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eddiememphis
09-18-2024, 14:03
https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_2024_ballot_measures
It's that time of year again. We get to vote on new and silly propositions that will change our state.
Prop KK- 6.5% tax on firearms and ammunition. Proceeds will fund "Firearms and Ammunition Excise Tax Cash Fund to be used to fund crime victim services programs, education programs, and mental and behavioral health programs for children and veterans", because, you know... it's for the children.
Amendment 79- Constitutional Right to Abortion. A lil nugget they added is the repeal of section 50, article V, that states "Public funding of abortion forbidden". So now anyone gets her (or his!) abortion covered by the state. I can't figure out if this one is for the children or not.
Prop 127- Prohibit hunting of kitties. It's always a good idea to let uninformed city dwellers make wildlife management decisions. After all, what could go wrong?
Prop 131- Ranked Choice Voting- Let's vote for everyone, all at once. Then, through a convoluted process that is easily rigged, someone will eventually win. Was it the person you voted for? Yes, since you voted for them all! Everyone is a winner!
There are a couple on the ballot that make sense but for the most part, I foresee myself casting a whole lot of NOs.
BladesNBarrels
09-18-2024, 16:46
What percentage of the voters will actually read and research the meaning and consequences of each of the 14 Statewide Ballot Measures?
Who put these measures on our ballot?
Colorado is quickly devolving into the next state as bad as California.
-John
Amendment 79 Provide for a state constitutional right to abortion and repeal provision banning the use of public funds for abortions
Amendment 80 Provide a constitutional right to school choice including neighborhood schools, charter schools, private schools, homeschools, open enrollment options, and future innovations in education
Amendment G Expands the property tax exemption for veterans with a disability to veterans with individual unemployability status
Amendment H Creates an independent judicial discipline adjudicative board and create rules for the judicial discipline process
Amendment I Remove the right to bail in cases of first-degree murder when the proof is evident or the presumption is great
Amendment J Remove the provision of the state constitution that says "Only a union of one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in this state"
Amendment K Change deadlines for filing initiative and referendum petition signatures and judicial retention notice deadlines to remove one week in order to allow one extra week for the secretary of state to certify ballot order and content and election officials' deadline to transmit ballots
Proposition 127 Prohibit trophy hunting, defined as "intentionally killing, wounding, pursuing, or entrapping a mountain lion, bobcat, or lynx; or discharging or releasing any deadly weapon at a mountain lion, bobcat, or lynx"
Proposition 128 Require that persons convicted of certain violent crimes serve more of their sentences before being eligible for parole
Proposition 129 Create the profession of veterinary professional associate (VPA) requiring a master's degree and registration with the state board of veterinary medicine
Proposition 130 Allocate state revenue to a new fund, called the Peace Officer Training and Support Fund, for law enforcement recruitment, retention, training, and death benefits
Proposition 131 Establish top-four primaries and ranked-choice voting (RCV) for federal and state offices in Colorado
Proposition JJ Allow the state to retain tax revenue collected above $29 million annually from the tax on sports betting proceeds
Proposition KK Levy a 6.5% excise tax on firearms and ammunition manufacturing and sales to be imposed on firearms dealers, manufacturers, and ammunition vendors and appropriating the revenue to the Firearms and Ammunition Excise Tax Cash Fund to be used to fund crime victim services programs, education programs, and mental and behavioral health programs for children and veterans
If you won't go out to fight for Trump, go out to fight for TABOR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxpayer_Bill_of_Rights).
Tell all your friends to vote no on everything,
80 may be good. Does the funding follow the kid to school of choice?
And constitutional ammendments now require a higher approval. More than 50% + 1?
buffalobo
09-18-2024, 21:26
And constitutional ammendments now require a higher approval. More than 50% + 1?Always have, 60%+.
Edit to correct numbers and dates of super majority requirement for constitutional amendments to Colorado's constitution.
On November 8, 2016, however, Colorado voters approved?Amendment 71, an?initiated constitutional amendment?that imposed a?55 percent supermajority vote?for constitutional amendments, including both?initiated constitutional amendments?and?legislatively referred constitutional amendments.?
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
buffalobo
09-18-2024, 21:31
Vote no on all, none of the proposed constitutional amendments are important enough to amend the state constitution.
We have amended the state constitution way too much already.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
Always have, 60%+.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
No, the wolf thing passed with 50.91%.
buffalobo
09-19-2024, 03:37
No, the wolf thing passed with 50.91%.Wolf reintroduction was a proposition not an amendment to constitution.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
the push to ban "trophy" hunting of cats kinda rubs me raw. First of all, there already is NO hunting for lynx. second of all, the big cats are considered big game in Colo already which means that the meat must be processed just like any other big game such as deer and elk. It's no more of a "trophy" hunt than any of hunting that goes on currently, but the idiots can pull the wool over the non-hunting idiots and tug on their heart strings by wording it like they did.
And by the way, Mtn. lion is actually pretty good eating.
eddiememphis
09-19-2024, 16:17
second of all, the big cats are considered big game in Colo ...
Bobcats are furbearers, not big game
Amendment G, 80, I, and H are a maybe for me at most.
Proposition 128 and 130 is also a maybe for me.
The rest are a giant Hell to the Nah.
"DON'T SHOOT DAT PUDDY TAT!!!"
*ahem*
Mountain lions actually ATTACK people. So do bobcats. Lynx is on the endangered list, but they attack people too.
And they raised millions of dollars just on this one stupid issue.
These are already slam-dunks for team fraud [pileoshit]
theGinsue
09-20-2024, 09:08
And by the way, Mtn. lion is actually pretty good eating.
Quoted for truth. Mtn. Lion is probably one of the best tasting meats I've every eaten.
If they weren't Constitutional Amendments, I'd consider a Yes on 80 & I. But, I agree with Lobo that we've amended our state Constitution too much already.
The only other measure I might consider a Yes on is Prop 128.
128 should be changed to say 100% of thier sentences. If they only require x% for most, then they need to revise sentencing. Then use longer sentences for those earned them.
Zero tax deductions for special interest groups. Everyone should pay the same rates. But property tax should be eliminated and sales & income taxes adjusted. You should never be taxed for owning anything. Pay sales tax on it and never be taxed on it again. With property tax, do you really own anything or own property if the government could take it for not paying them for the privilege of ownership? Don't give me this crap about the fire department or the schools or whatever is funded by property tax. There are sales & income taxes.
Bobcats are furbearers, not big game
I don't consider bobcats as big cats
128 should be changed to say 100% of thier sentences. If they only require x% for most, then they need to revise sentencing. Then use longer sentences for those earned them.
Zero tax deductions for special interest groups. Everyone should pay the same rates. But property tax should be eliminated and sales & income taxes adjusted. You should never be taxed for owning anything. Pay sales tax on it and never be taxed on it again. With property tax, do you really own anything or own property if the government could take it for not paying them for the privilege of ownership? Don't give me this crap about the fire department or the schools or whatever is funded by property tax. There are sales & income taxes.
Sometimes it?s not an all or nothing game. Let?s get a first down before we go for the touchdown pass and the field goal.
The more groups that we get tax breaks for could be used to prove that none of them are warranted, or needed. Or, to try to keep getting more little by little. Disabled vets, then all Vets that served honorably, then their widows, kids, parents, siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles, then cousins. Do it for the veterans! What? Do you hate America or something?
That could be a way to get us closer towards a government that is payed for by the users of the services rendered, sales taxes, and tariffs on imported goods from out of state, or out of country. Buy a non U.S. made good? 10% sales tax. Made in the U.S. but not made in Colorado? 5% tax. Made in Colorado? 1% tax. Decide to use the courts? Schools? Fire or Police Department services? You get to pay for those optional government services by the hour.
eddiememphis
09-27-2024, 08:58
https://i2i.org/election2024/
Jon Caldara's Independence Institute voting guide.
More yeses than I expected but very close to how I will likely fill my ballot.
https://i2i.org/election2024/
Jon Caldara's Independence Institute voting guide.
More yeses than I expected but very close to how I will likely fill my ballot.
Thanks for sharing this link. I just reviewed it and went ahead and shared it with my entire company. It's good to see things from a Libertarian perspective instead of the two polarized sides.
Yeah, thanks for the positions / links / etc. on this one.
I'm almost wondering if the ranked choice thing is all that bad... w/o it we are guaranteed the more progressive, liberal gov/senate candidates. With it, maybe not. I'm just not seeing how it stops us from e.g. getting a GOP governor or presidential candidate because... we're already 100% cock blocked from that.
eddiememphis
09-27-2024, 14:46
Yeah, thanks for the positions / links / etc. on this one.
I'm almost wondering if the ranked choice thing is all that bad... w/o it we are guaranteed the more progressive, liberal gov/senate candidates. With it, maybe not. I'm just not seeing how it stops us from e.g. getting a GOP governor or presidential candidate because... we're already 100% cock blocked from that.
Depending on the voter makeup, there is a possibility that no Republicans, or any third party candidates would even make the general election ballot.
buffalobo
09-27-2024, 18:17
Depending on the voter makeup, there is a possibility that no Republicans, or any third party candidates would even make the general election ballot.That's the idea.
Look at Alaska.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
Yeah, thanks for the positions / links / etc. on this one.
I'm almost wondering if the ranked choice thing is all that bad... w/o it we are guaranteed the more progressive, liberal gov/senate candidates. With it, maybe not. I'm just not seeing how it stops us from e.g. getting a GOP governor or presidential candidate because... we're already 100% cock blocked from that.
It's bad, in that it takes away the principle of our Republic. We are a Republic, and not a Democracy.
The Independence Institute, should know this.
https://i2i.org/election2024/
Jon Caldara's Independence Institute voting guide.
More yeses than I expected but very close to how I will likely fill my ballot.
Far too many "yes" from my perspective. He is as media personailty, and is obviously considering how he makes money, versus, what is right.
Vote NO on everything.
-John
Depending on the voter makeup, there is a possibility that no Republicans, or any third party candidates would even make the general election ballot.
I guess you may be right depending on how it's engineered / how it tabulates ranked choice. If 55% in 4th place is more valuable than 45% in 1st place, then it's engineered to do exactly what you said. I'll try to take a look.
eddiememphis
09-29-2024, 08:57
I guess you may be right depending on how it's engineered / how it tabulates ranked choice. If 55% in 4th place is more valuable than 45% in 1st place, then it's engineered to do exactly what you said. I'll try to take a look.
Shall there be a change to the Colorado Revised Statutes creating new election processes for certain federal and state offices, and, in connection therewith, creating a new all-candidate primary election for U.S. Senate, U.S. House of Representatives, governor, attorney general, secretary of state, treasurer, CU board of regents, state board of education, and the Colorado state legislature; allowing voters to vote for any one candidate per office, regardless of the voter’s or candidate’s political party affiliation; providing that the four candidates for each office who receive the most votes advance to the general election; and in the general election, allowing voters to rank candidates for each office on their ballot, adopting a process for how the ranked votes are tallied, and determining the winner to be the candidate with the highest number of votes in the final tally?
eddiememphis
09-29-2024, 08:58
Far too many "yes" from my perspective. He is as media personailty, and is obviously considering how he makes money, versus, what is right.
Vote NO on everything.
-John
How does he make his money that would influence his voters guide?
OneGuy67
09-29-2024, 09:10
https://i2i.org/election2024/
Jon Caldara's Independence Institute voting guide.
More yeses than I expected but very close to how I will likely fill my ballot.
Mine as well. A couple of differences, but overall about the same.
eddiememphis
09-30-2024, 08:55
https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2024/09/29/rosen-ballot-issue-recommendations-november-election/
Mike Rosen's picks
https://koacolorado.iheart.com/content/2024-09-29-mandy-connell-2024-voters-guide/
Mandy Connell's picks
And for FoxtArt and anyone else interested in making sense the ranked choice garbage...
https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2024/07/08/rosen-beware-the-ranked-choice-voting-trojan-horse/
Yeah, the real BS is as you quoted, "adopting a process for how the ranked votes are tallied, and determining the winner to be the candidate with the highest number of votes in the final tally?"
If they don't spell it out, they can do whatever the hell they want after it passes. Hard pass.
How does he make his money that would influence his voters guide?
He has a TV show on Channel 12, this by itself makes him part of "fake news."
He is surrounded by liberals, and some of it rubs off.
He makes money by donations, that come from the liberals that watch his TV show.
He is neutral on Ranked Choice. 'nuff said.
-John
eddiememphis
10-04-2024, 09:19
https://freestatecolorado.com/2024-ballot/
A Libertarian Guide to Colorado’s 2024 Ballot Initiatives
Vote no on everything.
Everything you vote yes for, is bad for you.
-John
The only people asking you to vote yes on things, are people that stand to make/take (your) money when you vote yes.
-John
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