The ONE gun for SHTF

[jerrymrc]

Since this is a new place and all I am going to put this thread out there now. This is always a fun one for me since it always comes up sooner than later. Might as well get it out of everyone's system right off the bat.

You have ONE gun you can take as you leave for parts unknown. Which one and why do you choose. And I picked the best ten I could think of. Good luck and happy selecting. Sorry but no space for the 50bmg

[Irving]

One only huh? Well, have to be 870 pump. I don't know how to hunt anyway so.

[ChadAmberg]

In a SHTF situation when society has pretty much collapsed? Or when things are pretty much as they are now, just pretty darn crappy.

SHTF I'd bring an M4rgery with maybe 200-300 rounds. In an all out firefight, I'd not expect to get through more than a few magazines if I was very lucky, and stupid to get in a gun battle in the first place. But most of the ammo I'd trade out for food and mutual protection.

If I just lost my job and had to leave looking for work like the dustbowl era... then probably a simple 9mm concealed with a few spare magazines. Small enough to conceal well, big enough to be useful.

[jerrymrc]

One only huh? Well, have to be 870 pump. I don't know how to hunt anyway so.

Once ya go past one bizarre things will happen to the thread. ;) One and only one will make people think. And in all reality depending on the person there is no right or wrong answer.

It is just something that I see come up time and time again. So now it is time to see what the population here thinks.

[Irving]

Also, I'd like to point out that my answer is based on guns that I already have.

[68Charger]

In a SHTF situation when society has pretty much collapsed? Or when things are pretty much as they are now, just pretty darn crappy.

this hits the nail on the head- I voted Pistol, simply based on Katrina... anything obvious may very well be confiscated- you want to stay low-key.

the very fact that you're making me choose ONE gun means I'm not defending a stronghold (where I could have several choices).. so a concealable pistol, as powerful as possible, with as many mags as I can carry..

[Batteriesnare]

AR for sure(I already have it and feel competent with it). But I always have my pistol on me, so........ If a firefight was imminent or I would need to defend myself in a WROL situation, I want my rifle. If I don't have it, I'll use my pistol to fight my way to my rifle, and then as a backup to my rifle.

[Troublco]

I'm going to have to go with my M14 for this one. If I had an AR-10 type, I might go that way but since I don't, this is it. I have multiple stocks, a pair of scope mounts, lots of magazines and ammo, and lots of trigger time and experience with this gun. They also have the reputation of being extremely reliable. While 68Charger's thought on the easily concealable handgun has some merit in my opinion, in the end I feel that a pistol is something you use to get yourself a rifle.
Of course, I can't imagine myself only having ONE gun in a SHTF situation, unless it was just to get back home with. There's something basically wrong with only having one gun.....

[theGinsue]

I voted for hte AR in 5.56. While not optimal for big game, the gun could be used to hunt with, it works great for self-defense situations, and the availability of ammo is better than some others.

[68Charger]

when I've read these "pick one gun" threads before, I WANT to say my Saiga-12 (or if you prefer, a 12-gauge pump), because it's so versatile- slugs, buckshot, birdshot, you can hunt large or small game with it... if I was in survival mode in the woods, it would probably be my choice..

but when I think about "SHTF", I think people fleeing, gov't trying to get control (even if it's a different gov't), martial law, economic collaspe.. Think of when it's happened before- Argentina around 2001, Katrina... you're carrying around a long arm, and you're going to draw a lot of attention that you don't want.. even from thieves.. somebody is going to WANT that rifle.. and they KNOW you have it... thieves don't announce they're going to rip you off from a distance, they stick a gun/knife in your back while you're occupied..

so despite what I WANT, that's why I pick Pistol..

now if I'm back at the ranch, I totally reject the notion that I have to pick one... ok, maybe ONE AT A TIME [M2]
but there can be several choices to pick from

[hip55]

AR in 5.56.

Hunt, defend and offend easily with it.

Though a handgun is a close second.

[HandKBRad]

this hits the nail on the head- I voted Pistol, simply based on Katrina... anything obvious may very well be confiscated- you want to stay low-key.

the very fact that you're making me choose ONE gun means I'm not defending a stronghold (where I could have several choices).. so a concealable pistol, as powerful as possible, with as many mags as I can carry..

I don't know a lot about Katrina. Did the authorities confiscate handguns too? I would think in a martial law scenario civilians would be searched for weapons and other contraband. I don’t think I want to walk down city streets with a long gun either.

If I'm not in the open city my one long gun would be:


I didn’t vote because I’m going G3. My one gun would be my HK SR9. I would pick this one because it is the most accurate rifle I have. I have more spare parts and magazines for it than any other rifle I own. I have had a lot of trigger time with H&K’s. Maybe even more trigger time than I’ve had on the M16 and SAW.

[BushMasterBoy]

I'd take the AR and the 22lr adaptor. I can backpack thousands of 22lr rounds. I'd use the adaptor to take small game. The 5.56 rounds are for larger game. The adaptor is a Ciener model.

[AP-4Guy]

.22's are also a hell of a lot quieter if you needed to be. Good idea with the adapter!

[KevDen2005]

I was definitely thinking a good rifle in .308, but after all the comments about Katrina I am sort of not sure. Maybe big bore revolver like .357 or .44 for concealment and power.

I am also very curious about what guns were confiscated during Katrina.

I am under the mindset that everyone on this forum would not allow themselves to be put in the position that the citizens of Katrina were put it. Everyone here seems to want to be prepared and are educating themselves with survival/gun knowledge, experience, and law. If something like Katrina happened here (any natural disaster) I am thinking that no one on this forum is going to stick around.

[MichiganMilitia]

Everyone here seems to want to be prepared and are educating themselves with survival/gun knowledge, experience, and law. If something like Katrina happened here (any natural disaster) I am thinking that no one on this forum is going to stick around.

Rally at the north and south sites! [Weight]

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This is a tough one for me as well... but I'm gonna go with my "boomstick."

Shotguns are very versatile. You can shoot lots of different types of ammo out to acceptable distances if need be. With my Mossberg 500A, I can be an aggressor, a defender, or a hunter. It has an 18in barrel, a tough black synthetic stock, and I have a pistol grip for it. With the pistol grip, it is semi-concealable under a long coat or in a backpack. If the sh*t REALLY hit the fan, I don't think I'd be worried about NFA rules anyway, so I'd probably cut that barrel down to 12 or 14 inches if I really had to. I have a few hundred shotgun shells lying around (unfortunately, most of them are steel shot for shooting clays) and I could easily fit a few hundred shells in my BoB.

Reasons for not bringing an AR: Lots of work to clean (compared to a shotgun). Pretty hard to conceal. I think there are more people with shotguns/ammo/accessories than with AR-15s/ammo/accessories. I have more shotgun trigger time than AR trigger time. And... shotguns are better at taking care of zombies. [Tooth]

Reasons for not bringing a handgun: Simple: I don't have one.

If you are in an urban or suburban environment, then I think a concealable handgun with as much ammo as you can reasonably carry (60-80rds at a minimum) would be the best bet. In a more rural environment, a solid AR10 or .308 bolt rifle would probably be the best way to go. I am in more of a suburban environment, but I have a very limited weapon selection... (I don't have an armory in my basement like some of you folks... hahaha) so I would have to choose my shotgun.

Okay... I'm young. I might be a little naive. I'm definitely less experienced than a lot of you guys... so please tell me what I'm doing wrong. [Flower]

[rhineoshott]

AR-10 if I was heading for the hills

Pistol if I think I'll be in urban areas.

[Zundfolge]

For "SHTF" a pistol.

For "TEOTWAWKI", then I'll dig the AR out of the safe.


Honestly a SHTF is most likely to "just happen", so most of us will be stuck with whatever guns we have with us at the time (so unless I'm at home when it goes down it'll be my CCW piece).

[Marlin]

Hmmm, I was just thinking of getting a 6" barrel for the G20.. Should cover most anything under 150 yrds.. [Tooth]

[BigBear]

Pistol for sure. It's most likely what I'll have on me. I can secure a long rifle later if need be. Easily to conceal, quick to use. In a situation, we aren't going to be sniping in hills, terminal contact will be close proximity with major chaos.

[MichiganMilitia]

...we aren't going to be sniping in hills, terminal contact will be close proximity with major chaos.

...Which is where I think a shotgun would come in handy.

[BigBear]

Rgr, there are pros and cons to both.

[cowboykjohnson]

Semi auto .22 pistol with a can, can carry a bunch of ammo and with practice can be used to kill anything. Plus if you set up traps you can finish whatever is caught. With the can you are less noticable when shooting and it can be concealed.

[MadRabbit]

When I voted I made no distinction between SHTF and TEOTWAWKI type situations. I took it as the balloon has gone up, the elephant is on his way and you need a gun.

In my case I chose the AR 5.56 for one reason only, logistics. I have the most spare parts, magazines, and ammo for it. Assuming the military is involved which I think more likely than not, or even the police. Brass will remain available even after the event we're talking about, whatever it may be.

Thinking it'll be a while before wally world starts selling ammo again, and that my internet connection is long gone, I'll have to make do with what I have on hand. I wouldn't call it an ideal weapon, but I'll be able to keep it going longer than any of the others and it'll serve well from close to mid range distances.

[ronaldrwl]

My end of all things gun would be my turkey hunting shotgun. You can hunt everything from deers (slug) to ducks. It's not flashy like my AR's with all the attachments; but if it's got to only be one, that's my choice.[Coffee]

[SA Friday]

Short term, what ever I can find and use. Long term, I see huge benefits in large diameter straight wall case cartridge firearms. A .44 or .45 caliber pistol/rifle combo would be ideal. Marlin 45-70 with a 45LC caliber pistol may be the way to go. They both will work off of cast bullets and black powders effectively. Easy to reload with the same cast bullet.

[mutt]

In my case I chose the AR 5.56 for one reason only, logistics. I have the most spare parts, magazines, and ammo for it. Assuming the military is involved which I think more likely than not, or even the police. Brass will remain available even after the event we're talking about, whatever it may be.


Yeah I'd have to agree with that. In this country AR gear will be plentiful and you could keep yourself in parts and ammo for a long time if need be. A .308 would be ideal as well, but if I could only manage to have one weapon, AR in 5.56

[Troublco]

Hmmm, I was just thinking of getting a 6" barrel for the G20.. Should cover most anything under 150 yrds.. [Tooth]

I have the 6" Storm Lake for mine and it's great. Works wonders on hogs, so I'm sure it would work well for nearly anything else out to 100-150 yards, short of a Moose. You'd have to get closer for them, but I think it would work. It also allows you to shoot lead, which was the other half of the reason I got it. I have a nice 180 gr 10mm/.40 mold for this.

[Mista Bukit]

I chose the AR 5.56 because of stopping power, ammo avalability, range, reliability and general versitility. The AK would ba a good choice also for a lot of the same reasons, it also has the bonus of "stone age maintenance" I have seen an Afgani polish his action with water and sand.
I think the range and power long gun woud be more usefull in a breakdown of authority situation and concealabilaty less iimportant.
In a Katrina situation, the " authoritys" would try do disarm the populace even before re-establihing order. In this case a couple of SKSs ($250 a copy and of course with no paper trail) and a few thousand rounds of ammo for it buried someware close might also be a good choice, because the best gun is the one you have when you need it.

[jerrymrc]

I knew this would be popular. The great thing is nobody (so far) has called ones choice "stupid"
Thank You.

[GunTroll]

Not stupid choices but stupid people perhaps?

I picked the scatter gun due to the plethora of projectiles you can pick from and availability. Slugs, buck, bird type shot. Kind of the do all to me. Funny thing is I never use a shotgun for anything but turkey hunting. I don't rec shoot em' or nothing. Kind of boring to me. But it makes since in a one gun only scenario for me.

[jerrymrc]

Not stupid choices but stupid people perhaps?

I picked the scatter gun due to the plethora of projectiles you can pick from and availability. Slugs, buck, bird type shot. Kind of the do all to me. Funny thing is I never use a shotgun for anything but turkey hunting. I don't rec shoot em' or nothing. Kind of boring to me. But it makes since in a one gun only scenario for me.

And what that shows is you are very comfortable with a shotgun. My SIL is the same way. I went to an auto for three gun just because despite all the drills I was never very good with a pump. I did not even fire a shotgun till I was in my 40's. I grew up on rifles and pistols. I have a 12ga pump and a 20ga auto but for me even though I fully understand the ammo choices they are not the gun for me.

Part of this thread has to do with what one is comfortable with. That is why there are no right or wrong answers. ;)

[68Charger]

I knew this would be popular. The great thing is nobody (so far) has called ones choice "stupid"
Thank You.

On some other boards, a less confrontational topic would lead to virtual fisticuffs... [ROFL1]

[Marlin]

Marlin 45-70 with a 45LC caliber pistol may be the way to go. They both will work off of cast bullets and black powders effectively. Easy to reload with the same cast bullet.

Let me know how that works for you.. .45/70- .458 dia. .45LC- .452 dia.
[Tooth]

[TFOGGER]

Let me know how that works for you.. .45/70- .458 dia. .45LC- .452 dia.
[Tooth]

Maybe load up Minies in pure lead? then the base might expand to engage the rifling?

[7.62x39(4)life]

Gun confiscation is a major concern of mine... I want something nice and compact. andI would carry it in a non tactical case...

If I had to carry one of my own guns I would probably carry my left side folding ak-47

If I could have any gun it would be a "krink" or similar SBR ak-74 and I would pretend it was an MP5

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/hotrodtba/Guns/KrinkRight.jpg

[wrestler034]

I chose the Semi Auto .22 but upon more thought that would be more for TEOTWAWKI. In a SHTF situation I would go with my 1300 Defender due to sheer stopping power in a variety of situations. The reason I would take the 22 in a TEOTWAWKI situation is the ability to carry a lot of ammo for it. SHTF lasts maybe a month? TEOTWAWKI is much longer (permanent?) so having the ability to carry, in my estimation, 10 times the ammo vs 12ga is the deciding factor for me.

[hip55]

an interesting perspective -

http://www.ar15.com/content/articles/idealRifle/

[Troublco]

I like ARs but hunting is out with them. Like in that movie "I am Legend" the guy is hunting deer with his AR without much success.

I don't believe this to be the case. My 6.5 Grendel was acquired specifically for Antelope, and I think it'll work well on deer and the occasional 'yote. I got my .458 SOCOM for Feral hogs, and it's a hog hammer! Those with a 6.8 can go up to deer size game, and I know folks that use .300 Whisper (or Fireball) on deer or feral pigs out to about 100-150 yards. In a survival situation, I believe with the right bullets and shot placement a .223 would take up to deer size game out to 200-300 yards depending on the bullet. There are also those AR's chambered in .223 WSM, .243 WSM, and .25 WSM. I don't think I'd try hunting with FMJ bullets in an A2 rifle, but the right bullet with a scoped gun should work; you'd just have to make sure you were within effective range for whatever caliber you've got.

[sniper7]

I'll take a .22. You can carry a ton of rounds, kill up to medium sized game with it, pretty accurate, greater range than a shotgun, less weight and more ammo than a AR, smaller sized as well.

now if this is just for survival, that is what I will go with. if it is a SHTF situation where I may be fighting off looters, bad guys, zombies etc...then I will opt for my AR.

of course in reality i will have more than 1 gun, and plenty of ammo for everything.
I would probably grab an AR, 10/22, .45 or 9mm pistol as well as a 12 guage, and plenty of mags and ammo for each which I handily keep readily available!

[Troublco]

Of course in reality i will have more than 1 gun, and plenty of ammo for everything.
I would probably grab an AR, 10/22, .45 or 9mm pistol as well as a 12 guage, and plenty of mags and ammo for each which I handily keep readily available!

My thoughts exactly. I know exactly what I'd have with me, weapon wise, and it ain't one! My list is similar to this, but a bit more lengthy.

[vegas976]

Though I am a HUGE fan of my AR and it normally is my "go to gun", I had to vote for a .22 semi for a survival situation. .22's are great for hunting small/medium game, quiet enough to not give away location, reliable and lightweight. Now, if my brains were being threatened of being eaten I would grab my AR for the ever loving "double tap" factor.

[trlcavscout]

SHTF, it may be complete government collapse, outside invasion, natural disaster or what ever. In many cases besides invasion/combat a pistol would be my choice, even for CQC I would chose a pistol. Its easy to hide, easy to holster if performing work, rescue, etc. A high cap 9mm, 4 extra mags is my choice. I can carry it every day, because in most cases I dont want to have to fight my way to my house to get my rifle, I want to meet my family in a safe place and not worry about getting back to my house. Having a long gun in a safe place is not a bad idea, but not my first concern.

[wilsonpenfam]

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[wilsonpenfam]

I like my AR-15. I like all my guns. I would opt for my mini 14 if SHTF but I didnt see that option.[AR15]

[7.62x39(4)life]

I don't believe this to be the case. My 6.5 Grendel was acquired specifically for Antelope, and I think it'll work well on deer and the occasional 'yote. I got my .458 SOCOM for Feral hogs, and it's a hog hammer! Those with a 6.8 can go up to deer size game, and I know folks that use .300 Whisper (or Fireball) on deer or feral pigs out to about 100-150 yards. In a survival situation, I believe with the right bullets and shot placement a .223 would take up to deer size game out to 200-300 yards depending on the bullet. There are also those AR's chambered in .223 WSM, .243 WSM, and .25 WSM. I don't think I'd try hunting with FMJ bullets in an A2 rifle, but the right bullet with a scoped gun should work; you'd just have to make sure you were within effective range for whatever caliber you've got.


I didn't think of the hunting aspect of the one rifle scenairio... they dont make much hunting ammo in 5.54x39...or 7.62x39...

as far as 458 socom being a hog hammer... I think sledgehammer would be more accurate 300+grain bullet = lots of energy

[rhineoshott]

Actually, I'd probably go for a Magpul PDR...If I had one...If they existed. uses the 5.56 round in a 10-11" barrel. Standard mags. The gun is only about 20" long. Concealable under a coat with the right holster/sling gear. Pretty much can do a little of everything.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/blackdog714/Other%20stuff/IMG_1339.jpg

[Hoosier]

Actually, I'd probably go for a Magpul PDR...If I had one...If they existed. uses the 5.56 round in a 10-11" barrel. Standard mags. The gun is only about 20" long. Concealable under a coat with the right holster/sling gear. Pretty much can do a little of everything.


That PDR is interesting, I hadn't seen it before. Shares a lot of similarities with the P90.

I really like Bullpup designs, but I've herad the triggers can feel sloppy.

[Cameron]

Probably my Recce
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4325519414_5c5aed1991.jpg

or the FAL
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2780/4257338416_fe9f1c81c4.jpg

augmented by the shorty
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2774/4324785609_9557280ae7.jpg

If the SHTF I would probably be an example of Buridan's ass...

Cameron

[rhineoshott]

That PDR is interesting, I hadn't seen it before. Shares a lot of similarities with the P90.

I really like Bullpup designs, but I've herad the triggers can feel sloppy.

That's what I've heard about the triggers, the only bullpup I've held would be the FN FS2000. The trigger wasn't very good, but some people have done a little work on them and got them to be pretty nice. I think it would be cool to have both an FN P90 and a Magpul PDR in .50 Beowulf next to eachother in a backpack, or under each arm.

Sorry to stray the thread...

[sniper7]

Probably my Recce


or the FAL


augmented by the shorty
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2774/4324785609_9557280ae7.jpg

If the SHTF I would probably be an example of Buridan's ass...

Cameron


as much as I like the recee and the looks of the fal, I definitely would take the shorty out of all those!

[ModernSavage]

bolt rifle probabaly my rem 700 adl. It has open sights in case the scope failsI can find ammo anywhere . I can smoke bandits thugs and looters from greater distances than their aks ars and tech 9's are capable of ( accuracy beats the hell out of firepower all day long)and I can kill anything on the continent for meat... I guess a battle rifle would be a servicable choice. shotguns are out because ammo is too bulky and heavy..Pistols are great....but only to fight your way to a long gun....Lets hope we never have to test this theory....

[palepainter]

If I can only use one, it will be my M17. I can carry 300 rounds no problem comfortably. It is accurate as hell, and I can change to different types of rounds for different needs. It is a tough call between that and my shotgun.

[Beprepared]

Not enough votes for the 45-70 guide gun[Tooth]. I mean really, those squirrels would be perfectly tenderized when you found all the pieces. 500grain punch bullet. What more needs to be said? Can go through 2 bison length wise, probably good for engine blocks too. [LOL]

[arz]

AR in 5.56.

Hunt, defend and offend easily with it.

Though a handgun is a close second.


this.


If ammo were scarce, anyone that will be coming after you will be carrying either 5.56, or 9mm or both. I'd like to be able to replenish my ammo supplies.

[GreenScoutII]

this.


If ammo were scarce, anyone that will be coming after you will be carrying either 5.56, or 9mm or both. I'd like to be able to replenish my ammo supplies.

I agree. Ammo availability is the only reason I'd select the AR and not the Garand..

[hobowh]

If I ha to pick just one for backcountry it would be a savage 2400 o/u
308/12guage. These were pretty acurate and gave you 1 gun that could take bird, and big game

[275RLTW]

The one on my side. With that, I can get whatever else I need (cars, food, more guns...)

[Limited GM]

I've thought about this long and hard. With the trigger time I have in handguns, I figured that would be what I'd grab, since its with me anyway. Then I start thinking of leaving from home, humn..An AR with a .22 conversion really makes sense, but if you need to be stealthy, meaning not open carry, then I'll be toting my STI/Briley with the Marvel kit and a can. The Marvel is very accurate and not much that cant be killed with a .22 regardless of what some will say. I've seen .22HP go all the way through a white tails head and seen threads about 300 yd hits going through a turkey wrapped in layers of clothing. (You just cant make this stuff up)

Narrow it down more and I'd take a 10/22 with a Butler creek folding stock and a 10" barrel and a can. Just saying...

Interesting thread.

[Backinblackrifles]

I have to pick up my trusty Ar-15 in 5.56.

Long range capable, Nothing you cant hunt and kill with it on this continent, light weight, will shoot right up there with a good bolt gun, rapid fire capable, easy to find parts for when things start to get sloppy, tons of bullets in my pockets and mags and I can carry all the tools I could really ever need to work on one in a small bag or pack. IMHO the best weapon platform available to date.

[ryanek9freak]

I have to pick up my trusty Ar-15 in 5.56.

Long range capable, Nothing you cant hunt and kill with it on this continent, light weight, will shoot right up there with a good bolt gun, rapid fire capable, easy to find parts for when things start to get sloppy, tons of bullets in my pockets and mags and I can carry all the tools I could really ever need to work on one in a small bag or pack. IMHO the best weapon platform available to date.
Trusty my ass. You guys have to remember, in a SHTF situation, supplies will be short, including gun cleaning supplies. ANd you will probably be moving constantly, in all weather.

An AR-15 would be the LAST gun I'd use for that situation. My first pick would be an Ak or other variant, but since I know that ammo would be scarce, I'd go with an 870 pump, and a 1911.

Ak's are drag through the mud reliable, won't require frequent cleaning, and no matter what happens to it, it will always go bang when the trigger is pulled. Same goes for a pump shotgun and a 1911.

I recovered my buddy's AK after his house burned to the ground last new years, and although the stock and grip were completeley burned off, to my amazment, I picked it up, right out of the burning rubble, cocked the bolt, and pulled the trigger, and it would have fired, if there was a round in the chamber. His AR? All I found was the barrel, and parts of the lower (trigger, etc) everything else burned up. I have to show you guys pictures of this. I'll see if he can get me some.

Now, I know you'll flame me, and I'm not saying an AR is a bad rifle, on the contrary, I own 2 and love them to death, it's just not a gun I'd want when on the move in a pouring rainstorm or something.

[sniper7]

Trusty my ass. You guys have to remember, in a SHTF situation, supplies will be short, including gun cleaning supplies. ANd you will probably be moving constantly, in all weather.

An AR-15 would be the LAST gun I'd use for that situation. My first pick would be an Ak or other variant, but since I know that ammo would be scarce, I'd go with an 870 pump, and a 1911.

Ak's are drag through the mud reliable, won't require frequent cleaning, and no matter what happens to it, it will always go bang when the trigger is pulled. Same goes for a pump shotgun and a 1911.

I recovered my buddy's AK after his house burned to the ground last new years, and although the stock and grip were completeley burned off, to my amazment, I picked it up, right out of the burning rubble, cocked the bolt, and pulled the trigger, and it would have fired, if there was a round in the chamber. His AR? All I found was the barrel, and parts of the lower (trigger, etc) everything else burned up. I have to show you guys pictures of this. I'll see if he can get me some.

Now, I know you'll flame me, and I'm not saying an AR is a bad rifle, on the contrary, I own 2 and love them to death, it's just not a gun I'd want when on the move in a pouring rainstorm or something.

what about a gas piston AR?

[ChunkyMonkey]

@Ryan, That might be true if you expect to move and fight nonstop! AR15 is still a goto for me as it is the more common rifle as far as parts to trade/obtain and ammo availability etc. I would keep it simple too. Non-piston, A2 upper or at least with detachable handle.

I imagine in SHTF scenario, it would be similiar situations in other countries when their govts fall. No food distribution, no water, no power, etc for some time. While you will have some anarchy, you'd be surprise on how many communities will band together for a common goal of survival.

Having saying that, I'd still prepare for the worst of course!
[Beer]

[thvigil11]

M1A my friends. Its hard for me to argue against the versatility of 7.62 Nato, the reliability of the platform, plus overall coolness factor for mowing down zombie hordes. HA

[Backinblackrifles]

[QUOTE=MB888;166754]@Ryan, That might be true if you expect to move and fight nonstop! AR15 is still a goto for me as it is the more common rifle as far as parts to trade/obtain and ammo availability etc. I would keep it simple too. Non-piston, A2 upper or at least with detachable handle.

I agree In the event of SHTF or a civil dispute our military at the moment carries M-16 not AK's or 14's so their will be no problem finding ammo or parts. And as for the burning building ak thing I don't disagree but if the building burns down and my rifle is in it then so am I, I don't understand the whole I can throw my gun out of the chopper and it will still work bit if my gun falls out of the chopper or gets run over by a tank then their is a 98% chance I did to and it is no longer my problem.

[Backinblackrifles]

Trusty my ass. You guys have to remember, in a SHTF situation, supplies will be short, including gun cleaning supplies. ANd you will probably be moving constantly, in all weather.

An AR-15 would be the LAST gun I'd use for that situation. My first pick would be an Ak or other variant, but since I know that ammo would be scarce, I'd go with an 870 pump, and a 1911.

Ak's are drag through the mud reliable, won't require frequent cleaning, and no matter what happens to it, it will always go bang when the trigger is pulled. Same goes for a pump shotgun and a 1911.

I recovered my buddy's AK after his house burned to the ground last new years, and although the stock and grip were completely burned off, to my amazement, I picked it up, right out of the burning rubble, cocked the bolt, and pulled the trigger, and it would have fired, if there was a round in the chamber. His AR? All I found was the barrel, and parts of the lower (trigger, etc) everything else burned up. I have to show you guys pictures of this. I'll see if he can get me some.

Now, I know you'll flame me, and I'm not saying an AR is a bad rifle, on the contrary, I own 2 and love them to death, it's just not a gun I'd want when on the move in a pouring rainstorm or something.

I am not going to flame you, I explained just a few reasons why it is my go to gun, I think one thing you have to think about tho is there is a big difference between a Military M-16 contracted out to the lowest bidder and a good quality civilian Ar and I have owned many drug them through the mud hunted with them in freezing rain and everything else you can emagin and have never had a problem with any of them until after about 8,000 rounds without any lube or cleaning.

[splogan]

I voted shotgun, most likely my 870. With a pump 12 rounds would be readily available almost everywhere as would the possibility of finding parts for an 870. By varying my shells I could defend myself or hunt for food. With only one option versatility is the key. With all this said my gear I have has it set up for a pack with a shotty in a scabbard, an M14 on a sling and my .45 on my leg. All bases covered and easily carried.

[TriggerHappy]

M1A my friends. Its hard for me to argue against the versatility of 7.62 Nato, the reliability of the platform, plus overall coolness factor for mowing down zombie hordes. HA

I agree with thvigil11, cool factor and just an all around good battle rifle.

[rforsythe]

Interesting thread, and something I've been pondering for a while now. In true SHTF, it's not going to be a day at the range - so forget your usual routine of meticulous maintenance, known easy access, etc. Also a huge pile of quickly re-loadable ammo is good, but I have to assume if I am getting into a gunfight anywhere I'm not sticking around long regardless of whether it's my house or not - if they came once, they're coming back later with friends. So having ammo available for my weapons is good, but being able to sustain a prolonged gunfight is unlikely - if it's that drawn out, either it's me against a horde, or we're both incredibly crappy marksmen. Since I know I can shoot, I have to assume #1 and will be looking for an opportunity to defend, but escape and live to fight another day. I would rather have what I need bagged up and ready to grab and go.

So my criteria would be ease of use, and above all else reliability even when I can't clean/oil it for a while. Honestly, I think a .357 Smith revolver with some speedloaders ready to go would do quite a bit of damage, and the lack of moving parts makes them ideal for a long term low/no-maintenance scenario. I'd trust my Beretta 96 any day based on experience, but I've also never run it dirty and dry.

For long guns, pump shotties are always a crowd pleaser, and the design has been around long enough that reliability isn't generally a problem assuming you start with a clean and oiled one to begin with. They can have issues when dry/dirty though, so for absolute reliability something like a double barrel might be better. You won't get rounds off as quick after the first load, but it's a close-quarter gun IMO so if you need more than two, your day has already sucked.

As rifles go, again bolt actions are going to be the most maintenance insensitive. My .270 Win is cheap, reliable, holds 5 in the in-stock mag, and would likely fire for a long, long time without any work. I'm sure getting the pin gummed up will make issues, but any useful rifle is going to have that issue. Of course the SASS makes a statement as well, but will eventually foul without cleaning, being a gas-driven AR-style gun. Up to that point though, it will drive tacks to a very long distance. Either one will have ammo readily available (though if the S has HTF you probably want to have it already no matter what you're shooting, because everyone else will be grabbing what they can find too). A 5.56 could be fun (though I do not have one so can't really speak to it), and 10/22's are highly customizable and can lay down an impressive amount of lead.

For ultimate can't-kill-it, proven reliability though, I would have to say an AK. They can be had cheap, enough people have them that it shouldn't be a total one-off for parts or ammo, and they are basically indestructible as proven by decades of use by people who do zero proper maintenance and beat the crap out of them, but still manage to kill plenty of their enemies.

Of course the thread didn't specify "what you own" versus "if you could buy any kit". If I'm using what I own, I'm quite confident that even with zero maintenance, I can act defensively for quite a while (perhaps indefinitely to a point, though the semi-automatics are eventually going to have issues without at least an occasional clean+lube). If I was going to start from scratch though and go solely on reliability and the least maintenance required, I would stick with a .357 revolver, a short double-barrel shotgun, and either a good bolt-action rifle with some capacity or an AK. Of that list the bolt action rifle is the only one I do own (though I've been waiting for a smoking deal on a revolver to pop up). That and of course a pile of ammo for all of it.

The "best gun is the one you have on you" idea is 100% valid, but I am assuming for purposes of this argument that I'm either able to see disaster coming and get home first, or make my way back to get my stuff if the situation was one where I felt personal defense was going to become an issue.

Just my $0.02 though, and I am enjoying reading everyone's different opinions (which are all good, and highly subjective to the individual).

[ChunkyMonkey]

590 or 870 with variety of ammos

[Troublco]

Hmmm, I was just thinking of getting a 6" barrel for the G20.. Should cover most anything under 150 yrds.. [Tooth]

That's a good choice. I have one for my G20 that I picked up for handgun pig hunting, and it ought to work well for nearly anything else. I think I'll pick up some more brass for mine now.....

[Wulf202]

gas operated rifles would be out for the maintenance issues
piston ar's have questionable reliability at this time
bolt guns are limiting in fire power
ak's are good but heavy
shotguns have limited range

tough choice.

Glock it is

[Hoopty]

gas operated rifles would be out for the maintenance issues
piston ar's have questionable reliability at this time
bolt guns are limiting in fire power
ak's are good but heavy
shotguns have limited range

tough choice.

Glock it is

Uh dude you just left out the most obvious choice, Krinkov it is!!! [Tooth]

[denvernative321]

I would not take any of those. I would take my good old MINI 14. Kinda disappointed that was not an option but I guess the Garand is the same platform.

[Gritty]

Glock in .45acp or .40cal. Its concealable, the ammo is easy to find, it will shoot forever, and its stopping power is almost flawless.

I would go with a rifle other than that, but walking along solo with an AR/AK type platform visible just paints a target on yourself and makes other needy people want to jam you, jack you, or worse.

If I had say 4+ guys... thats a whole different story, but ill just say that a full tac kit / bugout vehicle / mobile fire team would be useful.

[TAG]

Only one? My 870. Slugs, Buck & Trap loads. Have a nice day!

[SU405]

Glock in .45acp or .40cal. Its concealable, the ammo is easy to find, it will shoot forever, and its stopping power is almost flawless.

I would go with a rifle other than that, but walking along solo with an AR/AK type platform visible just paints a target on yourself and makes other needy people want to jam you, jack you, or worse.

If I had say 4+ guys... thats a whole different story, but ill just say that a full tac kit / bugout vehicle / mobile fire team would be useful.


I kind of see your point about calling to much attention to yourself.

BUT... I would never try to jam or jack anyone walking around with an AK or AR. But then again people are F'n retarted.

[ronaldrwl]

If you hold to the rules, only one gun and the SHTF scenario and don't just pick your favorite gun, it's a worthwhile question.

I can see the advantages of a pistol but it would have to be a revolver with their reduced maintenance. They are light and you could also carry at all times.

If you're thinking of living off the land and not your neighbor, then I would lean towards a light weight 12 gauge pump. They can hunt birds to bears and require very little maintenance.

Things to not consider, no matter how cool they are, Semi-Auto's they require to much maintenance. I can't believe all the people who picked AR's. They are cool but I'm going to take your food when your guns don't work :)

[MichiganMilitia]

They are cool but I'm going to take your food when your guns don't work :)

[ROFL1]

[Nobama2012]

I think this guy says it the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvrG4T2K4sE

AK all the way, if you think its to heavy do more push ups

[ronaldrwl]

I think this guy says it the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvrG4T2K4sE

AK all the way, if you think its to heavy do more push ups

Combat rifles? I don't think it apply's to the question unless that is your SHTF scenario

[Irving]

AK all the way, if you think its to heavy do more push ups

That's what I told that pussy Bob Dole.

[Nobama2012]

Combat rifles? I don't think it apply's to the question unless that is your SHTF scenario

AK is all around, hunting, homeland defense, open beer cans, turn the tv on/off, you name it

[SU405]

I think this guy says it the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvrG4T2K4sE

AK all the way, if you think its to heavy do more push ups

AK FTW!

[blackford76]

One that I own now?
Mossberg 590a1
One that I really want?
Krink in 7.62

[ldmaster]

Rules #1 - Survive

Surviving doesn't mean hunt, or fight - it means survive. In a shtf scenario I am not looking to contact ANYONE that I don't already know, so I'm going to avoid movement unless necessary, I'm not going to hunt unless I'm starving and I'm going to run from a fight until I'm cornered.

Katrina confiscations? First they gotta find me, then since they always announce, they've gotta find where I stashed it. Since I am not roving about, I have a good hiding spot for my weapon. I am not worried about walking about with my AK, because I am not walking about. In situations that might require me to do so, I need to have a very compelling reason to do so because movement means vulnerability to snipers and roadblocks.

My weapon keeps me safe primarily. Any engagement beyond 25 yards and a pistol is not the best choice, any situation where I have to bury it in the muck or goo and an AK has a good chance of still working, if I dont have gun lube the AK works, and many other types do not. AK ammo is laquered and sealed and takes a lot of punishment and STILL fires. It wins any confrontation with a pistol and a rifle round STOPS a fight much quicker than a pistol round. Shotgun pellets of any type stop in many barriers, a rifle bullet penetrates moderate cover.

So considering my priorities and potential needs, an AK fits the bill.

[milwaukeeshaker]

My vote, HK 91, won't break, will function without constant cleaning, completely reliable, accurate, non "poodle shooter" caliber. .223 is an "urban" battle rifle, if you want to "reach out and touch someone" and they won't be getting back up, use a .308. HK just works no matter what.

[bobbyfairbanks]

My vote, HK 91, won't break, will function without constant cleaning, completely reliable, accurate, non "poodle shooter" caliber. Just works no matter what.


I really like the non "poodle shooter" If you don't mind I am going to start using that

[denvernative321]

I did not vote. I could not JUST choose one. I will always have a sidearm incase of rifle failure for starters unless i am trekking in the woods long distance. The gun i choose will vary from situation to situation. If i am forced to go in the city the firearm i choose will vary greatly from the firearm I choose to go out in the woods. So asking what one gun is best is not a very good question unless you go into more specifics about the SHTF situation you are in. I love the short barrel 12 gauge in close quarters but its pretty much useless out in the open. But in a gunfight the best gun you can choose is one you are trained on and is very reliable with decent ammo.

[OgenRwot]

I did not vote. I could not JUST choose one. I will always have a sidearm incase of rifle failure for starters unless i am trekking in the woods long distance. The gun i choose will vary from situation to situation. If i am forced to go in the city the firearm i choose will vary greatly from the firearm I choose to go out in the woods. So asking what one gun is best is not a very good question unless you go into more specifics about the SHTF situation you are in. I love the short barrel 12 gauge in close quarters but its pretty much useless out in the open. But in a gunfight the best gun you can choose is one you are trained on and is very reliable with decent ammo.

Yeah I voted for a rifle but your absolutely right. In a SHTF I'll have two pistols and two rifles. I'll have my carry pistol and my AR, the wife will have her carry piece and a .308 bolt gun. Quite honestly, I foresee no situation where I don't have all of that in a SHTF.

[GETTYLEIGH]

here I am posting to a thread thats a year and a half old again.

I'd think it best to stick with a NATO round. I'm no fan of 5.56 X 45, and 9mm, though plentiful, won't knock down a deer, so that leaves 7.62 x 51. Of course, I could kick myself thouroughly, in the behind, for not buying the Remington 7600 pump action .25-06 that was for sale on here a while back. If there was ever a versital round it is 25-06. Go look at the terminal ballistics at http://www.handgunsmag.com/ballistics/25_06_remington.html ; it has good reach and acceptable stopping power. I say, It will take anything down from hare to bear; though I probabbly would not charge a bear with it on purpose. Plus, you could buy a pistol grip set up for the 7600 remingtons, and the parent case is 30-06. If you had the right reloading tools, that 25-06 pump would be my choice.

[jerrymrc]

here I am posting to a thread thats a year and a half old again.


The Forum is only 6 mo old. ;)

[BPTactical]

No button for G3/HK clones.
Too bad.
Cheap mags, unbreakable and powerful battle rifle. NATO ammo.

I'd grab the PTR in a second with an AR for short range work.

But I voted for the AK as a one gun run.

If it was down to a handgun-HK

[GETTYLEIGH]

The Forum is only 6 mo old. ;)

It was sarcasm. I assure you I can count.

[jmg8550]

I chose the M14/M1A rifle. Very reliable, .308 caliber, not really all that heavy, and just plain works.

[gcrookston]

I'd have to go with a Drilling, 12ga / 9.3x72R...

[BigMat]

I recently had to do this with some earnest

I sold off most my collection due to being in nursing school, had to drop down to one gun!

I kept the AR, 20inch irons, 22lr kit.

I went for the AR for a number of reasons, the 22 kit is a big part of it, I can shoot for cheap, and carry a ton of ammo in either caliber. 20" as I don't plan to clear any houses with it as I am a civilian and that is just asking for it. End of the world a splinter could kill me, right now, well, I'm a civilian, I get to clear one house, and I don't need a 10 barrel to do that well. the other reason for the 20" is it avoids the whole middy/carbine/piston debate, it works, well and its fairly clean and easy on its guts. And I like keeping that little bit of juice. Irons, well, I like irons more, I shoot better with them and they don't break or run out of batteries.

As to reliability, It is a BCM upper on a billet lower with fine internals to match, I have no reliability issues, at all, rain, snow, sand and neglect. I didn't clean this gun for a long time, just to be sure. It works, well and I fully trust it. I've own short AR's, AK's, M1's, SKS's and plenty of others, this gun works better than the rest.

[jerrymrc]

No button for G3/HK clones.
Too bad.
Cheap mags, unbreakable and powerful battle rifle. NATO ammo.

I'd grab the PTR in a second with an AR for short range work.

But I voted for the AK as a one gun run.

If it was down to a handgun-HK

Only had 10 to pick. And while I do like some of the G3/Cetme features I still prefer a Fal. Also looked at what might be the most popular choices around here. Now if I posted this on the Militaryfirearm.com board then the choices would be different. ;)

[ERNO]

I voted AK 47 in 7.62x39,mainly because of the rounds ability to destroy concrete cinder block;far better than the 223.Some of the poachers in Africa use ak-47's to take on elephant;try that with your 223 AR, and you'll probably wind up as pulverised mincemeat,on the jungle floor.As previously noted by other's,the ak-47 is far more dependable than the ar-15; especially because of their anvil like hammers,as compared to the dinky looking ones on the ar-15.You won't be getting soft primer hits with your AK,thats for sure!Compare the steel magazine lips on the ak and you'll know that that the will never be bent,unless a bullet hits them.I have a KREBS CUSTOM AK-47 Saiga,with a Viltor collapsible stock,A-2 rear sight on the picatinny rail mounted on the dust cover,with a Burris AR-332 3X mounted on top.A rail forend,A-2 front sight and a standard A-2 flashhider.I believe I won't have to much of a problem finding 7.62x39 ammo around when the SHTF,because I'll be carrying a whole slew of 30 or 40 rd.AK mags on my chest.Second choice,or as a partner to my beloved AK;My 870 Law Enforcement 12 gauge 7 rd. capacity Surefire lighted forend;which is one of my bedside gun's.The only thing that that I don't like about the forend,is that their is no master off switch;for the pressure switch.

[only10x]

based on the guns that I have. I really like my m1 carbine.
but if it were to be a Zombie SHTF scenario then prob my SPR 5.56 with green tip rds. just because im proficient with it and ammo should be fairly common if one has to rummage thru a decayed society.
otherwise, Katrina or other natural disaster a pistol would be best.

you dont need much if you are a master with what you have. [Luck]

[ERNO]

I voted for hte AR in 5.56. While not optimal for big game, the gun could be used to hunt with, it works great for self-defense situations, and the availability of ammo is better than some others.
I believe that in a survival situation,7.62x39 would be more readly avallable than 5.56x45 when the shtf,worldwide.WOLF sells 7.62x39 in sealed tins that last a long time.You can bury them in your back yard or anywhere else, to be prepared for Armageddon.Thanks to the" Obama stimulus plan",there has been a great surge in people buying AR-15's,AK's,and what have you.But when I go to AGC gun range here in Marriotsville,Maryland, there are quite a number of members who own AK'S.If the Federal government banned all ammo sales,7.62x39, or even 5.45x39, would still might be readly avallable on the black market; smuggled in from Mexico. [Beer]

[mangyhyena]

There are so many ways this could all go down, many scenarios. But, if I didn't know exactly what the situation was going to be and I could carry only 1 gun, I'd choose my shotgun. It's versatile enough to cover many problems, from hunting to self defense. No, it will not cover every situation better than guns made to handle specific tasks, but it can serve in a pinch for just about any function except long distance shooting.

The shotgun is the Saiga-12, which is an AK-47 chambered for 12 gauge, with 5 and 12 round magazines. I can shoot slugs, buck, or bird shot. So, it would serve for self defense with the slugs and buck, small game with the bird shot, or larger game with the slugs and buck. Pretty darn good for just one gun.

My second choice would be the AK-47 or SKS, either way.

[tat2man75]

Wow!! I can't choose. (yet) .. I thought I could. But so many valid points, I'm going back to the drawing board.[Coffee]

[earplug]

I'm staying home with my shit.
The rest of you can run around with limited stuff.

[beast556]

I would try my hardest to stay in my house. If I had to leave no question I would take one of my ar's in 556mm.

[flan7211]

This really depends on what your expecting to be in a SHTF situation. A soldier or a survivor? If your looking to be a soldier i'd be looking at the 5.56 AR, FAL, Garand, AK, or M14. I couldn't go with an 7.62 AR, I'm sorry and someone might have a problem with this but they aren't as reliable as the rest. Sure great range guns but if your pouring down heavy metal that guy is gonna jam up fast. With pure reliability in mind you'd have to go with an AK. I choose the M-14 it's the best of both worlds. It is a great combat weapon, very reliable, and fairly simple in design. It also would be a decent survival weapon as the 7.62x51 can bring down nearly anything in north america, four or two legged.

[86k10]

AK in 7.62 hands down. Or SKS if thats what you had instead of an AK. Or if you had to conceal your firearm due to confiscation I would go Glock 19. I have a AR and I can't get into that platform that much. Don't have that much faith in it as a self supply, down and dirty insurgent weapon. Great as a supply line weapon. I always find myself looking for any good AK's to pop up for trade.

[mx'r]

12g pump gun. Slugs, buckshot, birdshot, nails, rocks, etc.etc.

[2008f450]

If I am staying in one place (home) i would say my M1A Socom 16. Super accurate and can handle just about any situation with different loads. put the scope on and snipe or hunt. Leave it off and repel borders. Keep a few mags loaded and ready to go.

If I am mobile and going place to place I would say my S&W 686. Concealable,ultra reliable,can shoot anything from a weak .38 cowboy load up to 180 grain solids. Finding ammo for it would be a lot easier I think than some other options. I would carry 100 rds of 125grn Sabers,50 rds of 180 Black Talon and some shot shells in my pack if its time to go.

[flan7211]

If I am staying in one place (home) i would say my M1A Socom 16. Super accurate and can handle just about any situation with different loads. put the scope on and snipe or hunt. Leave it off and repel borders. Keep a few mags loaded and ready to go.

If I am mobile and going place to place I would say my S&W 686. Concealable,ultra reliable,can shoot anything from a weak .38 cowboy load up to 180 grain solids. Finding ammo for it would be a lot easier I think than some other options. I would carry 100 rds of 125grn Sabers,50 rds of 180 Black Talon and some shot shells in my pack if its time to go.

Oh thank you my M1A SOCOM 16 has been refitted with some USGI parts and I think it is the most reliable gun I've ever shot. I can easily touch somebody at 450 m with a scope and CQB if need be. Great choice for the best single SHTF gun.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Bump it up!

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[jerrymrc]

Bump it up!



Not bad timing since we have many new members since I started this. Always good for a http://excoboard.com/forums/26584/user/231465/303440.gif (http://excoboard.com/exco/smilies.php?boardid=26584#) topic. http://excoboard.com/forums/26584/user/231465/303442.gif (http://excoboard.com/exco/smilies.php?boardid=26584#)

[zteknik]

I compleatly forgot about this poll.
I chose the AK.
Its reliable,cheap and user freindly.
If one of mine craps outy(unlikely) or damaged I can easily repair or just build another one.
Ammo is readily available as well as parts,so no worries there.

[02ducky]

AK for me as well, had I known or shot one before I got a AR I would have stuck with this platform.

[HoneyBadger]

AHHHHH LOOK OUT!!! THIS THREAD CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD! [LOL]


There are obviously a lot of factors and different scenarios, but I would go with a Ruger 10/22. You can easily carry hundreds, if not thousands, of rounds and a .22 is just as deadly as a .308 in most situations. ...Just try not to get into a firefight with a .308 ;)



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I gotta say, I love the SHTF smiley! hahaha

[rbeau30]

6.5 inch SS single six.

Pros:
.22/.22MAG
.22 is easy to carry
I can hit a 16inch plate supported at 100 yards
.22 is not a joke when you can actually hit vitals
versatility
simple mechanical function
barring ammo quality, if the hammer falls it will go off.
It is stainless steel
It is relatively light
it has adjustable sights.
I can switch to Magnum for a quick 6 mor rounds.

In SHTF I do not plan on getting into a firefight
In SHTF I want to evade
In SHTF if I am not at home I am in big trouble anyway
In SHTF I want the best bang for the pound not neccesarily the biggest.

[SA Friday]

Wow, if it all unraveled to the point where I could only have one firearm, I think it would be a pistol. I can always hunt with a bow or trap with snares etc. I'd want up close and personal defensive capability with the ability for quick follow-up shots.

[dwalker460]

Honestly it doesnt matter much what I get caught out with, as long as I have something it will be used to the best of my ability. That said.. I pick an AR in 5.56 because-

Excellent ammo availability
Proven durable and reliable
Lightweight and low recoil, I know I can carry it all day and shoot it as much as is needed
smaller lighter ammo, can carry more
Can reload in the field with a hand press
Breaks down and conceals in a backpack, discreet bag, etc.

.308 is not a bad choice, but the heavier weight and recoil make it a second choice
.22LR/22Magnum is a great choice, but cannot reload either round

[DSB OUTDOORS]

Id take a 12 Gauge Tactical Shotgun. Light loads, rabbit, squirrel, small birds. Medium loads ducks, geese, small game. Then get nasty for zombies with 00 - 000 Buck shot. And slugs for big game, deer, elk, etc.

Plus there are specialty loads also. Dragon's breath, Flechette, Piranha, bolo, etc. And for the not so lethal loads rubber buckshot and slugs.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Where can you get dragns breath locally?

[DSB OUTDOORS]

Where can you get dragns breath locally?

I've seen it at a few gunshows but that's about it for local. Internet only I'm afraid.

[Goodburbon]

.22 bar none. can take game of all sizes (shot placement), low noise profile, can carry 10x more ammo, the gun is lighter, smaller, ammo is more plentiful..

[COeskimo]

One gun not the coolest gun but the one gun I'd have to say would be a .22lr. Can carry several thousand rounds easily, and with shot placement hunt almost all game. Still a capable round for defense maybe not a Rambo [AR15] style defense but still I know I wouldn't want to get shot with a .22
and no matter where you go across the country in any store or shop thousands more rounds will be available unlike the 5.56 or .223 rounds.
Not the coolest but arguably the most practical[Beer]

[encorehunter]

I am going to say my Magnum Research 10/22 with a collapsible stock. It is very light, can be short for discreet carry, easily carry enough ammo. With the different loads of ammo that are now available, there is almost something for everything. You can have 40gr bullets going around 1500 fps, or 60gr bullets going around 950fps. I like my 5.56s, but there has always been a 22lr in my safe.

[Sawin]

I voted pistol simply because in nearly all cases, I wouldn't want anyone to know I was armed... unless this was an all out firefight all around, (in which case I'd want my AR) I'd always have my g19, 3+ mags and a couple hundred rounds of ammo.

[stevelkinevil]

My FN Scar 17, not on the list but it was purchased specifically to fill the one gun SHTF role.

[hatidua]

Select-fire suppressed potato gun with modified choke and extended mags filled with some pre-ripe russet's. Worst case scenario: hash browns if the zombies fail to materialize.

[MarkCO]

If I did not have a weapon that might suffice in this category, I would consider this: http://www.excelarms.com/handguns/xseriespistol.html in .30 Carbine.

Magazines and ammo are available and plentiful to stock up on. It could be concealled on a shoulder strap, capable of taking game, fairly high capacity, fairly quick reloads and ammo is pretty compact for transport.

If Kel-Tec would ever release the RMR-30, and it works as advertised, I would probably put it in first place over the Excel.

[centrarchidae]

I don't know why we bother with threads like these. All anybody owns or needs is a .22 and a .38, and maybe a 12ga.

That being said, mine would be a a 5.56 Recce AR. Far more reliable than any AK I've ever owned.

[birddog]

I don't know why we bother with threads like these. All anybody owns or needs is a .22 and a .38, and maybe a 12ga.

That being said, mine would be a a 5.56 Recce AR. Far more reliable than any AK I've ever owned.

im not sure the recce would be my cup of tea here. I think I would want something a little sloppier. Who knows what kind of maintenance time I might have or what kind of ammo might be used. Might be finding/ shooting whatever you find.

[centrarchidae]

I clean this rifle once each 2000-3000 rounds, most of which are dirty-ass Russian ammo. Other than the inherent accuracy issues of inconsistent crap import ammo, I haven't had any heartburn. I don't think I've ever actually had a stoppage, except for a feeding issue with a dented black-follower magazine that got hammer therapy.

I think most of the "ARs are finicky or unreliable" folklore comes from people who thought that their Bushmaster/DPMS/whatever was "Just as good as" a Colt/BCM/DD, When it turns out that their rifle sucks, they assume that the good rifles must also suck.

(And it's probably not a true recce, since it's got a 1:7 CL 5.56 barrel instead of a 1:8 stainless Wylde.)


im not sure the recce would be my cup of tea here. I think I would want something a little sloppier. Who knows what kind of maintenance time I might have or what kind of ammo might be used. Might be finding/ shooting whatever you find.

[jerrymrc]

I don't know why we bother with threads like these.

Go back and read the first post. [Bang] I would rather have one thread on this instead of this question come up every 3-4 month or so. The fact that it keeps rising from the dead tells me I am right. [Flower] Just a thought.

[centrarchidae]

Go back and read the first post. [Bang] I would rather have one thread on this instead of this question come up every 3-4 month or so. The fact that it keeps rising from the dead tells me I am right. [Flower] Just a thought.

Sorry, thought it was clearer that it was a joke when I threw in the part about how everybody only needs a .22 and a .38 or some such.

[tortirioan]

Sorry guys, but the Ar-15 has literally millions of mags, Trillions of rounds and even more accessories available in the US, when the SHTF every time you come across a group of baddies you will find ARs and you will also be able to take the mags out of their vests and use them in your gun no problem.

[condoor]

when I've read these "pick one gun" threads before, I WANT to say my Saiga-12 (or if you prefer, a 12-gauge pump), because it's so versatile- slugs, buckshot, birdshot, you can hunt large or small game with it... if I was in survival mode in the woods, it would probably be my choice..

but when I think about "SHTF", I think people fleeing, gov't trying to get control (even if it's a different gov't), martial law, economic collaspe.. Think of when it's happened before- Argentina around 2001, Katrina... you're carrying around a long arm, and you're going to draw a lot of attention that you don't want.. even from thieves.. somebody is going to WANT that rifle.. and they KNOW you have it... thieves don't announce they're going to rip you off from a distance, they stick a gun/knife in your back while you're occupied..

so despite what I WANT, that's why I pick Pistol..

now if I'm back at the ranch, I totally reject the notion that I have to pick one... ok, maybe ONE AT A TIME [M2]
but there can be several choices to pick from

What he said. I'd like to pick my AK or .308 AR, but I'd pick my Glock 19 for reasons mentioned above.

[Americus]

Firstly, and I know I'm going to get it from the AK followers, but I hate the AK-47. I repeat, hate it. It's a commie gun, the gun of our enemies and I have been shot at too many times from some dueche bag using one that I will never willingly use one unless absolutely necessary. But I digress.... I have often thought of this question and I always keep coming back to the .22. Specifically, the 10/22. Tons of options out there for mods, rounds are light so you can carry tons, 90% of the game out there you could take down, and self-defense. People talk about stopping power, but dead is dead. It don't matter if it's from a .22 or a .45ACP. Now, if you needed to crack an engine block then I agree, but in survival mode, I'm looking to keep my family safe, defend myself, and provide for my family.

However, the AR is a very close second with all the availability of rounds, replacement parts and such. But like some on this forum, I don't plan on having conact with too many people I don't know, and will avoid confrontation if possible.

[William]

It depends on the situation, but would rather ride it out at home with my AR and 870 etc than head to the hills. If bugging out is mandatory still think the AR is the best choice for me only because I am comfortable with it and I have a ton of ammo for it at all times.

[Waywardson174]

I find this poll skewed. Reference the logo at the top left of the page for my complete argument.

[Todd_the_'Stache]

Just one?If you are 'prepped' at all you won't be stuck with just one, you'll have asmany bases covered as possible. However, for the sake of the question, I preferthe M1A. Several reasons; the rifle is very reliable and accurate, thecartridge is one that can put food on the table and defend (applies to all .308rifles), greater range than the carbines, and I love the iron sights. But that’sme, I can hit with the M1A and that's the most important part. If you can't hitwith what you got it's just extra weight to carry. If what you can hit with isa .22 hand gun then that is what you should have. There are all kinds of goodpoints to be made for this firearm or that one, but hitting trumps them all.

[Dave]

Going with a 12 gauge double barrelled Remington, prefer one with a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel and a hair trigger. Shop smart, shop S mart! You got that?!? [werdo]

[fly boy]

Can I have a moddified answer of .22 MAGNUM??

[HoneyBadger]

lol this thread just keeps coming back to life!

[ray1970]

lol this thread just keeps coming back to life!

You forgot the appropriate smiley.....

[zombie1]

[SG1]

Pistol for sure. It's most likely what I'll have on me. I can secure a long rifle later if need be. Easily to conceal, quick to use. In a situation, we aren't going to be sniping in hills, terminal contact will be close proximity with major chaos.

If you had any say in the matter wouldnt you want to be sniping guys from the hills rather then at point black range? you have never heared or met anyone who has ever said "thank god I was too close to gun fight/gun men gun fire"

[rbeau30]

If you had any say in the matter wouldnt you want to be sniping guys from the hills rather then at point black range? you have never heared or met anyone who has ever said "thank god I was too close to gun fight/gun men gun fire"

I am unable to see anything at a range of > 50 yards from my home. And if SHTF I won;t be wandering the streets.

[SG1]

I am unable to see anything at a range of > 50 yards from my home. And if SHTF I won;t be wandering the streets.

if you had a choice in the matter....but yeah the idea of having only one gun is fun the think and play with....but not fun to really think about..one part and you are SOL AND JWF SHIT OUT OF LUCK AND JOLLY WELL FUCKED.

[rbeau30]

If I am mobile... last resort... I (and my family members) can take care of human sized threats at 300M with no problem. Prepper code, "two is one and one is none". However if I only had the chance to take one firearm, that is a different story. This is a specific scenario.

[Jamnanc]

I don't think in a true shtf That I would want to carry a lot of heavy ammo. I vote 22 because I can carry literally thousands of rounds with me and I could find ammo in most houses.

[rbeau30]

'tis why I voted how I did... 6.5" single six... Shooting supported I can take care of a 6" silhouette target at 150 yards.

Ohh wait there isn't a selection for it... sad days

[spongejosh]

"Zombie Apocalypse" SHTF situation it would be a .22, probably the MP5 clone because it holds 25 rounds.

Actual SHTF (what I voted for) if I had to run to the mountains and only take 1 gun it would be a shotgun, 870 express 12 ga. I have slugs, birdshot and buckshot on hand. I can hunt nearly any game available and protect myself.

[Great-Kazoo]

I don't think in a true shtf That I would want to carry a lot of heavy ammo. I vote 22 because I can carry literally thousands of rounds with me and I could find ammo in most houses.

Or for more punch and still be weight conscious 22MAG. 1 revolver, 1 rifle

[rbeau30]

Good point Josh. Very versatile. I say H&R pardner Pump cuz it is cheaper but pretty much the same shotgun. :-D

[osok-308]

I'm saying any semi auto .308 it'll do just about anything you need of it in a pinch.

[clodhopper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytllVexL31E&feature=player_embedded (http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/x-caliber-adapter-system_gear-up_3-620x345.jpg)

[lex137]

Isn't that the guy who shot himself on doomsday preppers?.....

[blacklabel]

Isn't that the guy who shot himself on doomsday preppers?.....

It looks like it.

[cofi]

im ordering from these guys

http://www.gunadapters.com/

for my h&r break open 12ga
12ga - 20ga
20ga - 410
410 - 22lr

they should all nest up together and take up the space of one 12ga slug i figure ill leave it in my forend that way no matter what kind of shotgun ammo they got i can buy it and keep shooting :)

[jreifsch80]

i voted for an ak and specifically my ak74 it will do pretty much anything 5.56 ball will do and i have crap tons of 5.45 (my ar15 is a 5.45 too that would be my second choice)

[banks74]

Im the oddball. If I could only grab one long gun, it would be my AW with the .308 tube screwed on. Tough, reliable, accurate and awesome barrel life!

[Sawin]

im ordering from these guys

http://www.gunadapters.com/

for my h&r break open 12ga
12ga - 20ga
20ga - 410
410 - 22lr

they should all nest up together and take up the space of one 12ga slug i figure ill leave it in my forend that way no matter what kind of shotgun ammo they got i can buy it and keep shooting :)

Are those rifled?

EDIT - i found some that are specifically titled "rifled" so I seem to have answered my own question. The short ones are seemingly not rifled.

[Hound]

I went with Shotgun. I have a KelTec KSG and it would meet most all needs. It is very rugged, easy to conceal, holds a minimum of 15 rounds upto 25 rounds if you can find 1.5" shorties. 12G ammo should be easy to find. Multiple loads available from slug to shot. Good for hunting and accurate. Good for self defense. Zero tools needed to strip, clean or repair. Light since most of it is polymer also going for the durability.

I would of course also take a 9mm pistol or two but this only asked for the first gun.

[HoneyBadger]

Not all of us are lucky enough to have a KSG... [not-worthy]