California Fires

[flogger]

Wildfires in California! We hear it year after year but this one hit hard. How could they run out of water at hydrants? Well, they voted to divert that money for water retention reservoirs to homeless shelters, Green Energy and slavery reparations.

I can't believe the press meeting with Biden and Newsom. Joking around while families are losing everything they own. California citizens sure know how to pick politicians. NOT!

Still worth dropping a prayer or donation their way.

[Ah Pook]

Don’t forget the DEI initiative.

Scary stuff.

[Sawin]

Between hurricanes, fires, hail and car theft (Yes CO is the worst state for Car theft!), the costs of insurance climbs for all, regardless of political leanings...I honestly believe there is a time when building a home or business in certain areas of our country will become "uninsurable"... when that happens, things will get very bad, very quickly for those areas.

[Doc45]

Saw an online article saying State Farm had already cancelled homeowners policies prior to the fires. I’m by no means a fan of CA but that’s beyond sad for those impacted.

I spent a lot of time in San Diego over a number of years, briefly thought about moving there but the screwed up politicians/politics kept me away. Haven’t been back in almost 17 years.

[BladesNBarrels]

Interviews on Good Morning America reported that insurance had been cancelled for some of the homeowners in the Palisade area.
During the Service for President Carter, it was mentioned that he started FEMA while president.
I don't think his vision for FEMA is what exists now.
I did some work in Santa Monica and would patronize Gladstones 4 Fish and Moonshadows restaurants, which are both great.
Moonshadows burned.
After experiences at the Marshall Fire in Colorado, wildfires sweeping through Lahaina, Hawaii, and this in the L.A. area, what will be the planning for future events?

[BushMasterBoy]

All the leaders are gathered around some dead idiot. They DGAF.

[eddiememphis]

The insurance thing is more complicated than just cancelling policies.

After a round of fires in '18, insurers had to pay out $23 billion, which was twice the collected premiums. When the state would not approve rate increases, they decided not to insure certain areas.

California responded by saying the state would insure homes with a state plan, offering up to $3 million in coverage for residential properties and $20 million on commercial. They have issued over 450,000 of the policies.

450k times 3m is 1.35t. Guess where is is headed?

That's right- insolvency! But don't worry. Insurers doing business in the state are required to bail out the fund.

So they will be forced to pay for losses to buildings they did not insure because they were not allowed to charge enough to cover the losses but will have to pay for them anyway, using money collected on other policies issued in the state.

Insurers will have no choice to either raise premiums on existing policies (which the state insurance commissioner will not allow) or cease operations totally in the state.

[XJ]

Are the C130s from Peterson out there? I thought the fancy equipment in the back had some installation time requirements, but that is a fuzzy memory from the unreliable Gazette.

[BushMasterBoy]

The C-130's primary mission is to protect the Space Force bases in the state of Colorado. So the Space Based Infared System at Buckley, the Global Positioning System Control at Schriever, NORAD, and other military assets are the priority.
The government takes care of the government first. It is a separate society. Same way the military has its own set of laws, the UCMJ.
This is why I cut down weeds on property that is not even mine. You need fire breaks. If the people with the big swimming pools in California had high volume water pumps, they could have probably saved their homes. If the houses had steel roofs rather than asphalt shingles, it is a game changer.

Building Codes are flawed. I keep a few water pumps handy and my neighbor has a huge swimming pool. One pump will suck a 5 gallon bucket dry in 2 seconds.

Think about it!

[Scanker19]

Don’t forget the DEI initiative.

Scary stuff.

You mean the retard carpet munchers?

Have fun parsing out which part of that sentence is more offensive.

[BushMasterBoy]

Like!

[hollohas]

After a round of fires in '18, insurers had to pay out $23 billion, which was twice the collected premiums. When the state would not approve rate increases, they decided not to insure certain areas.


Twice the amount of collected premiums in what time period? And just for that area or nationwide?

[eddiememphis]

Twice the amount of collected premiums in what time period? And just for that area or nationwide?

Same time period- 2017 and 2018. From what I can find, it looks like that is the California premiums.

In 2017, insurers nationwide wrote $552 billion in net premiums with a $23 billion net underwriting loss. That improved in 2018 to $613B net and only $424m in payouts, plus other underwriting expenses for a paltry $100 million net underwriting loss.

[flogger]

Newsom should be kicked out of office, riding a log like in "Brother where art thou". Maybe now the people won't forget his lack of leadership and clueless recognition of priorities.

If he gets elected again by the people of California, it will be a disgrace.

[BushMasterBoy]

How can Malibu burn when it is right next to the ocean? No lack of water there. My understanding was the reservoirs ran dry. And flogger is right, we just have a lack of leadership.

[theGinsue]

Has anyone else seen the satellite video images of 3 of these fires starting simultaneously? Rather curious events.



Newsom should be kicked out of office, riding a log like in "Brother where art thou". Maybe now the people won't forget his lack of leadership and clueless recognition of priorities.

If he gets elected again by the people of California, it will be a disgrace.


Unfortunately, bad voting choices reflect poor decision making ability in general. I don't anticipate, even in light of current events, that this will change. The folks who continue voting these idiots into office can't seem to see that their choice for office is directly responsible for all of the negative consequences they have to deal with. Forrest Gump said it best: "Stupid is as stupid does".

I put some of the blame for these bad decisions on the elected officials - and the rest on the constituency. People WANT to elect those whose priorities are out of line because it typically means someone (hopefully themselves) will be getting something they haven't earned for free. Most people fail to understand that the money isn't endless and that it has to come from somewhere. Spending for one thing takes money from something else and that "something else" is almost always a necessary expense (like Public Safety...fire, EMS, law enforcement). Buy hey, so long as we can feel good about one particular issue why does it matter that we didn't have funds to keep my house from burning down; right?!




I'm scheduled to travel VERY close to the burned/effected areas next month. With over 30,000 displaced individuals (due to evacuations or home loss), my team had to get reservations for our hotels immediately to ensure we had a place to stay while out there. If I get a chance I'll try to check out the affected areas (maybe even get some pics to share if I can).

Any way you look at it, this is a tragic situation that could have been avoided and there are now thousands of families/individuals whose lives are forever impacted by these fires. I hope and pray that they can quickly find a way to recover.

[buffalobo]

Are the C130s from Peterson out there? I thought the fancy equipment in the back had some installation time requirements, but that is a fuzzy memory from the unreliable Gazette.I don't know if they are flying these fires(I think their typical "season" for the Forest Service is April to Sept or Nov) but the crews that run the MAFFS systems can be loaded and ready to go pretty damn fast.

Maybe our resident MAFFS expert will check in.

Sent from my SM-A037U1 using Tapatalk

[theGinsue]

I can't say for certain, but I believe the MAFFS folks are currently deployed "someplace else" and aren't available to assist.

[.455_Hunter]

Ignorant questions here...

Are the hydrants on the same water system as the houses and businesses?

In times of dire emergency, would it make sense to pump water into the hydrant system from the ocean? Would the pumps required to make any difference be so large and impractical for being useless 99.999% of the time? What about a levee type pumping station from New Orleans?

[theGinsue]

The salt content of sea water quickly damages equipment.

CA has been dealing with water shortages for some time, yet there is an abundance of sea water available.

While desalination plants are expensive to build and maintain, had CA invested in desalination plants years ago (as they should have), they could have more drinkable/usable water than they could ever use - even for huge wildfire firefighting efforts.

[FoxtArt]

Additionally, the salt permanently affects vegetation for a rather long period of time. Sounds like a minor thing, but barren landscapes = landslides. Why use ocean water when every rich person has a pool. If they haven't ran the pools dry, then the problem isn't lack of water per se, it's lack of infrastructure / training to access all potential sources of (fresh) water.

[flogger]

I hear Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey Circus is going to move its headquarters from Sarasota Fla. to L.A. California because of the abundance of Clowns!

Gavin Newsom could be 'Gabby' the clown.

[flogger]

Some of the displaced people are calling themselves “Climate Refugees”.

So, you know where this is going!

[BushMasterBoy]

The military put out the fires? They can't even feed the soldiers properly! So where is the money going?


https://krdo.com/news/2025/01/09/fort-carson-seeking-to-improve-after-struggles-with-fluctuating-food-quality-quantity/

[BladesNBarrels]

According to this morning's CBS news report
The Marshall Fire had the same problem with the water supply and the water processing plant bypassed the processing and allowed unprocessed water to be used in the fire hydrant system.
That helped the fire fighting, but the clean-up of the system took a long time.
Water usage had to be limited and water boiled before domestic use.
The plant manager shared the information with his counterparts in California, but had not been informed if they tried the same type of emergency relief.

[Clint45]

Some of the displaced people are calling themselves ?Climate Refugees?.

So, you know where this is going!

Others may choose to call them something else. "Zombie hordes" has a nice ring to it.

[BushMasterBoy]

I used to live in Cocoa Beach. I had a place 200 yards from the ocean. We used to have some hurricanes. I would evacuate everytime. I would come back and my car that I parked in a multi-story carpark was covered in salt. The hurricane winds would blow ocean water all over everything. Approx. a 1/8 inch to a 1/4 inch of salt crystals covered the car. I would get a bucket of tap water and a sponge and clean the windows of salt. If the salt kills all the plants, why does the grass and trees seem fine?
Cocoa Beach city should be a barren wasteland. They still have plenty of foliage. So does Cape Canaveral! Merritt Island is mostly subtropical jungle. Plenty of plants and wildlife.

All the talk of saltwater destroying the land is bullshit. When it rains, the water washes away the salt. And it rains alot in Florida. Same with Hawaii and tropical cyclones.

Admittedly corrosion of metal is greater when exposed to seawater. It is a real bitch to back flush all the residue salt out of the pipes. It is still uses less resources than having to rebuild a whole city!

[XJ]

I know a thing or two about water & wastewater plants.


It is very much not a thing to have a simple direct connection in place which bypasses the treatment process. To make that happen would require some highly unusual advanced planning or some emergency barnyard engineering. Flushing the distribution system afterwards is a hassle too as mentioned above.

Also the selection of equipment (pumps, pipe size, etc) is specific to the design. You just can't economically justify a system 5x larger than your water rights, and everything in the west starts and ends with the water rights. For water quality reasons you can't have a huge storage tank of treated water compared to the ordinary usage.

There are of course many things that can be done, but I don't want to sidetrack the discussion.

[flogger]

Listening to Newsom (I don't like the prick, if you haven't noticed) news interviews, he would be better off just to shut the F up!

[BushMasterBoy]

20 million dollar homes burnt to the ground, 30 yards to the ocean! No pumps, no hoses, just let them burn! RUFKM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wJMZR9huyA

[BushMasterBoy]

I rarely post two consecutive posts. This news broadcast is saying looting is occurring. IT IS SAD!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7YE_6m2k6c

[Great-Kazoo]

Heard Adam Carolla on the radio today. He said something like this might (a big might) pus those affected in CA to vote R come state election time. Calling the fires a wake up call to those who have supported politicians who have failed them. Considering they have voted D for decades, he "believes" the lack of fire response could be a turning point for the state.

[BPTactical]

The causative factors go back a few decades than current history.
Liberals and their “environmental” policies
Poor fire mitigation practices.
Poor open space management
Poor forestry management
Poor building practices
Poor disaster planning
Poor hiring practices (it goes back a bunch further than current “DEI”)

[Jer]

There's some people on this forum that give Republicans a real bad name. Is it the proximity to the devastation or just a hatred for Democrats that makes people think this sort of thing is acceptable? Why must everything be politicized? If you insist on making this about politics, maybe you should realize that there's LOTS of Republicans affected by this too... Not that it should matter. More importantly, they're all human beings with families & goals. This isn't debating election results... it's human lives being destroyed. Acting as if they somehow deserved it is pretty gross. Even for this bunch. Perhaps some here need to reference the thread about the recent and more local Superior fire to regain some perspective and compassion for fellow humans in the middle of ongoing devastation. Threads like this are the type of senseless & blind hatred of others that provides credence to those who call the Republican party the party of hate.

[eddiememphis]

There's some people on this forum that give Republicans a real bad name. Is it the proximity to the devastation or just a hatred for Democrats that makes people think this sort of thing is acceptable? Why must everything be politicized? If you insist on making this about politics, maybe you should realize that there's LOTS of Republicans affected by this too... Not that it should matter. More importantly, they're all human beings with families & goals. This isn't debating election results... it's human lives being destroyed. Acting as if they somehow deserved it is pretty gross. Even for this bunch. Perhaps some here need to reference the thread about the recent and more local Superior fire to regain some perspective and compassion for fellow humans in the middle of ongoing devastation. Threads like this are the type of senseless & blind hatred of others that provides credence to those who call the Republican party the party of hate.

There are very real consequences for bad policy. This is one of them.

Feeling bad for people affected doesn't change that.



Heard Adam Carolla on the radio today. He said something like this might (a big might) pus those affected in CA to vote R come state election time. Calling the fires a wake up call to those who have supported politicians who have failed them. Considering they have voted D for decades, he "believes" the lack of fire response could be a turning point for the state.

I doubt it.

The Democrats will promise more government will protect the citizens better. The reason for this catastrophe is not enough money spent on more and larger government. They can protect you from everything, given enough resources.

And voters will fall for it like they have throughout time.

[Hummer]

According to this morning's CBS news report
The Marshall Fire had the same problem with the water supply and the water processing plant bypassed the processing and allowed unprocessed water to be used in the fire hydrant system.
That helped the fire fighting, but the clean-up of the system took a long time.
Water usage had to be limited and water boiled before domestic use.
The plant manager shared the information with his counterparts in California, but had not been informed if they tried the same type of emergency relief.

The county, state and media politicos declared Marshall Fire to be fueled due to global warming when in fact it was the failure of government to plan and execute fire mitigation design into the areas affected. The failure of government is equally as responsible in California.

[theGinsue]

There's some people on this forum that give Republicans a real bad name. Is it the proximity to the devastation or just a hatred for Democrats that makes people think this sort of thing is acceptable? Why must everything be politicized? If you insist on making this about politics, maybe you should realize that there's LOTS of Republicans affected by this too... Not that it should matter. More importantly, they're all human beings with families & goals. This isn't debating election results... it's human lives being destroyed. Acting as if they somehow deserved it is pretty gross. Even for this bunch. Perhaps some here need to reference the thread about the recent and more local Superior fire to regain some perspective and compassion for fellow humans in the middle of ongoing devastation. Threads like this are the type of senseless & blind hatred of others that provides credence to those who call the Republican party the party of hate.



There are very real consequences for bad policy. This is one of them.

Feeling bad for people affected doesn't change that.


The Democrats will promise more government will protect the citizens better. The reason for this catastrophe is not enough money spent on more and larger government. They can protect you from everything, given enough resources.

And voters will fall for it like they have throughout time.



The county, state and media politicos declared Marshall Fire to be fueled due to global warming when in fact it was the failure of government to plan and execute fire mitigation design into the areas affected. The failure of government is equally as responsible in California.



I feel very bad for all of those adversely affected by these fires, but the responsibility for the severity of these fires is 100% political.


Instead of prioritizing efforts to reduce the risks associated with fire or to spend funds to mitigate the inevitable effects of fires, the politicians reduced the funds for fire mitigation & fire fighting resources. They decided that the money was better spent on their feel good political agendas*(see below for just SOME of the wasteful spending [with links] - and because of this, the people are paying dearly. Many of these people are responsible for electing the the decision makers into office, some are not.

Then, you've got the liberal law enforcement/prosecution policies that exacerbate the problem. Arson is suspected (due to evidence collected) in at least 1 of these devastating fires. Yesterday citizens captured a homeless man with a blow torch that at least 1 person witnessed trying to start more fires. (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14270193/homeless-man-blowtorch-la-kenneth-fire-cops-arson.html) In fact, this homeless man was in close proximity of where at least 1 of these devastating fires started. Police took him into custody and he was released within hours. What's the likelihood this individual will just stop his attempts to light more fires? I postulate that such a presumption has a slim probability. The continued liberal catch & release or simply turning a blind eye to criminal behavior put in place by the liberal politicians in/around LA & CA bears a lot of responsibility for what the citizens are having to deal with.

As Eddiememphis said, "There are very real consequences for bad policy. This is one of them.".

So yes, while this situation is tragic and I feel horribly for those effected, this is 100% political, like it or not.


*
In the 2023-2024 fiscal year, Los Angeles spent $599 million of its $1.3 billion homelessness budget.

Dec 11, 2024 - LA wasted 218 million on unused beds for homeless. (https://nbc16.com/news/nation-world/los-angeles-wasted-218-million-on-unused-beds-for-homeless-audit-finds-california-waste-audited-los-angeles-city-controller-kenneth-mejia-doge-government-efficiency-gavin-newsom)

For the 2023-2024 fiscal year, (https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/los-angeles-mayor-slashed-fire-budget-prioritized-homeless)Los Angeles (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/los-angeles) budgeted $837 million for the Los Angeles Fire Department (LAFD), which was roughly 65% the size of the homeless budget of $1.3 billion. (https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/los-angeles-mayor-slashed-fire-budget-prioritized-homeless)

- This is just LA and not even the money spent by the state of CA. Has this corrected or even visibly improved the homeless situation in Los Angeles? No.

Los Angeles Fire (only) spent $1.7 MILLION from their latest budget on DEI programs instead of Fire mitigation & control efforts. (https://radaronline.com/p/woke-la-fire-department-dei-wildfires-budget-california/) - How does DEI protect the citizens from the effects of fire? Answer: It doesn't.

Los Angeles Fire Hydrants offline & Reservoir Empty


(https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/los-angeles-water-chief-knew-about-empty-reservoir-broken-hydrants-months-before-fires-mayor-karen-bass-department-water-power-janisse-quinones-reservoir-pacific-palisades-report)
Denying the root cause of the severity of these fires won't bring back peoples homes any more than calling out the bad policies. But, when people are ready to wake up and see what their decisions have brought them to, perhaps they can do better with appropriate policies and political choices moving forward.

[Hummer]

There's some people on this forum that give Republicans a real bad name. Is it the proximity to the devastation or just a hatred for Democrats that makes people think this sort of thing is acceptable? Why must everything be politicized? If you insist on making this about politics, maybe you should realize that there's LOTS of Republicans affected by this too... Not that it should matter. More importantly, they're all human beings with families & goals. This isn't debating election results... it's human lives being destroyed. Acting as if they somehow deserved it is pretty gross. Even for this bunch. Perhaps some here need to reference the thread about the recent and more local Superior fire to regain some perspective and compassion for fellow humans in the middle of ongoing devastation. Threads like this are the type of senseless & blind hatred of others that provides credence to those who call the Republican party the party of hate.


I agree with the sentiment, but it's important to realize that the Democrats anti business/anti capitalist policies come from a marxist construct that heralds central control and the denial of human rights to life, liberty, and property.

Still, as a lifelong Republican grievously disgusted by the failures of GOP politicians, I think if CA and CO were magically governed by 100% Republican governors and legislators, I think little would change regarding fire mitigation that affects all citizens.

[BushMasterBoy]

In Colorado, according to state law, you can use lethal force if you reasonably believe someone is attempting to commit first-degree arson on your property, even if you are not defending yourself or another person; this is the only situation where defending property with deadly force is allowed in Colorado.

[BPTactical]

98051

[Hummer]

The best critique I've read of the CA wildfire disaster comes from the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal dated Jan 9. Note that the extent and cost of the fires has greatly expanded since the article was written.


California's Wildfire Insurance Catastrophe

The state has refused to let insurers do proper pricing for risk. Homeowners and taxpayers will pay for the mistake.

By The Editorial Board
Jan. 9, 2025 5:36 pm ET

The politicians are blaming each other for the losses in the horrific Los Angeles wildfires, but the truth is that mother nature can be merciless. The stories about water shortages are conflicting and need more time to sort out. But it?s not too soon to note that California?s politicians have fueled a five-alarm insurance-market crisis that will hurt homeowners and taxpayers across the state once the fires have died out.

Hurricane-force wind gusts are fanning fires across Los Angeles County, especially the Pacific Palisades and Altadena, where 2,000 structures had burned by Thursday evening, and counting. At least five people have died, and tens of thousands of buildings are at risk. California?s Southland has rarely experienced such strong winds, and the past two wet winters have produced loads of combustible vegetation that has became tinder after recent dry months.

Such conditions have created a perfect storm that could become the most expensive wildfire disaster in U.S. history. The human tragedy is paramount. But the insurance losses will be in the tens of billions of dollars or more. The damage could topple the state?s undercapitalized insurer of last resort, FAIR. Private carriers are almost certain to increase premiums, cancel policies or withdraw from California.

Insurers had already scrapped hundreds of thousands of policies and limited coverage in wildfire-prone areas. Democrats blame climate change, which has become an all-purpose excuse for any disaster-relief failure. But the real insurance problem is that state regulators have barred insurers from charging premiums that fully reflect risks and costs.

California is the only state that heretofore hasn?t allowed insurers to incorporate the cost of reinsurance in premiums. Until this year, it had also prohibited insurers from adjusting premiums by using the standard industry practice of catastrophe modeling to predict a property?s future risk. Insurers could only assess premiums based on historical losses.

As a result, insurers are paying out $1.09 in expenses and claims for every $1 they collect in premiums. This is financially unsustainable, which is why many have pared coverage in areas at high fire risk with expensive homes. State Farm dropped nearly 70% of policy holders in one Pacific Palisades neighborhood where the average home price is $3.5 million.

FAIR now covers about half a million homeowners who can?t obtain private coverage. Its exposure has ballooned to $458 billion as of last September from $153 billion four years earlier, with $5.9 billion in exposure in the Palisades. Yet it has only about $700 million cash on hand to pay claims.

That?s because state regulators have required FAIR to cover higher-priced homes while rejecting its proposals for rate increases to account for rising risk and liabilities, just as it has for private insurers. As home prices and construction costs increase, so do liabilities. Building an ?affordable? housing unit in California can cost $1 million.

FAIR President Victoria Roach testified to the state Assembly last year about the insurer?s precarious finances. ?As those numbers climb, our financial stability becomes more in question,? she said. ?We are one event away from a large assessment. There?s no other way to say it, because we don?t have the money on hand, and we have a lot of exposure out there.?

If FAIR fails, private insurers?meaning their policy holders?are supposed to cover its claims based on their share of the market. But insurance premiums for many homeowners are set to rise 20% to 40% this year and even more in the future, and that was before the current fires. To keep carriers from fleeing the market, California insurance commissioner Ricardo Lara last month said at long last that they could use catastrophe modeling and price in their reinsurance costs.

Such reforms were needed, but he also imposed costly regulations that may still cause some insurers to retreat, especially after the Los Angeles fires. Don?t be surprised if Gov. Gavin Newsom asks Washington to help pay for multimillion-dollar homes that have gone up in smoke.

Mr. Newsom can blame climate change all he wants, but that doesn?t absolve the state from the duty to adapt to its effects if he really believes this. Unlike the fires, California?s insurance catastrophe really is the fault of the Democrats who run Sacramento.

[Ah Pook]

I hear Phoenix real estate agents are getting lots of calls from Cali.

James Woods has also been vocal about the incompetence.

[eddiememphis]

Colorado has the same plan. Should be in effect this summer.

https://doi.colorado.gov/insurance-products/homeowners/renters-insurance/fair-access-to-insurance-requirements-fair-plan

[sampson]

Is calling balls and strikes being political?

[BushMasterBoy]

The arsonist has been released. No charges were filed. You have to watch the video. Unbelievable...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/woodland-hills-residents-stop-man-212033293.html

[Hummer]

The arsonist has been released. No charges were filed. You have to watch the video. Unbelievable...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/woodland-hills-residents-stop-man-212033293.html


Like child sex predators, convicted arsonists should be summarily hanged. JMO

[kidicarus13]

"...the man was charged with a probation violation but is not suspected to have caused any fires."

Everyone trying to blame the [emoji91] on someone; suspected arsonists, State of California, Newsome, Bass, etc

[Hummer]

Colorado has the same plan. Should be in effect this summer.

https://doi.colorado.gov/insurance-products/homeowners/renters-insurance/fair-access-to-insurance-requirements-fair-plan



That is seriously scary, eddiememphis. To some varying extent, we all live in fire prone areas. Some years ago our insurance was cancelled by Allstate due to the proximity of neighboring trees, and "brush", which was low growing sheep fescue and flowers. An alternative through Lloyds of London was very expensive for years. Eventually, we were able to get into State Farm Mutual which immediately saved us ~6K/year. The agent said that we can't be cancelled. We're holding our breath.

[Hummer]

"...the man was charged with a probation violation but is not suspected to have caused any fires."

Everyone trying to blame the [emoji91] on someone; suspected arsonists, State of California, Newsome, Bass, etc


If a police officer didn't actually witness someone lighting Christmas trees and garbage on fire despite a witness account, did it really happen? Serious question.

[BushMasterBoy]

Next someone on here, is going to sell me that a Chinese balloon started these fires. Seriously? A guy riding by on a bicycle with a mapp gas torch could not have done it? And he is already on probation for another crime? This reminds me of Linda Stanley prosecuting the death of Suzanne Morphew. Same kind of prosecutorial misconduct. We will be much safer when our convicted felon president takes office. Don't you agree?










Per Ardua ad Astra

[flogger]

Somewhere on-line was a story about Iran offering humanitarian aid, through their Red-Cross, to the California Wildfire victims.

Not sure how legit it is, but they might think it's a nice time to pass the peace pipe before Trump is in office.

Come to think of it, we don't get a bunch of aid from other countries when natural disasters hit the USA, or do we?

[BushMasterBoy]

Zelensky offered a 150 firefighters from Ukraine.

[eddiememphis]

https://deadline.com/2025/01/biden-la-wildfires-1236253216/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-raises-federal-funding-initial-los-angeles-fire/story?id=117516448

President Joe Biden on Thursday announced the federal government would cover 100% of costs for the initial disaster response to the Los Angeles wildfires.

Meeting with federal officials at the White House, Biden said the funds would go toward debris removal, temporary shelters, salaries for first responders and more for 180 days.

Biden said he emphasized to California officials they should "spare no expense to do what they need to do."

That's nice of him. People in North Carolina get $750 when a hurricane washes away their homes but California is a solidly blue state so, here you go boys, this one's on me!

[FoxtArt]

Salaries for first responders for 180 days? Shit, how long are they planning on this fire lasting?

I don't doubt "first responder" will stretch to include all sorts of "crisis counselors", "grief counselors" and other Karens with an Epson to print out a certificate, who will vacation in San Diego for several months while collecting six months of overpaid salary, just like the EIDL and PP programs.

[BPTactical]

You think the fires are bad?
Wait until the rains hit.

[eddiememphis]

Salaries for first responders for 180 days? Shit, how long are they planning on this fire lasting?

There are still COVID funds being handed out so who knows?

[BushMasterBoy]

Once the fires are out, they will all move to Colorado, to prepare for the invasion of Texas. Then they can legitimately bitch about the terrorist wetbacks. Then they will build near Elons Starship base and complain about the noise. Finally when it is done, Trump will deport them to the penal colony on Mars. Ain't rule of law great again?

[flogger]

You think the fires are bad?
Wait until the rains hit.

Bingo! Do ya think anyone is considering that, or are they/we blinded by the firefighting at hand?

[Sawin]

It’ll take a few months before the worst mud slides start, no? Like maybe April showers, bringing May flowers? It’s not gonna be a pretty spring for them, that’s for sure :(

[eddiememphis]

I guess lumber prices are about to skyrocket as well.

Time to buy some Weyerhaeuser stock. Building 12,000 homes is gonna use a lot of wood.

[FoxtArt]

I guess lumber prices are about to skyrocket as well.

Time to buy some Weyerhaeuser stock. Building 12,000 homes is gonna use a lot of wood.

Don't base investments on that. Example: Total building permits in Colorado in 2022 was 181,000. I checked the data. https://data.colorado.gov/Building-and-Facilities/Building-Permit-Counts-in-Colorado/v4as-sthd/about_data

Building is slowing down across the country - a lot - 12,000 homes is a drop in the bucket against the volume's eb and flow.

[Madusa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf2M-BR1eUU

Helicopter fire assault. Some of you might enjoy.