Rocky Mountain Gun Owners????????

[Colorado Luckydog]

I joined RMGO last year for whatever reason. I just received a letter asking me to join again. Money is pretty tight right now but if they really fight for our rights, the way they say they do, then it would be worth it. Do any of you guys have personal experience with them? I'm talking about hands on experience, actually seeing them trying to protect our rights? Any feelings either pro are con??

[gnihcraes]

I just recently re-up my membership... instead of NRA for the time being. They seem to fight for our rights locally really well. Great emails from them on occasion, website with CCW info and business that are anti-ccw. I think it's pretty good money spent...

but we'll see if any others chime in... i'm pro for now.

[sniper7]

yes, give them your money. they are the local fighters. you want to support them.

I just got my renewal as well. I thought I just paid but will need to check...if not my dues will be on the card tomorrow.[Beer]

[Colorado Luckydog]

Thanks for the input. I would still like to hear from someone with personal experience. Maybe someone has worked for them before. I'm pretty sure I'm going to join again anyway but if they are doing that good then this thread may help them out.

[gnihcraes]

I just checked the mail... and got a 2nd renewal notice. I have an email receipt where I paid on line back in november and I even sent them the electronic receipt... hmm. Time to make a phone call probably...

[275RLTW]

I contacted their executive director about a training event last year and his first question was if LE, specifically federal agencies, would be present. I replied yes as we always engourage LE to continue training. His concern was the presence of LE officers and federal agencies as "they are the ones he's trying to get rid of. They are the bad guys."
I have a definite problem with that....If you can not support the guys (and gals) that are just doing their jobs and protecting you and your family while you sleep, then I WILL NOT support you. Anyone who perceives LE or federal agencies as a "bad guy" does nothing but hurt the industry and cause more dissention between LE & civilians. Remember, cops are CCW holders when they clock out at then end of the day. If you don't like some of the policies they are required to enforce, then take it up with those who created it.
I am, nor will I, ever be a member of RMGO as long as this is their stance on those who keep my neighborhood safe when I am gone. You can make up your own mind about them.

[RMGOdirector]

Law Enforcement: When Front Range Training contacted me about helping turn folks out to hear Lt. Col. Grossman, whoever called me (could have been the poster below, ColoCCW) started off by eagerly telling me how this event would be attended by all of the federal law enforcement in the area.

When I asked if that included BATFE, his response was "of course". He had clearly lived his entire life unaware that there are some conflicting interests here.

Put simply: I want to legislatively disband the BATFE. I don't want to buy them new furniture for their offices, nor curry their favor. I believe their regs (and very existence) is unconstitutional. And though I will follow the laws on the books, I would like to change them.

The Front Range Training fellow who contacted me (and ColoCCW, below) don't have to go to the State Capitol to hear gun control being supported by the FOP, the PPA, DPD, and the Colo. Association of Chiefs of Police on a daily basis.

This is my 17th year as a gun lobbyist, and I do not remember one single gun control proposal in that time that was not supported by a majority of the above listed agencies.

Does that mean all law enforcement are "bad guys"? Nope. It doesn't mean even a majority are. ColoCCW should be careful not to quote me unless he has it spot-on, which he doesn't.

Renewals are sent out starting in December, in a rapid series, to get as many to renew as quickly as possible so we can spend our time on the legislative session (which started on Jan. 13th). Sometimes a person will send in a renewal between the first and second letter, and the two cross in the mail.

Other times, someone who joined RMGO in June will get the renewal at the end of that year/beginning of the next, and pro-rate their renewal (sending in, for instance, half, since they paid from June 09/May 10.

The simple fact is that we don't remove you from the list, or stop sending you our newsletter, unless requested. Though we need money to operate, we're much more interested in activism.

As for what RMGO does, I suggest this of anyone who wants to know how deeply RMGO is involved in the political side of things (we're not a shooting club, and don't pretend to be, as the political side is what we do):

Call up a few of the most pro-gun legislators in Colorado: Brophy, Harvey, Renfroe, Kopp, Schultheis, Scheffel, Cory Gardner, BJ Nikkel, etc. Ask him/her what they think of us.

In many circumstances, that legislator was a member of RMGO long before running for office. In some cases, we recruited him/her to run for office, or helped them significantly in their race.

Some of RMGO's closest friends and advisors say we don't brag enough about what we do, and therefore many people don't know, especially those (like many on this list, I suspect) who are busy living their lives, paying their bills, working their jobs. So at the risk of sounding self-promoting, we think we're the only statewide gun group worth a hill of beans.

We take a long-term approach, for a very simple reason: the gun control issue isn't going away anytime soon.

But, anyone is welcome to call up and ask questions. Assuming I'm not in a meeting, you'll talk directly to me, not some telemarketer or a voicemail tree.

970-482-7646 or 888-874-3006.

[Irving]

I'd like to hear what you have to say in this thread Dudley, if you have the time.

http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19489

[sniper7]

Thanks for the input Dudley, glad to hear it from the man himself.

What RMGO does is exceptional for not only us in CO, but across the country. That is why i support. I support 0 gun control other than by my own hand.

Dudley, what is your outtake on TN and MT with their state right to sell firearms within state and no having any federal jurisdiction. I can guess, but want to see if you have other info/opinions on the outlook as to whether or not this could become a reality.

My personal opinion is it is more lawful than the bullshit marijuana that CO and CA and other states allow. there isn't a stamp on a weed plant that says "made in CO", but there is on a gun. So if those guns are only sold in CO (like the feds want to believe MJ is), I don't see any problem with that.

ETA: and honestly I don't care what they do with MJ, it is just more .gov control. much like prohibition, gun control etc. etc. Something else for the .gov to get their hands in the pockets of its tax paying citizens.

[SA Friday]

Thanks for the input Dudley, glad to hear it from the man himself.

What RMGO does is exceptional for not only us in CO, but across the country. That is why i support. I support 0 gun control other than by my own hand.

Dudley, what is your outtake on TN and MT with their state right to sell firearms within state and no having any federal jurisdiction. I can guess, but want to see if you have other info/opinions on the outlook as to whether or not this could become a reality.

My personal opinion is it is more lawful than the bullshit marijuana that CO and CA and other states allow. there isn't a stamp on a weed plant that says "made in CO", but there is on a gun. So if those guns are only sold in CO (like the feds want to believe MJ is), I don't see any problem with that.

ETA: and honestly I don't care what they do with MJ, it is just more .gov control. much like prohibition, gun control etc. etc. Something else for the .gov to get their hands in the pockets of its tax paying citizens.
Why in gods name would you want to wrap these two topics together in any way?

[ryanek9freak]

Why in gods name would you want to wrap these two topics together in any way?
Cause nothing goes together better than weed and guns!!

[TFOGGER]

Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives---


It should be a convenience store, not a government agency....

[Colorado Luckydog]

I think ol' Dudley is speaking from his heart. As tight as money is, he may only get 25 bucks from right now. However, I hope I get to meet him and see if there is more I can do. I work a ton of hours but I would like to see how I could help out. I would like to participate in something (hands on) to make me feel better about myself and like I have done something to help the fight.

Here's to you guys at RMGO! I hope you guys are doing all that you say. I know you are doing more than I can.
[Beer]

[Elhuero]

so is the RMGO membership yearly or monthly?

[SU405]

Cause nothing goes together better than weed and guns!!


[ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1]

[Colorado Luckydog]

so is the RMGO membership yearly or monthly?
Once a year.

[pickenup]

Been a member of RMGO for years.
Have corresponded with Dudley a few times.
He is a straight shooter, who is fighting our LOCAL battles, with NO COMPROMISING.

[sniper7]

Why in gods name would you want to wrap these two topics together in any way?


Just because it applies since the Feds can still crack down on MJ people under federal law but state law allows it.

That is what MY and TN are trying to do on a gun level. The feds can crack down on them for selling guns in violation of federal law but it is okay as far as state law is concerned.
Since Obama told the feds to take it easy on the citizens of states that have legalized MJ, i only find it fair he should tell the ATF to do the same thing...of course he won't because he isn't fair, like minded or pro-gun.

that is why i brought it up since the law directly violates federal law but is legal as far as state law goes. if state laws apply, then TN and MT should be able to produce firearms and silencers without federal intervention, if state law doesn't apply the pot smokers need to be cracked down on at the state and federal level just like gun owners.



Don't worry, I am not involved with MJ in any way shape or form. Never tried it and never will.

[RCCrawler]

Law Enforcement: When Front Range Training contacted me about helping turn folks out to hear Lt. Col. Grossman, whoever called me (could have been the poster below, ColoCCW) started off by eagerly telling me how this event would be attended by all of the federal law enforcement in the area.

When I asked if that included BATFE, his response was "of course". He had clearly lived his entire life unaware that there are some conflicting interests here.

Put simply: I want to legislatively disband the BATFE. I don't want to buy them new furniture for their offices, nor curry their favor. I believe their regs (and very existence) is unconstitutional. And though I will follow the laws on the books, I would like to change them.

The Front Range Training fellow who contacted me (and ColoCCW, below) don't have to go to the State Capitol to hear gun control being supported by the FOP, the PPA, DPD, and the Colo. Association of Chiefs of Police on a daily basis.

This is my 17th year as a gun lobbyist, and I do not remember one single gun control proposal in that time that was not supported by a majority of the above listed agencies.

Does that mean all law enforcement are "bad guys"? Nope. It doesn't mean even a majority are. ColoCCW should be careful not to quote me unless he has it spot-on, which he doesn't.

Renewals are sent out starting in December, in a rapid series, to get as many to renew as quickly as possible so we can spend our time on the legislative session (which started on Jan. 13th). Sometimes a person will send in a renewal between the first and second letter, and the two cross in the mail.

Other times, someone who joined RMGO in June will get the renewal at the end of that year/beginning of the next, and pro-rate their renewal (sending in, for instance, half, since they paid from June 09/May 10.

The simple fact is that we don't remove you from the list, or stop sending you our newsletter, unless requested. Though we need money to operate, we're much more interested in activism.

As for what RMGO does, I suggest this of anyone who wants to know how deeply RMGO is involved in the political side of things (we're not a shooting club, and don't pretend to be, as the political side is what we do):

Call up a few of the most pro-gun legislators in Colorado: Brophy, Harvey, Renfroe, Kopp, Schultheis, Scheffel, Cory Gardner, BJ Nikkel, etc. Ask him/her what they think of us.

In many circumstances, that legislator was a member of RMGO long before running for office. In some cases, we recruited him/her to run for office, or helped them significantly in their race.

Some of RMGO's closest friends and advisors say we don't brag enough about what we do, and therefore many people don't know, especially those (like many on this list, I suspect) who are busy living their lives, paying their bills, working their jobs. So at the risk of sounding self-promoting, we think we're the only statewide gun group worth a hill of beans.

We take a long-term approach, for a very simple reason: the gun control issue isn't going away anytime soon.

But, anyone is welcome to call up and ask questions. Assuming I'm not in a meeting, you'll talk directly to me, not some telemarketer or a voicemail tree.

970-482-7646 or 888-874-3006.




I just joined, thank you for what you do.

[DD977GM2]

I wish I could afford to be a member of RMGO....4 kids and a 70% pay cut last year has hit hard.

Thanks Dudley and all your efforts.

[RMGOdirector]

re: the Firearms Freedom Acts in Montana and Tennesse -

We've run this measure, but as an amendment to a bigger bill. Brophy tried it for us last year (2009), but it failed in committee.

Currently, the state of New Hampshire (through the hard work of our friends, the NHFirearms Coalition) is debating this issue, and has the right approach: they are putting a criminal penalty on any federal agent caught enforcing gun controls that are counter to the NH Firearms Freedom Act.

Not sure if it will pass, but I believe this gives the Act some teeth.

Won't talk about Medical Marijuana. Not my issue, and frankly, I've got lots of libertarian leanings, but not THAT libertarian.

[RMGOdirector]

For those of you who are members of RMGO and want to do more, we could use some help from someone who REALLY knows phpbb (and is familiar with www.cologunmarket.com).

Just e-mail me directly.

[sniper7]

re: the Firearms Freedom Acts in Montana and Tennesse -

We've run this measure, but as an amendment to a bigger bill. Brophy tried it for us last year (2009), but it failed in committee.

Currently, the state of New Hampshire (through the hard work of our friends, the NHFirearms Coalition) is debating this issue, and has the right approach: they are putting a criminal penalty on any federal agent caught enforcing gun controls that are counter to the NH Firearms Freedom Act.

Not sure if it will pass, but I believe this gives the Act some teeth.

Won't talk about Medical Marijuana. Not my issue, and frankly, I've got lots of libertarian leanings, but not THAT libertarian.

Wow, that is quite a stand making a criminal penalty for federal agents caught enforcing gun controls. I would love to see that pass and the rest of the states follow suit. I think the people are ready for less .gov control, obviously they are fed up in MA which is a huge sign. Hopefully politicians start to catch the drift and start listening to what the people really want.