Greenland!

[funkymonkey1111]

I'm as big a Trump supporter as there is, but this Greenland narrative being put out by the administration seems truly unhinged.

Bomb Iran? No problem--an unstable islamo-terror funder. Grab Maduro? Sure, he's a narcoterrorist under indictment.

But wanting to "buy" Greenland when it isn't for sale, and continuing to state that military action is not "off the table" is unseemly. There will always be support in the US for the just fight--we, the "good guys" against evil. But does Dunroe think that there is going to be popular support for miliary action against a peaceable territory controlled by a NATO ally? It borders on the absurd.

Who knows? Maybe there's some method to the madness, but I sure am missing part of the plan here.

What say you?

[ruthabagah]

Anything to detract from the release of the epstein files


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[mb504]

Anything to detract from the release of the epstein files


The guys in the military that are on the frontline of a distraction are the ones in the worst place to be.

[BushMasterBoy]

I flew over Greenland a few years ago. It would be a great place for a prison. If you managed to escape, large white bears will eat you.

Seriously,unless the island is critical to fighting a war with space aliens, leave it alone.

There used to be a saying in the Air Force, you screw up and they send you to Thule Air Base.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituffik_Space_Base

[10x]

I really don't understand this. We already have a base there. Why irritate Denmark and the rest of Europe for this? There are other defense issues that should be resolved.

[BushMasterBoy]

Probably some large oil company/mining conglomerate found some values in resources. Or the IC says Russia has some plans for Greenland. I spent a lot of time in the UK and the European Royals controlled British Petroleum (BP). They were granted concessions in the Royal Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The US and its 100 billion dollar intelligence community have huge data gathering resources, so there is no telling what they know about Greenland. Over 800,000 square miles of untapped resources is huge.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company

[theGinsue]

If the administration continues talking this nonsense we can say goodbye to POGO (the Unclass callsign for the DoD Satellite Control Network (SCN) antenna site). The visibility/coverage POGO provides for U.S. satellite's in necessary for our national and for allied national security. If the rhetoric continues, I suspect Greenland will kick us out of Pituffik Space Base, formerly known as Thule Air Base. We really don't want that.

I liken this talk of acquiring Greenland to China's talk of taking over Taiwan. It doesn't sit well with Greenland any more than China's talk sits well with Taiwan. Even worse, it looks bad on the international scene.

Clearly we're missing a huge piece to the global picture in what's behind all of this talk and I absolutely hope it isn't about exploiting natural resources.

[Firehaus]

I keep reading that the Arctic sea ice is melting and that Arctic corridor needs to be protected.

Also, seems to be a race to lock up rare earth minerals, which Greenland has.

Anyone remember the Amero Coin?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_monetary_union


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[FoxtArt]

Imho the primary concern is Russian exploitation and advantage in the Arctic...

But we already have agreements with Denmark, it doesn't really matter if Greenland is "ours" to counter that.

So, it's most likely EGO, wanting to carve the name Trump into some land somewhere and call it the "Trump's Greeniana Purchase", while also, yes, distracting from disasters that the admin doesn't want people to go mining deeper into, and also intentionally appearing to be a loose cannon internationally, kind of like the crazy guy in a latin gang, e.g. don't mess with Trump Mange, or mention Epstein, he might just invade London, instead invest in his crypto currency and curry favors like Indonesia and a few other countries, cause he crazy mange.

I don't think he has any actual intent of military action in Greenland. It's all BS.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDzpzYzp9HE

[battlemidget]

Thule is ~6deg closer to the pole than Bardufoss.

[bellavite1]

The way I see it WE don't have to worry about upsetting Denmark and Europe.

THEY need to worry about not upsetting us.

They need us, NOT the opposite.

Dod I mention I am from Europe?

[TRnCO]

hoping we make it a US territory


so I can go hunt Musk Ox without needing a passport:)

[BushMasterBoy]

Probably about the fishing! I remember several years ago, I went to Red Lobster and ordered the Fish & Chips. I was told it was taken off the menu. UK and Denmark had some squabble about the catch. I do like me some cod. Cod has been almost depleted is my understanding. I guess I will just have a hotdog...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

[TEAMRICO]

Anything to detract from the release of the epstein files


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Why didn?t they get released for those 4 years the Dems were in charge?

[ruthabagah]

Why didn?t they get released for those 4 years the Dems were in charge?

That?s hilarious! That?s the same lame excuse all the time.

The files were not released because of Ghislaine Maxwell trial and the appeal she wanted to file but decided not too. Easy.


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[sampson]

That?s hilarious! That?s the same lame excuse all the time.

The files were not released because of Ghislaine Maxwell trial and the appeal she wanted to file but decided not too. Easy.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMaybe. But it wasn't even on their radar.

[ruthabagah]

Maybe. But it wasn't even on their radar.

Well: Clinton is in it so no.


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[BushMasterBoy]

If they invade, they probably want to wait until summer. 89% Inuit living there and only 57K population. So half the population of Pueblo? I only pray he changes his mind and works on the deficit instead. Maybe put the savings into veterans care.

[FoxtArt]

The way I see it WE don't have to worry about upsetting Denmark and Europe.

THEY need to worry about not upsetting us.

They need us, NOT the opposite.

Dod I mention I am from Europe?

Yeah! Nothing is more successful in the Maritime Economy, than "Bow down bitches I'm you're new overlord", who needs allies, we can always buddy up with Russia, China, and North Korea since our values more closely align with the commies these days.

Btw when are we getting our weath redistribution checks, I mean, Stimulus AKA "Trump Bucks"?

[theGinsue]

Why didn?t they get released for those 4 years the Dems were in charge?

99948

You got that right!

[theGinsue]

Yeah! Nothing is more successful in the Maritime Economy, than "Bow down bitches I'm you're new overlord", who needs allies, we can always buddy up with Russia, China, and North Korea since our values more closely align with the commies these days.

Btw when are we getting our weath redistribution checks, I mean, Stimulus AKA "Trump Bucks"?

<sigh> The TDS really is tiring.

[HoneyBadger]

Yeah! Nothing is more successful in the Maritime Economy, than "Bow down bitches I'm you're new overlord", who needs allies,

The days of Bretton-Woods are quickly coming to an end. The world is changing.

[eddiememphis]

Shouldn't this be in politics?

[BushMasterBoy]

We are going to need sled dogs.

[FoxtArt]

The days of Bretton-Woods are quickly coming to an end. The world is changing.

Very true, unfortunately. And Ginsue, that was fairly obvious sarcasm, I thought. The turn away from Europe and towards Russia (slightly) and the Middle East (a lot) is, however, quite crazy.

We are terminating the dollar as the global currency in the near future.

[BushMasterBoy]

This shit show is run by 3 people. You are fooling yourself if you don't believe it.99951

[Aloha_Shooter]

The Chinese and Russians (as well as some Europeans) have been trying to terminate the dollar as global currency for years.

I don't see the point of poking the Danes in the eye over Greenland but it has great strategic value both for geography and mineral resources. I had heard recent Chinese overtures to the Danes coupled with some myopia on their part may be at least partially responsible for this interest in taking direct control of Greenland rather than leaving it up to friendly relations with them. I don't know enough to judge either way.

[theGinsue]

Very true, unfortunately. And Ginsue, that was fairly obvious sarcasm, I thought. The turn away from Europe and towards Russia (slightly) and the Middle East (a lot) is, however, quite crazy.

We are terminating the dollar as the global currency in the near future.

My apologies - I missed the sarcasm.


Unless Europe (all nations) do something drastic very soon, I feel Europe will be irretrievably lost. Their liberal immigration policies have allowed their nations to be consumer by their immigrants who essentially run things now.

While I don't trust Russia, I actually think they're not as bad as they're being made out to be. Now, Putin is an absolute nutter and while he remains in charge, I think we need to stay far away from them. If he gets replaced by someone more moderate, I think we could regain a decent relationship with Russia.

As Aloha stated, the push to remove the dollar as the global currency has been going on for decades, but they're getting closer everyday - especially with the big push in Europe to go to a digital system (Digital ID + non-U.S. global $). I believe that this will fully become the reality within the next 5-10 years. Europeans are tired of taking direction from the United States but are too weak individually to stand on their own. Using the EU where they are a united entity gives them the strength to push the U.S. away. What Europeans fail to realize is that they're all but giving up their sovereignty and individualism by being members of the EU. Plus, the folks running the EU are a bunch of jack-wagons whose policies are poorly thought through and have negative repercussions in the long term. In the end, regardless of who is running our country, they'd better be prepared to stand along in the world and ensure we have something of value to offer for trade beyond providing "services" as we've even been outsourcing a lot of that (India/Pakistan/Philippines) for years.

[TEAMRICO]

This shit show is run by 3 people. You are fooling yourself if you don't believe it.99951

I’m ok with that.

[Hummer]

Trump's bloviating about a takeover of Greenland is very damaging, alienating our NATO allies. Greenland is of real importance to the U.S. in controlling future trade routes as well as in any hot conflict with Russia. If it's important enough, why wouldn't the U.S. simply buy Greenland from Denmark? The gross national product of Greenland is around $4 Billion, and the GNP of Denmark is ~$450 billion. Wouldn't a friendly private offering of say, one or two trillion dollars plus investment considerations be the better approach for president dealmaker?

[rfenster]

Trump's bloviating about a takeover of Greenland is very damaging, alienating our NATO allies. Greenland is of real importance to the U.S. in controlling future trade routes as well as in any hot conflict with Russia. If it's important enough, why wouldn't the U.S. simply buy Greenland from Denmark? The gross national product of Greenland is around $4 Billion, and the GNP of Denmark is ~$450 billion. Wouldn't a friendly private offering of say, one or two trillion dollars plus investment considerations be the better approach for president dealmaker?

If he really does want Greenland, and I'm not sure that he does, then that is likely his plan.

The President bloviates about stuff. Makes wild claims about possible terrible offers or horrible actions. Then when the rubber meets the road he offers something that is way below market value, but WAY above the terrible offer or horrible action.

Then the other side takes his offer and everyone is happy.

Art of the deal.

[crashdown]

hoping we make it a US territory


so I can go hunt Musk Ox without needing a passport:)
Should I tell him?

[Aloha_Shooter]

Trump's bloviating about a takeover of Greenland is very damaging, alienating our NATO allies. Greenland is of real importance to the U.S. in controlling future trade routes as well as in any hot conflict with Russia. If it's important enough, why wouldn't the U.S. simply buy Greenland from Denmark? The gross national product of Greenland is around $4 Billion, and the GNP of Denmark is ~$450 billion. Wouldn't a friendly private offering of say, one or two trillion dollars plus investment considerations be the better approach for president dealmaker?

As Ben Shapiro said during Trump 1.0, Trump says a lot of shit. Sometimes some of it even comes true or matches reality. It's still better than the alternatives we've been presented for the last 15-20 years.

[theGinsue]

It's still better than the alternatives we've been presented for the last 15-20 years.

And IMHO, THIS, this is what it all comes down to. Whether from the left, the right or independents, love him, or hate him, we haven't been given any alternative better that what we've got in office right now.

[flogger]

Not that it has anything to do with Trump, but that whole Greenland/Inuit/IUD/birth control scandal back in the 60's & 70's was unusual. I doubt it could happen today.

[Clint45]

Supposedly, having a military base in Greenland would be a "game changer" tactically... and if we do not put one there soon, China or Russia will. Do not know if that is true, and it would suck to be stationed there when the temperature drops to fifty below.

Most likely this is merely a distraction from something else.

[HoneyBadger]

Supposedly, having a military base in Greenland would be a "game changer" tactically... and if we do not put one there soon, China or Russia will. Do not know if that is true, and it would suck to be stationed there when the temperature drops to fifty below.

Most likely this is merely a distraction from something else.

We already have a substantial military base there... Formerly known as Thule, now called Pituffik Space Force Station. We used to have a dozen bases all over during the height of the cold war, and now it's just down to one. It's a missile warning radar side that is directly between Russia's most likely ICBM/SLBM launch locations and our Northern CONUS border.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituffik_Space_Base

99983

[FoxtArt]

Yeah, we don't need to take Greenland to build additional bases etc., either.

Talking about, much less actually forcing an annexation (regardless of method) is essentially all about ego.

[ruthabagah]

Someone send me this article the other day, and I think this is spot on:


If the United States follows through on the threat to invade Greenland, we need to be crystal clear about what happens the next morning. This is not a real estate transaction or a routine military exercise. It is the geopolitical equivalent of pulling the pin on a grenade in a crowded elevator. The moment American boots hit the ground in Nuuk to seize territory from a fellow NATO member, the world as we know it ends. The consequences will not be temporary sanctions or angry letters. They will be total, permanent, and devastating.

The first domino to fall is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization itself. NATO is built on the sacred promise of Article 5, that an attack on one is an attack on all. If the U.S. attacks Denmark, we are not just breaking the treaty; we are triggering it against ourselves. NATO dissolves instantly. The alliance that kept the peace in Europe for 75 years evaporates, leaving the continent to rearm and realign against the new aggressor across the Atlantic. We don't just lose an ally; we create a unified enemy.

The military repercussions will be swift and humiliating. Europe will immediately demand the closure of every U.S. military base on the continent. Ramstein in Germany, Aviano in Italy, Lakenheath in the UK, all gone. Our ability to project power into the Middle East and Africa vanishes overnight. We will be evicted from the very soil we helped liberate and defended for decades, forced to retreat to our own shores as a fortress nation, isolated and friendless.

Then comes the economic nuclear option. The European Union is the largest single market in the world, and they will weaponize it. Europe will likely move to call in U.S. debt and dump their dollar reserves, sending the value of our currency into a death spiral. The U.S. economy, which relies on the dollar being the global reserve currency, will collapse. Inflation will make the post-COVID spikes look like a rounding error. Your savings will be worthless before the ink dries on the invasion orders.

Corporate America will face an extinction event. U.S. companies will be expelled from the European market. Apple, Google, McDonald's, and Tesla will see their assets seized or their operations banned. Trillions of dollars in market capitalization will be incinerated in minutes. The stock market will not just crash; it will close. We are talking about the complete de-globalization of American industry, cutting us off from the wealthiest consumers on the planet.

The skies will go silent. European aviation authorities will almost certainly ground all Boeing jets and ban U.S. airlines from their airspace. Transatlantic travel will cease. If you are in Paris or Berlin, you are stuck there. The logistical arteries that feed our supply chains will be severed. We will be cut off from European medicine, machinery, and technology. We will be an island nation in the worst possible sense.

The cultural isolation will be just as stinging. The International Olympic Committee and FIFA will have no choice but to bar the United States from competition, just as they did with Russia. There will be no World Cup matches in New Jersey. There will be no Team USA in the Olympics. We will be treated as a pariah state, unwelcome on the global stage, forced to watch the world celebrate without us.

For individual Americans, the consequences will be personal and painful. Visa-free travel to Europe will end immediately. Americans currently living or working in Europe will lose their legal protections and residency status. They will become persona non grata, potentially facing deportation or internment. The "blue passport" that used to open every door will suddenly be a red flag at every border crossing.

This is the end of trust, and it does not reset. You cannot invade a democratic ally and then say "my bad" four years later. The psychological break will be permanent. Europe will realize that the United States is no longer a partner but a predator. They will build their own defense architecture, their own financial systems, and their own alliances that specifically exclude us. The West will continue, but the United States will no longer be part of it.

Invading Greenland is not a show of strength; it is an act of national suicide. We are trading our reputation, our economy, and our security for a frozen island and a handful of minerals we can't even process. The price of this real estate deal is everything we built over the last century. If we cross this line, there is no going back. We will be the lonely superpower, ruling over nothing but our own decline.

I honestly think this is just a dog and pony show to detract from other stories?.


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[BushMasterBoy]

This is just nuclear proliferation. The idea is the US has nuclear weapons in Greenland and they will absorb an attack instead of mainland North America. I disagree because the fallout from the explosions will cover the globe. A lethal dose of plutonium is about 50 micrograms inhaled. It is what killed my father. Ionizing radiation is very bad for you. I am very sick right now from exposure to radioactive beryllium oxide.


https://medium.com/@stphngeist/are-you-living-in-the-nuclear-sponge-apparently-i-am-ca941a442347



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Flats_Plant

[SAnd]

On a lighter side...
Maybe Trump is playing the long game.
If climate change heats the continental USA up excessively we would have someplace that might be cooler to migrate to. It also has a large potential of natural thermal energy to make USA less dependant on oil.
[facepalm]

[HoneyBadger]

Someone send me this article the other day, and I think this is spot on:



A few interesting points, but also some really silly alarmism. NATO breakup would certainly be devastating if it played out this way. I would much prefer a peaceful withdraw from NATO and no military actions against our friends. Losing our basing and access in European countries would be devastating. European countries rearming and having real militaries to defend themselves..... sounds like a good long term goal honestly, and it's what our National Security Strategy published last month calls for. (https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf) If you haven't read it, perhaps taking a peek at the NSS will shed some light on some of the things happening in the Caribbean and South America (and I bet Mexico is next).

I think I said this earlier in the thread (or maybe the Iran thread) but the Bretton-Woods era is coming to an end and the US is trying to get out of the business of playing world police and providing free trade and nuclear umbrellas to all of our friends. We've done this for decades at great cost. Was it beneficial? For most of that period, yes. It helped grow the US into the unprecedented superpower that we are now. But China has also weaponized these things against us, taking advantage in every way to make themselves stronger and their miliary and economy show it. Something interesting about the concept of withdrawing from globalism is that the US is primed and in a position that no other country on Earth is: in complete isolation, we can clothe, feed, and power ourselves, while also sustaining a tech base, manufacturing base, and having a healthy demographic curve to power our economy. Australia, Canada, and Russia (if you include the territory they've captured from Ukraine) are the only other nations that are net exporters of food and energy. Would our economy suffer? Would our quality of life change? Absolutely - but less so than everyone else.

In HoneyBadger's opinion, is complete isolationism the best grand strategy for the US? No, but in a world where everyone is isolated, the US is uniquely situated to come out on top. Meanwhile, China (and many others) would struggle with mass starvation and industrial/economic collapse.

[ruthabagah]

A few interesting points, but also some really silly alarmism. NATO breakup would certainly be devastating if it played out this way. I would much prefer a peaceful withdraw from NATO and no military actions against our friends. Losing our basing and access in European countries would be devastating. European countries rearming and having real militaries to defend themselves..... sounds like a good long term goal honestly, and it's what our National Security Strategy published last month calls for. (https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf) If you haven't read it, perhaps taking a peek at the NSS will shed some light on some of the things happening in the Caribbean and South America (and I bet Mexico is next).

I think I said this earlier in the thread (or maybe the Iran thread) but the Bretton-Woods era is coming to an end and the US is trying to get out of the business of playing world police and providing free trade and nuclear umbrellas to all of our friends. We've done this for decades at great cost. Was it beneficial? For most of that period, yes. It helped grow the US into the unprecedented superpower that we are now. But China has also weaponized these things against us, taking advantage in every way to make themselves stronger and their miliary and economy show it. Something interesting about the concept of withdrawing from globalism is that the US is primed and in a position that no other country on Earth is: in complete isolation, we can clothe, feed, and power ourselves, while also sustaining a tech base, manufacturing base, and having a healthy demographic curve to power our economy. Australia, Canada, and Russia (if you include the territory they've captured from Ukraine) are the only other nations that are net exporters of food and energy. Would our economy suffer? Would our quality of life change? Absolutely - but less so than everyone else.

In HoneyBadger's opinion, is complete isolationism the best grand strategy for the US? No, but in a world where everyone is isolated, the US is uniquely situated to come out on top. Meanwhile, China (and many others) would struggle with mass starvation and industrial/economic collapse.

Did you pulled this from grok?


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[HoneyBadger]

Did you pulled this from grok?


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I asked grok for current import/export data. The response is my own, based somewhat on the books "Accidental Superpower" and "Absent Superpower" by Peter Zeihan.