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Sounds like Molotov cocktails against a group marching to remember the Israeli hostages.
At least the asshole is in custody though too bad he didn?t resist with a fatal outcome.
That's ok....the DA there will probably let him out
As much as I am concerned about this incident, I do wish the press and politicians would take a breath, let the Police figure it out and then speak with facts.
I know I'm dreaming and part of the issue is trust in the Police to accurately summarize incidents is, well, at best a crap shoot.
https://kdvr.com/news/local/boulder-police-respond-to-pearl-street-for-reported-attack/
eddiememphis
06-01-2025, 17:05
Nothing says civil discourse or "let's agree to disagree" like setting people on fire.
https://x.com/StopAntisemites/status/1929298441982685274
Boulder, CO - authorities have arrested a man by the name of Mohamad Soliman in connection with a possible terror attack on a group of Jews.
Soliman was said to have dressed up as a landscaper when he threw Molotov cocktails at the group, burning several including children.
https://x.com/just_whatever/status/1929297646700613852
Video of the shirtless nut screaming about “children being killed” and “Until Palestine is free" while holding bottles. He then lays down as a cop approaches.
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BushMasterBoy
06-01-2025, 17:33
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Nothing says civil discourse or "let's agree to disagree" like setting people on fire.
https://x.com/StopAntisemites/status/1929298441982685274
Boulder, CO - authorities have arrested a man by the name of Mohamad Soliman in connection with a possible terror attack on a group of Jews.
Soliman was said to have dressed up as a landscaper when he threw Molotov cocktails at the group, burning several including children.
https://x.com/just_whatever/status/1929297646700613852
Video of the shirtless nut screaming about “children being killed” and “Until Palestine is free" while holding bottles. He then lays down as a cop approaches.
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Huh? A fat guy in jeans without a shirt is a landscaper now?
TEAMRICO
06-01-2025, 18:13
Dressed up? Most likely an actual city worker.
eddiememphis
06-01-2025, 19:02
Huh? A fat guy in jeans without a shirt is a landscaper now?
Trump deported all the real ones.
Hate crime? Certainly!
Terrorism? Doesn’t strike me as such….
Rooskibar03
06-01-2025, 21:47
And illegal alien from Egypt who came in under Biden admin.
Who would have guessed.
TEAMRICO
06-02-2025, 06:51
Hate crime? Certainly!
Terrorism? Doesn’t strike me as such….
And that’s the problem. Trying to explain it away.
Maybe just a cultural difference? He must be new to the whole free speech thing?
BPTactical
06-02-2025, 07:44
Hate crime? Certainly!
Terrorism? Doesn’t strike me as such….
ter-ror-ism
/ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Can it be any more blatant?
Hate crime? Certainly!
Terrorism? Doesn’t strike me as such….
Ok, please explain how this isn't terrorism.
When he says "Free Palestine!" that isn't a political statement? or goal?
And this wasn't a deliberate violent act?
Wait wait wait.
Isn't Pearl Street Mall a "Sensitive Place" where lawful citizens aren't allowed to defend themselves or others from say just a random hypothetical situation such as where someone was throwing incendiary devices?
So this should never happened because it is a safe and sensitive area?
BushMasterBoy
06-02-2025, 10:54
He took off his top because he spilled a flammable substance on it. He was afraid of being tased, because he knew he would burn. He was spraying people with a flammable substance and igniting it. He should get the federal needle.
eddiememphis
06-02-2025, 10:58
Bro didn't read the rules-
https://boulderdowntown.com/about/boulder-faqs/rules-for-the-mall
4-11-4 Uses Prohibited Without Permit.
(e) No person shall juggle, cast, throw, or propel a knife or burning projectile on the mall, or use equipment which is more than six feet above the surface of the mall when at rest or when bearing a load while being used in the act, without a valid special entertainment permit issued under this chapter.
5-6-9 Projectiles on Mall.
(a) No person shall cast, throw, or propel any projectile on the mall. This prohibition includes, without limitation, throwing balls, boomerangs, bottles, darts, frisbees and other like devices, model airplanes, rocks, snowballs, and sticks.
.455_Hunter
06-02-2025, 12:38
Wait wait wait.
Isn't Pearl Street Mall a "Sensitive Place" where lawful citizens aren't allowed to defend themselves or others from say just a random hypothetical situation such as where someone was throwing incendiary devices?
Umm, no...
ter-ror-ism
/ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Can it be any more blatant?
I stand corrected. My thoughts on terrorism revolved around organized crime, large scale type stuff but I absolutely concede based on this definition it’s clearly that!
He was just a mostly peaceful protester that the others triggered and some unfortunate events happened after that.
TEAMRICO
06-02-2025, 14:52
He was just a guy who “Did some things”.
Where did I hear that before?
eddiememphis
06-02-2025, 16:07
He was just a guy who “Did some things”.
Where did I hear that before?
Bob Dylan?
bellavite1
06-02-2025, 16:31
How is the guy being charged for 1st degree murder if nobody has died (yet)?
funkymonkey1111
06-02-2025, 16:32
Bob Dylan?
Ilhan Omar
How is the guy being charged for 1st degree murder if nobody has died (yet)?
I heard someone say that somewhere but I don't see anyone reporting that there has been a murder charge.
How is the guy being charged for 1st degree murder if nobody has died (yet)?
Preemptively.
I believe an 80+ year old is in critical condition with extensive 3rd degree burns.
That is not survivable at that age... and the pain meds will do nothing.
TEAMRICO
06-02-2025, 17:58
Bob Dylan?
Ilhan Omar
Bob Dilhan Omar!
BPTactical
06-02-2025, 20:11
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Ah the religion of peace strikes again.
buffalobo
06-02-2025, 20:56
98908Ha! The Bee cracks me up.
Not too far from the truth. Politicians and media types barely paying lip service.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-02-2025, 23:39
Jesus, they are skipping the train ride and murder and going straight to the cremation.
this was a ?gun free zone?? Outside a courthouse?
Jesus may have said "For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them", but I think Jews should change it to "For where two or three gather someone bring an UZI with them". I can?t believe that no one lit that fudger up, literally.
hurley842002
06-03-2025, 02:55
How is the guy being charged for 1st degree murder if nobody has died (yet)?
Was wondering the same thing, even if there is a victim that has no chance of surviving, it would seem to me that an authority would need to actually pronounce the person dead in order to present a murder charge. Don?t get me wrong, I wish this pile of trash could have been ?neutralized? before anyone got hurt, but I?m also not keen on slinging charges before they are warranted.
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FromMyColdDeadHand
06-03-2025, 06:44
“I’hmm not dead yet….”
Was wondering the same thing, even if there is a victim that has no chance of surviving, it would seem to me that an authority would need to actually pronounce the person dead in order to present a murder charge. Don?t get me wrong, I wish this pile of trash could have been ?neutralized? before anyone got hurt, but I?m also not keen on slinging charges before they are warranted.
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These discussions of the "murder charge" are based on the same media sources that we spend decades complaining about how bad they are.
But also, to be fair, maybe we don't read the articles better.
That said, this article here:
https://kdvr.com/news/local/boulder-police-respond-to-pearl-street-for-reported-attack/
Says this about the charges against the Suspect:
".......
Eight counts of first-degree murder after deliberation - criminal attempt
Eight counts of first-degree murder with extreme indifference - criminal attempt............"
If that is accurate, the Dude wasn't charged with "Murder".............. but Attempted Murder.
So yes, NOW, if someone dies, they will amend the charges to reflect an actual murder.
Oscar77 has it right. I recommend reading the affidavit if haven’t to get an insight into the prick’s state of mind. Tried to buy a gun, planned it for a year, wanted to kill as many as he could. Yes too bad no one was there to cancel his ticket.
So I remember something about arson and deadly force in the CRS, and went digging for it:
18-1-705. Use of physical force in defense of premises.
...However, he may use deadly force only in defense of himself or another as described in section 18-1-704, or when he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent what he reasonably believes to be an attempt by the trespasser to commit first degree arson.
So what's interesting is that as I read it, trying to burn people alive is NOT arson by Colorado law, since arson is only defined as burning a structure:
18-4-102. First degree arson.
(1) A person who knowingly sets fire to, burns, causes to be burned, or by the use of any explosive damages or destroys, or causes to be damaged or destroyed, any building or occupied structure of another without his consent commits first degree arson.
(2) First degree arson is a class 3 felony if the arson is of an occupied structure, and it is a class 4 felony if the arson is of a building.
(3) A defendant convicted of committing first degree arson by the use of any explosive shall be sentenced by the court in accordance with the provisions of section 18-1.3-406.
Which means that if you shot someone holding Molotov that was threatening people with it, you'd have to rely on a standard self-defense argument to justify your actions, whereas if you shot someone threatening a building, you have a specific carve-out for your actions.
Something doesn't seem quite right about that...
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FromMyColdDeadHand
06-03-2025, 14:15
So I remember something about arson and deadly force in the CRS, and went digging for it:
18-1-705. Use of physical force in defense of premises.
...However, he may use deadly force only in defense of himself or another as described in section 18-1-704, or when he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent what he reasonably believes to be an attempt by the trespasser to commit first degree arson.
So what's interesting is that as I read it, trying to burn people alive is NOT arson by Colorado law, since arson is only defined as burning a structure:
18-4-102. First degree arson.
(1) A person who knowingly sets fire to, burns, causes to be burned, or by the use of any explosive damages or destroys, or causes to be damaged or destroyed, any building or occupied structure of another without his consent commits first degree arson.
(2) First degree arson is a class 3 felony if the arson is of an occupied structure, and it is a class 4 felony if the arson is of a building.
(3) A defendant convicted of committing first degree arson by the use of any explosive shall be sentenced by the court in accordance with the provisions of section 18-1.3-406.
Which means that if you shot someone holding Molotov that was threatening people with it, you'd have to rely on a standard self-defense argument to justify your actions, whereas if you shot someone threatening a building, you have a specific carve-out for your actions.
Something doesn't seem quite right about that...
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Wouldn’t just trying to cause great bodily harm or injury be enough?
Does anyone remember the darling of Boulder from years back!
Ward Churchill and his book “On the Justice of Roosting Chickens”
I wonder if Boulder still believes in roosting chickens?
Wouldn’t just trying to cause great bodily harm or injury be enough?
Yes it would be. I just find the specific arson carve-out interesting, and this event made me look more deeply into it.
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So I remember something about arson and deadly force in the CRS, and went digging for it:
18-1-705. Use of physical force in defense of premises.
...However, he may use deadly force only in defense of himself or another as described in section 18-1-704, or when he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent what he reasonably believes to be an attempt by the trespasser to commit first degree arson.
So what's interesting is that as I read it, trying to burn people alive is NOT arson by Colorado law, since arson is only defined as burning a structure:
18-4-102. First degree arson.
(1) A person who knowingly sets fire to, burns, causes to be burned, or by the use of any explosive damages or destroys, or causes to be damaged or destroyed, any building or occupied structure of another without his consent commits first degree arson.
(2) First degree arson is a class 3 felony if the arson is of an occupied structure, and it is a class 4 felony if the arson is of a building.
(3) A defendant convicted of committing first degree arson by the use of any explosive shall be sentenced by the court in accordance with the provisions of section 18-1.3-406.
Which means that if you shot someone holding Molotov that was threatening people with it, you'd have to rely on a standard self-defense argument to justify your actions, whereas if you shot someone threatening a building, you have a specific carve-out for your actions.
Something doesn't seem quite right about that...
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Sir:
I reread your comments and changed/edited my response.
The self defense "clause" in the Arson definition is consistent with a broader self defense clause.
Notice they say (basically) you can act in self defense in instances of "first degree arson."
One of the parts to that is they mention "occupied structure," so they don't have people being burned alive their homes.
Like those poor people in Green Valley Ranch.
BushMasterBoy
06-03-2025, 16:11
There is no statute on the books in Colorado as to terrorism. What part of Islam don't the legislators understand?
Islam is a terrorist organization. Any other thinking is delusional.
https://www.icnl.org/resources/terrorism-laws-in-the-united-states
Wouldn?t just trying to cause great bodily harm or injury be enough?
Yes it is. From what I was taught in my concealed carry class was that all you need in Colorado is to believe that you are under threat of immediate harm. Harm could be anything that cases injury to body. The bar want very high from what I remember. That said, depending on what jurisdiction you are in when you defend yourself you may end up having to defend yourself a second time in court.
.455_Hunter
06-03-2025, 18:13
Yes it is. From what I was taught in my concealed carry class was that all you need in Colorado is to believe that you are under threat of immediate harm. Harm could be anything that cases injury to body. The bar want very high from what I remember. That said, depending on what jurisdiction you are in when you defend yourself you may end up having to defend yourself a second time in court.
I suspect a concealed carrier shooting the terrorist mid-attack would have gotten a thumbs-up from the authorities and most citizens- even in Boulder.
I suspect a concealed carrier shooting the terrorist mid-attack would have gotten a thumbs-up from the authorities and most citizens- even in Boulder.
No sir.
Boulderites, as evidenced by who they have elected, do not like guns and do not want private citizens to defend themselves.
They believe only police should have guns and will protect themselves.
I have proof. That is what they voted for and forced on the rest of the state.
Look at how well that thinking worked Sunday.
Look at the statements even after by the country comissioner that she believes to solve this is with ?love?.
They don?t need guns for private citizens in Boulder; guns make Boulder less safe.
I suspect a concealed carrier shooting the terrorist mid-attack would have gotten a thumbs-up from the authorities and most citizens- even in Boulder.
Yeah, based on other self defense shootings that have occurred in town this would have easily been written up as a justified shooting.
There is a fair amount of pro Palestine crap around town but the City Council after two years of harassment by the pro Palis was finally forced to pick a side this past spring and it wasn't in their favor. Boulder sucks in many ways but I don't think this guy is going to get any more sympathy from the DAs office than the King Soopers shooter did.
.455_Hunter
06-03-2025, 18:46
No sir.
Boulderites, as evidenced by who they have elected, do not like guns and do not want private citizens to defend themselves.
They believe only police should have guns and will protect themselves.
I have proof. That is what they voted for and forced on the rest of the state.
Look at how well that thinking worked Sunday.
Look at the statements even after by the country comissioner that she believes to solve this is with ?love?.
They don?t need guns for private citizens in Boulder; guns make Boulder less safe.
Yawn.
You have the same county leadership as me. Anyway, the tune changes in the BPD, BCSO and DA's office. This is from first hand experience, NOT conjecture.
Yawn.
You have the same county leadership as me. Anyway, the tune changes in the BPD, BCSO and DA's office. This is from first hand experience, NOT conjecture.
No. I am not in Boulder county.
But isn’t ironic that BCSO has to train with their weapons in Weld County? Even training police ti use their guns to occur outside of Boulder county..
.455_Hunter
06-03-2025, 19:12
No. I am not in Boulder county.
Oh, so another "expert".
But isn?t ironic that BCSO has to train with their weapons in Weld County? Even training police ti use their guns to occur outside of Boulder county..
Both BPD and BCSO regularly train at BRC in North Boulder. I am sure there are some things they do at other regional facilities, just like every other LE agency.
colorider
06-03-2025, 19:14
People tried to stop him with harsh words. Didn’t work too well.
No. I am not in Boulder county.
But isn?t ironic that BCSO has to train with their weapons in Weld County? Even training police ti use their guns to occur outside of Boulder county..
Boulder Sheriffs Office uses the Boulder Rifle Club ranges as well as the indoor facility that was built in Longmont some years back. One of the sheriff's office deputies used to be a gunsmith in the basement at Gunsport and was an FAL builder and enthusiast.
Have no idea where the Boulder Police dept trains.
The law enforcement indoor faculty that was built in Longmont is an public range btw and have shot there a number of times.
BushMasterBoy
06-03-2025, 19:58
Here in Pueblo, police DGAF. They will stop a suspect the safest & most convenient way possible. And this is fairly local for for me. They should have tased the Boulder guy and watch him burn...
https://www.kktv.com/2025/06/03/large-police-scene-famous-footwear-pueblo-following-alleged-theft/
eddiememphis
06-04-2025, 07:56
He spent a year planning that?
I'm guessing the outcome did not match his aspirations.
Looking at the various tapes, there is one that shows a pretty good sized older gentleman attempting to get to the heat miser, but being held back by some little hippie douche bag. So it appears there was at least one person willing to take action, but, Boulder prevailed.
I'm wondering what the big guy in the grey t-shirt was screaming about in the video at the Mall. Sounded like 'don't antagonize him' while the perp was waving the spray bottles around, (I'm a little puzzled about how his homemade flamethrower even worked).
BushMasterBoy
06-04-2025, 13:39
From the video I saw, the guy was using a backpack worn pesticide sprayer. And it caught on fire while he was wearing it. I don't think the seals in a sprayer like that are fuel/solvent resistant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV27GYJZ0XQ
From the video I saw, the guy was using a backpack worn pesticide sprayer. And it caught on fire while he was wearing it. I don't think the seals in a sprayer like that are fuel/solvent resistant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV27GYJZ0XQ
Yes, which is why he ended up shirtless.
One of the videos shows him catching fire.
clodhopper
06-04-2025, 16:52
From the video I saw, the guy was using a backpack worn pesticide sprayer. And it caught on fire while he was wearing it. I don't think the seals in a sprayer like that are fuel/solvent resistant.
Good thing he spent a years planning this. Can you imagine how haphazard it would have been if he only a week or so to pull it together?
I believe what we're seeing where he sets himself on fire is gasoline leaking/spraying out the neck of the Molotov bottle when he throws it.
That's what I think I see when I watch the video.
So he probably just put a strip of cloth in the neck, and when he threw it, he threw the bottle base first and the gasoline sprayed out of the neck and ignited.
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theGinsue
06-05-2025, 05:05
I believe what we're seeing where he sets himself on fire is gasoline leaking/spraying out the neck of the Molotov bottle when he throws it.
That's what I think I see when I watch the video.
So he probably just put a strip of cloth in the neck, and when he threw it, he threw the bottle base first and the gasoline sprayed out of the neck and ignited.
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That's what it looked like to me too.
Let's just say I think we were lucky he was an incompetent bad guy. Had he known how to put together a better Molotov cocktail, many more people could have been hurt and likely would have had immediate deaths.
FTR colorado has an affirmative defense (e.g. lawful use of deadly physical force) for imminent belief in felony arson.
FTR colorado has an affirmative defense (e.g. lawful use of deadly physical force) for imminent belief in felony arson.
You're late to the party. See reply #37. :)
The conclusion is that the section is only applicable if it's arson against structures. For arson against people, normal self-defense laws apply.
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BushMasterBoy
06-06-2025, 11:58
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That's ok....the DA there will probably let him out I understand your presumption but it is not true. District Attorney Michael Dougherty will prosecute the case himself, just as he did the Boulder King Soopers shooter, Ahmad Al Aliwi Al-Issa. Dougherty's prosecution was stellar, convicting the shooter on all 55 felony counts. He has a track record of prosecuting people who do harm to others.
Note that Dougherty will be running CO Attorney General. I don't like his politics, especially his zealous adherence to DEI and open immigration leading to letting many criminal migrants go with a hand slap. But, he is otherwise a good prosecutor and the staff is geared up to prosecute the fire bomber, soon to be murderer.
The elderly victim passed, 2 murder charges added. Hope this dirtbag rots in hell and never sees his 72 virgins instead that he gets one big prison husband.
Just a matter of time before his image gets the Banksy treatment and he becomes a legend.
Too bad someone didn’t blow the SOB away when he started his little rampage, must be a gun free zone!
.455_Hunter
07-01-2025, 15:00
Too bad someone didn?t blow the SOB away when he started his little rampage, must be a gun free zone!
There are plenty of guns carried by citizens in Boulder, but that group tends to avoid the "socially conscious" events downtown.
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