Bushmaster ACR almost here

[rhineoshott]

The site opens very soon.

http://www.bushmaster.com/acr/

http://www.bushmaster.com/acr/images/header.png

[Hoosier]

I got an email from them with a breakdown of four different models, and some additional info... Looks like fixed and folding stocks, A-2 style handguard vs. quadrail style, and 9.5, 14.5, and 18" barrels in addition to the 16.5.

H.

[sniper7]

Looks pretty sweet to me. I am trying to decide to save for one of these or possibly for a Larue OBR. I really want a .308 AR platform, but the ACR is pretty damn cool[Beer]

[al_g]

Has there been anything released about pricing? Also with the 14.5" is there going to be factory pinned muzzle device to get it over 16" and avoid SBR tax stamp?

[rhineoshott]

I got an email from them with a breakdown of four different models, and some additional info... Looks like fixed and folding stocks, A-2 style handguard vs. quadrail style, and 9.5, 14.5, and 18" barrels in addition to the 16.5.

H.

Sweet! I was hoping they would offer some options, especially with the handguard.

I'd like to know about the Magpul Massoud, the .308 version of the Masada. Magpul didn't sell the rights to that like they did with the Masada.

There is a 16.5" barrel they'll sell. You could probably buy a 14.5 and have the FH pinned by a shop.

[ryanek9freak]

WOW, another 5.56. Not impressed. If i were to spend that kind of money, I'd just get a Sig 556 pistol.

Now, make that bitch available in .308, with a 10.5" barrel and we'll talk....

[Ridge]

Apparently one website lists the price at $1500, but a Bushmaster rep suggested $2700+. Magpul said that was not their understanding, in response.

We'll have to wait, I guess. But the civilian release is supposed to be closer to March 1st now.

[coop68]

well there goes my savings great lol. i will be saving for one now.

its not just a .223 there is also 6.8mm upper check out this site form bushmaster!

http://www.bushmaster.com/Press-release-11810.asp

[Paradude54]

Yawn, another trendy, but spiffy piston AR-15. I fully expect to see it in the next installment of Terminator or Alien, if they make anymore of these movies.

$1500 or $2700, it's still over priced. I can build a more accurate AR-15 to the exact specs that I want for much less than this. I fail to be impressed.

[BadShot]

Paradude, take some more time to read what the ACR brings to the table, it isn't just another baby step in the 5.56 world. The ACR is what the SCAR should of and could have been. You of course can almost always build a more accurate rifle than what you'll find from a mass production weapon, I don't think this weapon is being advertised as a sub-moa distance shooter.

Yes I'm a fan of the platform, have been since the Masada introduction several years ago. I'll end up buying one and most likely trimmng the AR Herd to do so. Like many facets of life, intention and tool selection should occur in that order.

[BigBear]

... so confused now. What does the ACR bring to the table?

And I had my mind set on a Noveske N4 12 inch...

[Ridge]

Piston operated
Folding stock option
Ambidextrous controls
Its in Modern Warfare 2

[BigBear]

lol, Guns and video games don't mix for me. Although, I do like BF2...

Piston operated - Still haven't decided on pros and cons... seems like a stale arguement on either side.

Folding stock - Don't really care for folders, I like feeling solid gun in my shoulder.

Ambidextrous controls - ... Could be nice, but training teaches you to use whatever tool with whatever hand/arm.

And it's being made by Bushmaster? Don't they have some quality control issues?

[Ridge]

Dont matter, now...Bushmaster said today dealer price is $2100 for the basic model :(

[Marlin]

Its in Modern Warfare 2


Hell, that seals the deal right there....

[Irving]

I'm going to wait for the GSG version to come out.

[BigBear]

Stuat, what does "GSG" stand for? Thxs.

[Irving]

German Sports Guns. I was referring to the GSG-5 which is the .22lr copy of the HK MP5.

[BigBear]

Ah. Thank you Sir.

[Paradude54]

piston operated-I don't see any advantage to this. I've heard all of the arguements and I'll stick with gas impingment. Not because it's neccesarily better, but because it's much more popular and much easier to get parts for. Besides, if it was a bad system then why would AMU and the top shooters in high power be using it?

ambidextrious controls-I have an ambi safety on my ARs, the mag release isn't, but that's just not a big deal to me

folding stock-that might be nice, but not at this price, no way, no how.

$2100 for an AR is way too much. And you still need to add optics. My Grendel costs just a little more than that to build and it has a 24" fluted barrel from Sabre Defense and a $1000 scope on it!

Sorry, I'm just not sold. If someone wants to buy it be my guest. I won't fault them for doing so, it's there money. All I'm saying is that I'll take a pass.

[rhineoshott]

I'm still digging it, I've been watching this guy from almost the very begining. I like it through and through. Is it twice as good as an AR? No, but a brand new BMW isn't twice as good as a Corolla but still costs double. There's an expontntial curve here as with many products, price and features/quality.

[BadShot]

Well I'm not going to try to convince anyone that this is the right rifle for you. There are functions and features that are extremely attractive from my point of view such as it being piston driven vs. DI, but I'm lazy and hate cleaning a chamber every 1000 rnds :) This gun is designed around the piston, not adapted. Changes the game considerably.

Quick barrel changes - Bonus inherent design function that is actually functional, the real question is what will be the associated costs.
Caliber Changes are fairly quick - see above
Folding Collapsible Stock as an option - Serious Bonus.. we're talking about a MagPul stock, not cheapo Tapco crap
Ambidextrous Controls/Swappable charging handle - Serious Bonus IMHO

That's just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head that
A. Make this not an AR and
B. Make this a weapon I will own.

Price Point.. very disappointing, but that is "dealer" cost so we can guess that it will be +/- a few hundred of that price.

And hey, if you guys don't rush out and buy them that's just all the more for me!

[Ridge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0Pu-rvFjs

[GoldFinger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0Pu-rvFjs

That's freeking hilarious!! [ROFL3] [ROFL2] [LOL] [ROFL1]

[USMC88-93]

I would have seriously considered it at a realistic (to me) price point. With the current quoted prices floating around the net I will continue to think of it as non existent vaporware. In the same sense that I think of .50BMG Barrett they are beyond my financial reach so in effect they do not exist.

I can not know he behind the scenes cost to bring to market that Bushmaster has incurred, but their proposed MSRP is beyond ridiculous. I would not consider paying anything more than $1700 perhaps even hold my nose and go to $1850 for the most tricked out version they could produce.

I do not fault Bushmaster or Magpul in fact I love the concept of the rifle produced just not the execution.

[SU405]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0Pu-rvFjs

[ROFL1]

[Daniel_187]

its funny too. over on AR15.com Magpul is not responding to any threads about the ACR. there was a thread about a guy splitting his pmag and magpul was there in 4 posts. they are probably to embarrassed to say "whoops we fucked up". just my 2 cents

[USMC88-93]

just my 2 cents

They are in the middle of Shot Show and their typical responses RE the ACR are methodical and thought out (they no longer immediately engage). I am sure they are under contractual obligation to not tip the apple cart if they were so inclined to do so.

[Daniel_187]

They are in the middle of Shot Show and their typical responses RE the ACR are methodical and thought out (they no longer immediately engage). I am sure they are under contractual obligation to not tip the apple cart if they were so inclined to do so.


Ok Got it. And heres one question. So I saw theres a Remmy ACR and a bushmaster ACR are they the same? I just saw it in some of Kelly's pics from Day 2. Whats the deal?

[sniper7]

LaRue came out the the OBR lite (hopefully that isn't the final name)
5.56 looks like the OBR in .308
$1995 price.
ACR is cool, but I guess I would want to handle them and compare them side by side to see what I would go with.

[Sixgun]

I'm not sure if they are the same gun but remmy owns bushy. Remmy also owns dpms. (if anyone cares).

[USMC88-93]

Ok Got it. And heres one question. So I saw theres a Remmy ACR and a bushmaster ACR are they the same? I just saw it in some of Kelly's pics from Day 2. Whats the deal?

Remington will be Military sales, Bushmaster will be Civilian.

[Not_A_Llama]

I'm not sure if they are the same gun but remmy owns bushy. Remmy also owns dpms. (if anyone cares).

It's actually Cerberus that owns them all, under "Freedom Group".

[DocMedic]

piston operated-I don't see any advantage to this. I've heard all of the arguements and I'll stick with gas impingment. Not because it's neccesarily better, but because it's much more popular and much easier to get parts for. Besides, if it was a bad system then why would AMU and the top shooters in high power be using it?

ambidextrious controls-I have an ambi safety on my ARs, the mag release isn't, but that's just not a big deal to me

folding stock-that might be nice, but not at this price, no way, no how.

$2100 for an AR is way too much. And you still need to add optics. My Grendel costs just a little more than that to build and it has a 24" fluted barrel from Sabre Defense and a $1000 scope on it!

Sorry, I'm just not sold. If someone wants to buy it be my guest. I won't fault them for doing so, it's there money. All I'm saying is that I'll take a pass.

Heres the thing, this rifle was built with combat in mind, not for your everyday Mall Ninja Plinker. But of course Bush/Rem/Magpul is not gonna ignore the Civ market either. I can tell you after carrying Full battle load and my M4 + M9 for 12 hours a day Iraq, I would had killed for a folding stock weapon when doing in house raids, getting in and out of Vehicles, cuffing / uncuffing baddies. Sure you can build a competition shooting AR for the same or less price, but thats not the point of the ACR.

[Hoosier]

Has anyone tried these Robinson XCR rifles? They seem to be designed as piston-driven folding-stock quick-change barrel AR-style rifles for about $1500. Seems to have every feature of the ACR except the charging handle is on the reciever instead of moved forward to the hand guard.

Upshot is you can (it appears) use standard AR grips and even traditional AR stocks that will fold when using their adaptor.

http://www.robarm.com/resources/products/xcrlstd/index.aspx

[ChunkyMonkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0Pu-rvFjs

[Irving]

Just when you'd think I'd get sick of that Meme. That video had me cracking up.

[tmckay2]

Heres the thing, this rifle was built with combat in mind, not for your everyday Mall Ninja Plinker. But of course Bush/Rem/Magpul is not gonna ignore the Civ market either. I can tell you after carrying Full battle load and my M4 + M9 for 12 hours a day Iraq, I would had killed for a folding stock weapon when doing in house raids, getting in and out of Vehicles, cuffing / uncuffing baddies. Sure you can build a competition shooting AR for the same or less price, but thats not the point of the ACR.

while i completely understand this, i still don't see how its worth near what they are charging. in fact, many of these components should be able to be made cheaper, especially the lower receiver. it may be nice to have some of the features, but many of these features you could actually change yourself for far cheaper. i think they took a great idea that was going to be affordable, and then completely took a dump on it. now its way higher priced than thought with far less conveniences that originally planned.

like another poster said, if someone wants to buy one more power to them. if i had the funds id buy one of every kind of gun every made. but there is no way id pay that kinda money for a few perks that probably will never end up being that useful for me nor do they warrant (in my opinion) THAT high of a price.

[MichiganMilitia]

I think they took a great idea that was going to be affordable, and then completely took a dump on it. now its way higher priced than thought with far less conveniences that originally planned.

like another poster said, if someone wants to buy one more power to them. if i had the funds id buy one of every kind of [computer] ever made. but there is no way id pay that kinda money for a few perks that probably will never end up being that useful for me nor do they warrant (in my opinion) THAT high of a price.

You mean like the Apple iPad?

[ROFL1]

[/hijack]

[sniper7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0Pu-rvFjs


[LOL]

[battle_sight_zero]

I was looking forward to the ACR at the $1400-$1700 price point. But $2100 seems to me to pricey. Sure I have some rifles that are much more expensive but they are in other calibers and have other purposes. My most pricey 5.56 purchases have been the Sig 556 and a Mark 12. In fact I bought the SIG because I got sick of waiting for the ACR. I winced when I bought them but they are fine addtions to the collection. But in the end both put togther will most likely cost the same as one ACR. I would have bought a SCAR if it were at $1800 over the SIG, but at the time they were being had for $3500. I suspect the ACR will be really pricey because of the demand as is the SCAR. Hopefully a few of the site members will get a ACR and give us some feedback on how they shoot. In a non serious observation [ROFL2]the ACR rocks over the SCAR in Call of Duty.

[tmckay2]

You mean like the Apple iPad?

[ROFL1]

[/hijack]

ha the ipad. i actually thought the ipad was a joke when it came out