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I didn't see anyone on here talking about this. There has been a lot of media debating this, specifically the firearm part of it that was used. As usual the typical Anti groups was calling for the complete ban of Whisper Pickles etc.
The local police guessed what he used (B&T Station 6) but COMPLETELY wrong now that they caught him, I find this interesting.
Weapon recovered on CEO murder suspect appears to be 'ghost' gun made on 3-D printer: police
Officers found a black 3D-printed pistol and a black silencer in Mangione's backpack, court documents say. The pistol had a metal slide and a plastic handle with a metal threaded barrel.
The pistol had one loaded Glock magazine with six nine-millimeter full metal jacket rounds, documents said. Police said the silencer was also 3D printed.
No matter what laws are on the books, Killer nerds will always find a way I guess.................. a 3D printed silencer, Interesting?
All 3D printed. No wonder the gun jammed after every shot.
Little Dutch
12-09-2024, 20:55
> 3D printed silencer
They are surprisingly robust, considering the material issues.
> police guessed Station 6
Then they are retarded. It was very clearly not a Welrod style pistol in the unedited videos.
Based on that misinformation only, it’s now safe to assume everything they release on this case is misinformation at best and probably a straight up lie.
... a 3D printed silencer, Interesting?
The bulk of the new commercial silencers are now 3D printed. It let's them do some really cool things with the internal geometries. Probably impossible to clean, but they are going for max quite with low back pressure.
As for printing one at home in plastic, you would probably have a small boom in front of your face, due to the internal pressures.
Funny thing is the guy apparently has no record so he could have just bought a gun.
The bulk of the new commercial silencers are now 3D printed. It let's them do some really cool things with the internal geometries. Probably impossible to clean, but they are going for max quite with low back pressure.
As for printing one at home in plastic, you would probably have a small boom in front of your face, due to the internal pressures.
Yeah the newer DEAD AIR Lazarus and Mojave 9 all 3D printed, but I am assuming the 3D printer + the material DEAD AIR is having them made by is professional grade and designed to do it.
Guess I am not up on the current home 3D printer market, makes me wonder what KINDA of material he used and why it DIDNT blow up in his face on the first shot. [Beer]
Funny thing is the guy apparently has no record so he could have just bought a gun.
Right? He appears to be smart but not very streetwise.
BushMasterBoy
12-09-2024, 23:00
Carbon fiber is fairly strong. I guess you can print awesome baffles to fit the load. When your last day of freedom is spent at a McDonalds? The smell of sweat & fries? SARC~
www.carbonresearchusa.com/
eddiememphis
12-10-2024, 10:34
This guy has the left spinning in circles. They have no idea how to label him. Drives them bananas when they cannot apply a label to someone and equate every action with those ideals.
One one hand, he gallantly slayed the evil head of an evil empire bent on nothing but the death of every American. A handsome, probably gay, wealthy genius, he tossed aside all that to follow the noble path of exacting retribution for the millions slaughtered at the hands of evil health insurance corporations.
His grandfather was an evil capitalist, engaged in the most evil capitalism possible, real estate development. Gramps also owned a radio station that transmitted right wing hate on a daily basis. His parents own long term care facilities, filthy internment compounds that are acting in concert with the evil insurance companies.
On the other hand, he was rich and went to private school graduating with honors. He attended an Ivy League college got a degree in computer science. He went to work for a tech company in California. His reading list included Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson. He used a 3D printed ghost gun with a silencer. Obviously a right wing MAGA fascist.
The right's reaction is much simpler and honest.
He shot another man in the back. Fuck him. Lock him up and throw away the key.
> 3D printed silencer
They are surprisingly robust, considering the material issues.
> police guessed Station 6
Then they are retarded. It was very clearly not a Welrod style pistol in the unedited videos.
Based on that misinformation only, it?s now safe to assume everything they release on this case is misinformation at best and probably a straight up lie.
And here are all the guesses from people here:
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/194236-Welrod
Some people weren't even close...................
I didn't follow this closely.........
Where did the Police, who were actually a part of the investigation, identify the pistol involved?
NOT the various "police experts" or "media sources" who are talking heads on the various tv programs.................the actual police involved?
As in a news briefing where the actual police identify the gun. (Prior of course to his arrest).
Did I miss that?
Maybe I did.
Regardless............ Yes, I'm always suspicious of the media on something like this.
They are determined to be the first in getting the info out and that means it's usually inaccurate...........if you want to call that "misinformation" ...... Sure go ahead.
I call it either incompetence or not caring......... which either way means like most Americans I have VERY little faith in the media.
BushMasterBoy
12-10-2024, 11:34
I thought it was a Glock or a clone. I figured that was the most common firearm. I'm sure now that camera surveillance will only increase monumentally. The shooter had wealth and privilege and threw it all away. He will spend the rest of his life in Sing Sing. He could have contributed greatly to reducing suffering.
eddiememphis
12-10-2024, 14:07
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/know-ghost-guns-weapon-allegedly-tied-ceo-shooting-rcna183512
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/know-ghost-guns-weapon-allegedly-tied-ceo-shooting-rcna183512
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Strange looking Welrod… ��
.455_Hunter
12-10-2024, 20:30
Interesting potential motive background...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/freak-accident-turned-luigi-mangione-180522081.html
Mid-20's with a fucked-up back so bad he supposedly couldn't participate in horizontal exercises.
There's a lotta things about this case that don't add up.
Wealthy genius, apparently a Centrist politically, whose family gained their wealth from health care, goes through a convoluted process of acquiring a ghost Glock with suppressor, fairly good quality counterfeit ID, faraday bag, burner phone... travels via bus from out of state, stays at a hostel for several days, blasts the guy with said gun, takes an ebike back to the bus station, and leaves the state. Very smart, likely to get away with it too.
But he had a laptop with him that accessed the internet via wifi... and all that traffic is monitored and apparently they were able to track it from the hostel to that McDonalds (they claim a McDonalds employee called police who responded immediately, which I'm skeptical of).
When he was caught, they claim he still had the suppressed pistol with him, as well as the tainted NJ ID, a 3 page manifesto, thousands of dollars in cash and foreign currency (which he claimed was planted). They also claim his backpack was recovered from Central Park stuffed with Monopoly money, which is kinda weird.
A smart person, which he was, would've ditched the gun and ID long before getting on a bus. TSA VIPER teams randomly search bus passengers at terminals. And why carry an incriminating manifesto on your way home? Those things are usually left at the scene or mailed to the media.
He went from doing everything right to doing everything wrong. Maybe he recently became schizophrenic, his age is about when acute symptoms tend to manifest.
Scanker19
12-10-2024, 20:49
Being intelligent isn’t the same as being smart.
Being intelligent isn’t the same as being smart.
My thoughts exactly.............. I worked with plenty of MIT type people, but in the real world dumber than Shite.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/know-ghost-guns-weapon-allegedly-tied-ceo-shooting-rcna183512
That article was "HORRIBLE" they reference Kits 90% of the article and completely avoided except for one sentence that it was 3D printed which is a whole different thing in how to obtain and make. I guess what you expect from NBC news.
"They are testing the gun, to determine if 3D Printed.............." What by it finally exploding?
No way 12 jurors agree to convict.
I would have tended to agree a few days ago, but in hindsight, the two years+ the case would run is a lot of time for character assassination to run; and our media is operated by the type of people that has a vested interest in making sure there is no encouragement to knock off the shittest of our CEO's, because they are either married to them, or directly related to them.
I'm now sure by the time he makes it to trial, they'll have him painted as a psychotic, drug dealing child abuser.
I would have tended to agree a few days ago, but in hindsight, the two years+ the case would run is a lot of time for character assassination to run; and our media is operated by the type of people that has a vested interest in making sure there is no encouragement to knock off the shittest of our CEO's, because they are either married to them, or directly related to them.
I'm now sure by the time he makes it to trial, they'll have him painted as a psychotic, drug dealing child abuser.
I am not understanding what you are trying with " our media is operated by the type of people that has a vested interest in making sure there is no encouragement to knock off the shittest of our CEO's"
Are you implying that people are "encouraged to knock off the shittiest of CEOs" ?
The double negative seems to indicate that is what you are posting?
Carbon fiber is fairly strong. I guess you can print awesome baffles to fit the load. When your last day of freedom is spent at a McDonalds? The smell of sweat & fries? SARC~
www.carbonresearchusa.com/
Yes, but that is not the type of "carbon fiber" that is 3D printed.
Most of the printed "carbon fiber" is carbon reinforced PLA spooled filament. That is much different than what is in your link.
Interesting potential motive background...
Mid-20's with a fucked-up back so bad he supposedly couldn't participate in horizontal exercises.
. He will spend the rest of his life in Sing Sing.
Maybe his is roomy in Sing Sing won't be so bothered by the bad back and his roomy will help him with his horizontal exercises? Roomy will do all the work....
Guess I am not up on the current home 3D printer market, makes me wonder what KINDA of material he used and why it DIDNT blow up in his face on the first shot. [Beer]
Might be why it jammed.
Some of the carbon reinforced filaments (i.e PETG) may be able to make something that works for a couple of rounds.
Heat would be the worst enemy very quickly.
BushMasterBoy
12-11-2024, 10:16
Yes, but that is not the type of "carbon fiber" that is 3D printed.
Most of the printed "carbon fiber" is carbon reinforced PLA spooled filament. That is much different than what is in your link.
I was talking about the baffles. The link was to show the body which was made by a manufacturer. I was just showing that with some parts and an assist from a 3D printer you could make a suppressor. You could probably make a better suppressor out of an old Maglite. Do you remember Mitch Werbell and his company SIONICS?
I am not understanding what you are trying with " our media is operated by the type of people that has a vested interest in making sure there is no encouragement to knock off the shittest of our CEO's"
Are you implying that people are "encouraged to knock off the shittiest of CEOs" ?
The double negative seems to indicate that is what you are posting?
Do I have to really walk people through this?
Hypothetically, if the shooter is continued to be treated as a "Robin Hood" and ultimately is not convicted because 1/12 jurors refuse to find him guilty...
Our press is owned by CEOs that are not that dissimilar from the one that was just murdered. How do you think the press is going to treat this shooter in the two+ years running up to a Jury trial?
I am saying they will take extra effort to make sure his public image is sufficiently contaminated to guarantee a guilty conviction. Imagine a highly publicized murder like this, with continued treatment as Robin Hood, the killer going free... what is that telling the CEOs, as well as the next group of wanna-be "vigilante"?
They will NOT let that happen, end of story. I expect any unsubstantiated rumor about this guy to be heavily published as fact.
https://www.addictivetips.com/app/uploads/2019/12/01_Top-15-most-influential-CEOs.jpg
BushMasterBoy
12-11-2024, 13:00
Fact: The average American reads on the 7th grade school level.
My take: 1 out of 4 Americans are clinically mentally ill. Stick to groups of three or less.
The frame is 3d printed. The slide, barrel and slide rails are metal and generally generic Glock parts. They work just as well as a polymer80. The frame can be low grade PLA. I have made a few and have run over 100 rounds on a frame before it starts to crack and jams the slide. There is no catastrophic failure endangering the shooter.
The silencer can be 100% printed or a printed tube to house washers or other metal parts. They can last about a magazine before it starts to deform from the heat. There are plans and files openly available on github, thingiverse or other 3d printing file website.
This tech is so entry level and available.
So is microcenter now going to be required to get an FFL and run background checks when 3d printers are sold?
So is microcenter now going to be required to get an FFL and run background checks when 3d printers are sold?
There are political elements that are demanding just that. Thankfully, I don't see it on the horizon tomorrow, but eventually they'll succeed in either requiring background checks or "ai enabled gun part detection" or full on big-brother integration.
I would not be surprised at all to see them otherwise affected in other ways, such as how laser printers have to secretly print #'s in tiny font on everything (originally required under the guise of helping to identify counterfeiters). Fortunately, a FDM isn't capable of really doing that yet. But a nicer resin printer might be capable of a covert micro-fingerprint of some kind even today - although China probably isn't integrating that tech yet for the US Gov, anyway.
BushMasterBoy
12-11-2024, 15:40
I guess they could embed a microchip into the plastic, like a microchip (RFID) in a pet. Add that to gun detection AI of the future along with explosive sniffers, IR cameras etc.
I guess they could embed a microchip into the plastic, like a microchip (RFID) in a pet. Add that to gun detection AI of the future along with explosive sniffers, IR cameras etc.
That isn't even necessary. A good resin printer would be able to print voids of a very, very tiny QR code, for instance, in every print over a certain size, that links to the serial of the specific printer and the mfg. is required to track to the distribution, so on and so forth. There's a lot of ways they can fairly covertly Big Brother this, and they'll certain succeed, at some point. Just not today.
That isn't even necessary. A good resin printer would be able to print voids of a very, very tiny QR code, for instance, in every print over a certain size, that links to the serial of the specific printer and the mfg. is required to track to the distribution, so on and so forth. There's a lot of ways they can fairly covertly Big Brother this, and they'll certain succeed, at some point. Just not today.
Except these are open source and editing the slicer to remove the nonsense is protected by the 1st...
We need all gun laws to be challenged.
When were background checks and government permission start? 1980s? Clearly not based in the text, history and tradition...
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