believe Trump would've come right back to the pulpit if the SS would've let him.
That would have been epic! Just like Teddy Roosevelt. That miss is beyond luck, glad he is doing well.
buffalobo
07-13-2024, 21:54
Secret Service missed a 20 yr old camo clad whacko scaling a steel building less than 200 yds from the stage?
Trump campaign has requested and been denied extra personnel?
Trump needs to wise up and tighten security and Kimberly Cheatle needs to resign right after testifying before congressional committee if the above answers are affirmative.
The citizens who lost their lives as a result deserve accountability from Cheatle.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
eddiememphis
07-13-2024, 21:55
That's very much a knee-jerk assumption. From what I've heard, Trump has insisted on relatively loose security at his rallies in the past because he wants his fans to be able to get close. Remember the shooting at the Republican Congressional baseball practice.
I expect the authorities will find the shooter is a lone nut like the guy who shot Scalise and that he has been increasingly desperate since Biden's debate fiasco.
Dan Bongino disagrees-
https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1812295745921257983
I want to repeat, and can absolutely confirm, the USSS Director Kim Cheatle has repeatedly turned down requests for a larger security footprint around President Trump. Despite knowing the threat level is catastrophic.
I agree with your assessment that it's just some lost and lonely soul, acting on his own.
There was a pretty gnarly picture of him on Twitter after he lost an argument with the sniper's bullet. Young white male.
buffalobo
07-13-2024, 21:57
That would have been epic! Just like Teddy Roosevelt. That miss is beyond luck, glad he is doing well.Especially at less than 200yds.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
eddiememphis
07-13-2024, 21:59
96957
He deleted his account after posting this.
.455_Hunter
07-13-2024, 22:22
96957
He deleted his account after posting this.
I am not surprised. Even Kyle Clark posted on this sicko
BREATHER
07-14-2024, 04:03
a bunch of years ago, Obummer was at Lincoln HS on Federal. I know a guy that owns a business on Iliff. He went on his own roof with binoculars. Within minutes, the SS was there "requesting" that he gets off the roof.
eddiememphis
07-14-2024, 08:03
https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/pictured-thomas-matthew-crooks-who-shot-trump/
Immediately after he began shooting, Secret Service snipers took the 20-year-old out. He was found with an AR-style semi-automatic assault rifle and was wearing a shirt for a popular gun YouTube channel, Demolition Ranch, which has over 11 million subscribers.
The classmate added: “He was more of a loner. He probably had a friend group, but not many friends.
According to state voter status records, he was a registered Republican.
He also made a single $15 donation to the liberal ActBlue political action committee on Jan. 20, 2021 — President Biden’s Inauguration Day, the Intercept reported.
Another lost, lonely kid.
The picture I saw looked like he may have taken the sniper's bullet in the mouth, although I could only see the right side of his head.
BushMasterBoy
07-14-2024, 09:27
I was just surprised at the lack of ballistic shields available near the podium. It could have been a lot worse and shields are much more effective than agents bodies. I can't wait to move back to the beach...
BushMasterBoy
07-14-2024, 11:29
Divine Intervention?
yeah ...338 LaPua
eddiememphis
07-14-2024, 11:31
Divine Intervention?
Read the comments on Slate or the New York Times.
Many are certain it was an unholy intervention.
Some are convinced this is a sure sign that Trump is literally Satan.
It makes as much sense as all the conspiracy theories floating around.
eddiememphis
07-14-2024, 11:36
yeah ...338 LaPua
https://www.twz.com/33818/about-that-huge-rifle-the-secret-service-sniper-was-carrying-during-trumps-photo-op-walk
Suppressed .308, .300 WinMag or .338 Lapua. 5-25x56 scope. AX chassis.
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Grant H.
07-14-2024, 11:54
Divine Intervention?
[ROFL1]
For an immoral narcissistic billionaire?
This is either the "establishment" putting Trump in the Oval to then collapse the economy and have it be the (quasi)Republicans fault, or this is a "warning" that he is more than touchable and needs to tow the line.
Either way, the People of America will lose in 2025 and beyond.
eddiememphis
07-14-2024, 13:26
This is either the "establishment" putting Trump in the Oval to then collapse the economy and have it be the (quasi)Republicans fault, or this is a "warning" that he is more than touchable and needs to tow the line.
Yeah.
There's no way it could possibly yet another nerdy loner loser that was picked on all his life.
That never happens. It has to be some hidden cabal of "they" that are pulling the puppet strings.
This one is completely different.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/14/trump-rally-suspected-gunman-what-we-know
A young man who described himself as a former schoolmate of Crooks at Bethel Park high school spoke with reporters Sunday recalled how his ex-companion “was bullied almost every day” by those around him.
The man told NBC News and other outlets that Crooks’ penchant for wearing “hunting” and “military” clothes as well as eating alone at lunch drew derision from his peers, who considered him a “loner” and an “outcast”.
Separately, the Associated Press reported that authorities had discovered bomb-making materials in Crooks’ home and car, which was parked near the site of Saturday’s Trump rally.
bellavite1
07-14-2024, 14:17
Read the comments on Slate or the New York Times.
Many are certain it was an unholy intervention.
Some are convinced this is a sure sign that Trump is literally Satan.
It makes as much sense as all the conspiracy theories floating around.
Works for me! [Muaha]
JohnnyDrama
07-14-2024, 14:38
Yeah.
There's no way it could possibly yet another nerdy loner loser that was picked on all his life.
That never happens. It has to be some hidden cabal of "they" that are pulling the puppet strings.
This one is completely different.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/14/trump-rally-suspected-gunman-what-we-know
A young man who described himself as a former schoolmate of Crooks at Bethel Park high school spoke with reporters Sunday recalled how his ex-companion “was bullied almost every day” by those around him.
The man told NBC News and other outlets that Crooks’ penchant for wearing “hunting” and “military” clothes as well as eating alone at lunch drew derision from his peers, who considered him a “loner” and an “outcast”.
Separately, the Associated Press reported that authorities had discovered bomb-making materials in Crooks’ home and car, which was parked near the site of Saturday’s Trump rally.
He was probably trying to impress an actress.
eddiememphis
07-14-2024, 16:42
Victim identified
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/trump-rally-shooting-victim-what-we-know-about-corey-comperatore-rcna161781
A man killed at a campaign rally for former President Donald Trump in Pennsylvania on Saturday has been identified as 50-year-old former fire chief Corey Comperatore, Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro announced Sunday.
He was there with his wife and two daughters and dove over them to protect them when gunshots were heard in the crowd.
“Corey died a hero,” Shapiro said of the Sarver, Pennsylvania man.
Grant H.
07-14-2024, 16:44
Yeah.
There's no way it could possibly yet another nerdy loner loser that was picked on all his life.
That never happens. It has to be some hidden cabal of "they" that are pulling the puppet strings.
This one is completely different.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/14/trump-rally-suspected-gunman-what-we-know
A young man who described himself as a former schoolmate of Crooks at Bethel Park high school spoke with reporters Sunday recalled how his ex-companion “was bullied almost every day” by those around him.
The man told NBC News and other outlets that Crooks’ penchant for wearing “hunting” and “military” clothes as well as eating alone at lunch drew derision from his peers, who considered him a “loner” and an “outcast”.
Separately, the Associated Press reported that authorities had discovered bomb-making materials in Crooks’ home and car, which was parked near the site of Saturday’s Trump rally.
A 20yo that is a registered republican and donates to Democrat election funds manages to find an unsecured vantage point that gives him CLOS to a former POTUS being protected by the USSS. Additionally, USSS Counter Sniper teams HAD CLOS to the "shooter" and waited for 9-10 shots before taking the shot? People reported the shooter "getting into position" to LEO and nothing was done...
Yep, poor picked on kid had to make a statement somehow... All the others that do this always pick well guarded politicians instead of, you know, unguarded high schools...
If you really buy all that, I got some ocean front property in MT that I will sell you for a hell of a deal.
[Sarcasm2]
Edit to add definition as maybe not everyone knows CLOS: Clear Line Of Sight
When Obama visited Denver many years ago, he had a literal army with him. Never saw so many LE in my life. Concentric rings for each zone for over a mile in every direction, backscatter vans outside the Capitol, even a mobilized NG unit at a closed college campus a couple miles away if needed.
Hillary had far more security simply to meet reporters at an INDOOR event.
SOP is for SS snipers to have been on that very rooftop hours before Trump even showed up.
Getting multiple reports of the sniper actually spotted by audience members climbing up a ladder with a rifle, some of whom informed SS, who did nothing.
Hearing from other sources that at least one LE sniper had him in crosshairs several minutes before he began firing and let him get off multiple shots before engaging.
Clearing and manning that rooftop is fundamental 101 basic shit.
This has wide implecations.
All I will say is that all of America is incredibly lucky Trump wasn't killed, because his wingnuts would literally be gunning people they view as enemies down in the streets right now.
We are living in crazy times.
Clint I don?t get your statement. The left is inciting hate. They compare every republican president to hitler. They use terms like eliminate, nazi, fascist, hater and dehumanizing terms in every media and social enterprise they control to describe anyone to the right of them. They have perpetrated numerous attacks on republicans in the last 15 years.
But you think Trump?s supporters are the issue here?
Sorry man. Y?all want to spew hate and be dicks to each other and then keep expecting for there to be no repercussions. That?s not how this works.
Great-Kazoo
07-14-2024, 19:14
When Obama visited Denver many years ago, he had a literal army with him. Never saw so many LE in my life. Concentric rings for each zone for over a mile in every direction, backscatter vans outside the Capitol, even a mobilized NG unit at a closed college campus a couple miles away if needed.
Hillary had far more security simply to meet reporters at an INDOOR event.
SOP is for SS snipers to have been on that very rooftop hours before Trump even showed up.
Getting multiple reports of the sniper actually spotted by audience members climbing up a ladder with a rifle, some of whom informed SS, who did nothing.
Hearing from other sources that at least one LE sniper had him in crosshairs several minutes before he began firing and let him get off multiple shots before engaging.
Clearing and manning that rooftop is fundamental 101 basic shit.
This has wide implecations.
All I will say is that all of America is incredibly lucky Trump wasn't killed, because his wingnuts would literally be gunning people they view as enemies down in the streets right now.
We are living in crazy times.
Sadly, how true.
eddiememphis
07-14-2024, 19:33
Hearing from other sources that at least one LE sniper had him in crosshairs several minutes before he began firing and let him get off multiple shots before engaging.
I heard today on Ben Shipiro's podcast that it is Secret Service protocol to only be reactive. They cannot shoot until the suspect fires, in case it's a guy with a camera or telescope.
TEAMRICO
07-14-2024, 19:41
By show of hands who as a Trump supporter like myself would run around the streets gunning people down?
I’m a supporter and to imply that is what guys like me would go out and do because of this has to be the stupidest statement made.
Take it and shove it up your ass.
The stupid comes out strong when things like this happen.
^^^ This ^^^
AND,,, Did I hear right that the Secret Service and local Law Enforcement are literally not on the same radio communication wave lengths ?
That makes a lot of sense!
One way or the other this is a failure by SS all around and that was my opinion from the inset. Again, if SS did their job and had proper resources, you couldn't have gotten within 1000m with a weapon, period. This was under 200m (maybe 150m based on the maps I've seen). I don't care what people say, that is an ENORMOUS fuck-up by secret service. I also don't believe the reactive ROE, at 150m crawling on the ROOF there should've been two to three secret service snipers that could practically identify the make and model printed on the receiver, much less dangerous intent.
What tasking does local LEO have?
What tasking does the SS have?
'Nuff said. It isn't LEO's job, we've had the Ukraine war going on for two years, and you're telling me the Secret Service is not employing drones? They should have fucking counter-drones in the air, if the kid was smarter and bought a FPV Trump wouldn't have made it, because apparently our Secret Service was teleported from the 1960's and probably communicates by returning to their armored car phone to make grunting noises. Fuck, a flagmen from the 1900's dreadnaughts would've been more effective at communicating.
Jesus. The image I just saw of the area has a water tower in view of it all. Nobody on the tower with a pair of binoculars?
BushMasterBoy
07-14-2024, 20:41
Most of the stuff to know is contained in the Secret Service website. The lone gunman phenomenon is studied ad nauseum. To be a Special Agent of the Secret Service is probably one of the most difficult jobs in the world. There just isn't enough folks qualified to become Special Agents.
https://www.secretservice.gov/careers/special-agent/training
https://www.secretservice.gov/protection/leaders/campaign-2024
https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Protection-United-States-Service/dp/0030707374
If there isn't enough folks qualified, they backfill security with 90% local LEO plebs?
There's still no excuse.
This is 100% squarely on the shoulders of the Secret Service. There's easily 250,000 people qualified to secure presidential candidates in the country, and the agents that were there ROYALLY fucked it up but walked away like they're the hero of the action flick.
Ask yourself if the FSB would've let this happen "over there".
[ROFL1]
For an immoral narcissistic billionaire?
This is either the "establishment" putting Trump in the Oval to then collapse the economy and have it be the (quasi)Republicans fault, or this is a "warning" that he is more than touchable and needs to tow the line.
Either way, the People of America will lose in 2025 and beyond.
I'll be honest........ The idea that this was a "warning" to him makes no sense. And if it was, he really didn't take the hint.
After his startled reaction and grasp of what happened he was very defiant and if he's as narcissistic as you think he is............ this is a huge "badge of honor" that he'll carry with him forever. He's not threatened by this at all- he looks at it as a challenge.
Also:
".....Yep, poor picked on kid had to make a statement somehow... All the others that do this always pick well guarded politicians instead of, you know, unguarded high schools..."
Well, CLEARLY, President Trump WASN"T a "well guarded politician" was he?
I mean afterall the kid walked in there with a rifle, climbed onto a roof and just missed Pres Trump by an inch?
Atleast high schools have some locked doors...................
By show of hands who as a Trump supporter like myself would run around the streets gunning people down?
I?m a supporter and to imply that is what guys like me would go out and do because of this has to be the stupidest statement made.
Take it and shove it up your ass.
The stupid comes out strong when things like this happen.
I said "wingnuts," not supporters. Huge difference.
I don't believe for a moment that this was some colossal fuck up by the Secret Service. It could only have been a planned operation from the top down, likely to include the shooter himself. Look for the director of the service to be sacrificed at the alter to protect the puppeteers. If Trump prevails in November, look for heads to roll all throughout the DOJ and into Biden's executive team. It's too late for Biden to claim again that he's a uniter. It's a scam that won't work again when all have seen the emperor has no clothes.
Not likely to happen, but hanging people for treason might be a worthwhile cleansing for this country.
One way or the other this is a failure by SS all around and that was my opinion from the inset. Again, if SS did their job and had proper resources, you couldn't have gotten within 1000m with a weapon, period. This was under 200m (maybe 150m based on the maps I've seen). I don't care what people say, that is an ENORMOUS fuck-up by secret service. I also don't believe the reactive ROE, at 150m crawling on the ROOF there should've been two to three secret service snipers that could practically identify the make and model printed on the receiver, much less dangerous intent.
What tasking does local LEO have?
What tasking does the SS have?
'Nuff said. It isn't LEO's job, we've had the Ukraine war going on for two years, and you're telling me the Secret Service is not employing drones? They should have fucking counter-drones in the air, if the kid was smarter and bought a FPV Trump wouldn't have made it, because apparently our Secret Service was teleported from the 1960's and probably communicates by returning to their armored car phone to make grunting noises. Fuck, a flagmen from the 1900's dreadnaughts would've been more effective at communicating.
If there isn't enough folks qualified, they backfill security with 90% local LEO plebs?
There's still no excuse.
This is 100% squarely on the shoulders of the Secret Service. There's easily 250,000 people qualified to secure presidential candidates in the country, and the agents that were there ROYALLY fucked it up but walked away like they're the hero of the action flick.
Ask yourself if the FSB would've let this happen "over there".
100% right. LEO would have been tasked for the mid range AO with USSCT looking further out. Still no excuse considering they *should* be scanning, and there was reports to local LE in the shooters AO that were not acted on.
Ultimately, it's USSS responsibility for the entire operation, LE involvement or not. If they had shit comms, that's on them too.
That said, unless they had a CT on that water tower, there was defilade on one end of the building the shooter could have come up without being seen by the CT snipers behind the stage.
BPTactical
07-15-2024, 06:42
We know that over the last few months there have been numerous accounts from the media about increased political threats.
We know that the overwhelming amount of hostile rhetoric has come from the party of D and the media.
That is a fact.
We know there are numerous requests from the Trump team requesting additional security which was refused.
That is a fact.
You think the USS security team assigned to Team Trump was the A Team or backbenchers?
Going back to the DNC convention that was held here in 2008- I was with CDOT then and was involved with a few of the preparation details for that event. Remember the photo of the plow trucks blocking I-25 in its entirety? They shut down an entire Interstate highway for hours. I recall manhole covers being welded down, access to any elevated point such as cell towers, utility poles, traffic signals etc being denied for about a 1/2 mile radius around Mile Hi. Anything at all that was elevated had oversight on it. I remember memos coming from management that originated from the USS detailing items that were areas of interest and we were amazed at the extent they were going- we had to pick up all the trash on the right of way and sweep the shoulders. Before the motorcade with O came through DPD went down the highway and checked any item along the road.
It was amazing the extent they went to and the details involved.
So now how come they can?t cover a rooftop 150yds away from the podium of a former President and future Presidential candidate?
How does that happen?
eddiememphis
07-15-2024, 08:23
So who is behind it?
Reading the left sites, Trump dreamed up the whole thing, like a pro wrestler working a bit.
You guys are saying "they" are behind it but never say who "they" are.
How many people were involved in the orchestration of this attempted assassination? When and where did the kid get his sniper training? What were the rewards for everyone involved?
Looking at all the details in the light of day with some logic applied to the logistics tends to diminish the likelihood of this being anything but the obvious- a nut with a gun and a series of perfect circumstances.
Whenever you're faced with an explanation of what's going on in Washington, the choice between incompetence and conspiracy, always choose incompetence.
Charles Krauthammer
All this pontification...
There are two options as to what happened.
1) The USSS and local LEO intentionally let a armed man come with in 130 yards of POTUS, thus meaning a massive conspiracy involving hundreds of people.
2) The USSS and local LEO dropped the ball, fucked up and almost got a President's head blown up.
I'm going with option 2.
^^^^^that sums it up for me as well^^^^^
Yhea, I'll take door #2 as well. But a heck of a lot of blame needs to be shouldered by the media and politicians fanning the leftist wackos for four years with their violent, hateful language.
As for this comment:
All I will say is that all of America is incredibly lucky Trump wasn't killed, because his wingnuts would literally be gunning people they view as enemies down in the streets right now.
I took it in the way it was intended - there are wingnuts (read: wackos) on both sides. A leftest wacko took a shot at Trump. If he had succeeded, the brakes would have come off on a lot of right-wing wackos.
So it's no surprise that people chimed in that they would not have gone off on a shooting spree. We're not the wackos/wingnuts
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Yhea, I'll take door #2 as well. But a heck of a lot of blame needs to be shouldered by the media and politicians fanning the leftist wackos for four years with their violent, hateful language.
As for this comment:
I took it in the way it was intended - there are wingnuts (read: wackos) on both sides. A leftest wacko took a shot at Trump. If he had succeeded, the brakes would have come off on a lot of right-wing wackos.
So it's no surprise that people chimed in that they would not have gone off on a shooting spree. We're not the wackos/wingnuts
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Yep, You can't call someone "Literally Hitler" and a "Threat to democracy" who is going to put everyone into concentration camps and not expect what happened to happen.
.455_Hunter
07-15-2024, 09:05
A good test for somebody's reasonableness is if they can admit their own side has some extreme whackjobs waiting in the wings. If only the other side has whackjobs, then the views of the person can be pretty much discounted.
A good test for somebody's reasonableness is if they can admit their own side has some extreme whackjobs waiting in the wings. If only the other side has whackjobs, then the views of the person can be pretty much discounted.
Correct... I would argue though..
-The rightwing nutjobs are just everyday people that go to regular jobs but have a few screws loose. They hold very few positions of power.
-The Leftwing nutjobs are the people running city, state and federal governments/agencies, universities, media studio rooms, Hollywood, and corporate board rooms.
Which one has a grip on the power hierarchies of the country?
.455_Hunter
07-15-2024, 09:56
Correct... I would argue though..
-The rightwing nutjobs are just everyday people that go to regular jobs but have a few screws loose. They hold very few positions of power.
-The Leftwing nutjobs are the people running city, state and federal governments/agencies, universities, media studio rooms, Hollywood, and corporate board rooms.
Which one has a grip on the power hierarchies of the country?
Yes, I agree on the power structure bias, but am not talking about people who just run their mouths with idiotic diatribes or enact non-violent "progressive" policies. I mean individuals who will personally execute a violent act on behalf of their cause.
hollohas
07-15-2024, 11:09
He was probably trying to impress an actress.
I said "wingnuts," not supporters. Huge difference.
All this pontification...
There are two options as to what happened.
1) The USSS and local LEO intentionally let a armed man come with in 130 yards of POTUS, thus meaning a massive conspiracy involving hundreds of people.
2) The USSS and local LEO dropped the ball, fucked up and almost got a President's head blown up.
I'm going with option 2.#2 looks like it.
After watching the 2 LEO snipers on the roof of the red building panic, lift their heads from their rifles and then start to scoot back down the roof looking for cover (even pulling his tripod with him), it's obvious some of these people are incompetent and completely unqualified to be serving in the rolls they are in.
One LEO sniper had his stuff together and killed the guy, but it wasn't the two being pictured in every article. Those two guys need a new line of work and if any of the others working that day were even remotely similar "professionals" as those two, they were screwed from the start.
But #1 is still in the back of my mind because I can't comprehend how people can screw up THIS bad. It seems almost impossible for them to make these mistakes. Especially considering everyone saw this guy minutes before he shot and did nothing. There is plenty of videos of this guy making his way across the roof lining up his shot, telling LE and nothing was done. That's hard to believe.
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Scanker19
07-15-2024, 11:13
Maybe it’s both. Intentional incompetence.
.455_Hunter
07-15-2024, 11:45
Dumb question of the day- was the area around the AGR building a "secure" location with screening to access, or were just a few LE stationed out there for maintaining an event presence?
Aloha_Shooter
07-15-2024, 11:57
I generally don't believe in conspiracy theories. There've been numerous accounts at how standards in the Secret Service dropped during the Obama years so I'm more inclined to believe that today's teams don't have the experience and expertise that they had just 10 years ago.
I do look forward to the inquiries because I don't understand how the rooftops within 200 yards weren't locked down before Trump even took to the stage. From the WSJ video, there were only 4 rooftops to lock down and 2 of them had counter-sniper teams on them. I don't understand a supposedly registered Republican whose only documented (so far) political activity was a small donation to Democrats.
I didn't understand how the shooter missed from that distance until I saw reports that a cop questioned him just before he took the shots -- apparently, the cop backed down the ladder when the shooter pointed his rifle at him so I'm guessing the shooter's next 3 shots were hurried.
This whole episode screams massive fail on the part of the Secret Service. Whether or not someone WANTED that fail is a topic I'm not prepared to go into without better and more complete information but clearly the Secret Service needs to look at its own procedures.
As far as the claim that Trump supporters would have gone on shooting spree had the assassination attempt succeeeded, there are indeed some wingnuts that would likely have spouted off but it's been my impression from the last 10 years of shooting incidents that there are far more leftist wingnuts willing and desirous of active violence than right-wing.
.455_Hunter
07-15-2024, 12:32
As far as the claim that Trump supporters would have gone on shooting spree had the assassination attempt succeeeded, there are indeed some wingnuts that would likely have spouted off but it's been my impression from the last 10 years of shooting incidents that there are far more leftist wingnuts willing and desirous of active violence than right-wing.
I would generally agree with that sentiment.
hollohas
07-15-2024, 12:49
So far I've seen a lot more videos of liberals posting how angry they are that he missed than I've seen of conservatives posting about how they want to hurt liberals in revenge (the formal is exactly zero)
BushMasterBoy
07-15-2024, 14:58
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I'm so glad you fellows are so well measured in not accepting the conspiracy theories. It makes it all the more fun to play conspiracy theorist. Okay now, everybody raise your hand if you work for or have worked for the government. ;)
BushMasterBoy
07-15-2024, 16:21
POTUS is heading to Area 51 at this very moment. Coincidence?
https://www.aaro.mil/
Hummer:
I'll help you........... the vast conspiracy has been already reported by places like here:
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/15/trump-assassination-attempt-wall-street-ceos-react.html
THATS RIGHT............ read what the CEO of Black Rock wrote.........................
"...BlackRock, the world?s largest asset manager, said Sunday in an email that it ran an advertisement in 2022 in which the suspected shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, appears briefly in the background along with other students of Bethel Park High School in Pennsylvania........"
I CAN'T believe I'm the one reporting this!!!!!!
Of course what the CEO REALLY meant was that the Shooter was a bought and paid for employee of BlackRock.............. so they set this up.
OMG.................and they're located here..................... !!!!!!
So all one of you need to do is go down there and see whats going on............. trust me they'll explain it all to you.
They will show you the signed contracts and everything............ maybe even some video.
My guess is HRC is the one behind it all.........
NO......... not really........... this is all sarcasm.............. leave them alone.
Government employees are too incompetent in groups larger than three to believe in any significant conspiracy.
Argue that they intentionally neglected resources to Trump (without any knowledge of a specific threat), that could be believable.
Argue that dozens of people worked together to hit him in the ear - NOT. Dozens of people worked together to knock him off - NOT.
Argue that the US Citizen may have been covertly handled by international agents, could be believable. That's how they work... through finding vulnerable US Citizens, and avoiding a trail pointing back. It's not an action movie, it's human INT radicalizing a lone wolf - we do that too internationally.
Most likely, it's just a suicidal youth who wanted to make a mark on the world as he did suicide by cop.
LEO and even Secret Agents are like 85% of other government employees I've seen...
Doing the minimum expected to receive a paycheck and not get reprimanded. SS would be a prime detail because you just have to look like you're paying attention. But you can be daydreaming about nachos and anime all day or building a city in your mind, bam, paycheck, and there's been no attempts since 1980 so you're pretty likely to get away with it. Call it burn out, call it whatever you want, but most people are not really as attentative or productive as outsiders would expect.
Frankly, the fact there have NOT been several prior attempts on Trump (or Biden, or Obama) based on how fucked up and divisive our society has become compared to how lax our security has gotten speaks to a relative neutering of America -
People are all riled up, more so than ever before, but they're too out of shape to get up from their starbucks and daylight donuts to actually perform actions they threaten. If we took away all the technology and food distractions for the angry people, it would have been chaos already with several attempts on the last 3.
Yet, we're a nation of keyboard commandos. I'm not sure I'd end that with "fortunately"... because while yes, Trump is alive, we're also a useless society as the bowl flushes - I'm not talking about attempts, I'm just saying if the country REALLY goes to hell in the future all 99.99999% will do is bitch about it on "X" and angrily fatten themselves. Win some, lose some.
Grant H.
07-15-2024, 17:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm3TRHCGohA
Has a well put together video series with time stamps that shows the sequence of all of this.
Has background on the shooter.
Seems like a pretty good break down of the situation. In general as more comes out and is coming to light, I expect that my previous conspiracy theorist ideas are not likely.
BPTactical
07-15-2024, 18:08
And now to find out the building the shooter used was being utilized by LE as a command center? That may explain some of the hesitancy from LE when folks were squawking about somebody on the roof but really.
You can’t possibly honestly believe that between the USSS and the general LE that are present for an event like this that all of them are that incompetent or that perfect of a storm of errors were present.
Things are not looking good for the Secret Service & local LE and the way they handled this.
Some real damning examples of lack of security.
There are some great comments on this tread!
hollohas
07-15-2024, 19:14
Like everything else the government touches, we'll never have honest answers.
But the one thing I know for sure is this guy who panicked, lifted his head, grabbed his tripod (looks like he may have pulled a shot into the air even) and scooted backwards for cover....is a shit sniper.
This guy needs to be assigned to a desk. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240716/d72cd0a4275db9112b940ab3f3c87623.jpg
eddiememphis
07-15-2024, 19:58
Maybe it?s both. Intentional incompetence.
You mean Diversity, Equity and Inclusion?
Great-Kazoo
07-15-2024, 21:50
And now to find out the building the shooter used was being utilized by LE as a command center? That may explain some of the hesitancy from LE when folks were squawking about somebody on the roof but really.
You can’t possibly honestly believe that between the USSS and the general LE that are present for an event like this that all of them are that incompetent or that perfect of a storm of errors were present.
What we saw is the federal governments version of Ulvade.
Throw in there were ZERO drones in the air
BushMasterBoy
07-15-2024, 22:17
In the end it is pure war. We just narrowly missed martial law. We are stronger. The right shall win!
Scanker19
07-15-2024, 22:38
You mean Diversity, Equity and Inclusion?
Same same mister. (Rubs fingers together)
BPTactical
07-16-2024, 05:21
And look at his security detail now-
https://x.com/MattWallace888/status/1813076990930612508
To her credit the director stated in an interview that the buck stops with her.
She will be the sacrificial lamb.
buffalobo
07-16-2024, 06:01
And look at his security detail now-
https://x.com/MattWallace888/status/1813076990930612508
To her credit the director stated in an interview that the buck stops with her.
She will be the sacrificial lamb.Easy peasy, she will pick up another high dollar corporate gig over seeing DEI and guarding something really important like the Colonels secret recipe.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
And now the head of SS is saying that no one was put on that roof because it is sloped and dangerous.
Looks to me that the slope is no more than where the snipers were stationed at to return fire?
And look at his security detail now-
https://x.com/MattWallace888/status/1813076990930612508
To her credit the director stated in an interview that the buck stops with her.
She will be the sacrificial lamb.
I do t see any “meal team 6ers”.
So who is behind it?
Reading the left sites, Trump dreamed up the whole thing, like a pro wrestler working a bit.
You guys are saying "they" are behind it but never say who "they" are.
How many people were involved in the orchestration of this attempted assassination? When and where did the kid get his sniper training? What were the rewards for everyone involved?
Looking at all the details in the light of day with some logic applied to the logistics tends to diminish the likelihood of this being anything but the obvious- a nut with a gun and a series of perfect circumstances.
Whenever you're faced with an explanation of what's going on in Washington, the choice between incompetence and conspiracy, always choose incompetence.
Charles Krauthammer
Who are "they"
Maybe look at the FBI did in the Gretchen Whitmer plot
https://apnews.com/article/whitmer-kidnap-plot-trial-a7dd7bc1a4e5917c3e2c78f599ebc17f
The FBI will and has incited violence against politicians.
That roof was accessible for a reason. The basically, I think even a rookie cops his first week on the job would not have made that level of mistake.
No social media. Nothing. Nada. For a 20 year old kid. Really? Now amplify that with no note, social media, manifesto, etc from a 20 year old? Come on man.
I remember ride Pirates of the Caribbean at Disney. "Dead men tell no tales"
The chain of events and the sheer level of incompetency form the SS and supporting LEO that would have been required for this to slip through the cracks would be almost impossible.
Keep in mind today Adam Schiff is calling on Biden to quit.
I think Dems KNOW Biden wont drop out by choice. The "legal" cases against have failed (and his "conviction" will be soon overturned). There is only one way for the Dems to hold onto power.
Dems support ANTIFA ergo DEMS support political violence. We know this. Now it is just a question how far will they go.
On and some alphabet agency is labeling anyone on this thread (well all threads) as Domestic terrorists or "threats to democracy".
IF it were an "inside" job that "they" planned, would "they" really hire a 20 y/o kid that was rejected from his school's shooting team? REALLY? Not buying it.
A severe dereliction of duty by some, maybe, several people.
BushMasterBoy
07-17-2024, 13:26
I bet the first counter shot was a kill shot. Most likely double tapped to the cranium and instantly died. If I was in charge, I'd highly recommend keeping these events indoors. The protectee was on the stage and in the locale for way too long.
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The was another guy in Milwaukee where Trumps is at . This clown had an AK-47. I don’t know how close he was, he got arrested.
BPTactical
07-17-2024, 15:30
Why is he sporting NODS in broad daylight?
I have a technical question because I'm bad at math.
Apparently the shooter utilized an AR of unknown configuration equipped with an optic which was reported to be a zero magnification Eotech holographic reflex sight with 4MOA, and reportedly he was a substandard shooter.
What is the likelihood he could've made a headshot at 150 meters in a 5mph crosswind? Because his followup shots seemed to be all over the place, and I'm kinda thinkin maybe it is unrealistic to rule out a second shooter.
Goverment is incompetent. Again, broad conspiracies are not possible. They also didnt airdrop a body as a fall guy... You can see him crawling over there on video. Its definately him.
Anyone with Mil or Gov exp knows...about more more than 3 people and it'll get f***ed up by one of them in some fashion. More than a dozen, you may as well make a press announcement yourself because there are no secrets in a social media world.
hollohas
07-17-2024, 17:07
Why is he sporting NODS in broad daylight?Because it makes him look super coooool..
hollohas
07-17-2024, 17:13
Anyone with Mil or Gov exp knows...about more more than 3 people and it'll get f***ed up by one of them in some fashion. More than a dozen, you may as well make a press announcement yourself because there are no secrets in a social media world.
It doesn't take a whole bunch of people in the know.
It takes one HDIC telling everyone else not to worry about that roof, and they'll all listen because they are yes men and inexperienced DEI hires that won't question the the fact the order is wrong on every level.
One dipshit psycho.
And one handler to egg on said psycho who's already worked up because the media told him Hitler was coming to town.
eddiememphis
07-17-2024, 17:32
It seems to be a series of unfortunate circumstances.
The Secret Service is unlikely to protect a candidate with its A team. Most likely this was the C team, with the B team in charge of protecting the vice president. They are not going to put the little fat girl that can't find her holster in charge of protecting the president.
The killer went through a metal detector with a rangefinder and possibly had the detonator on him as well. He walked to the building with a rifle. He climbed up the outside of a building and got on the roof.
The entire plot could've been thwarted had one person acted differently that day.
I'm sure the whole time the kid was thinking "I can't believe I'm getting away with this." It almost seems like he wanted to get caught, but just kept getting farther down the rabbit hole.
The reason I doubt all the conspiracies is people are too stupid of self-centered to keep their mouths shut, much as FoxArt stated. I doubt there are enough true believers to pull of something like this.
I get back to what was in it for the dumbass? What was he promised? How long was he trained and where? How did they happen to find this kid that lives in some tiny town that a candidate is going to hold a rally at?
When did the training or indoctrination take place? Wouldn't that sort of training take longer than the time between the announced location and the actual speech?
It seems like something John le Carre could pull off in his novels, not something someone could do in the real world.
How are those guys standing on that steep of a roof without some kind of rock-climbing rigging or safety gear?
As far as personnel identification, I heard this guy might have been mistaken as a 'good guy ' (anti sniper) because of his location.
How are those guys standing on that steep of a roof without some kind of rock-climbing rigging or safety gear?
As far as personnel identification, I heard this guy might have been mistaken as a 'good guy ' (anti sniper) because of his location.
I honestly think the secret service (and LEO sniper teams) just were not looking, at all. They simply assumed nobody would be there. Kind of like how the snipers are not actively scouring the bleachers looking for a guy with an AR, they just assume nobody would have one there.
Standard MO, they were scanning bushes, trees and buildings of shit on the horizon, and ignoring everything that they assumed already secured by some other process.
Again, incompetent. And I don't believe this is the bottom-of-the-barrel either, this is just the reality of people. Ironically, you can often walk through all security measures of many places unchallenged in the most obvious and open way possible.
hollohas
07-17-2024, 18:30
I get back to what was in it for the dumbass? What was he promised? How long was he trained and where? How did they happen to find this kid that lives in some tiny town that a candidate is going to hold a rally at?
When did the training or indoctrination take place? Wouldn't that sort of training take longer than the time between the announced location and the actual speech?
Not that I think you're wrong, this probably is just a bunch of C team making mistakes.
But to play devils advocate, you're complicating it too much. It doesn't need all that.
We all know there are feds that sit in forums just like this egging people on. There are feds at every right wing "militia" meetup encouraging them, whipping them up.
Remember the Whitmer kidnapping plot? It was just a bunch of feds egging on a few dumb rubes.
Fake bomb parts are sold to the rube who tries to blow something up.
Or they convince them to organize a march on the Capitol.
And that's the type of thing they would do to get a commie to act to (commies have been doing this forever, no promises, just indoctrination...which is easy to do quickly when those targeted have low IQ.)
It doesn't take promises. It doesn't even take a whole lot of training. It takes one handler meeting this guy in some commie chat room and befriending him, then encouraging him to act. Tell him, "yes man!! You should totally do something, I'm in! Let's do it together ! I can give you pointers on how to shoot, go get a gun and I'll meet you at the range."
After a trip or two at the range, basics are good enough to take a shot at 150 yards. Then the handler tells the guy, "bro, the prez is coming. I have a man on the inside that can help us, what do ya think?"
That's it.
It doesn't take many people.
The feds do that shit all the time. And every now and again, they actually get someone to act. It's rare, but they've done it. And the feds doing this don't report exactly what they are doing to many people if anyone at all. They have a task and questions aren't asked.
Usually they do this and arrest them "in the act" to prove that "right wing terrorists are REAL". But it's the same process and can easily lead to actual harm if they just happen to not arrest them first.
Let LE do their thing and kill him after.
As soon as higher-ups see one of their contacts egged the guy on, dude is deleted from the internet, make believe investigations are sealed, congress demands for answers are ignored. Citizens move on to another squirrel.
BPTactical
07-17-2024, 21:10
Clearly Cheadle was correct when she said being on the roof was unsafe.
You get shot in the melon if you do….
It doesn't take promises. It doesn't even take a whole lot of training. It takes one handler meeting this guy in some commie chat room and befriending him, then encouraging him to act. Tell him, "yes man!! You should totally do something, I'm in! Let's do it together ! I can give you pointers on how to shoot, go get a gun and I'll meet you at the range."
After a trip or two at the range, basics are good enough to take a shot at 150 yards. Then the handler tells the guy, "bro, the prez is coming. I have a man on the inside that can help us, what do ya think?"
That's it.
It doesn't take many people.
I understand "federally fabricated crimes" and why that sometimes has been done... but this ain't that at all.
There are certainly a variety of non governmental groups very capable of perpetrating the same scenario you described above.
And it's certainly plausible that, like Oswald, this kid was an ineffectual patsy put into position with a rifle he can barely hit anything with, popping off potshots while a second shooter makes the money shot... and, for whatever reason, missed.
But that's all unsupported speculation and we'll probably never know. Best just to leave it at, "That was a close one, glad he's okay."
.455_Hunter
07-17-2024, 21:29
The weirdest thing for me is that on Friday night I randomly watched the attempted assassination scene in the 1973 Day of the Jackal on YouTube. In the climax, de Gaulle tips his head forward just as Edward Fox fired his suppressed .22 mag, with the exploding projectile passing behind his skull and striking the stone street in a white puff.
The Saturday afternoon happened...
Delfuego
07-17-2024, 21:47
broad conspiracies are not possible...But they make me feel more smarter. Look Mom! I'm OSINT'n!!!
BushMasterBoy
07-17-2024, 22:14
Fairly comprehensive report on Wikipedia. Lot of air traffic overhead tonight. Alphabets on high alert now I 'spose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Donald_Trump
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Aloha_Shooter
07-18-2024, 20:20
Can't vouch for the accuracy of the analysis presented of the bullet's path and Trump's head movement but it's interesting: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/ZonS958OSS
This whole scenario sounds like something out of a bad Hollywood movie or Grisham novel.
Looking at all the videos so far...
Trump's SS detail failed big time. How could they not see an obvious vantage point and not have them monitored. One guy said they were pointing the shooter to the SS for 2-3 minutes. If true, not only a complete failure, but possible conspiracy theory stuff...
Definitely the stuff of conspiracies.
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I don't believe for a moment that this was some colossal fuck up by the Secret Service. It could only have been a planned operation from the top down, likely to include the shooter himself. Look for the director of the service to be sacrificed at the alter to protect the puppeteers. If Trump prevails in November, look for heads to roll all throughout the DOJ and into Biden's executive team. It's too late for Biden to claim again that he's a uniter. It's a scam that won't work again when all have seen the emperor has no clothes.
Not likely to happen, but hanging people for treason might be a worthwhile cleansing for this country.
The Tribunals are being slow hinted at even by Lefty MSM.
So who is behind it?
Reading the left sites, Trump dreamed up the whole thing, like a pro wrestler working a bit.
You guys are saying "they" are behind it but never say who "they" are.
How many people were involved in the orchestration of this attempted assassination? When and where did the kid get his sniper training? What were the rewards for everyone involved?
Looking at all the details in the light of day with some logic applied to the logistics tends to diminish the likelihood of this being anything but the obvious- a nut with a gun and a series of perfect circumstances.
Whenever you're faced with an explanation of what's going on in Washington, the choice between incompetence and conspiracy, always choose incompetence.
Charles Krauthammer
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Welp, thats not going to help in the upcoming unpleasantness.
Now to add the long list of screw ups that were are to believe were “honest mistakes”
The shooter was flying a drone over the area a couple hours before shooting.
When did Secret Service allow drones in the airspace of a former president and current leading presidential candidate? Especially given that they have said Iran has an active plot to kill Trump?
How many “mistakes” a they possibly make before people will realize this many “mistakes” are not possible.
Well unless these are untrained people with their first day on the job.
The Left and their lackey News Media talking heads are just going nuts looking for a way out.
I just saw that CNN basically green screened their coverage of the RNC. They were never there.
So Madcow and company did a pretty good job of pretending they were live! Bums.
It never ceases to amaze me, the penchant of the human to unquestionably accept anything as fact if it agrees with something they at heart, want to believe.
This thread has started to turn towards some of the absolute stupidest shit I think I've seen in a long time.
Example: If the snipers were watching him for minutes, why did the one with the tripod have to pick it up and de-elevate by about 10 fucking degrees right after shots were fired? Why did the other one shit his pants and scoot backwards? I guess for being "in" on the conspiracy, they forgot to watch history in the making and temporarily got bored and must have been watching a fucking red tailed hawk. Or maybe, people are TOO fucking engrained in "me good other guy bad" to engage in any logical firewall against the diarrhea of bullshit.
They have it all setup and staged and carefully done, and perfectly orchestrated so there is no evidence and the thousands of diverse people involved have never breathed a word of it to another soul.... All that investment, but they fuck up a shot that 9/10 of any military vet could make. OK. Now that's the new conspiracy, trump wanted his ears to be pierced to win, right? For those that instantly believe any of this crap, you are more of a SHEEP than anyone else in this country.
Logic flees out both ears of both parties anymore.
[directed to Joe more than anyone, but yeah, it is getting outright dumb]
To re-rail this thread...
It is well-reported that the shooter's search history included both Trump and Biden events. Why would he be looking at both of them... forgot the secret backchannel to Biden's red phone and was trying to find his cell phone online?
Or the crazy bastard wanted to target both of them?
Great-Kazoo
07-20-2024, 07:03
Now to add the long list of screw ups that were are to believe were “honest mistakes”
The shooter was flying a drone over the area a couple hours before shooting.
When did Secret Service allow drones in the airspace of a former president and current leading presidential candidate? Especially given that they have said Iran has an active plot to kill Trump?
How many “mistakes” a they possibly make before people will realize this many “mistakes” are not possible.
Well unless these are untrained people with their first day on the job.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-shooter-flew-drone-over-032340630.html
The gunman who shot former President Donald Trump in the ear at a Pennsylvania rally on Saturday flew a drone over the rally site a few hours before Trump took the stage, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News.
This is long, almost 2 hours, but it's the best interview I've seen. There's a Part 2 coming soon.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=v7R7pvh36Mg
eddiememphis
07-20-2024, 12:27
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Another conspiracy?
Conspiracy thinking is informed by the psychological imposition of order and meaning on the environment, including the perception of causal relations between random events.
Conspiracy belief is related to the causal interpretation of real‐life, spurious correlations (e.g., between chocolate consumption and Nobel prizes).
Conspiracy theorizing serves political purposes, casting rival nations, factions, and social out-groups as devious and malign and in-group members as their victims.
The tendency to draw implausible causal connections between events is a crucial driver of conspiracy thinking.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282862/
It never ceases to amaze me, the penchant of the human to unquestionably accept anything as fact if it agrees with something they at heart, want to believe.
This thread has started to turn towards some of the absolute stupidest shit I think I've seen in a long time.
Example: If the snipers were watching him for minutes, why did the one with the tripod have to pick it up and de-elevate by about 10 fucking degrees right after shots were fired? Why did the other one shit his pants and scoot backwards? I guess for being "in" on the conspiracy, they forgot to watch history in the making and temporarily got bored and must have been watching a fucking red tailed hawk. Or maybe, people are TOO fucking engrained in "me good other guy bad" to engage in any logical firewall against the diarrhea of bullshit.
They have it all setup and staged and carefully done, and perfectly orchestrated so there is no evidence and the thousands of diverse people involved have never breathed a word of it to another soul.... All that investment, but they fuck up a shot that 9/10 of any military vet could make. OK. Now that's the new conspiracy, trump wanted his ears to be pierced to win, right? For those that instantly believe any of this crap, you are more of a SHEEP than anyone else in this country.
Logic flees out both ears of both parties anymore.
[directed to Joe more than anyone, but yeah, it is getting outright dumb]
The 2 teams you could see on the roofs behind President Trump did not have clear line of sight to the would be assassin. A 3 rd Counter Sniper Team took the shot. 9700197002
BushMasterBoy
07-20-2024, 13:57
Remember the average American reads at the 7th grade level. Do you want better education or a trillion dollar F-35 fighter jet program?
Do you think either party really gives a damn about the average citizen and his family? They are just using us for their own benefit. They cater to the big money donors. Both parties are really a IDGAF mentality.
Remember the average American reads at the 7th grade level. Do you want better education or a trillion dollar F-35 fighter jet program?
Do you think either party really gives a damn about the average citizen and his family? They are just using us for their own benefit. They cater to the big money donors. Both parties are really a IDGAF mentality.
Education is primarily a cultural problem. Here kids go to school to see friends and hopefully not drop out even after "no student left behind" and other agendas from both sides strive to make it easy to coast through a diploma.
China spends 1/3 as much per kid, households contribute more, and their kids perform better. Because if they don't, Mom and Dad are going to be homeless when they are older.
You can shove 10 trillion dollars into the education system in the next 12 months and it won't bump the needle. Kids will have fancy workstations to game on in class that they can keep, that's about it.
bellavite1
07-20-2024, 19:28
People need to take responsibility for their own kids.
Schools are only part of the equation.
If you cannot be there for your kids you shouldn't have any.
I keep paying more and more taxes to take care of other people's kids and I didn't even get to fuck the mothers.
There, I said it.
I'll take the F-35, thank you.
TEAMRICO
07-20-2024, 19:44
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Great-Kazoo
07-21-2024, 06:58
The weirdest thing for me is that on Friday night I randomly watched the attempted assassination scene in the 1973 Day of the Jackal on YouTube. In the climax, de Gaulle tips his head forward just as Edward Fox fired his suppressed .22 mag, with the exploding projectile passing behind his skull and striking the stone street in a white puff.
The Saturday afternoon happened...
This movie should be watched, if one has even a basic belief in conspiracy theory's. while 50 yrs old it still plays.
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-parallax-view
This time he's onto a pretty good story. It could mean the Pulitzer. A prominent senator was assassinated some years ago, and now the witnesses to his assassination are also being killed, one by one. Beatty traces the chain of conspiracy back to a shadowy Los Angeles outfit named the Parallax Corp. They seem to be in the business of identifying potential assassins, signing them up and hiring them out to clients.
Their method has a kind of neat logic to it. They place magazine ads geared to attract a certain personality type: loners, insecure, lacking in self-esteem, in search of authority figures yet resentful of them and capable of murder. The most likely candidates are given an advanced psychological test. The ones with high grades are assassin material.
eddiememphis
07-21-2024, 08:02
There are many other sites with discussions about the bullets used in the book/movie.
When loaded with mercury, the bullets become explosive.
In reality, it is nonsense, but it is an interesting idea.
There are many other sites with discussions about the bullets used in the book/movie.
When loaded with mercury, the bullets become explosive.
In reality, it is nonsense, but it is an interesting idea.
Mercury filled hollowpoints are not truly "explosive" per se, as there is no detonation, but they blow apart quite well. The thing is, the bullets need to be freshly made, as mercury leeches into the lead within a few days.
People need to take responsibility for their own kids.
One thing we've been seeing a LOT of lately is 13 and 14 year old boys out late at night with pistols and stolen cars committing a variety of violent felonies.
That should constitute felony child neglect. The parent(s) should be prosecuted and have all remaining children sent to foster care.
The parents don't care about these kids, they only pretend to when they form protests and file lawsuits against the city. Send them to jail as an example to all. Enough parents go to jail for raising hoodlums and maybe these people will start watching their kids.
theGinsue
07-23-2024, 05:19
One thing we've been seeing a LOT of lately is 13 and 14 year old boys out late at night with pistols and stolen cars committing a variety of violent felonies.
That should constitute felony child neglect. The parent(s) should be prosecuted and have all remaining children sent to foster care.
The parents don't care about these kids, they only pretend to when they form protests and file lawsuits against the city. Send them to jail as an example to all. Enough parents go to jail for raising hoodlums and maybe these people will start watching their kids.
Agree 100%.
One thing we've been seeing a LOT of lately is 13 and 14 year old boys out late at night with pistols and stolen cars committing a variety of violent felonies.
That should constitute felony child neglect. The parent(s) should be prosecuted and have all remaining children sent to foster care.
The parents don't care about these kids, they only pretend to when they form protests and file lawsuits against the city. Send them to jail as an example to all. Enough parents go to jail for raising hoodlums and maybe these people will start watching their kids.
You make a very interesting point. A conservative "think tank" should probably play this one out and see where it would go. The Dems have already put into place aspects of accountability for parents who don't secure their firearms, or even for someone who leaves one in an unoccupied vehicle in certain municipalities, thus introducing formal culpability for the gun owner when they don't "keep a close eye on it"... seems like keeping a closer eye on your kids should come with some accountability too.
You make a very interesting point. A conservative "think tank" should probably play this one out and see where it would go. The Dems have already put into place aspects of accountability for parents who don't secure their firearms, or even for someone who leaves one in an unoccupied vehicle in certain municipalities, thus introducing formal culpability for the gun owner when they don't "keep a close eye on it"... seems like keeping a closer eye on your kids should come with some accountability too.
I used to get in HUGE arguments with Conservatives online for proposing what I thought was a very sensible starting point of having classes in Ethics and Citizenship in the public schools... just basic concepts like "It's bad to steal, rape, or murder" then moving onto things like "Try being nicer to others and don't bully." They flipped the hell out.
Another thing we could attempt, at the high school level, would be a class in parenting and managing a household... they hated that idea too. It was all very confusing to me... after all, most kids are not learning these things from their parents anymore.
hollohas
07-23-2024, 18:28
I used to get in HUGE arguments with Conservatives online for proposing what I thought was a very sensible starting point of having classes in Ethics and Citizenship in the public schools... just basic concepts like "It's bad to steal, rape, or murder" then moving onto things like "Try being nicer to others and don't bully." They flipped the hell out.
Another thing we could attempt, at the high school level, would be a class in parenting and managing a household... they hated that idea too. It was all very confusing to me... after all, most kids are not learning these things from their parents anymore.Weird, you mean go back to teaching children the things we used to teach them? Lessons that have a long history of being effective? Instead of "America bad", DEI, Trans, blah, blah?
Man, you are controversial.
hollohas
07-23-2024, 18:31
Haha. This is a good one. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240724/04f7436cef7c57f9027a8cae85b5d6d6.jpg
I used to get in HUGE arguments with Conservatives online for proposing what I thought was a very sensible starting point of having classes in Ethics and Citizenship in the public schools... just basic concepts like "It's bad to steal, rape, or murder" then moving onto things like "Try being nicer to others and don't bully." They flipped the hell out.
Another thing we could attempt, at the high school level, would be a class in parenting and managing a household... they hated that idea too. It was all very confusing to me... after all, most kids are not learning these things from their parents anymore.
No argument from me if a school board wants to institute such things in their local community. I think classes like that or others that make kids think critically and recognize responsibility would be a good thing.
BushMasterBoy
07-23-2024, 19:16
Maybe mandatory field trip to a prison and a morgue would help. Most parents DGAF
Maybe mandatory field trip to a prison and a morgue would help. Most parents DGAF
I saw this show once, I think it might have been filmed in Raliegh-Durham, where a trauma surgeon would roll up on teenaged gang members with a small camera crew and just start talking to them about gun violence, then would pull out these poster sized photos of exit wounds. "This is from an AK, this is a 12 gauge slug" and the kids attitudes totally changed... suddenly they liked him and thanked him for taking the time to talk to them. Doubt it made much of a difference though/
eddiememphis
07-23-2024, 20:13
You can't legislate morality.
People only change when they want to. You cannot force someone to change, especially through punitive actions.
Until parents learn that there are ways to live that are more beneficial to them, they will continue to make poor decisions.
Taking away their children or punishing them for the kids' actions will have absolutely no effect on the crimes the kids commit.
buffalobo
07-23-2024, 21:02
I used to get in HUGE arguments with Conservatives online for proposing what I thought was a very sensible starting point of having classes in Ethics and Citizenship in the public schools... just basic concepts like "It's bad to steal, rape, or murder" then moving onto things like "Try being nicer to others and don't bully." They flipped the hell out.
Another thing we could attempt, at the high school level, would be a class in parenting and managing a household... they hated that idea too. It was all very confusing to me... after all, most kids are not learning these things from their parents anymore.
Weird, you mean go back to teaching children the things we used to teach them? Lessons that have a long history of being effective? Instead of "America bad", DEI, Trans, blah, blah?
Man, you are controversial.
No argument from me if a school board wants to institute such things in their local community. I think classes like that or others that make kids think critically and recognize responsibility would be a good thing.Probably better get control of school boards and teachers first.
Ethics, citizenship, morality(my addition), and critical thinking that our little group here might agree with is despised in public schools and unlikely in the near future.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
I used to get in HUGE arguments with Conservatives online for proposing what I thought was a very sensible starting point of having classes in Ethics and Citizenship in the public schools... just basic concepts like "It's bad to steal, rape, or murder" then moving onto things like "Try being nicer to others and don't bully." They flipped the hell out.
Another thing we could attempt, at the high school level, would be a class in parenting and managing a household... they hated that idea too. It was all very confusing to me... after all, most kids are not learning these things from their parents anymore.
Think about it carefully. Is it always ?bad? or morally wrong to murder?
StagLefty
07-24-2024, 06:53
Maybe mandatory field trip to a prison and a morgue would help. Most parents DGAF
Wasn't there a program years ago called "Scared Straight" ?
Think about it carefully. Is it always ?bad? or morally wrong to murder?
"Murder" has such negative connotations. I prefer "exterminate with extreme prejudice". [Flower]
clodhopper
07-24-2024, 08:31
You can't legislate morality.
People only change when they want to. You cannot force someone to change, especially through punitive actions.
Until parents learn that there are ways to live that are more beneficial to them, they will continue to make poor decisions.
Taking away their children or punishing them for the kids' actions will have absolutely no effect on the crimes the kids commit.
This. You are not going to fix society by adding classes in the curriculum of the school, no matter how good your intentions are or what the subject may be. Fixing society requires a change in culture. That is not easy. And history tells us that once a society is on the downhill and the people are regularly seeking the easy way, it never turns around. It ends either in a low level mess that somehow purpetuates or collapses and something new (not necessarily better) replaces it. We are likely on the path to that "something new" situation.
hollohas
07-24-2024, 09:17
You are not going to fix society by adding classes in the curriculum of the school, no matter how good your intentions are or what the subject may be. Fixing society requires a change in culture. That is not easy.
Can you change a culture without teaching new generations?
Nope.
Changing a culture requires changing schools. It's not the only change required, but teaching the next generations is a major part of changing culture. That's why the commies went after schools so aggressively. And it worked for them.
kidicarus13
07-24-2024, 11:42
And here... we... go...
Wray revealed to the House Judiciary Committee...
Another revelation was that the AR-style rifle the shooter used had a collapsible stock, which Wray said may help explain how no one saw the man carrying the gun.
?We haven?t yet found anybody with firsthand observation of him with the weapon walking around beforehand," Wray said. ?The collapsible stock could be very significant feature that could be relevant to that."
Get ready to hide, pin, register, or turn over your deadly collapsible stocks.
and maybe no one saw the shooter walking around with the gun because the gun was already on scene ahead of time?
Collapsible stock had nothing to do with the out come. Heck, might as well go after triggers next,....had just as much to do with it as the stock did.
collapsible stock... is that the shoulder thingy that goes up?
BushMasterBoy
07-24-2024, 12:44
I'll guess the AR was in two pieces and assembled on the roof. Shooter had the weapon in a backpack. Measure the rifle and the backpack. See if it is concealable in the backpack disassembled. Some drastic changes in the presidential detail are due. Watching the hearings you can tell the lawmakers have no clue as to what questions to ask.
hollohas
07-24-2024, 12:54
I'll guess the AR was in two pieces and assembled on the roof. Shooter had the weapon in a backpack. Measure the rifle and the backpack. See if it is concealable in the backpack disassembled. Some drastic changes in the presidential detail are due. Watching the hearings you can tell the lawmakers have no clue as to what questions to ask.Ban guns that can be disassembled!
And here... we... go...
Wray revealed to the House Judiciary Committee...
Another revelation was that the AR-style rifle the shooter used had a collapsible stock, which Wray said may help explain how no one saw the man carrying the gun.
?We haven?t yet found anybody with firsthand observation of him with the weapon walking around beforehand," Wray said. ?The collapsible stock could be very significant feature that could be relevant to that."
Get ready to hide, pin, register, or turn over your deadly collapsible stocks.
Typically those stocks only collapse 3 or 4 inches to adjust length of pull for different sized shooters... and that rifle had a 20" barrel. Moot point.
kidicarus13
07-24-2024, 17:09
Typically those stocks only collapse 3 or 4 inches to adjust length of pull for different sized shooters... and that rifle had a 20" barrel. Moot point.Doubt it'll be a moot point for the legislative bodies throughout the country and possibly the federal gov't.
Do you think threaded barrels, pistol grips, vertical foregrips, barrel shrouds, flash suppressors, and detachable magazines also moot?
Typically those stocks only collapse 3 or 4 inches to adjust length of pull for different sized shooters... and that rifle had a 20" barrel. Moot point.
97049
Appears to be a 16? AR-15 with a standard collapsible stock, 15? free float rail, front sight that?s either fixed or flipped up, and possibly a Nikon P223 optic.
TEAMRICO
07-24-2024, 19:48
Ban Skechers shoes!!!
Appears to be a 16? AR-15 with a standard collapsible stock, 15? free float rail, front sight that?s either fixed or flipped up, and possibly a Nikon P223 optic.
LE source at the scene (who may have been in error) stated the rifle had a zero magnification Eotech. Does that look like an Eotech to you? I ask because I can't see pics on my phone very well and don't really know optics.
Great-Kazoo
07-24-2024, 20:20
And here... we... go...
Wray revealed to the House Judiciary Committee...
Another revelation was that the AR-style rifle the shooter used had a collapsible stock, which Wray said may help explain how no one saw the man carrying the gun.
?We haven?t yet found anybody with firsthand observation of him with the weapon walking around beforehand," Wray said. ?The collapsible stock could be very significant feature that could be relevant to that."
Get ready to hide, pin, register, or turn over your deadly collapsible stocks.
Like the secret service? Very convenient this happened, failed then. Joe drops out
LE source at the scene (who may have been in error) stated the rifle had a zero magnification Eotech. Does that look like an Eotech to you? I ask because I can't see pics on my phone very well and don't really know optics.
To me it does not look like anything Eotech makes.
battlemidget
07-25-2024, 04:57
An old Triji SRS maybe?
clodhopper
07-25-2024, 07:51
Can you change a culture without teaching new generations?
Nope.
Changing a culture requires changing schools. It's not the only change required, but teaching the next generations is a major part of changing culture. That's why the commies went after schools so aggressively. And it worked for them.
The leftists were able to separate parental bonds with children, administratively reducing the responsibility and duty of parents and transferring it to the state. A culture change that the conservatives watched and let happen. Only then does the changes in the school impact the behavior of the children going forward. It was not done by changing schools alone. It will take a reversal of this, placing responsibility and expectation back on the parents and returning schools to an outlet in support of the parents, that any thing will change for the better..... or for the better as most of us see it. Currently, there are too few conservatives with the understanding and will to take on this kind of undertaking. So we continue to ride the inevitable downslope.
eddiememphis
07-25-2024, 08:34
Ban Skechers shoes!!!
AARP and the geriatric lobby would never allow it.
eddiememphis
07-25-2024, 08:40
The leftists were able to separate parental bonds with children, administratively reducing the responsibility and duty of parents and transferring it to the state. A culture change that the conservatives watched and let happen. Only then does the changes in the school impact the behavior of the children going forward. It was not done by changing schools alone. It will take a reversal of this, placing responsibility and expectation back on the parents and returning schools to an outlet in support of the parents, that any thing will change for the better..... or for the better as most of us see it. Currently, there are too few conservatives with the understanding and will to take on this kind of undertaking. So we continue to ride the inevitable downslope.
Agreed.
Teaching children how to make good decisions based on sound morals is the responsibility of parents, not a government employed stranger.
Too many parents prefer to take the easier path and abdicate that duty, hoping their children luck into someone that can teach them well, while they are immersed in their phones, watching other people live.
The leftists were able to separate parental bonds with children, administratively reducing the responsibility and duty of parents and transferring it to the state. A culture change that the conservatives watched and let happen. Only then does the changes in the school impact the behavior of the children going forward. It was not done by changing schools alone. It will take a reversal of this, placing responsibility and expectation back on the parents and returning schools to an outlet in support of the parents, that any thing will change for the better..... or for the better as most of us see it. Currently, there are too few conservatives with the understanding and will to take on this kind of undertaking. So we continue to ride the inevitable downslope.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers? associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression.
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. ?Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.?
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them ?censorship? and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as ?normal, natural, healthy.?
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with ?social? religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a ?religious crutch?
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of ?separation of church and state.?
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the ?common man.?
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the ?big picture.? Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture?education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks, and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [?]united force[?] to solve economic, political, or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
It happened, and there has not been a large scale shooting war. Yet.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2022/09/why-we-should-abolish-the-family
BushMasterBoy
07-25-2024, 14:10
I always wonder if the shooter was programmed/influenced by a hostile power. My understanding is he spent a significant amount of time working/playing with computers. His parents worked as psychologists/counselors. The shooter seemed very determined to kill Trump and had preplanned his attempt.
I don't use a computer for gaming, but I have seen videos on YouTube of people playing shooter games. I'm guessing a person could be manipulated by others in a online gaming group. I could just see hundreds of Chinese scientist types programming a 20 year old recruited to perform the way he did.
First we got the virus, then the spy balloons and now this. 12 days later the incumbent drops out of the race.
I'm just suspicious with the coincidence of the sequence of previous events. Is AI even capable of producing these kind of actions? Has our intellience community been compromised?
https://www.technologynetworks.com/neuroscience/infographics/optimizing-flow-cytometry-for-screening-and-drug-discovery-387999
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate
https://www.intelligence.gov/
clodhopper
07-25-2024, 14:24
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers? associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression.
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. ?Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.?
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them ?censorship? and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as ?normal, natural, healthy.?
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with ?social? religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a ?religious crutch?
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of ?separation of church and state.?
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the ?common man.?
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the ?big picture.? Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture?education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks, and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [?]united force[?] to solve economic, political, or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
It happened, and there has not been a large scale shooting war. Yet.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2022/09/why-we-should-abolish-the-family
This same plan was underway in Germany by the socialists/communists following WW1 and is what encouraged a strong pushback that became the Nazi movement. Quite ironic as the movement to eliminate communism ended up rooted in a form of socialism (fascism) anyway. The potential for a hard swing to the right is possible right here also. We already see a much improved view toward "nationalism" than just a couple years ago, well one side anyway, the other side still labels it a harbinger of fascism. Which it could be, possibly, if the members who support it dont prevent it from becoming perverted into a negative movement.
The leftists were able to separate parental bonds with children, administratively reducing the responsibility and duty of parents and transferring it to the state. A culture change that the conservatives watched and let happen. Only then does the changes in the school impact the behavior of the children going forward. It was not done by changing schools alone. It will take a reversal of this, placing responsibility and expectation back on the parents and returning schools to an outlet in support of the parents, that any thing will change for the better..... or for the better as most of us see it. Currently, there are too few conservatives with the understanding and will to take on this kind of undertaking. So we continue to ride the inevitable downslope.
"STOP BEING A RACIST TRANSPHOBE BIGOT, YOU BOOTLICKING FASCIST!!!" seems to be their default response to any any all criticism of their proposed policies... followed by doxxing and protests... thousands were fired over their Marxist antics... which worked extraordinarily well for them until all of Gen Z turned trans and biological males were going into girls' locker rooms and joining sports teams... then they threw open the borders.
Now everyone (even many on the Left) are shocked at the carnage.
But it was never about BLM, LGBTQ, or migrants... the goal of Marxists is simply to cause widespread disruption, discord, and fear. Blowback will be brutal. They moved the goalposts so far that now classic 1980s Liberals are accused of being "Right wing." It's madness.
Agreed.
Teaching children how to make good decisions based on sound morals is the responsibility of parents, not a government employed stranger.
Too many parents prefer to take the easier path and abdicate that duty, hoping their children luck into someone that can teach them well, while they are immersed in their phones, watching other people live.
In theory, I 100% agree... but it isn't the 80s anymore... or even the 2000s. Now both parents work (or a single mother collects welfare) and they allow their children to be raised by social media (influenced by Marxist PSYOPs as well as Russian and Chinese troll farms), or in some cases raised by the streets. Who the fuck allows their 13 year old to roam the streets at 0300 unsupervised?
What I propose is simple reitteration of the social contract as well as Criminal and Civil law. ie: "If you have sex with a girl passed out at a party, or force her to have sex against her will, you go to prison for that. And if the police tell you to "FREEZE" it is best not to make any sudden movements and obey their commands." Simple fundamental shit pertaining to being a human in a civilized society. These kids obviously aren't even getting that wisdom at home. No need for any indoctrination of any sort, just an adult explaining that actions have consequences.
Did your parents tell you to always check both ways before crossing the street? Every day, multiple times, I see 20 year olds walking directly into traffic, nowhere near a crosswalk, whilst staring intently at their phone with earbuds in. Society is doomed. I do not believe this is fixable.
We already see a much improved view toward "nationalism" than just a couple years ago, well one side anyway, the other side still labels it a harbinger of fascism. Which it could be, possibly, if the members who support it dont prevent it from becoming perverted into a negative movement.
People are conditioned to believe that "Nationalism" equates with "White supremacy" if not Naziism... especially if they oppose open borders.
Perfectly fine to be proud of being Italian (except Columbus Day), Irish, Greek, Mexican, or pretty much anything else. Marxists are cracking down hard on Nationalism in England and Germany too... as well as Ireland recently. Anyone who opposed unvetted mass migration is a "Nazi." That is a suicidal mindset. Controlling who crosses a country's border is a fundamental safety, health, and economic issue. That's just basic common sense.
I always wonder if the shooter was programmed/influenced by a hostile power. My understanding is he spent a significant amount of time working/playing with computers. His parents worked as psychologists/counselors. The shooter seemed very determined to kill Trump and had preplanned his attempt.
I don't use a computer for gaming, but I have seen videos on YouTube of people playing shooter games. I'm guessing a person could be manipulated by others in a online gaming group. I could just see hundreds of Chinese scientist types programming a 20 year old recruited to perform the way he did.
First we got the virus, then the spy balloons and now this. 12 days later the incumbent drops out of the race.
I'm just suspicious with the coincidence of the sequence of previous events. Is AI even capable of producing these kind of actions? Has our intellience community been compromised?
https://www.technologynetworks.com/neuroscience/infographics/optimizing-flow-cytometry-for-screening-and-drug-discovery-387999
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate
https://www.intelligence.gov/
China
Russia
The Deep State
Communists
Nazis
Facists
Socialists
These are distractions to give people an enemy they can feel good about fighting. No one wants to fight a fat gay whiny crybaby who will declare you the worst insult that has been created precisely to keep you quiet.
But the awesome thing is you do not have to work hard to find the real enemy.
You can find, fix, and finish the enemy by making these choices.
1. Say and believe and make your life align with truth that, Christ is King!
2. Do not serve money as a debt slave.
3. Oppose anyone and everyone by name who funds, coordinates, defends, and controls all forms of moral degeneracy, usury, mass migration of foreigners. Legal or illegal.
4. Make fun of and openly ridicule the ones promoting these evils.
BushMasterBoy
07-25-2024, 16:53
Shortly after I posted, I got an email from the White House. I'll take that as a cue to STFU.
clodhopper
07-25-2024, 18:31
Shortly after I posted, I got an email from the White House. I'll take that as a cue to STFU.
Just respond to Kamala that she sucks as a president.
BushMasterBoy
07-25-2024, 19:51
I'll just settle for this patch.
97063
I'll just settle for this patch.
97063
Where can I get one? [Muaha]
eddiememphis
07-25-2024, 20:27
I haven't a good bowl of bat soup in, like, four years.
I always wonder if the shooter was programmed/influenced by a hostile power. My understanding is he spent a significant amount of time working/playing with computers. His parents worked as psychologists/counselors. The shooter seemed very determined to kill Trump and had preplanned his attempt.
I don't use a computer for gaming, but I have seen videos on YouTube of people playing shooter games. I'm guessing a person could be manipulated by others in a online gaming group. I could just see hundreds of Chinese scientist types programming a 20 year old recruited to perform the way he did.
First we got the virus, then the spy balloons and now this. 12 days later the incumbent drops out of the race.
I'm just suspicious with the coincidence of the sequence of previous events. Is AI even capable of producing these kind of actions? Has our intellience community been compromised?
https://www.technologynetworks.com/neuroscience/infographics/optimizing-flow-cytometry-for-screening-and-drug-discovery-387999
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate
https://www.intelligence.gov/
Not sure that he was all that determined. Because he was also looking at the DNC. Evidence is pointing to it not being a political hit... this kid was seeking infamy. If Biden happened to have done an event nearby, it would've been him. Trump happened to do one right in his backyard.
School shooter honestly, not political assassin.
Probably better get control of school boards and teachers first.
Ethics, citizenship, morality(my addition), and critical thinking that our little group here might agree with is despised in public schools and unlikely in the near future.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
And the teachers union leadership. Have you seen that unhinged rant from that Randi Weingarten dude?
buffalobo
07-26-2024, 03:47
And the teachers union leadership. Have you seen that unhinged rant from that Randi Weingarten dude?Creepy and cringe worthy, I'd trade her and two goats to the local MS13 boys for a cherry slurpee.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
With all the security failures, loose ends, and unanswered questions... shit just doesn't add up for me.
I may well be in error, and no-one is likely ever to uncover the truth, but I'm really getting the feeling this retard was a patsy like Oswald... placed in position, popping off a series of inaccurate shots, as a distraction for a far more skilled sniper to evade and escape after making the headshot... which barely missed due to a random erratic movement.
Imagine how overwhelmed the internet would be with conspiracy theories if he actually popped his top? They'd pull the plug on every social media platform and Leftists would start dropping in every major city because "enemies foreign and domestic." America would not have survived the ensuing shitshow. We'd go full totalitarian until control was reestablished.
I wonder where this "idiot" kid got such good encryption that FBI cant break it.
It is amazing how "non-crackable" encryption is always broken (or apple or google or etc give them the backdoor) when the government really wants it.
Who was he communicating with.
BushMasterBoy
08-01-2024, 14:06
Encryption with one time "code" is never broken. There is only so much even the NSA can do. It is obvious the presidential detail needs more training.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad
Aloha_Shooter
08-15-2024, 11:16
I sure hope this is yet another case of the media telling 10% of the story and getting half that 10% wrong ...
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/donald-trump-rally-secret-service/2024/08/15/id/1176639/
If I read between the lines, Trump wasn't at the rally yet so the room used could reasonably be expected to be NOT needed for a potential emergency at that moment in time. What I don't get is why the Secret Service would assign a mother who is still breastfeeding to a protection detail. Surely there are other positions she could have filled at that moment without the potential distraction of an infant on premises? Why were "unpinned" (i.e., not cleared by the Secret Service to be there) personnel there much less escorting the agent in question and family members?
I sure hope this is yet another case of the media telling 10% of the story and getting half that 10% wrong ...
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/donald-trump-rally-secret-service/2024/08/15/id/1176639/
If I read between the lines, Trump wasn't at the rally yet so the room used could reasonably be expected to be NOT needed for a potential emergency at that moment in time. What I don't get is why the Secret Service would assign a mother who is still breastfeeding to a protection detail. Surely there are other positions she could have filled at that moment without the potential distraction of an infant on premises? Why were "unpinned" (i.e., not cleared by the Secret Service to be there) personnel there much less escorting the agent in question and family members?
Supposedly that agent was a fill in from Atlanta. Agents are specifically not permitted to bring their children to a protection detail, she abandoned a critical post without giving any notice, then was discovered within a restricted area. That's three strikes in a single act... she is losing her job and will be denied an appeal over that.
kidicarus13
08-15-2024, 19:21
Supposedly that agent was a fill in from Atlanta. Agents are specifically not permitted to bring their children to a protection detail, she abandoned a critical post without giving any notice, then was discovered within a restricted area. That's three strikes in a single act...
Three strikes, time for a promotion!
Mick-Boy
08-16-2024, 09:02
https://clayhiggins.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Preliminary-Investigative-Report-8.12.24.pdf
Some interesting details here. Rep. Higgins clearly harbors some mistrust of the FBI... I can't imagine why that might be.
eddiememphis
08-16-2024, 17:59
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-fires-back-claims-released-crooks-body-cremation-days-after-trump-assassination-attempt
Higgins, a former police captain, said that he visited Butler, Pennsylvania, earlier this month to investigate the crime scene and that when he asked to view Crooks’ body, he discovered that it "was gone."
Released for cremation before the investigation is over, obviously to destroy the evidence of a BCM (brain control module), likely implanted during the filming of the commercial by Zionist controlled BlackRock.
We were so close to finding out what REALLY happened but the crafty globalists were one step ahead of us on this one.
We'll get you next time Schwab!
BushMasterBoy
08-16-2024, 19:42
Is the brain control module bluetooth? Can I get one for my g/f? If I had a dog, I would get one for it too!
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-fires-back-claims-released-crooks-body-cremation-days-after-trump-assassination-attempt
Higgins, a former police captain, said that he visited Butler, Pennsylvania, earlier this month to investigate the crime scene and that when he asked to view Crooks? body, he discovered that it "was gone."
Released for cremation before the investigation is over, obviously to destroy the evidence of a BCM (brain control module), likely implanted during the filming of the commercial by Zionist controlled BlackRock.
We were so close to finding out what REALLY happened but the crafty globalists were one step ahead of us on this one.
We'll get you next time Schwab!
The only reason Ruby had to shoot Oswald was because the Cop wouldnt/couldnt.
Is the brain control module bluetooth? Can I get one for my g/f? If I had a dog, I would get one for it too!
How much are you willing to pay for one?
Is the brain control module bluetooth? Can I get one for my g/f? If I had a dog, I would get one for it too!
Bluetooth is way too slow.
Is the brain control module bluetooth? Can I get one for my g/f? If I had a dog, I would get one for it too!
Pinterest hands them out like they are Pez. But like all things, if you don't pay for it, your gf is the product.
Aloha_Shooter
08-22-2024, 15:24
I see the Leftists are now posting pictures of Trump behind bulletproof glass partition at current rallies, as if to imply he's now a coward. Then they post articles about him coming out from behind the partition when it appeared a rally attendee was having medical issues so I guess he's reckless? Which is it? Bastages can't even keep their lies or innuendo straight ...
Meanwhile, the man is on a mission. The only person that will tell us straight.
The only person saying...
Make America Great Again!
-John
kidicarus13
08-28-2024, 16:38
For all of those curious, the shooter's rifle...97270
97272
Scanker19
08-28-2024, 16:55
The damage to the stock is interesting.
Also I almost didn’t see the Lower with the stock collapsed…..
eddiememphis
08-28-2024, 16:58
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/28/politics/fbi-gun-photos-trump-shooting/index.html
The photos show the firearm’s collapsable stock, which investigators say may have been used to conceal the rife at the site.
https://nypost.com/2024/08/28/us-news/fbi-releases-photos-showing-how-trump-shooter-thomas-crooks-concealed-ar-15-rifle/
The images show that Crooks — a 20-year-old gun nut — broke down the semi-automatic DPMS DR-15 rifle into two pieces and stowed it...
https://www.everytown.org/press/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-rifle-used-in-the-trump-rally-shooting/
When the gun lobby and gun industry act with impunity, no one — not even the former president — is safe...The company offers “shoot now, pay later” financing, to name a few examples of its irresponsible practices.
BPTactical
08-28-2024, 17:40
The damage to the stock is interesting. ..
Considering the shooter was proned out and caught a 300 WinMag in the face stock damage should be expected.
eddiememphis
08-29-2024, 08:21
Considering the shooter was proned out and caught a 300 WinMag in the face stock damage should be expected.
He was shot at twice.
Once was a local SWAT guy from the ground. His bullet hit the stock and the buffer tube.
The Secret Service guy then hit him in the head.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/17/trump-assassination-attempt-swat-officer-report
hollohas
08-29-2024, 08:26
https://nypost.com/2024/08/28/us-news/fbi-releases-photos-showing-how-trump-shooter-thomas-crooks-concealed-ar-15-rifle/
The images show that Crooks ? a 20-year-old gun nut ? broke down the semi-automatic DPMS DR-15 rifle into two pieces and stowed it...
This is one of the dumbest things ever written by the press.
kidicarus13
08-29-2024, 10:25
This is one of the dumbest things ever written by the press.A newly proposed law requiring locking takedown pin sets.
"The special weapons and tactics (Swat) officer?s bullet delayed the gunman, and Higgins said he was almost certain it damaged the aggressor?s assault rifle, rendering it incapable of firing further shots."
I don't see that from the damaged rifle picture.
hollohas
08-29-2024, 11:59
A newly proposed law requiring locking takedown pin sets.
"The special weapons and tactics (Swat) officer?s bullet delayed the gunman, and Higgins said he was almost certain it damaged the aggressor?s assault rifle, rendering it incapable of firing further shots."
I don't see that from the damaged rifle picture.
The shoulder thingy that goes up is THE integral part that allows the scary gun to kill. Damage that with an expertly placed SWAT bullet, and the gun no worky no more. It's science.
kidicarus13
08-29-2024, 12:12
I dunno, my shoulder stock doesn't do shiet besides make the buffer tube a little more comfortable on my shoulder. Sounds like yours goes up and is needed to fire your rifle. Lots of variations out there.97274
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-30-2024, 16:42
Crap, now instead of shooting someone in the leg, we’ll go all the way back to shooting the gun out of their hands…
Considering the shooter was proned out and caught a 300 WinMag in the face stock damage should be expected.
He was shot at by two different snipers.
First shot destroyed the stock and buffer assembly fell out. Second shot caught him in the face.
Now some are decrying that since the rifle could no longer cycle po-lice "shot an unarmed man." lol
eddiememphis
09-15-2024, 17:00
Again today?
https://apnews.com/article/trump-shooting-gunshots-florida-f62f8378d3a8ce7b2e99d6a8fb40aba9
U.S. Secret Service agents posted a few holes up from where Trump was playing noticed the muzzle of an AK-style rifle sticking through the shrubbery that lines the course, roughly 400 yards away.
An agent fired and the gunman dropped the rifle and fled in an SUV, leaving the firearm behind along with two backpacks, a scope used for aiming and a GoPro camera, Palm Beach County Sheriff Ric Bradshaw said. The man was later taken into custody in a neighboring county.
400 yards with an AK? Good luck, bro.
https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/us-news/would-be-trump-assassin-idd-as-ryan-routh-58-of-hawaii-sources/
Ryan Wesley Routh, 58, has been identified as the suspect who was arrested after allegedly pointing an AK-47 assault rifle at former President Trump while he golfed, according to law enforcement sources.
Routh frequently touted his do-gooder credentials and championed left-wing causes on social media.
Another disassociated ute? The Marxist party has 50 more days to get it right. Maybe they should hire a Venezuelan gang.
Great-Kazoo
09-15-2024, 17:40
Isolated incident, like the last one.
However KNOWING there was 1 attempt already. Where we had not only a major SS failure, but for some reason the "investigation" has gone cold, like the LV shooter.
One would "think" they'd be a bit more diligent.
But i guess that thorough investigation to see where they dropped the ball. Has them so occupied, they forgot to increase his protective detail.
Hmmmm... Is it C=Coincidence. R C= Conspiracy?
30+ indictments against trump, from "evidence" they dug up from decades ago. YET, to date for the deceased assassin in PA, not one shred of evidence? No one able to unlock the supposedly encrypted info on his pc?
I can’t wait to hear the rest of the story and find out more about this latest breach of security. You would think the Secret Service would have tripled manpower after the Butler, PA incident.
SKS, not AK. And yes you actually can hit a torso sized target at 400yds with 7.62x39.
BushMasterBoy
09-16-2024, 00:53
This seems to be an accurate report from the media. My understanding is federal prosecutors are taking over the case.
My personal opinion is these would be assassins are trying to foment civil war, even to the point of martyrdom.
https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/15/donald-trump-safe-gunshots/75239096007/
eddiememphis
09-16-2024, 08:56
This guy is odd.
He was trying to recruit Muslim fighters from Afghanistan and the Middle East to go fight for Ukraine.
He had over 100 run-ins with the law, including being arrested during a standoff in which he had a "weapon of mass destruction", rumored to be a full auto rifle. He got probation for that. I am guessing he chose the SKS because it is a C&R.
The conspiracy theorist are insisting he was a government plant, of course. Who else would go to Kyiv and recruit for the cause other than someone with high ranking government contacts?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ryan-routh-trump-shooting-suspect-florida-assassination-attempt-b2613428.html
“We can confirm this person reached out to us online multiple times,” Shaguri said, adding: “The best way to describe his messages is — delusional ideas.”
Another former International Legion official told The Daily Telegraph: “He was called out a number of times by Legion people and told to stop his shenanigans, but that didn’t seem to stop him. He was mostly quite eccentric. I could smell a mile away that he was full of s***.”
“He had threatened to blow up the entire Greensboro Police Department, that was all documented in the police reports.”
Tina Cooper worked for Routh at United Roofing during the incident. She said: “He had a stand-off here, and I don’t know what he was thinking then, either,” adding that Routh “did some stupid s*** down here, and ... got away with some of it.”
He fled the scene and drove to the United Roofing offices, where he barricaded himself inside, armed with a fully automatic machine gun, the Greensboro News & Record reported.
It's only privileged folk with no criminal record that would risk a 10 year sentence and a $250,000 fine.
Everyone else with a purring gat is released, cause we need more anti-firearm laws, and these cats are helping.
eddiememphis
09-18-2024, 08:54
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13864849/Cops-explosives-car-near-Trump-rally-Long-Island-second-assassination-attempt.html
Cops 'find explosives' in car near Trump rally on Long Island
In addition, during the K9 sweep they apparently 'found an explosive device in one of the vehicles.'
The sources allegedly said the driver ended up running into the woods.
Seems like it's open season on him. There are enough nuts running around that he needs to be extra careful or he's not gonna make it until November.
Great-Kazoo
09-18-2024, 15:41
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13864849/Cops-explosives-car-near-Trump-rally-Long-Island-second-assassination-attempt.html
Cops 'find explosives' in car near Trump rally on Long Island
In addition, during the K9 sweep they apparently 'found an explosive device in one of the vehicles.'
The sources allegedly said the driver ended up running into the woods.
Seems like it's open season on him. There are enough nuts running around that he needs to be extra careful or he's not gonna make it until November.
IMO, that's their plan. Especially after hrc put her election was stolen $0.01 in on madcow
eddiememphis
09-24-2024, 18:30
97388
Sniper rifle used in Florida.
The scope mount looks custom, as does the orange juice can eye shade.
This character was obviously trained well by some black ops division of the secret cabal that actually runs things.
I'm surprised he did not take a 1500 yard shot which would be easy for someone with his obvious skills and knowledge.
Trump was extremely lucky with this one.
kidicarus13
09-24-2024, 19:54
I'm curious how close the USSS shots were to hitting the suspect.
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