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WETWRKS
09-10-2025, 13:30
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-republican-shot-utah-valley-live-updates-2127895

TEAMRICO
09-10-2025, 13:41
Your tag line says it all.

Rooskibar03
09-10-2025, 13:57
Horrible videos. Hand of God if he survives.

WETWRKS
09-10-2025, 14:06
Horrible videos. Hand of God if he survives.

Agreed. Saw a video. Does not look good at all.

SouthPaw
09-10-2025, 14:29
Thoughts and prayers for him and his family.

DDT951
09-10-2025, 15:09
RIP.

The rhetoric from the left has caused this. Two attempts at Trump. Now this. This is the left.

eddiememphis
09-10-2025, 16:09
Holy shit

Leftists are murderers

Here are some posts from Bluesky-

Suddenly Charlie Kirk is awful quiet about gun control isn't he


Kinda rings hollow that the same people condemning political violence because of the assassination of Charlie Kirk have been cheering on the mass starvation and slaughter of children in Gaza for years

Charlie Kirk wasn't killed by political violence. Charlie Kirk was killed by *gun* violence.

Charlie Kirk was a man of violence. He cheered for violence, he helped create violence. He used violent rhetoric to inspire others to violent actions. He spent his time on this earth making it a more hateful, violent place.

Better gun protection laws are needed in this country. Everyone was sending their thoughts and prayers to Charlie Kirk and that didn’t help,,,

TRnCO
09-10-2025, 16:25
Good lord. Prayers for Charlie's family.
The left is unhinged!

eddiememphis
09-10-2025, 16:28
F.B.I. Director Kash Patel said the “subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody.”

Aloha_Shooter
09-10-2025, 16:29
Holy shit

Leftists are murderers


Good lord. Prayers for Charlie's family.
The left is unhinged!

Yes, no surprise on either score.

bryjcom
09-10-2025, 16:36
Saw the video... DO NOT RECOMMEND IT...

RIP to a great thought leader. Left behind a wife and 2 small children.

Rooskibar03
09-10-2025, 16:39
So, are we done talking now?

eddiememphis
09-10-2025, 16:45
Saw the video... DO NOT RECOMMEND IT...

RIP to a great thought leader. Left behind a wife and 2 small children.

The video of him getting shot? That was nothing.

Look for the video of his little girl running across a TV studio and jumping into his arms. THAT was tough to watch.

BushMasterBoy
09-10-2025, 17:30
So any leads?

Oscar77
09-10-2025, 17:35
So any leads?

There seems to be someone in custody?
And maybe an arrest?
Some other person detained earlier wasn't the shooter?

I THINK that is where we are with this.

thedave1164
09-10-2025, 18:13
Kash just said the person of interest that was detained has been released

SouthPaw
09-10-2025, 18:27
FBI said they have a suspect in custody again. Watching the video, it appeared the bullet ricocheted off his vest and into his neck.

Edit: second suspect, released, search continues

exxonv
09-10-2025, 20:20
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bcolorado
09-10-2025, 20:56
Charlie Kirk was connecting with many young adults and was challenging many many others to think.

The lone conservative voice to the young was silenced as He was a threat...

Sawin
09-11-2025, 06:18
Charlie Kirk was connecting with many young adults and was challenging many many others to think.

The lone conservative voice to the young was silenced as He was a threat...

Correct.
Instigating people to recognize their own intellectual fallacy or emotional versus factual positions, is evidently too damaging and great a risk to the progressive movement…

thedave1164
09-11-2025, 07:09
Morning update, there is word that a bolt action 30-06 mauser rifle was recovered in the area with the spent shell still chambered, supposedly the cartridges in the rifle had some writing on them about transgenderism and anti facist ideology.
Word is that CK was answering a question about trans shooters when he was shot.

My personal belief is that this was a professional assassin, and the writing on the cartridges is meant to mislead.

eddiememphis
09-11-2025, 07:26
"We don’t yet know what motivated the person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind of despicable violence has no place in our democracy" Barak Obama

Bullshit. He wasn't murdered in robbery, revenge or passion. He was assassinated because he was an effective political speaker. The ideas he put forth are so threatening to leftists that they had to silence him.

Oscar77
09-11-2025, 07:31
Morning update, there is word that a bolt action 30-06 mauser rifle was recovered in the area with the spent shell still chambered, supposedly the cartridges in the rifle had some writing on them about transgenderism and anti facist ideology.
Word is that CK was answering a question about trans shooters when he was shot.

My personal belief is that this was a professional assassin, and the writing on the cartridges is meant to mislead.

This isnt CNN. Well there are Socialists here - surprisingly silent BTW- but how about we hold off on some gossip? This happens every time and we can wait a moment or two for accurate information.
"Was a professional assassin"........... You mean like the guys that tried to kill Pres Trump?
"... the writing on the cartridges is meant to mislead." And what does that mean? Please explain and clarify that one.

TRnCO
09-11-2025, 07:37
"Bullshit. He wasn't murdered in robbery, revenge or passion. He was assassinated because he was an effective conservative political speaker. The ideas he put forth are so threatening to leftists that they had to silence him."

Fixed it for ya!

eddiememphis
09-11-2025, 07:38
My personal belief is that this was a professional assassin, and the writing on the cartridges is meant to mislead.

HAHAHA! I'll take that bet.

Who hired him? Where did they find him? Do all these evil henchmen-for-hire have a union?

BPTactical
09-11-2025, 08:22
"We don’t yet know what motivated the person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind of despicable violence has no place in our democracy" Barak Obama


Says the motherfucker responsible for a massive amount of division in our current society.

Aloha_Shooter
09-11-2025, 08:32
So, are we done talking now?

No. Kirk's greatest impact came from the fact that he engaged in conversation even (especially?) with those who disagreed with him. His assassination is just one more example of how the victims of political violence actually end up being even stronger symbols and having even greater impact after their martyrdom.

There is nothing to be gained from political violence -- far greater to show we are reasonable and peaceful. As bad as some of the Leftist responses have been online and in the media, I've also seen responses from lifelong Democrats who have said they are done with the Democratic party after seeing those responses.

BushMasterBoy
09-11-2025, 10:16
1-800-CALL-FBI


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kidicarus13
09-11-2025, 10:26
Like most of these shootings, it takes hours/days to gather additional information, but it sounds like authorities are well on their way to identifying the shooter.

Robb
09-11-2025, 10:41
Just read the rifle they believe used was a .30 cal Mauser. Not what I was expecting.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/gun-charlie-kirk-shot-with-revealed/

TFOGGER
09-11-2025, 11:06
Just read the rifle they believe used was a .30 cal Mauser. Not what I was expecting.

Great Grampa's war relic. Perhaps the only firearm available.

Aloha_Shooter
09-11-2025, 11:14
Just read the rifle they believe used was a .30 cal Mauser. Not what I was expecting.


Great Grampa's war relic. Perhaps the only firearm available.

Or it could have been a hunting rifle the shooter felt was so old it would be untraceable. Non-shooters are the web are going nuts over the 200 yard distance but I don't think that's an unreasonable distance for a hunter. It wouldn't even surprise me if the shooter was going for a head shot and got Kirk in the jugular by mistake.

Meanwhile, the Leftists that realize they can't openly celebrate this are saying, "but what about the Minnesota couple gunned down in their home?" or "but what about the school shooting the same day?"

No need to stoop to their level. Kirk's assassination brings to mind Obi-Wan telling Vader that he'll just be stronger than ever.

def90
09-11-2025, 11:29
Just read the rifle they believe used was a .30 cal Mauser. Not what I was expecting.

Probably a Mauser hunting rifle, not the Mauser of the German army. More than likely there are a ton of Mauser hunting rifles sitting on shelves in Utah gunshops.

https://www.mauser.com/us/MAUSER-18/

WETWRKS
09-11-2025, 14:26
It wouldn't even surprise me if the shooter was going for a head shot and got Kirk in the jugular by mistake.

Possible bullet drop over distance.

bryjcom
09-11-2025, 16:36
Possible bullet drop over distance.


In the video it looks like he was hit in the bullet proof vest he was wearing and it ricocheted up and in the throat...

I'm not sure if it was soft or hard armor but another theory is that it was spalling from the plate that came up and hit him in the throat. Maybe a glancing shot that hit the edge of the plate?

Either way it looks like it was a chest shot that hit the target/plate based on how his shirt moved but unfortunately found a way to still kill him...

Fucking terrible and I'm so pissed right now.

Clint45
09-11-2025, 17:32
Just read the rifle they believe used was a .30 cal Mauser. Not what I was expecting.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/gun-charlie-kirk-shot-with-revealed/

Looks "Sporterized" and Bubbaed.

exxonv
09-11-2025, 18:58
The video is horrible, there is so much coverage of Charlie dying. What pisses me off outside of the murder/assassination (of course), are all the absolutely f'd up people out there who celebrate this crap. What the hell kind of people are they? I know it's bad, but I wish the worst for all those a-holes out there... We're off the edge as a country - it's been getting worse every decade... These people are ugly humans (I guess they're human). The a-hole who killed Charlie deserves to die a slow and painful death, and those who celebrate the loss of life deserve to die as well, but that's all in God's time and in His hands - and I while I don't really pity the fools who have it coming (maybe I should... but I can't right now), retribution and justice cannot come soon enough.

Get out there, get some lead down range, be ready, and keep'em locked and loaded... Invest in precious metal (brass and lead), make sure you carry always, and be safe out there...

Firehaus
09-11-2025, 20:13
I think people are finally waking up to the level of hate and contempt the left have for us.

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Madusa
09-11-2025, 20:15
So the video of the perp. Jumping off the roof, he has no rifle. How does the rifle make it to the forest? Spotter?

Firehaus
09-11-2025, 20:35
I saw a video of him walking to the event through a neighborhood, looked like he had a rifle in his pant leg walking stiff legged.


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def90
09-11-2025, 20:55
So the video of the perp. Jumping off the roof, he has no rifle. How does the rifle make it to the forest? Spotter?

Yeah, definitely no rifle with them when they jumped off the roof and took off. The rifle in the woods could be a completely non-related item. The question would be then where is the rifle that was used? If they didn't have it when they left the roof then what happened to it?

kidicarus13
09-11-2025, 21:25
What am I seeing in his hands as he jumps off the roof if it is not a covered Mauser?

eddiememphis
09-12-2025, 06:32
https://nypost.com/2025/09/12/us-news/we-have-him-trump-says-suspect-in-custody-for-charlie-kirk-assassination/

President Trump announced early Friday that a suspect has been arrested for Charlie Kirk's assassination.


"I think, with a high degree of certainty, we have him," Trump told 'Fox & Friends' during a live interview at the cable giant's Manhattan studio, saying he heard just minutes before his 8 a.m. interview.


"Somebody who was very close to him turned him in," the president said, saying it was relayed through "a minister who was involved with law enforcement."

Update- President Trump announced early Friday that a suspect for Charlie Kirk’s assassination was turned in by his father — with law enforcement sources telling The Post it is a 22-year-old Utah local, Tyler Robinson.

exxonv
09-12-2025, 07:28
Now the media starts the next spin cycle... It was Trump, it was the Republicans, it was the rifle, it was anything else but the hateful rhetoric that they (media) have been pushing since the 1960's....

eddiememphis
09-12-2025, 07:35
Now the media starts the next spin cycle... It was Trump, it was the Republicans, it was the rifle, it was anything else but the hateful rhetoric that they (media) have been pushing since the 1960's....

Like this?

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Complete nonsense.

The entire 'progressive' ideology is one of fear. Progressivism is built on victimhood, and victimhood on fear. Fear acted upon is violence cloaked as self defense that can and has resulted in murder.

Also, there are many instances of leftists calling for violence. These people are so blind to the words and actions of their own side it would be laughable if it wasn't so frightening.

exxonv
09-12-2025, 08:25
Like this?

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Complete nonsense.

The entire 'progressive' ideology is one of fear. Progressivism is built on victimhood, and victimhood on fear. Fear acted upon is violence cloaked as self defense that can and has resulted in murder.

Also, there are many instances of leftists calling for violence. These people are so blind to the words and actions of their own side it would be laughable if it wasn't so frightening.

Yep, totally screwed up people... What the hell happened to America... Logic, reason, and truth right out the door for these idiots... For what? Free cell phones, internet, food stamps, and enslavement... Useful idiots...

Rooskibar03
09-12-2025, 10:16
The entire 'progressive' ideology is one of fear. Progressivism is built on victimhood, and victimhood on fear. Fear acted upon is violence cloaked as self defense that can and has resulted in murder.

This right here sums it up perfectly.

eddiememphis
09-12-2025, 10:50
This right here sums it up perfectly.

Thanks for the kind words.

I see that fear manifested in many ways. The ‘Hate Has No Home Here’ sign is a perfect example—posted like a talisman by those convinced the world is filled with vile and dangerous people seeking to destroy them.

To such a mind, even words are weapons. And if words are violence, then retaliation becomes self-defense—morally justified, not evil.

That is why so many on the left celebrate violence against their political enemies: through their skewed perspective, murder is not crime but justice.

BushMasterBoy
09-12-2025, 17:37
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/who-is-anastasia-j-casey-mysterious-book-titled-the-shooting-of-charlie-kirk-raises-questions-101757618465687.html

I went digging and apparently a book was published the same day of the shooting. It was on sale at Amazon but subsequently removed. I'm not up to date on all the social media sites, so I don't understand the engraved bullets meanings. It just seems strange that a book was published. Anybody got a copy of the book?
I thought for sure the shooting was the work of a narco terror group, not a home grown boy.

BPTactical
09-12-2025, 20:20
Still think you can have a rational discussion with a liberal?*


*asking for a friend

exxonv
09-12-2025, 20:31
Oxymoron... Rational and Liberal... They almost got m daughter at CSU, but a healthy dose of Christian upbringing and her strong Christian Boyfriend (now my son-in-law, thank God) and my daughter was deprogrammed. Some of those professors are evil people...

kidicarus13
09-13-2025, 10:00
What am I seeing in his hands as he jumps off the roof if it is not a covered Mauser?FBI special-agent-in-charge Robert Bohls said Thursday that investigators recovered a "high-powered, bolt-action rifle," which they believe was the weapon used in the assassination. It was found in a wooded area where the shooter fled and was wrapped in a towel, according to Bohls. The rifle was determined to be a Mauser .30-06-caliber bolt-action rifle, according to the probable cause statement.

BushMasterBoy
09-13-2025, 13:18
I've been reading the tabloids saying the shooters roommate is transgender. I'm just trying to determine motive.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/

eddiememphis
09-14-2025, 07:56
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15096571/Trans-partner-Charlie-Kirk-killer-Tyler-Robinson.html
https://kfoxtv.com/news/nation-world/alleged-charlie-kirk-assassin-lived-with-a-transgender-partner-cooperated-with-fbi-probe
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

Axios reported that six sources familiar with the murder probe told them Robinson was romantically involved with Twiggs.
Police are reportedly investigating whether Kirk's critical comments about transgender people caused Robinson to seek revenge, in an unrequested defense of his romantic partner's honor.
A Wisconsin news site reported an interview with an unnamed member of Twiggs's family who claimed that the 22-year-old "was in the process of transitioning" and that he was dating Robinson.

More than a roommate. Multiple sources claim "partner".

I also saw one article claiming that they were part of a militant 'trans' group, similar to the Zizians and the one behind the ICE ambush in Texas, but have seen no other sources on that.

Clint45
09-15-2025, 17:08
I also saw one article claiming that they were part of a militant 'trans' group, similar to the Zizians and the one behind the ICE ambush in Texas, but have seen no other sources on that.

Data available only seems to suggest they were active on gaming, "furry," and Antifa sites.

While there did seem to be "advance knowledge" of the assassination, no real evidence of an actual conspiracy as of yet. I reckon they assumed he was all talk and were shocked he actually went through with it, but "ongoing investigation" will determine more. Apparently that "Twiggs" individual is fully cooperating with law enforcement.

BushMasterBoy
09-15-2025, 18:27
Makes me think they want some kind of war. Reminds me of the OKC bomber, a person who thinks an act of violence will bring about revolutionary change for the good of all. I perceive the LGBXYZ as he is " a straight white guy so he is the enemy" mindset. I wish the politicians would pursue equal justice of the law. I know, I'm dreaming...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70kNprNd7uU

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TEAMRICO
09-15-2025, 18:45
The belts of ammo are a nice touch……wrong caliber for the AK! But Revolution an all.

Scanker19
09-15-2025, 19:58
I love how whoever made the video censored the AK. Retard.

exxonv
09-15-2025, 20:09
https://x.com/TiffanyFong_/status/1885407521416094137?s=19

Clint45
09-16-2025, 15:36
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/who-is-anastasia-j-casey-mysterious-book-titled-the-shooting-of-charlie-kirk-raises-questions-101757618465687.html

I went digging and apparently a book was published the same day of the shooting. It was on sale at Amazon but subsequently removed. I'm not up to date on all the social media sites, so I don't understand the engraved bullets meanings. It just seems strange that a book was published. Anybody got a copy of the book?
I thought for sure the shooting was the work of a narco terror group, not a home grown boy.

This is a real problem with Amazon Kindle. An alleged "author" can ask ChatGBT to crap out a "book" within minutes. Adding to that problem is AI narration, which can turn that into an audiobook quickly. It's just AI generated trash.

Clint45
09-16-2025, 15:40
Oxymoron... Rational and Liberal...

This may seem shocking, but most of my friends are Liberal... but they are old skool GenX Liberal with the same values and ethics they had from the 1980s. The Progressive (Marxist) Left accuses them of being "Right wing" bigots and TERFs. That is how far the goalposts have moved over the past decade.

Hummer
09-17-2025, 09:18
This may seem shocking, but most of my friends are Liberal... but they are old skool GenX Liberal with the same values and ethics they had from the 1980s. The Progressive (Marxist) Left accuses them of being "Right wing" bigots and TERFs. That is how far the goalposts have moved over the past decade.

Same here, Clint. I limit political comments with liberal friends but will fervently defend 2A and hunting issues. While I've met quite a few of the marxist, so called progressives, none will be my friend.

DDT951
09-17-2025, 09:30
This may seem shocking, but most of my friends are Liberal... but they are old skool GenX Liberal with the same values and ethics they had from the 1980s. The Progressive (Marxist) Left accuses them of being "Right wing" bigots and TERFs. That is how far the goalposts have moved over the past decade.

What is a GenX Liberal ?

theGinsue
09-17-2025, 10:32
What is a GenX Liberal ?

That's be a liberal born between 1965-1980 (ish). The reference seems to indicate someone of that specific generation that maintains the more "traditional" liberal values without the extremist beliefs/attitudes/actions that are quite prevalent in the Gen Y and later generations.

Clint45
09-17-2025, 15:23
That's be a liberal born between 1965-1980 (ish). The reference seems to indicate someone of that specific generation that maintains the more "traditional" liberal values without the extremist beliefs/attitudes/actions that are quite prevalent in the Gen Y and later generations.

Boomer parents beat the stupid outta us, gave us housekeys, and left us to fend for ourselves... common sense became a survival mechanism, lol.

Kids today are raised by strangers via the smartphones they constantly gaze into, while teachers fill their heads with diversity, equity, and "it's great to cut yer tallywhacker off" nonsense.

exxonv
09-17-2025, 17:03
My parents are liberal, used to be "moderate liberal" and generally still are - however, media has influenced them so greatly they are at best, confused liberals. They are anti more than two gender, they are anti censorship, pro 2nd amendment, but they hate anything Trump, they hated Musk, they hate all the cabinet picks, etc., and they believed there was an insurrection and Biden won fair and square. They argue with me about why I could support anything "Republican", even ask me how I, as a professed Christian, could support such people... The last time I voted Democrat was for Bill Clinton's first term, I was young, influenced by the media, didn't really talk about it in the USAF (politics), and made my decision based on the lies that man told... Now, I vote Republican/Conservative 100% of the time, not because I support every Republican politician or Conservative idea, but because I believe in the Constitution, and I am pro 1st and 2nd amendment. Generally liberal in that I really don't give a crap who you sleep with, what your background is, or who you vote for, but I don't want you to take MY rights or those of my family away. Growing up in the late 70's and 80's, I would've believed myself to be more "moderate liberal" - but today, I'd be classified as a bible thumping, gun toting deplorable who loves 80's and 90's metal LOL!!!

eddiememphis
09-17-2025, 17:33
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/17/charlie-kirk-jimmy-kimmel-abc-disney.html

ABC said it was pulling the 'Jimmy Kimmel Live!' show off the air 'indefinitely' after controversial comments by its host about the slain conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

"The MAGA Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it," Kimmel said.
"In between the finger-pointing, there was grieving," he added.


Cancel culture lives.

Or, is it just a convenient excuse for getting rid of a $16 million a year contract?

exxonv
09-17-2025, 17:44
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/17/charlie-kirk-jimmy-kimmel-abc-disney.html

ABC said it was pulling the 'Jimmy Kimmel Live!' show off the air 'indefinitely' after controversial comments by its host about the slain conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

"The MAGA Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it," Kimmel said.
"In between the finger-pointing, there was grieving," he added.


Cancel culture lives.

Or, is it just a convenient excuse for getting rid of a $16 million a year contract?

I'm all for getting rid of that a-hole, but damn... Freedom of speech doesn't protect him on a show, though it's a fine line... They allowed a lot of other crap to come out of his upper orifice... I'd say it's a convenient excuse to go back on the $16m a year deal - damn, that guy ain't worth $16m a year IMO.

exxonv
09-17-2025, 17:46
Which leads to this thought - if this administration keeps paving the way for cancel culture, how much more does that empower the Left if they ever get the office back... 99363

eddiememphis
09-17-2025, 18:03
Which leads to this thought - if this administration keeps paving the way for cancel culture, how much more does that empower the Left if they ever get the office back...

Exactly.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/09/pam-bondi-first-amendment-charlie-kirk/684224/
Pam Bondi stated that the federal government will “go after” Americans “if you are targeting anyone with hate speech.”

Fentonite
09-17-2025, 22:15
My parents are liberal, used to be "moderate liberal" and generally still are - however, media has influenced them so greatly they are at best, confused liberals. They are anti more than two gender, they are anti censorship, pro 2nd amendment, but they hate anything Trump, they hated Musk, they hate all the cabinet picks, etc., and they believed there was an insurrection and Biden won fair and square. They argue with me about why I could support anything "Republican", even ask me how I, as a professed Christian, could support such people... The last time I voted Democrat was for Bill Clinton's first term, I was young, influenced by the media, didn't really talk about it in the USAF (politics), and made my decision based on the lies that man told... Now, I vote Republican/Conservative 100% of the time, not because I support every Republican politician or Conservative idea, but because I believe in the Constitution, and I am pro 1st and 2nd amendment. Generally liberal in that I really don't give a crap who you sleep with, what your background is, or who you vote for, but I don't want you to take MY rights or those of my family away. Growing up in the late 70's and 80's, I would've believed myself to be more "moderate liberal" - but today, I'd be classified as a bible thumping, gun toting deplorable who loves 80's and 90's metal LOL!!!


wow - that's exactly me (except for the Clinton part). It drives me crazy - my folks raised me to think for myself, and my 80 year-old dad is still Superman to me, but I believe they were so indoctrinated that "Dan Rather doesn't lie" (or some such trust in the press), that they aren't open to exercising the free thought that they taught me. They supported me fervently when I joined the Marines, and Dad said "Give 'em hell" when the desert called. But they think Trump is the devil and any incursion of force he orders must be a crime. Not even open for discussion. Personally, I consider myself a patriot of the country we are meant to be, and primarily, a "freedom guy", typically adhering to the idea of individual freedom balanced with personal responsibility.

And did you know that Sirius radio has a 24/7 Metallica station, and a channel named "Ozzy's Boneyard", playing all the metal bands you remember from high school?

Oscar77
09-17-2025, 23:31
Which leads to this thought - if this administration keeps paving the way for cancel culture, how much more does that empower the Left if they ever get the office back... 99363

They already played that game and we survived.
Thats why President Trump is in power.

exxonv
09-18-2025, 06:39
wow - that's exactly me (except for the Clinton part). It drives me crazy - my folks raised me to think for myself, and my 80 year-old dad is still Superman to me, but I believe they were so indoctrinated that "Dan Rather doesn't lie" (or some such trust in the press), that they aren't open to exercising the free thought that they taught me. They supported me fervently when I joined the Marines, and Dad said "Give 'em hell" when the desert called. But they think Trump is the devil and any incursion of force he orders must be a crime. Not even open for discussion. Personally, I consider myself a patriot of the country we are meant to be, and primarily, a "freedom guy", typically adhering to the idea of individual freedom balanced with personal responsibility.

And did you know that Sirius radio has a 24/7 Metallica station, and a channel named "Ozzy's Boneyard", playing all the metal bands you remember from high school?

Sorry to hear that - sounds like our folks have been unduly influenced by CNN, the two BCs and BS (CNN, NBC, ABC, and CBS)... It's a damn shame. I was brought up to respect my elders, love my folks - it's just sad. Woke culture came after my two children (both adults now and very conservative, thankfully). I doubt neither of them would fall for a "Clinton" like I did back in the day...

Yes, Metallica 24x7 - my son actually told me about it first (before launch) - love that channel!!

BPTactical
09-18-2025, 13:43
Exactly.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/09/pam-bondi-first-amendment-charlie-kirk/684224/
Pam Bondi stated that the federal government will ?go after? Americans ?if you are targeting anyone with hate speech.?


Turnabout is bitch eh?
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rfenster
09-19-2025, 18:54
We went to his vigil/memorial last night at Canvas Stadium in Fort Collins.

It was very nice and was VERY well attended.

eddiememphis
09-19-2025, 21:12
9news says 7000 people attended the "far-right wing activist" memorial. Then they went on about hundreds at the counter-event where people got to debate democratic creators and influencers.

exxonv
09-19-2025, 21:27
We are behind the lines here...

exxonv
09-19-2025, 21:29
We went to his vigil/memorial last night at Canvas Stadium in Fort Collins.

It was very nice and was VERY well attended.

Brave Church had one last Sunday, it was great to be there.

rfenster
09-19-2025, 23:20
Brave Church had one last Sunday, it was great to be there.

That is good to hear, we might be visiting Brave Church soon.

My Lutheran Church didn't mention Charlie Kirk's name once last Sunday. Not during pre-service, not during the sermon, nor during the Prayers of the Church. Mentioned 'the assassination' once during the prayers though.

I heard from the senior pastor after I submitted a prayer request for his family for this Sunday...that he felt that they covered 'the assassination' last week.

I met with a junior pastor on Wednesday....I thought that the discussion went well, but am wondering after crickets since then.

I'll see about the temperature after 7am Men's bible study tomorrow/Saturday morning...

exxonv
09-20-2025, 09:26
That is good to hear, we might be visiting Brave Church soon.

My Lutheran Church didn't mention Charlie Kirk's name once last Sunday. Not during pre-service, not during the sermon, nor during the Prayers of the Church. Mentioned 'the assassination' once during the prayers though.

I heard from the senior pastor after I submitted a prayer request for his family for this Sunday...that he felt that they covered 'the assassination' last week.

I met with a junior pastor on Wednesday....I thought that the discussion went well, but am wondering after crickets since then.

I'll see about the temperature after 7am Men's bible study tomorrow/Saturday morning...

Calvary Castle Rock talked about it on Saturday's Service, Brave had the memorial, but I've heard several area church pastors avoided it, which I just can't understand. Of course, since we are "behind the lines" here, there is fear.

Victor Marx announced he might run for Colorado Gov - didn't know much about him, but he'd be a major upgrade over the current IMO.

theGinsue
09-20-2025, 11:13
Calvary Castle Rock talked about it on Saturday's Service, Brave had the memorial, but I've heard several area church pastors avoided it, which I just can't understand. Of course, since we are "behind the lines" here, there is fear.

Victor Marx announced he might run for Colorado Gov - didn't know much about him, but he'd be a major upgrade over the current IMO.



Pastors refusing to discuss the murder of a Christian voice is unacceptable but falls in line with the watered down preaching too many are given to offer these days. They're more concerned with maintaining a large congregation and filling the tithe box than they are of actually preaching the Word of God with any conviction. People are starting to notice this now after the Kirk slaying and many folks are looking for new church homes.

I still don't know much about Victor Marx, but I did see a video he posted recently about how one of his daughters was assaulted and how they'd caught the perpetrator. Not clear on whether or not he's a pastor, but he is involved with Christian ministry. Considered a "master" in various forms of martial arts and a former Marine, this guy seems to know how to handle himself. These are good skills if he plans to run for CO governor as I think he'll be painting a target on his back. I greatly appreciate what I've seen of his values but the left (and even many on the right) will feel he's a threat.

According to BallotPedia (https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_gubernatorial_election,_2026_(June_30_Rep ublican_primary) ), there are currently 17 individuals (without Victor Marx) listed as GOP candidates for the 2026 governors election. Hopefully, most of these peter away long before we reach primary season. Before Victor Marx showed up on my CO political radar, I had been looking at giving Jason Clark my vote. I think either of these candidates would be good strong choices to get CO back to where we need to be. [Disclaimer: Unless we can get some control back in the state legislature, a conservative governor would see limited success in correcting the course of this state).

buffalobo
09-21-2025, 13:51
Watching Charlie Kirk memorial from Glendale. Broadcasters claiming 100,000 people in attendance.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim

flogger
09-21-2025, 14:12
Watching as well, I switched to CNN to see what they were airing and was surprised that they are covering it live! Some of those speakers are really fired up, I expect to see James Brown singing with the choir and John Belushi doing handsprings on the stage! Just kidding.

Amazing turnout and very well-done presentation/celebration. He will be missed. Waiting to see how Trump does with the crowd.

sampson
09-21-2025, 14:12
Watching Charlie Kirk memorial from Glendale. Broadcasters claiming 100,000 people in attendance.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim"Overall estimates indicate more than 200,000 people attended or attempted to attend the event, making it one of the largest such gatherings in U.S. history?surpassing even the funerals of figures like John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. in scale." I wonder what the real number is?

exxonv
09-21-2025, 14:52
Watching as well, I switched to CNN to see what they were airing and was surprised that they are covering it live! Some of those speakers are really fired up, I expect to see James Brown singing with the choir and John Belushi doing handsprings on the stage! Just kidding.

Amazing turnout and very well-done presentation/celebration. He will be missed. Waiting to see how Trump does with the crowd.

We've been watching, quite impressive! There has to be quite a number of folks. Pretty amazing.

exxonv
09-21-2025, 17:09
Watching as well, I switched to CNN to see what they were airing and was surprised that they are covering it live! Some of those speakers are really fired up, I expect to see James Brown singing with the choir and John Belushi doing handsprings on the stage! Just kidding.

Amazing turnout and very well-done presentation/celebration. He will be missed. Waiting to see how Trump does with the crowd.

What did you think?

eddiememphis
09-21-2025, 17:49
Think they'll force the tranny lover to watch it in jail, or would that be cruel and unusual punishment?

exxonv
09-21-2025, 17:55
Think they'll force the tranny lover to watch it in jail, or would that be cruel and unusual punishment?
Held in Utah? They probably did.

flogger
09-21-2025, 19:34
What did you think?

I thought the whole thing was great, His wife's eulogy was very powerful, what a strong lady! I liked Don jrs impression of Dad, it was perfectly timed, and the President outdid himself again.

I can't wait to see what the left is going to bitch about.

exxonv
09-21-2025, 19:45
I thought the whole thing was great, His wife's eulogy was very powerful, what a strong lady! I liked Don jrs impression of Dad, it was perfectly timed, and the President outdid himself again.

I can't wait to see what the left is going to bitch about.

Yep, loved all that, and thought the same about Erika Kirk, she was exceptional. President Trump was clearly not ready to forgive, but hell, they tried to kill him twice, so I get it...

Oscar77
09-21-2025, 21:15
FWIW:
The Fort Collins memorial was, I thought, well attended and (I wont name names) one speaker was so/so, another was quite powerful.
What struck me was the number of younger and many obviously College "kids" in attendance.

exxonv
09-21-2025, 21:25
FWIW:
The Fort Collins memorial was, I thought, well attended and (I wont name names) one speaker was so/so, another was quite powerful.
What struck me was the number of younger and many obviously College "kids" in attendance.

My hope is that the youth in our nation are waking up to the lies...

eddiememphis
09-22-2025, 08:14
The number of kids on college campuses that lean conservative are likely to be encouraged to be less silent than they have been, having feared the consequences of the last decade or so.

I do think that those that are on the fence politically, and have their eyes open, will see the clear message put forth yesterday, and over the past week, that conservatives celebrate life while leftists celebrate death.

eddiememphis
09-22-2025, 09:28
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kirk-assassins-alleged-gun-was-powerful-vintage-hard-trace-rcna231334


Charlie Kirk assassin's alleged gun was powerful, vintage and hard to trace

The alleged use of such a vintage weapon has raised fears among some former federal agents of the potential for other would-be assassins to seek out these powerful, accurate and hard-to-trace firearms.

The authorities have not revealed how they believe Robinson’s grandfather obtained the gun or whether they were able to successfully trace it.

The last line has me scratching my head. If it was the grandfather's rifle, why would they need to trace it further?

They also claim that the M98 was originally an 8 mm but was re-barreled for a more powerful cartridge.

Isn't an 8 mm Mauser and a .30-06 pretty similar ballistically?

FoxtArt
09-22-2025, 10:03
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kirk-assassins-alleged-gun-was-powerful-vintage-hard-trace-rcna231334


Charlie Kirk assassin's alleged gun was powerful, vintage and hard to trace

The alleged use of such a vintage weapon has raised fears among some former federal agents of the potential for other would-be assassins to seek out these powerful, accurate and hard-to-trace firearms.

The authorities have not revealed how they believe Robinson?s grandfather obtained the gun or whether they were able to successfully trace it.

The last line has me scratching my head. If it was the grandfather's rifle, why would they need to trace it further?

They also claim that the M98 was originally an 8 mm but was re-barreled for a more powerful cartridge.

Isn't an 8 mm Mauser and a .30-06 pretty similar ballistically?

Yehp. At least this helps to show the fudds that they really would come after grandpa's bolt action after everything else.... if they could.

TRnCO
09-22-2025, 10:15
watched the whole memorial yesterday. Was very impressed in that fact that it was very well done and to think actually all organized in not much more than a week.

The only thing I would've changed is that I think Trump should've spoken before Erika and he shoulda kept it shorter and more on point.
Erika is one strong woman. God give her strength.

Don Jr. was great.

eddiememphis
09-22-2025, 17:15
https://www.foxnews.com/media/disney-announces-jimmy-kimmel-live-returning-tuesday-after-suspension

And he's back!

ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" will return on Tuesday after a brief suspension, The Walt Disney Company has announced.

"Last Wednesday, we made the decision to suspend production on the show to avoid further inflaming a tense situation at an emotional moment for our country. It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive. We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday," a Disney spokesperson told Fox News Digital.

He is going to see his best ratings ever as people tune in to see what the smug prick is going to whine about.

Then Wednesday will be back to the same old not funny grabage.

Scanker19
09-22-2025, 17:23
It’s like herpes. It never really goes away and you don’t date chicks that like it.

TRnCO
09-22-2025, 20:48
"ill timed"
Yeah that was the problem with his comments

exxonv
09-22-2025, 20:54
watched the whole memorial yesterday. Was very impressed in that fact that it was very well done and to think actually all organized in not much more than a week.

The only thing I would've changed is that I think Trump should've spoken before Erika and he shoulda kept it shorter and more on point.
Erika is one strong woman. God give her strength.

Don Jr. was great.

Agree 100%

exxonv
09-22-2025, 20:58
https://www.foxnews.com/media/disney-announces-jimmy-kimmel-live-returning-tuesday-after-suspension

And he's back!

ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" will return on Tuesday after a brief suspension, The Walt Disney Company has announced.

"Last Wednesday, we made the decision to suspend production on the show to avoid further inflaming a tense situation at an emotional moment for our country. It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive. We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday," a Disney spokesperson told Fox News Digital.

He is going to see his best ratings ever as people tune in to see what the smug prick is going to whine about.

Then Wednesday will be back to the same old not funny grabage.

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TRnCO
09-23-2025, 07:37
I guess WD doesn't mind bleeding profits.

eddiememphis
09-23-2025, 08:02
I guess WD doesn't mind bleeding profits.

We'll see.

There was a letter signed by 400 Hollywood types condemning Kimmel's suspension. I'm sure some of them threaten to never work with Disney or any of its properties again. That could be a pretty potent lever for someone in the entertainment business.

I read Sinclair, which owns 60 ABC stations, is still refusing to air the show. So now the show will be losing even more money.

He will finish his contract and his contract will not be renewed, citing poor revenue generation.

BushMasterBoy
09-23-2025, 10:07
There is a saying on Wall Street, "buy the hype, sell the fact". I never heard of Charlie Kirk before the shooting. If you kill one of Trumps friends, you have made a fatal mistake. And thats a fact.

theGinsue
09-23-2025, 10:20
https://www.foxnews.com/media/disney-announces-jimmy-kimmel-live-returning-tuesday-after-suspension

And he's back!

ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" will return on Tuesday after a brief suspension, The Walt Disney Company has announced.

"Last Wednesday, we made the decision to suspend production on the show to avoid further inflaming a tense situation at an emotional moment for our country. It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive. We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday," a Disney spokesperson told Fox News Digital.


Oh come on, it's not like they didn't give Roseanne Barr "thoughtful conversations" and then return her to TV after her comments.... er, oh wait, NOPE, Disney removed her permanently.

The difference is her comments came from someone on the right.

Clint45
09-23-2025, 17:25
Oh come on, it's not like they didn't give Roseanne Barr "thoughtful conversations" and then return her to TV after her comments.... er, oh wait, NOPE, Disney removed her permanently.

The difference is her comments came from someone on the right.

*sigh*

I liked Roseanne Barr.

Then her and her creepy husband decided to stage a fake kidnapping as a publicity stunt.

Shortly thereafter, during an interview, she went on an insane rant about how many world leaders were shapeshifting reptilian aliens... and she was not joking either.

Mental illness can be very sad.

exxonv
09-23-2025, 17:48
*sigh*

I liked Roseanne Barr.

Then her and her creepy husband decided to stage a fake kidnapping as a publicity stunt.

Shortly thereafter, during an interview, she went on an insane rant about how many world leaders were shapeshifting reptilian aliens... and she was not joking either.

Mental illness can be very sad.

Wait, they are NOT shapeshifting reptilian aliens?

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FoxtArt
09-24-2025, 10:45
The thing about rights, is we can only claim to champion them if they are protected when we strongly disagree with the people that are currently using them. That was one of many messages that Kirk shared.

Kirk was a good man, whom was civil and could respectfully debate opposing viewpoints, and take critisim in stride.

Our POTUS is a disgrace in comparison.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115256938634035559

Imagine instead of Trump, this is Obama, or Biden trying to get a specific show removed from Fox news, threatning to use the FCC to take them off the air because they are the "arm of the RNC".

I believe Kirk would be quite shocked at the latest moves by DJT.

Does Kimmel suck? Absolutely. But, POTUS is proving all of these talk show hosts correct by this stupidity.

exxonv
09-24-2025, 12:30
The thing about rights, is we can only claim to champion them if they are protected when we strongly disagree with the people that are currently using them. That was one of many messages that Kirk shared.

Kirk was a good man, whom was civil and could respectfully debate opposing viewpoints, and take critisim in stride.

Our POTUS is a disgrace in comparison.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115256938634035559

Imagine instead of Trump, this is Obama, or Biden trying to get a specific show removed from Fox news, threatning to use the FCC to take them off the air because they are the "arm of the RNC".

I believe Kirk would be quite shocked at the latest moves by DJT.

Does Kimmel suck? Absolutely. But, POTUS is proving all of these talk show hosts correct by this stupidity.

Google made it clear yesterday that the Biden Administration pushed them to censorship https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/google-admits-censorship-under-biden-promises-end-bans-youtube-accounts, and the same is probable for Facebook and other social media platforms.

Obama was slick, I'd even say treacherous in how he two-faced what he said vs. what he did - Biden, he allowed his administration to run amok - they weaponized the DOJ and other agencies even further than the Obama Administration.

Initially, I'd have agreed with you - how far is too far - but in retrospect, the left has ALREADY GONE THERE, so there is no fair playing field.

I'm not so sure you are right about how Kirk would feel - spend some time watching his podcasts, maybe he would have had a different approach, but I'm not so sure he'd have been "quite shocked" by the latest moves.

Last thing - if the left had tried to kill me twice, you can bet I'd be a bit more fired up. They censored President Trump, they came after him legally, they tried to ruin his businesses, and they tried to kill him. If they'd done that to any of us, would we be able to "fly above it all"? I can tell you I would struggle to take the highroad FOR SURE.

FoxtArt
09-24-2025, 20:07
Google made it clear yesterday that the Biden Administration pushed them to censorship https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/google-admits-censorship-under-biden-promises-end-bans-youtube-accounts, and the same is probable for Facebook and other social media platforms.

Obama was slick, I'd even say treacherous in how he two-faced what he said vs. what he did - Biden, he allowed his administration to run amok - they weaponized the DOJ and other agencies even further than the Obama Administration.

Initially, I'd have agreed with you - how far is too far - but in retrospect, the left has ALREADY GONE THERE, so there is no fair playing field.

I'm not so sure you are right about how Kirk would feel - spend some time watching his podcasts, maybe he would have had a different approach, but I'm not so sure he'd have been "quite shocked" by the latest moves.

Last thing - if the left had tried to kill me twice, you can bet I'd be a bit more fired up. They censored President Trump, they came after him legally, they tried to ruin his businesses, and they tried to kill him. If they'd done that to any of us, would we be able to "fly above it all"? I can tell you I would struggle to take the highroad FOR SURE.

The pesky thing about rights is it matters naught who wants to trample them. If the justification for trampling is because other people trample, then they are all cut from the same cloth. That is something Kirk understood.

Because people support POTUS, they rationalize this which is CLEARLY against longstanding mores supposedly held by us all.

POTUS is a Trojan horse that has steered the party into a direction that ends in the wreckage of a once admirable platform. Whether or not he has his personal vendettas does not justify the true losses to the values once held.

In any event, RIP Kirk. He would've made for an influential and successful politician.

Oscar77
09-24-2025, 21:43
The pesky thing about rights is it matters naught who wants to trample them. If the justification for trampling is because other people trample, then they are all cut from the same cloth. That is something Kirk understood.

Because people support POTUS, they rationalize this which is CLEARLY against longstanding mores supposedly held by us all.

POTUS is a Trojan horse that has steered the party into a direction that ends in the wreckage of a once admirable platform. Whether or not he has his personal vendettas does not justify the true losses to the values once held.

In any event, RIP Kirk. He would've made for an influential and successful politician.

Fair enough but you are maybe? ignoring? the point he's making.
To use your words, President Trump wasnt the one who initially steered the Nation and it's political parties into a direction that ends in the wreckage of a once admirable platform.
That began with the likes of Hilary, Obama and Biden.
They started this civil war we are in now, he is merely fighting back.
And he is using the same tools they use/d.

So if you lement the fact that Pres Trump is amoral/immoral/illegal -- choose your word/s for him- consider the fact that he's a product of their actions.
He wouldn't even be a notable figure at all if they hadn't screwed this country up so bad that he was/is/continues to be a viable and effective leader of our Nation.

Even more ironic to your comments is the fact that right now- former VP Harris is pimping her book.
How that (her Presidential run) unfolded was a horrendous violation of democratic function and principle.
And have you actually read some of what she is saying?
My God, it confirms how badly the Dems screwed this up.
But you are soley focused on Pres Trump and his misdeeds?

No, he's stuck cleaning up this big turd pile of a Country left by them.
And no, it's not pretty but he's working on it.

Oscar77
09-24-2025, 22:17
PS:

Sir. with respect, I'm curious to hear your response to a question:
Progressives and certainly Socialist/Communists by their nature and purpose are seeking change. And by their doctrine, if they cant get that change peacefully, they do so with violence.
And they have been doing just that for 8? 10? years now.
With Mr Kirks assassination though they have reached a new level of violence.
He wasnt, say, Trump or an ICE Officer, or somehow a Soldier in this war.
He was a man of words and discussion.
But they murdered him anyways.
You bring up "....longstanding mores supposedly held by us all......" so is this ready acceptance and justification of Murder one of the "mores" held by Democrats?

Oscar77
09-24-2025, 23:25
Another PS:
Foxtart:

I'm curious to get your thoughts on an obvious analogy:
Lets say our discussion gets out of hand, and I begin attacking you personally on this forum. And instead of "letting it go" I continue attacking you and make what might be false claims of say you being a Child Molester or that you beat your SO or something. What if I go so far as to "out you" and put your real name and address on this forum. What if I approach your work and bring them into this fight I have with you. What if I attack your family. And then as you are walking out of your house, someone comes up, calls you a Child Molester and shoots you dead.
Is it immoral or illegal for the Moderators to step in and either delete my comments, warn me to stop or ban me for my comments?
Is it immoral or illegal for your family to question or maybe sue this forum for allowing it?
Is it immoral for your family to be upset that some online argument over nothing led to your death?

FoxtArt
09-25-2025, 08:10
It's clear you will always be a supporter of his. I don't want to derail this thread.

By the "mores previously held by us all" I mean conservatives. And by waste, I mean that party.

Your argument boils down to conservatives should do all the same things progressives do, to "fight them". There used to be a concept of "higher ground" and "morals". Decorum and mutual respect. If you claimed to champion rights, you also respected them.

It used to be that someone that religious backers strongly supported also generally exemplified their morals.

Erika's message was good. Trump's was not, he even backended and injected disproven autism conspiracy BS into what was supposed to be a funeral.

Final point: The party is no longer about values held, rights preserved, and conserving budget (which Trump also does not do, as I warned we are spending more month over month than prior years).

The party is reduced to a simple cult of personality for Trump. Whatever happens, must be entirely excused or justified. It works for today, but it likely causes irreversable damage going forward.

Oscar77
09-25-2025, 18:00
It's clear you will always be a supporter of his. I don't want to derail this thread.

By the "mores previously held by us all" I mean conservatives. And by waste, I mean that party.

Your argument boils down to conservatives should do all the same things progressives do, to "fight them". There used to be a concept of "higher ground" and "morals". Decorum and mutual respect. If you claimed to champion rights, you also respected them.

It used to be that someone that religious backers strongly supported also generally exemplified their morals.

Erika's message was good. Trump's was not, he even backended and injected disproven autism conspiracy BS into what was supposed to be a funeral.

Final point: The party is no longer about values held, rights preserved, and conserving budget (which Trump also does not do, as I warned we are spending more month over month than prior years).

The party is reduced to a simple cult of personality for Trump. Whatever happens, must be entirely excused or justified. It works for today, but it likely causes irreversable damage going forward.

Sir:
Thank you for responding.
My comments about the Dems/Progressives/Communists are not my argument but observations of them. And as far as them- as a group- their "decorum and mutual respect" went "out the window" a LONG time ago. Mainly it started with Bush Jr and it has become more and more violent and outright disgusting. Of course only their ardent- I'll say delusional- followers believe that they remain somehow the standard of doing what is Right and Just. And most certainly they are NOT the defenders of the Constitution.
And that is also why they- many of them- have literally cheered Kirks assassination.
As far as the Republicans they as a group have NOT followed the Dems lead. They are and have been, as most conservatives are by nature, more reserved and methodical in pushing back of the Dems nonsense. Thats why they are winning elections.
I'll agree with you on two things.
I wish Pres Trump would act or more importantly talk like the President of the greatest nation on Earth. His trash talking is annoying and a distraction.
But unlike you I look past it and understand that he is talking to the VERY people who tried to literally destroy him thru lies and falsehoods.
I also agree that, right or wrong, he has taken over the Republican party and there doesn't seem to any internal opposition to him. But to his credit, despite his mouth, he has delivered and so what can they do?

But back on the murder of Mr Kirk. The point remains: He was murdered due to his views and comments. Fueled by the endless violent and disgusting encouragement from the Left. Name someone, anyone, who was murdered by the Right in the same manner.
So if you want to use your words...... The Conservatives still have the Moral upper ground you seek, not the Dems.
And like wise people like the President trying to hold people accountable for their comments which are nothing more than hate filled propaganda isn't an assault on free speech or the Constitution.
It's doing what was long ago established under the "code of ethics" you long for again: "mutual respect" you call it.
Or what I'll call having the moral decency to understand that your words have meaning and actions attached to them. So you ARE responsible for words said.
And so 100% you have freedom of speech here but you also bear the responsibly of what happens due to the words spoken.
And that was established in America LONG before Trump.
But as with all this the Dems dont care, so its left to the Conservatives to hold them to account for their words.
So on that, the Conservatives remain on the higher ground, not the Dems.

HoneyBadger
09-26-2025, 07:19
This whole situation makes me mad as hell. A good and virtuous man was murdered for believing most of the same things that I believe. Why was he murdered instead of me? Because he mattered more. He was having a bigger impact. He was an intellectual threat that the left couldn't defeat with reason and debate - so they killed him.

I came across this video last week that really has me thinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=azE7nqqQMmo

I appreciate the perspective, but I don't 100% buy into the "rich elites are doing this to keep the peasants under control" thing.

My take is (and has been for several years now) that there is a strange effect inherent in the system during this age of information where media of all types are rewarded for extreme and outlandish clickbait titles and content while happy good news stories are effectively punished because extreme/shocking titles and articles garner more clicks and more ad revenue than the story about the everyday guy or gal who did a nice human thing and helped their neighbor. The system is vicious and amplifies itself to the most extreme outcomes possible.

I don't know if it's a weird collision between Capitalism and the information age, or truly a devious scheme by billionaire pedophiles who seek to control everyone. I simply don't know.

I do know that it's incredibly toxic and does not lead to anything good, which is why several years ago I stopped watching "the news" and I only on average (maybe 5-10 mins once a day as I'm drinking my morning coffee?) check a few sites (WSJ, CNN, and Drudge are my preferred 3) to see if anything is happening in the world.

I have gravitated more toward using FirstAlert by Dataminr to key me into significant events happening around the world, and I try to seriously limit my time reading news. I rarely, if ever, watch cable news. I grew up watching it every night after dinner... first the big national programs, followed by the "local news at 8!" and as I got older, I just got so disheartened and disgusted that I stopped watching it. I've realized that I'm much happier not being plugged in all the time.

I admit it. I am willfully ignorant when it comes to pop culture and social crazes or who I am supposed to hate.... and I am quite happy with that.

theGinsue
09-26-2025, 09:00
HoneyBadger, that has got to be one of the most heartfelt responses - without hatred and bitterness - I've heard since this whole thing happened.

We live in an age where anger, fear and aggression have become the norm. As you pointed out, it dominates the news cycles and can easily pervade every part of us. The only real option to avoiding becoming consumed by it is to avoid it as much as possible. This would result in a certain level of ignorance, which can be blissful but can also keep from falling into the trap of divisiveness that's permeating everything.

BushMasterBoy
09-26-2025, 09:44
This is probably the next technique for an assassin. Drone carries a rifle. With AI you can probably even let it loose and forget about it. Hell forget the gun, just spray VX nerve agent.


https://www.sandboxx.us/news/military-affairs/the-ar-1-the-drone-that-can-fire-an-assault-rifle/

BPTactical
09-26-2025, 10:12
https://i.imgur.com/QWIgtGW.png

Firehaus
09-26-2025, 10:19
Has anyone else watched the exploding microphone video that is floating around social media?


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