WAR!

[eddiememphis]

https://x.com/XTopMemes/status/1933319583714169042

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/12/middleeast/israel-iran-strikes-intl-hnk



Israel has launched what it called ?preemptive strikes? against Iran and a state of emergency has been declared in Israel, according to the country?s Defense Minister Israel Katz.

Here we go...

[Sawin]

Just what we need. Iran to go nuking some shit in response. Hopefully they don’t but who the hell knows…

[BushMasterBoy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBM1-DwjA8I

[flogger]

It sounds like Israel launched a 2nd airstrike within the past hour. Iran is taking a pounding. Gutsy move.

[JohnnyDrama]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBM1-DwjA8I

Dang! At stupid dark I needed that.

[FoxtArt]

Necessary. If they don't already have nukes they will soon (if people have been following the developments).

If Canada or Mexico threatened to wipe us off the map repeatedly with nukes, we'd have taken the initiative 20 years ago. I'd say Isreal was pretty patient.

[Oscar77]

Necessary. If they don't already have nukes they will soon (if people have been following the developments).

If Canada or Mexico threatened to wipe us off the map repeatedly with nukes, we'd have taken the initiative 20 years ago. I'd say Isreal was pretty patient.

Yes, my SWAG is earlier this week when the Nuclear oversight commission (IAEA???) stated that Iran was "UN nuclear watchdog board finds Iran not complying with obligations" and going full on to nuclear weapons and Iran commented, essentially, that "#### yes and we aren't stopping" that Israel realized what they needed to do.

[.455_Hunter]

Ever pragmatic, Jordan "condemns" the Israeli attack, and then shoots down the Iranian retaliation.

[beast556]

Long over due, hopefully Israel doesn't let up and cleans house.

[arbol]

Recent history in Gaza would point to Israel not letting up, and cleaning house.

-John

[Doc45]

This is another example of Israel working a long time to have assets in position for the right moment. Mossad moved in people, vehicles, drones over a period of time to be ready when the go was given as advance for the air force. Kinda like the pager project last September.

[Firehaus]

People trust Israel way too much.

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/05/world/iran-may-be-able-build-atomic-bomb-5-years-us-israeli-officials-fear.htmlhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250614/1212dd2127001d0612017355ce6ec62e.jpg


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[BushMasterBoy]

I figure the Islamic Republic of Iran has the bomb. What is scary is they probably have the "small atomic demolition munition". If Saddam had some it would have been very difficult to take Baghdad. Set one off next to a nuclear power plant...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition

[Oscar77]

People trust Israel way too much.

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/05/world/iran-may-be-able-build-atomic-bomb-5-years-us-israeli-officials-fear.htmlhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250614/1212dd2127001d0612017355ce6ec62e.jpg


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I'll be honest, I'm not sure your point.

Are you throwing shade on the NYT's?
The Israelis for attacking now?
Or us for going in with "they have a bomb" story?

[Firehaus]

I'll be honest, I'm not sure your point.

Are you throwing shade on the NYT's?
The Israelis for attacking now?
Or us for going in with "they have a bomb" story?

The point is Israel has said repetitively for 30 years that Iran was 3-5 years away from a nuke. Were they crying wolf or manipulating us into a war they want to have? I think people have been conditioned all their lives to trust Israel. I?m not so sure it?s a good idea.

I read now they formally asked us to join in and Trump said no. Anyone else see that reported?


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[Oscar77]

The point is Israel has said repetitively for 30 years that Iran was 3-5 years away from a nuke. Were they crying wolf or manipulating us into a war they want to have? I think people have been conditioned all their lives to trust Israel. I?m not so sure it?s a good idea.

I read now they formally asked us to join in and Trump said no. Anyone else see that reported?


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Ok and its Iran itself that was saying it last week so Israel reacted. Thats what made all this different: The IAEA (sp?) stated they weren't playing by the rules any more the Iran responded that they would do whatever they wanted to do.

Watchdog finds Iran failing to meet nuclear obligations (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce3v6w2qr12o)

"......They announced that Iran would respond by setting up a new uranium enrichment facility at a "secure location" and by replacing first-generation centrifuges used to enrich uranium with more advanced, sixth-generation machines at the underground Fordo facility........."

Yes, it was reported the moment this kicked off........... Rubio stated it clearly in his Statement to the press/world that night.

[eddiememphis]

https://tutorials.nti.org/nuclear-101/uranium-enrichment/#:~:text=*%20Starting%20out%20with%20natural%20ura nium%2C%20a,of%20weapons%2Dgrade%20uranium%20per%2 0year.%20%5B%204%5D

Breakout time is less when starting from an existing stockpile of uranium enriched to 3-5% uranium-235?the level used for nuclear power?than when starting with natural uranium. Enrichment removes unwanted uranium-238, making the concentration of uranium-235 atoms higher. It takes much more work to enrich uranium to 3-5% uranium-235 (typical power reactor fuel), than it does to further enrich uranium from 3-5% to 90% uranium-235 (weapons-grade material).

Starting out with natural uranium, a facility with nearly 6,000 early-generation centrifuges could produce about 40 kg of weapons-grade uranium within a year. [3]
If material pre-enriched to 3.5% uranium-235 is used, a facility with the same capacity could produce about 180 kg of weapons-grade uranium per year. [4]

https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/articles-reports/irans-nuclear-timetable-weapon-potential#:~:text=The%20U%2D235%20isotope%20makes, be%20sufficient%20for%20one%20weapon.

[2] The IAEA estimated that as of February 8, 2025, Iran's uranium stockpile contained 7,464.0 kg of uranium in the form of uranium hexafluoride (UF6), 274.8 kg of which was enriched "up to" a level of 60% in the fissionable isotope U-235, 606.8 kg of which was enriched "up to" a level of 20% U-235, and 3,655.4 kg of which was enriched "up to" a level of 5% U-235. The U-235 isotope makes up about .7% of natural uranium; its concentration can be increased, or enriched, using centrifuges.

[3] Twenty kilograms of uranium in the form of UF6 enriched to 90% U-235 are assumed to be sufficient for one weapon. The uranium would need to be further processed into finished metal weapon components, which is assumed to cause about a 20% loss of material.


It would seen that more than enough time has passed for Iran to have plenty of enriched Uranium.

Whether they have the delivery devices and the triggers necessary for a weapon is another question. However, working with the Chinese, North Koreans and Russians would lead one to assume that they do.

[FoxtArt]

Iran's leadership has also previously promised to wipe Israel off the face of the planet using nukes.

I don't give a crap if they don't have one yet... Israel should've proactively eliminated them a long time ago. The rationale of waiting on destabilizing state to have nukes before acting is absurd. Had this been handled long ago a lot of people in the ME would be alive today. Iran does not just seek to wipe Israel out, it's minority islamic branch is the cause of many/most conflicts in the ME (some in Africa) and has undermined peace between semitic peoples.

[theGinsue]

I watched a video last night that I've been unable to confirm.

The video indicated that both the FBI and DHS has published a list of a LOT of U.S. cities (and the state of New York in general) as being on a watch list for potential attacks.

Other than seeing the DHS website saying we "remain" [keyword: remain vs upgraded to] in a "heightened threat environment".

So, something new or not, it's wise to adopt (if you hadn't already) an increased situational awareness posture with eyes wide open, head on a swivel, constant plans for extracting yourself from dangerous environments, and having a means to protect yourself and your family.

[Firehaus]

I watched a video last night that I've been unable to confirm.

The video indicated that both the FBI and DHS has published a list of a LOT of U.S. cities (and the state of New York in general) as being on a watch list for potential attacks.

Other than seeing the DHS website saying we "remain" [keyword: remain vs upgraded to] in a "heightened threat environment".

So, something new or not, it's wise to adopt (if you hadn't already) an increased situational awareness posture with eyes wide open, head on a swivel, constant plans for extracting yourself from dangerous environments, and having a means to protect yourself and your family.

Totally agree. Most people are too clueless to pay attention. I wish we could post videos here. There was a great AI one yesterday making fun of the protesters just doing what the news told them to do.


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[BushMasterBoy]

This has to be destroyed.


https://www.ft.com/content/46c60c82-7e5c-4013-a789-459e785d33fd

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[Aloha_Shooter]

From what Ive gathered, Israel really planned this op out. They got their prime targets together and held them in place for a decapitating strike and have quickly achieved air superiority. Iran's only response available has been launched indiscriminate missiles (aka terror bombs) in Hitlerian fashion. Of course, the Leftists are still portraying Israel as the aggressor and terrorists.

[theGinsue]

Spot on. Israel did what needed to be done.

The radical regime in Iran has quickly been losing favor amongst their people and those in charge risk losing power if they don't project fear and control - not only against the world, but against their own people. Many (dare I say MOST?) of the Iranian people have had enough and want freedom - the freedom they've not seen since before 1979 when the Ayatollah took power after the Iranian Revolution. I've watched a couple of videos of large masses of Iranians celebrating the strikes by Israel in the streets/open areas. Since Iran's radical leaders sense they're losing their grip, they're likely to become more desperate and become more likely to use nuclear weapons while they still have a chance. Taking that option away from them was the only move Israel could do to ensure their survival.

[BushMasterBoy]

The financial times link let me view one time. Then they block you and want money. Kind of like the car manufacturers that provide no way to change transmission fluid. (scumbags)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordow_Fuel_Enrichment_Plant

[eddiememphis]

This has to be destroyed.


https://www.ft.com/content/46c60c82-7e5c-4013-a789-459e785d33fd

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https://archive.is/mkHnl

Anytime you come across an article behind a paywall, add "archive.is/" before "www."

It goes to Archive Today and works about 70ish percent of the time.

[flogger]

That State television studio getting hit during a live broadcast was a nice touch. I'm trying to think of who that lady newscaster reminds me of?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/watch-iranian-news-anchor-interrupted-after-israeli-missile-appears-to-hit-tv-studio/vi-AA1GP7Mo?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=41a2e839ad5849d2bc1e0938f229224d&ei=11

[JohnnyDrama]

That State television studio getting hit during a live broadcast was a nice touch. I'm trying to think of who that lady newscaster reminds me of?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/watch-iranian-news-anchor-interrupted-after-israeli-missile-appears-to-hit-tv-studio/vi-AA1GP7Mo?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=41a2e839ad5849d2bc1e0938f229224d&ei=11

Reminds me of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOA5UJh7TFU

[FoxtArt]

Seems strange to be calling allah akbar after your own people are hit.

Must've hated his coworkers and/or the job....

[matttahoe53]

Seems strange to be calling allah akbar after your own people are hit.

Must've hated his coworkers and/or the job....

I assumed the HR department was hit.

[bellavite1]

I KILL YOU!
I KILL YOU!
I KILL...
Ok, I'm going, i'm going [gohome] [Coffee]

[hollohas]

Trump gave a 48 hour ultimatum basically saying the supreme leader should expect to be dead if he doesn't surrender.

Russia adding their 2? that the US better stay out of it.

I have no problem with Israel taking care of their enemies. I'm rooting for them. They do a great job handling their own shit. But I certainly hope the US doesn't decide on direct action in Iran. The world seems to be itching for a war. They've been trying to initiate one for years.

Trump has been VERY anti-war, one of his better policy positions, I hope he holds to that.

[Scanker19]

Why? It would take us 6 months max to change out the regime because of their possession of weapons of mass destruction, I mean nuclear weapons. We’ll be home by Christmas…

[FoxtArt]

Trump is NOT helping. As usual, when he came late to the party he had to jump in and pretend to be orchastrating it and "Jesus intervined and saved the supreme leader, but he'll kill him soon".

Isreal didn't kill Khomeini because they understand the theocracy. If you kill him, you Martyr him, and resolve in the internal tension, making his son the legitimate successor. Keep him alive, and fragment the theocracy, kill those of high position and birth, and succession is less clear and you can potentially turn Iran into a tribe of warring imbiciles. If Trump (or Americans without this insight) inject themselves, they can fuck this up to high heaven.

The sect of Islam that Iran leads does not believe "just anyone" can lead. Shia Muslims believe it should be a descendant of the Prophet, specifically Ali, his cousin and son-in-law, and it's a rather fragle standard. Martyr'ing is a big thing as well. Shia is only 10% of the islamic world, but causes about 60% of the problems.

But Trump doesn't study anything, he just the group project participant that shows up on the last day, drunk, and takes credit for everything he essentially had no involvement in. Iran would be unified if Khomeini is killed. Kill off all the "descendants" instead, and 25 different buck-teethed "muhammed bin goat lovin's" all assert to be the proper descendant of the prophet, and their country falls apart - if you patiently wait for Khomeini to croak.

[theGinsue]

Why? It would take us 6 months max to change out the regime because of their possession of weapons of mass destruction, I mean nuclear weapons. We’ll be home by Christmas…

Mostly because Russia and China are on Irans side and if we enter, they'll likely come to Iran's aid turning the whole thing into WWIII with strong nuclear possibilities.

The problem here is the world has speculated as to whether or not Iran already has nukes. Yesterday Iran made the following cryptic comment: "a great surprise will occur - one that the world will remember for centuries". This sort of comment hints at them having and intending to use nuclear weapons. That, or (and I believe we've all heard the rumors) they actually do have terrorist cells within the United States and plan to activate them.

Iran is radical and capable of doing quite a bit of damage if either of the two possibilities mentioned above have validity, and then there's Russia and China again too. Now, there are reports that Iran's missile supplies are running low. The Ayatollah's regime is getting desperate as they are losing power. If they have enough enriched material to make a nuclear weapon, they will use it.

My opinion is we give Israel a couple of MOAB bunker busters to take out the Iranian Fordow nuclear plant (or whatever munitions are capable of taking out this hardened site) and sit back. We aggress only in direct response to actions against us and our asset's. Hopefully, that will keep Russia and China out of it.

[Scanker19]

Oh I know. I was being sarcastic.

[theGinsue]

You little devil, you. <evil grin>

I wondered how you'd missed that.

[eddiememphis]

Pretty obvious how this entire situation could be resolved in no time flat.

Send in the most charismatic leader, and skilled negotiator of our time.

Recipient of no less than six Grammy awards, the Department of Defense Medal for Distinguished Public Service and a Nobel Peace Prize.

Barack Hussein Obama II.

98978

[Firehaus]

I nominate a better negotiator.

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[hatidua]

Seems strange to be calling allah akbar after your own people are hit.


I can't think of a single event in which that phrase would not be one of the first things uttered in islamic culture.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Russia is trying to look big on the world stage but they have their hands full right now. Ukraine's strike this month took out a significant portion of Russia's ability to project power; I don't believe they would be able to intervene militarily to protect Iran right now. China is a whole other question. Xi has some domestic issues on his plate but he has all the forces that he'd otherwise use to take Taiwan if he thinks Iran is worth protecting.

I prefer a different negotiator. "The best diplomat I know is a fully activated phaser bank."


https://youtu.be/9xQqjxXGQF8

[FoxtArt]

There are cargo planes from China that have been slipping into Iran. The most logical explanation I've heard is it likely may be air defense technology that China wants to covertly test against our Gen 5's (F35) ... huge win if they can shoot them down, if they can't, nobody hears about it...

[flogger]

B-2's moving to Guam and the USS Gerald Ford standing by, sounds like things are warming up. it's amazing to watch this stuff happening real time. We don't need a War, neither does Iran. I think we have a bigger hammer though.

[Gunner]

Bombs dropped in Iran by US B2s....

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[.455_Hunter]

Bombs dropped in Iran by US B2s....



Looks like the GBU-57 saw its first action.

[TEAMRICO]

Hammer dropped!

[TEAMRICO]

I figured something was up. Yesterday morning 2 Rockwell B-1 Lancers took off from Peterson right over the house. I thought that was odd.
They sure are loud.

[Gunner]

I figured something was up. Yesterday morning 2 Rockwell B-1 Lancers took off from Peterson right over the house. I thought that was odd.
They sure are loud.Probably a cool sight

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[brutal]

Bombs dropped in Iran by US B2s....

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6 GBU-57 dropped on Fordow.

30 Tomahawk's used on the other 2 sites.

[Oscar77]

There are cargo planes from China that have been slipping into Iran. The most logical explanation I've heard is it likely may be air defense technology that China wants to covertly test against our Gen 5's (F35) ... huge win if they can shoot them down, if they can't, nobody hears about it...

The more logical answer is they were getting some of their people out.
That equipment is WAY bigger than what just a few cargo planes can hold.

Either way, so far, No, thank God, no planes lost.

[eddiememphis]

https://nypost.com/2025/06/22/us-news/inside-operation-midnight-hammer-us-dropped-14-bunker-buster-bombs-on-irans-fordow-nuke-site-in-biggest-ever-b-2-raid/

The US strike on Iranian nuclear sites - dubbed "Operation Midnight Hammer"- was the biggest ever attack by B-2 stealth bombers, and the longest flight the aircraft have made since 2001.

It also marked the first time that the US used the massive, 15-ton GBU-57 bunker buster bombs in a military attack - and the US used 14 of them.

The 25-minute operation inside Iran began at 6:40 p.m. ET, with a lead American B-2 bomber dropped two GBU-57 "bunker buster" munitions on the "first of several aim points at Fordow," Caine said.
"The remaining bombers then hit their targets, as well, with a total of 14 MOPs (Massive Ordnance Penetrators) dropped against two nuclear target areas," he said.

7 planes carrying 60k pounds of bombs each fly 18 hours to drop them with pinpoint precision, then turn around and fly back to Missouri. Historic and heroic, for sure, but it also sound pretty boring, sitting in a plane for over 30 hours.

98983

[theGinsue]

To ensure I give credit where credit is due, the fact that Israel took out a considerable amount of Iran's surface-to-air defenses was helpful.

That said, there were still LOTS of surface-to-air defenses still in place. So, this Operation proved that America's investment in the B2 aircraft and the thousands of hours of training of the crews has paid off.

While China is quickly advancing their air capabilities (mostly because they continue to steal our technology), the United States has the best Air Force in the world.

[sampson]

Just my opinion98984

[BushMasterBoy]

I thought this was strange coming from The Director of National Intelligence. Obviously she has insider knowledge.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TKagrJC9B4

[TEAMRICO]

Most of us grew up during the Cold War and have heard all this before. And yet here we still are.
I still don’t trust her.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Iran has been fighting America and killing Americans for nearly 50 years. Their nuclear ambitions should have been shut down 20 years ago. It's about effing time their facilities were taken out. Perhaps the region will stabilize a little with the threat of a nuclear Iran removed.

[WETWRKS]

Just my opinion98984

It is most certainly our war as Iran was almost guaranteed to set off a nuke in someplace like Times Square once they had one. Iran and Nork are the 2 main countries you do not want having nukes as they are so bug nuts crazy as to be certain they will use them with no provocation what so ever.

[FoxtArt]

I thought this was strange coming from The Director of National Intelligence. Obviously she has insider knowledge.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TKagrJC9B4

That was her beginning platform as a politician, in essence. She started running when Hawaii had the fake Ballistic Missle alert go out to phones. It may as well be her original business card.

[TRnCO]

what an incredible feat. Flying non-stop 36-37 hours took some incredible planning and logistics that are hard to imagine. Once again showing the true strength of the US military.

[eddiememphis]

Don't discount Israel's part in this.

Ben called Don and said hey buddy, you know those planes and bombs you've been working on for the last 30 years? How about we clear a path so your boys can go in there and show everyone what you got?

We will build a cake and allow you to put the icing on it.

Don said, will it make me look good? Sure, why not!

[theGinsue]

I couldn't care less if it had made Dementia Joe look good. The bottom line is Iran had to be removed from the possibility of becoming a nuclear weapon nation.

As WETWRKS said, both Iran and North Korea are 100% bat shit crazy and would use a nuclear weapon against the United States or anyone else they wanted to just "because".

Additionally, both Iran and North Korea have a hugely inflated ego whereas they believe they have at seat at the "adults table" as equals. They are not, but that doesn't stop either one of them from crawling under the table and trying to tie everyone's shoe laces together. They are petulant children who will never be taken seriously so long as they continue with their shenanigans. Sometimes, the children need to be reminded of their place until they can start acting like adults.

Our actions this weekend make the world a safer place for everyone, especially us (U.S.).

[theGinsue]

.....And in a mostly symbolic manner, Iran has launched a missile attack against the Al Udeid U.S. base in Qatar (Actually, the base is owned by the Qatari's but the U.S. has the largest presence at that base.

Iran claims they launched the same number of missiles at the U.S. base as the U.S. used against them; thus the "symbolic" comment. Analysts are saying Iran only launched 1/2 as many as the U.S. used. This may be a sign that Iran is starting to run out of their ballistic missile supply.

Supposed Qatar intercepted all or most of the incoming missiles and the reports are that there were no injuries or deaths.

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In another note, former Russian president Medvedev has stated that because of the U.S. strike against Irans nuclear facilities, other nations (like Russia) could provide Iran with nuclear weapons. The rhetoric has begun.

[TEAMRICO]

Agreed.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I've made this comment in another forum but between the Ukrainians, Israelis, and now US, the past month or so has been sheer competence porn. It's good for the likes of Putin and Khamenei to find out people won't roll over for them and good for the world for folks like Xi and Kim to see it.

[TEAMRICO]

Sounds like No War……
Back to looking at gun stuff.

[arbol]

I've made this comment in another forum but between the Ukrainians, Israelis, and now US, the past month or so has been sheer competence porn. It's good for the likes of Putin and Khamenei to find out people won't roll over for them and good for the world for folks like Xi and Kim to see it.

And now, a Cease Fire.

We wiped out their Nuclear ambitions, and much of their military infrastructure, their leadership, and they are ready for peace.

Diplomacy by strength.

-John

[arbol]

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2551875/pakistan-nominates-trump-for-2026-nobel-peace-prize

ISLAMABAD:
The government has formally decided to recommend US President Donald Trump for the 2026 Nobel Peace Prize, praising his decisive diplomatic intervention and leadership during the recent Pakistan-India standoff, according to an official statement released Friday.

Times two?!

-John

[Aloha_Shooter]

Near the start of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", an ensign onboard the newly refit Enterprise asks about Captain Decker after Kirk announces he has taken command. Uhura tells him, "Ensign, the possibilities of our returning from this mission in one piece may... have just doubled."

The chances of China trying to take Taiwan by or in 2027 have probably shrunk by 50%, maybe 80%.

[Hummer]

.....And in a mostly symbolic manner, Iran has launched a missile attack against the Al Udeid U.S. base in Qatar (Actually, the base is owned by the Qatari's but the U.S. has the largest presence at that base.

Iran claims they launched the same number of missiles at the U.S. base as the U.S. used against them; thus the "symbolic" comment. Analysts are saying Iran only launched 1/2 as many as the U.S. used. This may be a sign that Iran is starting to run out of their ballistic missile supply.

Supposed Qatar intercepted all or most of the incoming missiles and the reports are that there were no injuries or deaths.

===============

In another note, former Russian president Medvedev has stated that because of the U.S. strike against Irans nuclear facilities, other nations (like Russia) could provide Iran with nuclear weapons. The rhetoric has begun.


And President Trump might convey through US diplomats that the USA could easily provide Ukraine with modern nuclear weapons capable of eliminating not only the Russian contingent in Ukraine, but the Kremlin and all of the Russian military including it's land based nuclear assets. Checkmate.

Don't BS the sentient world, Vladimir, Russia just got it's clock cleaned by Ukrainian drones that wiped out 34% of Russia's strategic aircraft. Next.

[eddiememphis]

When has Iran ever abided by any declaration or accord or agreement?

Do you really think that millions of militant Muslims are just going to throw down their AK's and embrace the local Jews contrary to at least a century of institutional antisemitism?

Nonsense. Ceasefires do not erase ideology.

They may have been seriously hurt but they are far from beaten. Even if Iran changes political direction, there are still plenty of militants to cause continued disruptions in the region- and across the world.

The US and Israel damaged the hornet's nest, but the hive is very much alive and exterminating all of them is incredibly difficult and unlikely.

[kidicarus13]

The chances of China trying to take Taiwan by or in 2027 have probably shrunk by 50%, maybe 80%.


Nato?secretary general?Mark Rutte?has said that?China?s ?massive??military buildup?has raised the risk of conflict over?Taiwan, potentially drawing in?Russia?and impacting European security.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/china/taiwan-strait-china-military-buildup-nato-mark-rutte-b2775651.html

[HoneyBadger]

It's certainly a complex situation but we did NOT eliminate Iran's Nuke program. I am still trying to figure out why Israel agreed to a ceasefire... they must be running short on munitions.

I wish they would have kept going.

[BushMasterBoy]

I figure they moved all the enriched bomb grade uranium to another location before the attack. I fear the best attack would have been a ground burst nuclear assault. Probably why the ODNI made the strange video. US forces could have totally destroyed the site with a nuclear weapon. Large trucks were seen on the roads near Fordow days before the strikes. I bet the Iranians dispersed what material they had enriched and an open source estimate was about 800 kilograms.


https://www.newsweek.com/iran-nuclear-strikes-us-donald-trump-fordow-satellite-imagery-unusual-activity-2088918

[Aloha_Shooter]

Nato?secretary general?Mark Rutte?has said that?China?s ?massive??military buildup?has raised the risk of conflict over?Taiwan, potentially drawing in?Russia?and impacting European security.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/china/taiwan-strait-china-military-buildup-nato-mark-rutte-b2775651.html

That’s what we’ve been assuming for the past 2 or 3 years, maybe longer. My point is that the massive display of competence porn and price paid by Iran and Russia this past month has likely given China pause.

[Hummer]

I think that president Trump made a foolish move in unilaterally declaring a cease fire, stymying the Israeli effort to destroy the Iranian nuclear assets. Those assets will survive, kicking the can down the road to become a greater threat to the USA.

[HoneyBadger]

I think that president Trump made a foolish move in unilaterally declaring a cease fire, stymying the Israeli effort to destroy the Iranian nuclear assets. Those assets will survive, kicking the can down the road to become a greater threat to the USA.

Difficult to understand. Did he want to appear as the peacemaker and shining star of this war?

By all accounts, it seemed like Israel had a complete advantage and was just pummeling Iran. The only concerning evidence was the number of missiles impacting in Israel over the last few days - potentially indicating Israel running low on interceptors which are expensive and slow to replace.

[eddiememphis]

I think that president Trump made a foolish move...


Difficult to understand. Did he want to appear as the peacemaker and shining star of this war?

It has been made abundantly clear time and time again that Donald Trump looks out for Donald Trump first and all other things are secondary. Rarely in his careers as a businessman and politician, has he shown that he is operating with an eye towards long-term outcomes.

He has already said several times that he deserves the Nobel peace prize for this, even though nothing definitive has been achieved.

As much as the Nobel committee was made fun of for awarding the prize to Barack Obama for doing nothing, apparently doing the same thing for Donald Trump would have much more meaning.

[Jer]

As much as the Nobel committee was made fun of for awarding the prize to Barack Obama for doing nothing, apparently doing the same thing for Donald Trump would have much more meaning.

To me it means nothing other then giving it to one side w/o reason makes about as much sense as giving it to the other side w/o reason.... sort of balances out the universe, so to speak.

Outside of that, despite some posts here (not this one specifically, obv) strongly indicating otherwise, none of this has an easy solve. If that were the case, it would have been solved long ago.

While this feels like a positive step on the surface, who knows what unintended consequences lurk beneath. Hopefully those, too, remain positive but we really have no way of knowing.

[Mick-Boy]

Scott Horton just gave an excellent primer on the history of the region, especially during the GWOT, in his appearance on Tucker Carlson. If you're interested in understanding things at a lightly deeper depth than "they hate us 'cause we're free" it's worth a watch/listen.

https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-scott-horton

[FoxtArt]

To me it means nothing other then giving it to one side w/o reason makes about as much sense as giving it to the other side w/o reason.... sort of balances out the universe, so to speak.

Outside of that, despite some posts here (not this one specifically, obv) strongly indicating otherwise, none of this has an easy solve. If that were the case, it would have been solved long ago.

While this feels like a positive step on the surface, who knows what unintended consequences lurk beneath. Hopefully those, too, remain positive but we really have no way of knowing.

In the words of Tuco, if you're going to shoot, shoot, don't talk.

I disagree, this was eas(ier) to solve. Unfortunately though, one of the biggest leaks we have is sitting in the white house. He wasn't some grand strategist, he telecasted his intention well in advance, and it was all over the news for about two weeks about the bunker busters, requests, their capabilities, etc... And Iran moved all of the uranium because for days all our media was talking about the potential of us striking the site, Trump even was playing the "will I or won't I" "I'm a hero that saved your leader" cards for days, and days.

If instead, he had kept his pie-hole shut and acted decisively, Iran would not have been able to repair the facility, nor use any enrinched material, because ideally it would've been heavily dispursed within the site and scattered all over their f'n mountain. He's not a brilliant strategist, he's a 3rd grader in an 80 year old body in these fields, and I agree, his biggest motivation is a peace prize, for nothing but ego. We've hardly set Iran back, because we went after enrichment capacity. They aready have enough for 9 nukes, more enrichment capacity doesn't mean much. The only reason they have a setback at all is because Isreal took out their brains.

If you're going to shoot, shoot. But twinky has to not only talk, he has to threaten, praise, insult, backtrack, threaten, reverse, praise, and threaten.

Even 85 year old Muhammed Bin Worthless had enough time to get his walker and carry all the shit out of the site.

ETA: Also if anyone is wondering why Iran "called and told Trump" where they were going to fire 14 missles and at what time, it's because they were returning the favor that Trump provided to them, by letting them know well in advance, at minimum, of where he would be attacking, and with what.

[BushMasterBoy]

Leaves earth tonite...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPagdhmBefU