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.455_Hunter
05-04-2025, 13:24
Seems reasonable and responsible to me, but of course, the libs and progressives are losing their damn minds once again...
https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/colorado-truckers-react-to-trumps-executive-order-mandating-english-proficiency-for-drivers#google_vignette
The order, signed by Trump on Monday, says that in order to operate a commercial vehicle, a driver must "read and speak the English language sufficiently to converse with the general public, to understand highway traffic signs and signals in the English language, to respond to official inquiries, and to make entries on reports and records."
kidicarus13
05-04-2025, 14:33
https://youtu.be/w09unJbZHg8?si=15iwfqli65EOh_dk
But by his senting hearing in 2022, he was speaking English. Go figure.
Scanker19
05-04-2025, 15:16
They didn’t have to before? I mean all of our signs are in English. I live in a. Truck stop town and that explains a lot of how they drive.
Aloha_Shooter
05-04-2025, 15:56
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/why-trump-wants-truckers-to-speak-english/
a peculiar memorandum by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), issued in the waning days of the Obama administration, that waived the enforcement of English proficiency standards for those who hold a Commercial Driver’s License (CDL). Prior to this memorandum, any commercial driver who was found by police or enforcement officials to be unable to communicate in English would be placed “Out of Service,” since their inability to speak English was deemed an imminent safety hazard to motorists.
eddiememphis
05-05-2025, 07:34
But the same guy doesn't need an ID to vote.
But the same guy doesn't need an ID to vote.
AND the guy doesn't need an ID to vote.
These are the things that President Trump is correcting.
-John
Between low wages, high fees for tolls and permits, expensive fuel, difficulty finding overnight parking, ELD logs with mandatory breaks and resets (that don't count if you're being loaded/unloaded), defective DEF systems causing constant breakdowns, speed limiters set at 57, and the industry being FLOODED with non English speakers who violate all DOT and traffic laws, most American truckers are walking away. Companies are literally finding people in homeless shelters and sending them to CDL school. Nearly every commercial trucker on the road now is foreign. The Sikhs were always cool, but the Russians and Habibis hate everyone on the road.
eddiememphis
05-06-2025, 16:35
Just in time for obsolescence.
https://abc7ny.com/post/first-driverless-semis-have-started-running-regular-longhaul-routes/16302928/
Driverless trucks are officially running their first regular long-haul routes, making roundtrips between Dallas and Houston.
On Thursday, autonomous trucking firm Aurora announced it launched commercial service in Texas under its first customers, Uber Freight and Hirschbach Motor Lines, which delivers time- and temperature-sensitive freight. Both companies conducted test runs with Aurora, including safety drivers to monitor the self-driving technology dubbed "Aurora Driver."
Aurora's new commercial service will no longer have safety drivers.
.455_Hunter
05-06-2025, 17:04
Just in time for obsolescence.
https://abc7ny.com/post/first-driverless-semis-have-started-running-regular-longhaul-routes/16302928/
Driverless trucks are officially running their first regular long-haul routes, making roundtrips between Dallas and Houston.
On Thursday, autonomous trucking firm Aurora announced it launched commercial service in Texas under its first customers, Uber Freight and Hirschbach Motor Lines, which delivers time- and temperature-sensitive freight. Both companies conducted test runs with Aurora, including safety drivers to monitor the self-driving technology dubbed "Aurora Driver."
Aurora's new commercial service will no longer have safety drivers.
What could possibly go wrong?
The accident trail lawyers are salivating for the first incident. Can you imagine the payout for when an "autonomous" 18-wheeler wipes out a family sedan?
APEXgunparts
05-06-2025, 17:26
What could possibly go wrong?
The accident trail lawyers are salivating for the first incident. Can you imagine the payout for when an "autonomous" 18-wheeler wipes out a family sedan?
Interesting, I wonder if the A.I. legal aid will cover for the autonomous self driver program?
Richard
eddiememphis
05-07-2025, 08:21
What could possibly go wrong?
Evil robots stealing jobs from the precious and innocent undocumented- that's what's wrong!
Sad but true, people will die, but progress will still happen. Autonomous driving, especially for commercial/freight, is coming. There is simply too much cost involved with employing drivers for it not to.
Autonomous trucks are most likely going to be way safer than human operators. No distractions, drugs, health conditions, or just plain shitty decisions being made.
BushMasterBoy
05-07-2025, 15:04
Just get an AI president and remove the idiot factor completely. I know I am asking too much.
Autonomous trucks are most likely going to be way safer than human operators. No distractions, drugs, health conditions, or just plain shitty decisions being made.
Yeah, no. These are computers, and they are stupid.
-John
Yeah, no. These are computers, and they are stupid.
-John
Well, stats from Waymo cars in Arizona show that they have an accident rate that is about 1/3 of the accident rate of regular human driven cars.
Can you please share a link?
And I will tell you right now, that if these fucking autobot cars drive the speed limit or less, I will run them over.
I am so sick and tired of these autobots that leave a car length at a stop sign.
Does anyone know if we are training new drivers to leave a car length at a stop sign? Or a stop light? Or from the car in front of them?
-John
Can you please share a link?
All operators of autonomous cars must report all of their accidents to the NHTSA so there is a pretty good database of accidents.
https://www.google.com/search?q=waygo+car+accident+rates+vs+regular+cars&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS1020US1020&oq=waygo+car+accident+rates+vs+regular+cars&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORigATIHCAEQIRigATIHCA IQIRigATIHCAMQIRirAjIHCAQQIRirAjIHCAUQIRiPAtIBCTEy MDU4ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
https://theavindustry.org/resources/blog/waymo-reduces-crash-rates-compared-to-human-drivers#:~:text=Based%20on%20the%20findings%2C%20c ompared,2.78%20for%20the%20human%20benchmark)
https://www.infoq.com/news/2024/01/waymo-safety-report/
And I will tell you right now, that if these fucking autobot cars drive the speed limit or less, I will run them over.
I am so sick and tired of these autobots that leave a car length at a stop sign.
Does anyone know if we are training new drivers to leave a car length at a stop sign? Or a stop light? Or from the car in front of them?
-John
Back when I took drivers ed back in the 80's we were taught to leave a car length between yourself and the car in front of you. I stay close but with the way people drive around Denver/Boulder you need to leave enough space so that you can bail from a lane where someone is surfing the internet on their phone ahead of you at a stop light.
Waymo restricted their comparison to human benchmarks for their two major operating areas: San Francisco, CA, and Phoenix, AZ.
Very limited trials, in a very limited area.
Nothing like a fleet of smart trucks or cars.
-John
Back when I took drivers ed back in the 80's we were taught to leave a car length between yourself and the car in front of you. I stay close but with the way people drive around Denver/Boulder you need to leave enough space so that you can bail from a lane where someone is surfing the internet on their phone ahead of you at a stop light.
Well that is when you are driving. One car length per every 10 miles per hour.
People today are leaving multiple car lengths while stopped at at stop sign/light.
I think they are doing this, so they can go read their text messages, but for all I know drivers ed is teaching them this *expletive*
-John
If you are stopped at a stop sign/light, snuggle up to the car in front of you. This allows more people to get through the next light cycle, etc. There may be others behind you looking to get in the right or left turn lanes, that you are BLOCKING by leaving a large gap between you and the car in front of you.
-John
theGinsue
05-07-2025, 21:41
If you are stopped at a stop sign/light, snuggle up to the car in front of you.
-John
Hell no. I was always taught to leave enough room where (in a standard car) you can see 2' of pavement behind the rear tire of the vehicle in front of you. By doing this, unless someone totally smashes into you from behind, you should be able to avoid running into that car if you get rear ended. In CO, it doesn't matter who caused the wreck, if you get pushed into the car in front of you, YOUR insurance has to pay for the car in front of you.
BushMasterBoy
05-07-2025, 21:41
I like to be able to see the tire tread of the vehicle in front of me. Something they taught us at an Air Force driving class. And that was 49 years ago...
98796
This is as I feared. Some people believe more distance is a right/safe distance. Is this being taught? Is it in the drivers education manual?
Inquiring minds want to know...
-John
Oh they are teaching this!
Stopping: Come to a complete stop, no forward motion of the vehicle. Do not encroach over the stop line and, crosswalk; keep the vehicle’s wheels pointed straight ahead while stopped, do not turn the wheels until beginning to make the turn and maintain an adequate distance between vehicles (If you can see the rear wheels touching the ground of the vehicle in front of you, you are at an adequate distance).
https://dmv.colorado.gov/sites/dmv/files/documents/DR_2337_Jan2025.pdf
Has anyone done the physics? How much space are they recommending/teaching here? For stopped cars, at an intersection?!
-John
kidicarus13
05-09-2025, 20:06
How much space are they recommending/teaching here? For stopped cars, at an intersection?!
-John
I'm going to take a stab at this.
...maintain an adequate distance between vehicles (If you can see the rear wheels touching the ground of the vehicle in front of you, you are at an adequate distance).
Aloha_Shooter
05-10-2025, 14:41
Back when I took drivers ed back in the 80's we were taught to leave a car length between yourself and the car in front of you. I stay close but with the way people drive around Denver/Boulder you need to leave enough space so that you can bail from a lane where someone is surfing the internet on their phone ahead of you at a stop light.
I was taught 1 car length per 10 mph but if I observe that here in Colorado, some nimrod inevitably inserts himself in between me and the car in front of me so I end up with a half car length.
I'm going to take a stab at this.
...maintain an adequate distance between vehicles (If you can see the rear wheels touching the ground of the vehicle in front of you, you are at an adequate distance).
I took a look today, as I drove up to a person stopped in front of me, and where I would need to stop to see their rear wheels touching the ground, versus where I actually stopped, snuggling up to them, and it looks to me like this wastes at least 10 feet, if not more, per car.
As I know you care very much about the environment, etc., that means fewer cars through the stop sign, just sitting there, idling.
Does it help safety? No, because if you are going to be rear-ended, it does not normally matter where the cars in front of you are.
All this practice achieves, is pissing off other drivers, making them miss the light, and blocking them from the turn lane.
-John
theGinsue
05-12-2025, 20:55
All this practice achieves, is pissing off other drivers, making them miss the light, and blocking them from the turn lane.
-John
Well then, lets hope you're never behind me at an intersection, else you'll be pretty pissed off.
You do you, I'll do smart.
Tell me why this is smart?
Do you plan to be agile enough to move your car out of the way of a car that is going to rear end you?
What are your (smart) reasons for leaving so much room between you and another car at an intersection?
-John
I'm going to take a stab at this.
...maintain an adequate distance between vehicles (If you can see the rear wheels touching the ground of the vehicle in front of you, you are at an adequate distance).
I'll take a stab at this as well.
A small, four door car might have a distance between vehicles of 8' with this rule.
A larger, old truck might have a distance between vehicles of 30'+ with this rule. You can fit another vehicle, and then some, or practically two. Other drivers won't get angry, they'll just think your brand new to a vehicle that's more than 6" above the ground.
Simple height v. viewing angle, etc.
Does the old pickup need further distance between vehicles when stopped at an intersection?
I took a look today, as I drove up to a person stopped in front of me, and where I would need to stop to see their rear wheels touching the ground, versus where I actually stopped, snuggling up to them, and it looks to me like this wastes at least 10 feet, if not more, per car.
As I know you care very much about the environment, etc., that means fewer cars through the stop sign, just sitting there, idling.
Does it help safety? No, because if you are going to be rear-ended, it does not normally matter where the cars in front of you are.
All this practice achieves, is pissing off other drivers, making them miss the light, and blocking them from the turn lane.
-John
Some people have figured out how to not get upset and get through the light.
Lane filtering. It?s awesome.
Of course some compensating slow a$$ cage drivers ( normally compensating men in 4x4s) get pissed and try to harass riders doing something perfectly legal. Some like to try and get a close to a bike from the rear as possible when the bike moves to the front of the line legally.
Great-Kazoo
05-13-2025, 08:49
Tell me why this is smart?
Do you plan to be agile enough to move your car out of the way of a car that is going to rear end you?
What are your (smart) reasons for leaving so much room between you and another car at an intersection?
-John
It's called situational awareness, something everyone should already be practicing
Having enough space between you and the vehicle in front of you allows room to unass any situation. You've got the front of your vehicle as close as you say. Might as well be a proctologist.
Have both front & rear dash cams in the vehicles just in case someone like you decides to GO! as the light turns green, while the rest of us are waiting for the moron in front to stop texting.
Yeah, in the jungles of Cambodia, you need to be situationaly aware.
Parked at a stop light in Denver, you need to be efficient and considerate.
You need to make sure you, and as many of the drivers behind you, get through the intersection.
If you are scared, do not drive.
-John
Yeah, in the jungles of Cambodia, you need to be situationaly aware.
Parked at a stop light in Denver, you need to be efficient and considerate.
You need to make sure you, and as many of the drivers behind you, get through the intersection.
If you are scared, do not drive.
-John
Getting through an intersection has more to do with getting on the throttle than the amount of space in front of you. Doesn't do any good if you are on someone's ass and they are looking at their phone.
This is what horns are for.
-John
I'll take a stab at this as well.
A small, four door car might have a distance between vehicles of 8' with this rule.
A larger, old truck might have a distance between vehicles of 30'+ with this rule. You can fit another vehicle, and then some, or practically two. Other drivers won't get angry, they'll just think your brand new to a vehicle that's more than 6" above the ground.
Simple height v. viewing angle, etc.
Does the old pickup need further distance between vehicles when stopped at an intersection?
Ever had a car die in front of you? Have enough room to turn out. The old pickup will need the turning distance to get into another lane safely.
Hell no. I was always taught to leave enough room where (in a standard car) you can see 2' of pavement behind the rear tire of the vehicle in front of you. By doing this, unless someone totally smashes into you from behind, you should be able to avoid running into that car if you get rear ended. In CO, it doesn't matter who caused the wreck, if you get pushed into the car in front of you, YOUR insurance has to pay for the car in front of you.
Source? That's not how we determine liability in auto adjusting.
Yeah, in the jungles of Cambodia, you need to be situationaly aware.
Parked at a stop light in Denver, you need to be efficient and considerate.
I always leave an out, because street people, protesters, drugged and drunk drivers are all a thing here.
Sometimes I lean on my horn to warn a driver BEHIND me to apply their damn brakes because they're not even slowing down and I'm stopped. Been rear ended multiple times at stop lights here.
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