The Boulder King Soopers trial live

[Hummer]

The trial of Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa for the murders of 10 people has begun. Opening remarks by the Boulder District Attorney describe the events. Remarkable.


At this link on the right, select Boulder Courtroom G

https://live.coloradojudicial.gov/

[flogger]

That is chilling to listen to. I thought he was deemed mentally unfit for trial? The defense should be interesting to hear.

He should never have left the store alive in my opinion. SOB

[.455_Hunter]

I have been a customer at that store since I was a little kid and we used to stop after having lessons out at the Mesa Swim Club. My wife had her prescriptions filled at the pharmacy. There is definitely a non-zero probability that my family could have been directly involved, especially if he had chosen to attack later in the day. There are a lot of armed citizens in Boulder, but they may not be the population able to shop on a weekday afternoon. The perp shooting people in the parking lot while approaching the front door is why you train out to 100+ yards with your sidearm.

[def90]

I arrived in the parking lot as everyone was running out the doors and right behind a string of police cars. Not knowing what was going on I watched for a couple minutes before deciding I probably shouldn't be hanging out..

Pulling in behond the first line of cop cars that arrived:

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Cops lined up at the door going in:

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Decided to leave after the armored truck arrived:

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[Mtneer]

Between two employers, I worked in that mall for over a dozen years. Lived nearby even longer, so KS was just part of my routine for two decades. Moved to the hills several years before this incident but it still hit close. Haven't been in since, mostly due to proximity, but will shop there someday. Even if I was in the pool, doubt I'd have been selected for the jury after I filled out the questionnaire.

[XJ]

Sudden jihad syndrome

[.455_Hunter]

Stating that you support the precedent set by the United Airlines Flight 629 incident would probably not make you popular with the legal teams. John Gilbert Graham was executed a bit over 13 months from date of the 1955 bombing.

[.455_Hunter]

Sudden jihad syndrome


I have no problem calling this perp an islamic terrorist.

[BushMasterBoy]

Make it federal and give him the needle.

[Hummer]

I certainly wouldn't want to be on that jury. Three weeks ago, I got notice to report for jury duty and thought I might be in the pool for the KS shooting trial. Fortunately, it commenced sooner. I report Monday, and know there are several domestic violence cases being prosecuted. Much easier to digest.

I lived in Boulder for years and used to shop at the Table Mesa KS because it was the only decent sized grocery in town. I shopped there a week or so before the shooting, and often wonder how it might have gone down if I had been there, armed as I usually am. Now, I avoid GoogleVille, er Boulder, as if the plague resides there. Because, it does.

[Hummer]

We have been watching and listening to the key parts of the trial from the beginning. This morning, the prosecution presented the closing arguments, which have just concluded. The defense is on now. The prosecution rebuttal will follow. That Alissa committed the crimes is not disputed by the defense. I think the prosecution has clearly distinguished that while Alissa is mentally ill, that is not the same as insane. Colorado law outlines that distinction, and the evidence presented details that Alissa deliberately planned, purchased the weapons and gear, and carried out the killings. He purposely killed everyone he shot, everyone who ran away, but he clearly allowed two people to live who were mentally compromised, who didn't recognize that what was happening was deadly dangerous. That was a sane response. He premeditated every step including his removal of clothing once he was confronted by law enforcement because as he stated, he didn't want to be shot by police.

What stands out to me was the incredible devotion to duty and bravery of the first responders when facing a very difficult and dangerous environment. An environment where they couldn't locate the shooter even when Alissa was shooting at them. The actions of every one of those first responding men and women was heroic. This was not the same as dodging simunitions in the first responder training that I participated in shortly after Columbine. All of the survivors, both citizens and first responders, have suffered the after effects of the events that day.

Yesterday, Jon Caldara published his take which is worth reading. It includes his call for an independent review of what happened, and why after first responders retreated, it took 37 minutes for law enforcement to re enter, all the while Alissa still had ample ammunition to kill another 51 people hiding in the store.


https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2024/09/19/caldara-brave-cops-acting-fast-cut-short-boulder-shooting-rampage/

[buffalobo]

"That Alissa committed the crimes is not disputed by the defense."

Then the jury should quickly return a guilty verdict and perp should be immediately hung in front of the courthouse regardless of mental circumstances.

Anything else is a crime against the citizenry.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[Eric P]

Insanity should be removed as a legal defense.

What does your state of mind have to do with wether your savk of flesh did a crime or not?

Putting down a sick dog is legal, so should a person that is insane. Society should not have to support thier worthless flesh sack.

[.455_Hunter]

The fact that the terrorist planned and executed this massacre over a multi week period is sufficient evidence of sanity. He should have been executed within 12 months of the incident. The only insanity defense I support would be something like a 400 lb individual with the mind of a 4 year old getting upset at a caregiver and crushing them to death.

[Bowtie]

Did they ever bring up the Syrian connection and how his family is from Syria and this happened shortly after the US public involvement in Syria?

[Hummer]

The fact that the terrorist planned and executed this massacre over a multi week period is sufficient evidence of sanity. He should have been executed within 12 months of the incident. The only insanity defense I support would be something like a 400 lb individual with the mind of a 4 year old getting upset at a caregiver and crushing them to death.

Agreed. The defense was largely responsible for the delay in demanding that Alissa not be treated for his mental illness when in confinement in the jail and at the state hospital. They wanted to show him to be as mentally disturbed as possible, and not treating him while in confinement would do that to a schizophrenic. There may yet be consequences for the defense attorneys as well as the state hospital staff for not treating him. During Alissa's years long stay, there wasn't a single doctor in attendance at the state hospital. Not one. When he finally was properly treated for schizophrenia by a court order, he was interviewed by four doctors, all of whom declared him sane. Again, his mental illness is a medical diagnosis, sanity is a legal one.

[Hummer]

Did they ever bring up the Syrian connection and how his family is from Syria and this happened shortly after the US public involvement in Syria?

No, the Syrian connection and any jihadist leanings were never discussed as a factor. Had it been revealed, I expect the FBI would have referred the case for federal prosecution early on. We can only guess that the family continues under careful scrutiny and the state prosecution may be the first step before the feds come in. When shortly before the attack Alissa had difficulty clearing a jam in the AR pistol, one of his brothers cleared it for him. It appears that the brothers might have known what he planned to do. The family members apparently lied to investigators in the initial interviews, then made contrary statements in later interviews, and at trial. The prosecution asked on closing, "shouldn't they be held accountable for this"?

My impression is that the Boulder District Attorney Michael Dougherty conducted a careful and thorough investigation and prosecution that was designed to prevent a successful repeal. The closing by his ADA was impressive, and the rebuttal by Dougherty sewed close the defense arguments. The state public defender did a fine job given the overwhelming evidence. In closing, she made an emotional appeal, screaming at the jurors to mimic what a schizophrenic might be feeling in an episode, even crying for a moment, searching for any weak juror not focused on following the law in making a decision.

It's in the jury's hands now. Ahmad Alissa is charged with one hundred fifteen counts of killing ten white people, including a white police officer.

[.455_Hunter]

No, the Syrian connection and any jihadist leanings were never discussed as a factor. Had it been revealed, I expect the FBI would have referred the case for federal prosecution early on. We can only guess that the family continues under careful scrutiny and the state prosecution may be the first step before the feds come in. When shortly before the attack Alissa had difficulty clearing a jam in the AR pistol, one of his brothers cleared it for him. It appears that the brothers might have known what he planned to do. The family members apparently lied to investigators in the initial interviews, then made contrary statements in later interviews, and at trial. The prosecution asked on closing, "shouldn't they be held accountable for this"?

My impression is that the Boulder District Attorney Michael Dougherty conducted a careful and thorough investigation and prosecution that was designed to prevent a successful repeal. The closing by his ADA was impressive, and the rebuttal by Dougherty sewed close the defense arguments. The state public defender did a fine job given the overwhelming evidence. In closing, she made an emotional appeal, screaming at the jurors to mimic what a schizophrenic might be feeling in an episode, even crying for a moment, searching for any weak juror not focused on following the law in making a decision.

It's in the jury's hands now. Ahmad Alissa is charged with one hundred fifteen counts of killing ten white people, including a white police officer.


Before June 2013, we lived just a few blocks from the original family restaurant at 64th & Ward- The Sultan Grill. The food was excellent, and we would get a Fri or Sat night to go order every couple of months. One of the kids we saw there was probably the young terrorist.

This terrorist seems like he was really good at killing unarmed people and got a lucky shot on Talley. From day one, I have always felt some good with a sidearm who actually practiced at extended 50/100 yd ranges could have taken him out on the parking lot. He turned into a little bitch with just the leg wound.

We have been to the reopened store a few times. It is quite nice, but you are always thinking about "it" everytime you enter that parking lot and try to shop. What's really weird was that my friends and I played laser tag a few times at an indoor arena just east of King Soopers in the early 90's near where Great Clips is now. Kinda surreal...

[theGinsue]

"That Alissa committed the crimes is not disputed by the defense."

Then the jury should quickly return a guilty verdict and perp should be immediately hung in front of the courthouse regardless of mental circumstances.

Anything else is a crime against the citizenry.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

Perhaps if we returned to public executions and other public punishments, many would-be offenders would re-think their intentions and we'd be dealing with a lot less crime.

[eddiememphis]

Guilty on all 55 counts

Bye bye, dickhead

[Hummer]

Perhaps if we returned to public executions and other public punishments, many would-be offenders would re-think their intentions and we'd be dealing with a lot less crime.

Life in prison is too good for the scumbag. So would the needle. He should be skinned alive, slowly, and broadcast on all stations. If that became the norm for these copycat killers, the school and other mass shootings would come to an end.


I know, I know....

Any bets on how long he'll remain alive?

[kidicarus13]

According to the Associated Press, "He came armed with steel-piercing bullets and illegal magazines that can hold 30 rounds of ammunition, which prosecutors said showed he took deliberate steps to make the attack as deadly as possible."

[flogger]

Why wouldn?t this be considered a Federal crime?

[eddiememphis]

Why wouldn?t this be considered a Federal crime?

Because murder is illegal in Boulder, Boulder County and/or Colorado.

https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/victim-services/a-brief-description-of-the-federal-criminal-justice-process

Not every crime is a federal offense. For example, murder is a crime in all 50 states, but it is not a federal offense unless, for example, a federal official is murdered while performing official functions.

[BushMasterBoy]

Such bullshit. I can almost bet he was radicalized by terrorists. The feds are so overwhelmed, they figured just let the locals deal with it. He will end up in the CSP (Colorado State Penitentary) until some other inmate gets hold of him.

[buffalobo]

Life in prison is too good for the scumbag. So would the needle. He should be skinned alive, slowly, and broadcast on all stations. If that became the norm for these copycat killers, the school and other mass shootings would come to an end.


I know, I know....

Any bets on how long he'll remain alive?Better yet, why is he still alive. Public execution should have been performed immediately upon conviction.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[Eric P]

Better yet, why is he still alive. Public execution should have been performed immediately upon conviction.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

Yep. And I sure as hell would not convict the person who put him down execution style in the store. Would have saved millions in wasted tax payer resources

[newracer]

He will be moved out of state just like others have been recently.