Prop KK (6.5% gun/ammo tax)

[kidicarus13]

When does this new tax go into effect? At least y'all got your fat pay raises at work this year to cover this.97636

[Oscar77]

If you still have that booklet they send you it should say there.... I ASSUME Jan 1st.............. that or find the actual legal text of it online.
I also ASSUME that the precincts that havent come in yet are rural and probably will be "no's" ..................... but it won't be enough to overcome that lead.

[APEXgunparts]

Since when do Coloradans ever approve any new taxes?

Richard

[Oscar77]

Since when do Coloradans ever approve any new taxes?

Richard

Welcome to the brave new world.................... The future is now old man.

[kidicarus13]

I found the answer... April 1, 2025.

https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Proposition_KK,_Excise_Tax_on_Firearms_De alers,_Manufacturers,_and_Ammunition_Vendors_Measu re_(2024)97637

[Eric P]

Tax this...

After April 1, I will not purchase ammo in this state.

Would it apply to out of state sales of fire arms? I sure as hell never declared use tax on high dollar items from out if state and the internet.

[flogger]

Bastards…..!

[BPTactical]

It’s ok to butcher a child in this state with state funding up to the date of delivery but you have to pay an additional 6.5% to enjoy a Constitutionally protected activity.


Think about that for a while.

[O2HeN2]

Looks like the time is now to buy a case of 9mm...

O2

[Sawin]

Does it apply to components like powder and primers too? I suppose they’ll go up anyway, even if it doesn’t… but I’m curious.

[Oscar77]

@kid:

Yes, that is what I found as well, once I looked as well.

Sawin:
In that book they sent you............ it says "ammunition and components." ................ so yes.

Eric:
I'm just glancing at it................it seems (and I was wrong once already) ............... but someone with sales under 20,000 annually is exempt. also it specifically says "private sales are exempt."
Lastly............. sales to LE and Mil are also exempt.............. So the Cops get a break. I'm good with the Mil getting it ............

[bcolorado]

It is amazing that a tax specifically targeting firearms and accoutrements is not an infringement.

If it is just to raise money how about a 10% foofoo coffee shop tax?

[MED]

If you think this is bad, wait until you see the shit they pass next legislative session; phase three will be bad.

I wanted clarification on internet sales too although I think the California internet sales restrictions are coming. I was also curious about components since parts are in it.

[eddiememphis]

It is amazing that a tax specifically targeting firearms and accoutrements is not an infringement.

If it is just to raise money how about a 10% foofoo coffee shop tax?

Coffee doesn't slaughter millions of innocent school children every year, guns do.

It was not proposed just to raise money. It is what is called a sin tax, behavioral tax or Pigovian tax.

It is about changing unwanted behavior through taxation.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/pigoviantax.asp

A Pigovian tax is a way of discouraging negative externalities, or activities that impose a cost on third parties and society.

It taxation was solely about revenue, why not tax abortions?

[newracer]

I'll just need to make more trip to Cheyenne to see my sister.

[20X11]

Alcohol, Tobacco, Gambling, Weed...and now they classify firearms/ammo in that group of "specially" taxed "sins".

[kidicarus13]

Alcohol, Tobacco, Gambling, Weed...and now they classify firearms/ammo in that group of "specially" taxed "sins".You forgot "natural medicine," i.e. Psilocybin, psilocyn, ibogaine, mescaline, and dimethyltryptamine (DMT)

[20X11]

You forgot "natural medicine," i.e. Psilocybin, psilocyn, ibogaine, mescaline, and dimethyltryptamine (DMT)

I did forget that...sorry. Any chance that since it will be an additional source of revenue, they will stop trying to ban them?

[BushMasterBoy]

Just ban marriage and legalize prostitution. Probably cheaper...

[colorider]

Colorado tax on nicotine and tobacco is absurd and is also going up every year. People voted for it. Now they voted to tax ammo and firearms at a higher rate. CO added "fees" to so much shit instead of taxing it and needing a vote. This will be my last year in this state. Not only has CO become less and less affordable, the left has taken over and it is only going to get worse. Really worse. It is going to become full blown California and the other super liberal shithole states. Thank you Polis and the rest of the douchebags who ruined what was once a great state.

[zulu01]

So where's the best place in Cheyenne to buy ammo?

[Bitter Clinger]

Unconstitutional.

[bellavite1]

Any lawsuit in the works?

[Linkless]

Good thing I drive to AZ twice a year, one of the upcoming trips may become a one way.

[Oscar77]

Unconstitutional.

I'd love to agree with you but how?

[Eric P]

Good thing I drive to AZ twice a year, one of the upcoming trips may become a one way.

I go to Phoenix for NASCAR 2x per year.
Good thing I don't belong to Colorado and can freely purchase anything outside the borders of the state. I will never pay use tax on items purchased outside the state.

This state can't stop me from this, just as they can't stop anyone from buying little boxes with springs outside of the state. Hell, they can't even stop that inside the state.

When it says the MIL is exempt, since when does the Mil purchase ammo on the retail market? Individual soldiers don't buy ammo for work.

[BushMasterBoy]

In a pure interpretation of the US Constitution this could argued as an infringement of the second amendment. States rights is a counter argument. Makes me want to build a guard robot dog that will rip a mans head off. Elon?

[Drucker]

It?s ok to butcher a child in this state with state funding up to the date of delivery but you have to pay an additional 6.5% to enjoy a Constitutionally protected activity.


Think about that for a while.

When I first moved to Colorado you told me it was ok as Texicans tend to move back home. It was the Californians that stay.
Well the Wife and I decided today that it was time to get out of here. Done deal, OK is sounding like a good place.

[Aardvark]

y'all got pay raises?

[rfenster]

Not surprised. Last night watching the election coverage-as soon as the polls closed in Colorado and with zero percent reporting, Fox News called Colorado for Harris.

[FoxtArt]

How about we organize some ballot measures for next year.

A 35% tax on anything that evenly remotely resembled a vape, for a rescue fund of cute abandoned cats.

And 45% additional tax on weed for housing disadvantaged homeless individuals.

And a 25% tax on colored hair dye, skinny jeans, and anal lube....

I could go on.

[Oscar77]

In a pure interpretation of the US Constitution this could argued as an infringement of the second amendment. States rights is a counter argument. Makes me want to build a guard robot dog that will rip a mans head off. Elon?

Let me be clear........... I'd love for it to be thrown out.................. but there isn't a compelling reason......... one that will work in court...... as I see it.

The state gets money by imposing taxes on things.
In this case they are putting a particular tax on a group of items. .............. they also impose tariffs on imported goods, gasoline etc etc ........
The people voted for it, instead of say it being imposed on us.

Ok yes its a hindrance to the carrying out of the 2A ............ things are more expensive. But it doesn't stop or create such an obvious hurtle to overcome that a court will strike it down.

[BushMasterBoy]

So Colorado won a loser?

[bcolorado]

Well then a $50.00 voting excise tax should be coming soon right?

[Great-Kazoo]

Good thing I drive to AZ twice a year, one of the upcoming trips may become a one way.

The door's open to like minded gun folks. If it is a round trip "Honest Hamid's" house of ammo is open sunrise - sunset. Place orders now for early 2025 pickup, since a widow came by the range today asking if we knew anyone interested in reloading equipment. We do > Great Kazoo :0

[Great-Kazoo]

When I first moved to Colorado you told me it was ok as Texicans tend to move back home. It was the Californians that stay.
Well the Wife and I decided today that it was time to get out of here. Done deal, OK is sounding like a good place.

Join the crowd of CO expats who still stay active on the forum.

[rtr]

How does this tax apply or not to guns and ammo purchased from out of state and shipped into CO? (ie buying ammo from Brownells and shipping it to an individuals house or buying a firearm from out of state and having it shipped to a CO FFL).

[kidicarus13]

How does this tax apply or not to guns and ammo purchased from out of state and shipped into CO? (ie buying ammo from Brownells and shipping it to an individuals house or buying a firearm from out of state and having it shipped to a CO FFL).I don't have the answer but...

In general, a retailer is doing business in Colorado if the retailer sells, leases, or delivers tangible personal property or taxable services in Colorado or engages in any activity in Colorado in connection with the selling, leasing, or delivering of tangible personal property or taxable services for use, storage, distribution, or consumption in Colorado.

A retailer may be doing business in Colorado even if that retailer maintains no physical location in the state, but not if the retailer meets the small retailer exception described below. A retailer is doing business in Colorado if the retailer solicits business and receives orders from Colorado residents by any means whatsoever.

https://tax.colorado.gov/out-of-state-businesses

[glock74]

How about we organize some ballot measures for next year.

A 35% tax on anything that evenly remotely resembled a vape, for a rescue fund of cute abandoned cats.

And 45% additional tax on weed for housing disadvantaged homeless individuals.

And a 25% tax on colored hair dye, skinny jeans, and anal lube....

I could go on.

I like this idea.

[Starbuck]

In a pure interpretation of the US Constitution this could argued as an infringement of the second amendment. States rights is a counter argument. Makes me want to build a guard robot dog that will rip a mans head off. Elon?

So where is RMGO on this? They have filed lawsuits in CO on ghost guns and hi cap mag bans, so where are they now? They beg for donations and get them, so I am wondering why they are not speaking out on this matter, i.e. whether the 6.5% tax is may be unconstitutional, i.e. violates 2A.

[10x]

California has a similar law. Colo. Is the second state with this type of tax. I believe Cal tax has been ok'd by courts. The supreme court ruled long ago states and the nation have the right to raise revenue. The tax would be unconstitutional only if it was punitive/ excessive.

[BushMasterBoy]

I remember 20 years ago a dumpster at Fort Carson full of 5.56 brass. They sell it for scrap. They passed some kind of law that in no way could the public buy it. The dumpster was at least 30 feet long. A few million rounds. Melted down.

[O2HeN2]

In a pure interpretation of the US Constitution this could argued as an infringement of the second amendment. States rights is a counter argument.
The 14th keeps it from being a state's rights issue.

In some states newspapers aren't taxed because it has been found that taxation is a matter of degree of prohibition and is therefore unconstitutional. I agree wholeheartedly with that, and think the reasoning should apply to firearms as well.

That's the good news.

The bad news is we've tolerated the Pittman-Robertson Act taxes on firearms and ammunition for almost 90 years. I've voiced my opinion to my fellow gun owners many times that it would get us in trouble eventually only for the tax to be defended by the community as "being a good thing."

Yhea, I agree, what the tax is doing is a good thing. But the fact that there's a tax on ammunition and firearms in the first place (and that gun owners support it!) is a really, really bad thing.

Expect Pittman-Robertson to be Exhibit A when we attack this new tax in court.

O2

Wikipedia on the Pittman-Robertson Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittman%E2%80%93Robertson_Federal_Aid_in_Wildlife_ Restoration_Act)

[def90]

The 14th keeps it from being a state's rights issue.

In some states newspapers aren't taxed because it has been found that taxation is a matter of degree of prohibition and is therefore unconstitutional. I agree wholeheartedly with that, and think the reasoning should apply to firearms as well.

That's the good news.

The bad news is we've tolerated the Pittman-Robertson Act taxes on firearms and ammunition for almost 90 years. I've voiced my opinion to my fellow gun owners many times that it would get us in trouble eventually only for the tax to be defended by the community as "being a good thing."

Yhea, I agree, what the tax is doing is a good thing. But the fact that there's a tax on ammunition and firearms in the first place (and that gun owners support it!) is a really, really bad thing.

Expect Pittman-Robertson to be Exhibit A when we attack this new tax in court.

O2

Wikipedia on the Pittman-Robertson Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittman%E2%80%93Robertson_Federal_Aid_in_Wildlife_ Restoration_Act)

Although we end up paying for it in the end via being rolled in to the msrp of the firearm Pittman Robertson isn't a tax charged at the point of sale to the end consumer, it's a duty that is paid by the manufacturer at the time of manufacture.

[FoxtArt]

I disagree the tax is doing a good thing. As I understand a lot of attornys, lobbiests, and politicians, I always read in between the lines for every ballot measure.

There isn't one proposed that hasn't been carefully written with multiple passes to achieve some desired technical result, manipulation is rampant.

E.g. this one provides mental health services for youth, and/or veterans. I want you to think for a second what our state has been doing in the last 3-4 years with high-school attached mental health services, etc.... I'd hestitate a guess that not a whole lot is going to be going for veteran mental health. Quite a bit pumped into Gen A mental health services while at school without the knowledge of any parents.

Which then also frees up some general funds they were spending on this anyway, so they can do whatever they want with the now-free general funds amounts.

Classic ballot move. Everything for the kids, never is.

[arbol]

I told you all to vote no on everything.

-John

[O2HeN2]

Although we end up paying for it in the end via being rolled in to the msrp of the firearm Pittman Robertson isn't a tax charged at the point of sale to the end consumer, it's a duty that is paid by the manufacturer at the time of manufacture.

I don't care WHEN it's paid, it's is still a tax on a right, which is wrong.

O2

[scratchy]

I did vote against everything!

[eddiememphis]

https://coloradoceasefire.org/

In 2023, gunfire took the lives of 1,101 individuals.

Suicides comprised 67% of gun deaths.

Source: Colorado Department of Health and the Environment (CDPHE)

Colorado population 5.878 million. Gun deaths represent 0.0187 of the population.

Yet on 7 Denver this morning, a woman from Colorado Ceasefire had the balls to say this tax is not about punishing gun owners, it is about making up for lost federal revenue that used to fund these programs.

If she would be honest and state that she and her group is for the banishment of private gun ownership in America, I can respect that.

The lies are infuriating.

[Eric P]

What percentage of bullets sold in Colorado killed someone? Betting less than 1% or even less than 0.1%.

This tax will do nothing but steal more money thru taxation from law abiding citizens. This state is now truly lost.

[eddiememphis]

This state is now truly lost.

I disagree.

Had voters been made aware of the facts, this likely would not have passed.

Out of 3 million votes, it lost by 261,000. How many of the 1.6 million YES votes would have been changed had they known the truth about the actual numbers of gun violence? Or the real reason behind almost every gun legislation?

What about the "mental help services for veterans" that can only be accessed by those that are already institutionalized? Or that it creates a new office of government that does not have TABOR restrictions?

I saw zero ads against this prop. We need to do a better job of educating the masses when it comes to nonsense like this.

[BushMasterBoy]

I disagree.

Had voters been made aware of the facts, this likely would not have passed.

Out of 3 million votes, it lost by 261,000. How many of the 1.6 million YES votes would have been changed had they known the truth about the actual numbers of gun violence? Or the real reason behind almost every gun legislation?

What about the "mental help services for veterans" that can only be accessed by those that are already institutionalized? Or that it creates a new office of government that does not have TABOR restrictions?

I saw zero ads against this prop. We need to do a better job of educating the masses when it comes to nonsense like this.

The VA needs better medically trained doctors. It took me 4 years to get a lab test done and I still don't have the results. Fing worthless bunch. The local ER is only marginally better. I thought Arkansas was backwards...

[buffalobo]

I disagree.

Had voters been made aware of the facts, this likely would not have passed.

Out of 3 million votes, it lost by 261,000. How many of the 1.6 million YES votes would have been changed had they known the truth about the actual numbers of gun violence? Or the real reason behind almost every gun legislation?

What about the "mental help services for veterans" that can only be accessed by those that are already institutionalized? Or that it creates a new office of government that does not have TABOR restrictions?

I saw zero ads against this prop. We need to do a better job of educating the masses when it comes to nonsense like this.Takes time and money, lots of it.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[arbol]

I disagree.

Had voters been made aware of the facts, this likely would not have passed.

Out of 3 million votes, it lost by 261,000. How many of the 1.6 million YES votes would have been changed had they known the truth about the actual numbers of gun violence? Or the real reason behind almost every gun legislation?

What about the "mental help services for veterans" that can only be accessed by those that are already institutionalized? Or that it creates a new office of government that does not have TABOR restrictions?

I saw zero ads against this prop. We need to do a better job of educating the masses when it comes to nonsense like this.

It shouldn't be on the ballot.

Citizen initiatives, sound fine, until you realize they put the most obscene things on the ballot, for purely democratic voting.

Our representitive government was supposed to not let this happen.

But here, today, we HAVE to vote on the most obscene things.

This is a failure of Colorado's electorate, representatives, etc., that can only be corrected by a strong, local, leadership.

-John

[XJ]

It shouldn't be on the ballot.

Citizen initiatives, sound fine, until you realize they put the most obscene things on the ballot, for purely democratic voting.

Our representitive government was supposed to not let this happen.

But here, today, we HAVE to vote on the most obscene things.

This is a failure of Colorado's electorate, representatives, etc., that can only be corrected by a strong, local, leadership.

-John




I don't remember a ballot initiative that has ever been for ordinary people, liberty, or lower taxes. All seem to have been a one-way street. How about banning toll roads, introducing wolves to Boulder county, and permanent loss of position for any judge who agrees with hiding a tax as a fee to avoid TABOR.

[eddiememphis]

It shouldn't be on the ballot.
This is a failure of Colorado's electorate, representatives, etc., that can only be corrected by a strong, local, leadership.

Agreed, although I would add an informed and active population can correct this as well.

That is why saying "This state is now truly lost" is only true if we give up and let the left win.

You may not like that this prop was on the ballot but had you and I and a few others gone out and done something- spread the word, donate some funds- more people may have realized what a crock this was and it may not have passed.

To just give up is not going to slow the incessant creep of leftism.

[Oscar77]

Agreed, although I would add an informed and active population can correct this as well.

That is why saying "This state is now truly lost" is only true if we give up and let the left win.

You may not like that this prop was on the ballot but had you and I and a few others gone out and done something- spread the word, donate some funds- more people may have realized what a crock this was and it may not have passed.

To just give up is not going to slow the incessant creep of leftism.

I'll be honest............ I'm not sure whether it's worth continuing this conversation.......................

But here goes................. the reason a tax increase was on the Ballot was because of TABOR.
And TABOR is a good thing............. namely the Politicians cant vote on their own to increase taxes. They need us to approve it.
(Or as another pointed out, they have to hide it as a "fee" or something...........)
This cycle seemed different as liberal as this State is now, we/they usually dont vote for Tax increases.........
This year they did........... and no it wasn't because they weren't educated on the facts of the bill, they just didn't care..... they bought the "it's for the kids" approach.

[OneGuy67]

I'll be honest............ I'm not sure whether it's worth continuing this conversation.......................

But here goes................. the reason a tax increase was on the Ballot was because of TABOR.
And TABOR is a good thing............. namely the Politicians cant vote on their own to increase taxes. They need us to approve it.
(Or as another pointed out, they have to hide it as a "fee" or something...........)
This cycle seemed different as liberal as this State is now, we/they usually dont vote for Tax increases.........
This year they did........... and no it wasn't because they weren't educated on the facts of the bill, they just didn't care..... they bought the "it's for the kids" approach.

From talking to people who voted for it, it was considered a "sin" tax that doesn't affect them as they don't buy any items that would be affected. Same for the previous "sin" taxes voted on over the years to tax tobacco, mj, alcohol, etc., no matter where the funds were supposedly destined to go.

[crays]

Posted in wrong thread. Was focused on other issues.

My bad.

[CHA-LEE]

As with any "Sin Tax" ballot initiative the final vote is always going to sway to the side of the non-consumers of said "Sin". I knew this was going to pass from the get go simply based on the circumstances and general public apathy towards firearms and ammo.

The thing that does blow my mind is how the average voting adult continues to think that whatever new or additional tax revenue captured will be effectively administered for its intended purposes. The Government is REALLY GOOD at collecting and enforcing Taxes to generate seemingly endless income to waste in the most ineffective manners.

A few years from now once the Prop KK tax flows have had some time to simmer, it will be interesting to see what the state has actually done properly with this additional Tax income. I really hope it properly funds what it is supposed to do, but....... we have all seen how that goes once the Tax meat hooks are deeply entrenched in the Tax Payers wallets.

[CHA-LEE]

I also want to mention that the 2024 election cycle has pretty much solidified my decision to move out of state. Colorado has been successfully converted over to California style insanity. Its time to punch out and watch the state circle the drain from afar.

[kidicarus13]

Email received from a local gun shop of which I have no affiliation. I'm sure other members have received the same:

We are reaching out to inform you about a significant change in Colorado law that will affect the purchase of firearms and ammunition, estimated to take effect April 1, 2025.

Proposition KK - New Excise Tax Implementation:

Tax Rate: A 6.5% excise tax has been approved on all firearms, firearm parts, and ammunition sales. This tax applies to both in-store and online purchases made by Colorado residents, regardless of where the retailer is located.

Impact on Pricing:?As a result, you will see an increase in the cost of firearms and related products in Colorado.

Our Perspective:

While the stated goal of this tax is to fund various social services, we believe it does little to address the core issues leading to crime or gun-related incidents. Here at [gun shop], we are committed to not just selling firearms but also to supporting our community.

Real Solutions:?Efforts should be directed towards improving opportunities for lower socioeconomic families, supporting family stability, and addressing the root causes of crime, rather than imposing financial burdens on law-abiding citizens.

Economic Impact:?This tax will directly affect local businesses and? might deter out-of-state online retailers from selling to Colorado residents, limiting your purchasing options.

What This Means for You:

If you plan to purchase firearms or ammunition, consider making your purchases before the tax takes effect.

Be aware that while this tax aims to generate revenue, it does not target criminal activity directly, which means the burden falls on legal, responsible gun owners and collectors.

[Great-Kazoo]

Agreed, although I would add an informed and active population can correct this as well.

That is why saying "This state is now truly lost" is only true if we give up and let the left win.

You may not like that this prop was on the ballot but had you and I and a few others gone out and done something- spread the word, donate some funds- more people may have realized what a crock this was and it may not have passed.

To just give up is not going to slow the incessant creep of leftism.


Please. The state was lost over a decade ago. Unfortunately people failed then and still live in denial, over what CO has become. A newly relocated shooter and his wife who stopped by to check the range out. Said he was out working out of the country a few years, went back to Loveland, of all places last year, wondering what the he[[ happened in the short time he was gone.
I've been back 2x in the last 3 yrs, oct of this year being the latest. WTF, between the homeless, traffic and Another gun law, the state is truly fuked.

Keep believing there's hope, that ship has sailed.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

People across the street moved here from Texas. I literally said “Why in the hell would you do that?”

What does that bring the total tax on firearms too?

Any other laws like this in the US that we might be able to get a court case going on? Tax law services for indigent lawyer coverage?

I wonder if online sellers will just not sell to CO, or at least the smaller ones.

[O2HeN2]

People across the street moved here from Texas. I literally said “Why in the hell would you do that?”
They probably moved from Austin.

O2

[def90]

So, sell firearms at factory cost thus generating and paying less tax and then charge labor for "set up" costs to get back to the price it would have normally sold at. Gun shop makes the same $$, state gets less.

[arbol]

And you get a bill for tax evasion.

It's one thing to get creative with accounting, it's another thing to get creative with your accounting to avoid some new law or tax.

-John

[arbol]

Please. The state was lost over a decade ago. Unfortunately people failed then and still live in denial, over what CO has become. A newly relocated shooter and his wife who stopped by to check the range out. Said he was out working out of the country a few years, went back to Loveland, of all places last year, wondering what the he[[ happened in the short time he was gone.
I've been back 2x in the last 3 yrs, oct of this year being the latest. WTF, between the homeless, traffic and Another gun law, the state is truly fuked.

Keep believing there's hope, that ship has sailed.

While Colorado is bad, the main enemy to fear is the Federal Government.

The Federal Government has assumed control of everything, and the States (and the people) are nothing less than pawns.

If you look at our debt, Arizona does not get a pass.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

So Eddiememphis's fight in Colorado, is just as valid as your (giving up) in Arizona.

-John

[def90]

How would that ever be tax evasion? You can sell a product at whatever price you want and as long as you collect the sales tax for the price you sold it at there is nothing the state could do to you. By your reasoning every car that is sold with the dealer delivery/set up fee is tax evasion.

[arbol]

You are avoiding taxes...

Tax evasion.

-John

[arbol]

It doesn't really matter whether it is tax evasion, or not, but the government is going to make sure they get this extra money, and they will call it, tax evasion, if you try and circumvent them.

[arbol]

And you (Coloradans) voted for this.

-John

[Eric P]

You are avoiding taxes...

Tax evasion.

-John

Buying goods in sales tax free states, you would consider tax evasion?
Buying goods in state in a lower tax district. Tax evasion?

[crays]

You are avoiding taxes...

Tax evasion.

-John

Tax Avoidance and Tax Evasion are two completely different animals, and only one is deemed illegal...



And you (Coloradans) voted for this.

-John

And although you may have voted for it, I did not, so please do not broad brush me into that category. I find it offensive.

[Jer]

And you (Coloradans) voted for this.

-John

Nope. I sure didn't. You may have but I sure didn't, nor did my wife for that matter.

I'm reminded of a saying:
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Livery is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome." -Ben Franklin
Somewhere along this almost 250-year-path the wolves forgot what liberty actually means so there's no respect for the possible outcome of their actions to continue voting for a nice lamb lunch because.... majority.

Also, for those talking about ways to circumvent the new tax, just know that YOU are responsible for paying your tax on purchased items. Ultimately. Sure, most retail outlets and what not withhold that amount and then submit it on your behalf (on an absurd scale) but it is on your to pay them. Some may recall the days of yore when you could order on the world wide web and it was "tax free" before the laws were changed. The reality is that you as the buyer were supposed to put your tax amount aside for each purchase and then claim them when you filed your taxes to remit them to the .guv but nobody did. Technically lots (all?) of people committed tax evasion because I seriously doubt anyone here was actually doing that.

This tax law is no different. Sure, shops can (and will) collect the additional tax along with all of the other taxes and remit them on your behalf but if they don't it's on you to self-report that purchase. I think that the outrage just isn't there just because of the amount. Had they said it was a 50% tax there would be outrage. Make no mistake, this is only the beginning. They knew that a low amount would be approved by the general populace (even many with guns because it's a small amount and they can afford it... for the chirrens) and would be the toe they needed in the door. Once that door is cracked it's not closing and will only slowly open wide and wider.

In related news, anyone see the side-by-side map of California that shows how they voted by county as compared to 4 years ago? They ruined their state and are fleeing in droves to states like Colorado, driving our real estate values up. Eventually, the property values there will stabilize as Colorado's keeps rising as a result. The ones left behind seem to be a little more sane and less likely to emotional reactions to everything and are stabilizing their own laws, slowly but eventually. At this rate, by the time we're ready for retirement, we'll get all the money for our real estate investments here and can buy something reasonable there and not have to worry about snow ever again. Sure, the laws won't be perfect but probably better than here given the current trend of both states trending forward a decade or two. This was the long-term plan (read: pipe dream) decades ago so if it actually happens I'm going to be friggin Nostradamus. [LOL]

[BushMasterBoy]

Imagine a war where money was the ammunition. I have heard this before. It seems that the .gov slowly encroaches on our rights in a hope that we won't notice. I think it is just TPTB lining their pockets at our expense and making designs on our liberty. I hope I don't sound too much like a radical from the 1776 era.

[Aloha_Shooter]

So I guess April or May is when I need to think about clearing out ammo that I haven't used by making it available on the marketplace? I'm not a vendor, just a shooter who hasn't done as much shooting in the past 4 or 5 years as I'd thought ...

[Oscar77]

So I guess April or May is when I need to think about clearing out ammo that I haven't used by making it available on the marketplace? I'm not a vendor, just a shooter who hasn't done as much shooting in the past 4 or 5 years as I'd thought ...

Yes............. and ironically gun shows will get a boost.......... suddenly buying ammo there might make sense....... if you read the law, there are exemptions............and No, it's not tax evasion.