Fuel??

[Mista Bukit]

I don't know if this has been covered elsewhere but what provisions has anybody made about fuel? Do you buy a diesel truck or gasoline, firewood propane etc. How about the stockpiling, preservation and defence of these stocks?

[jerrymrc]

I don't know if this has been covered elsewhere but what provisions has anybody made about fuel? Do you buy a diesel truck or gasoline, firewood propane etc. How about the stockpiling, preservation and defence of these stocks?

I will say that storing Gasoline is something that has to be thought about carefully. I only keep about 10 gallons around and rotate it out every 6 months. I use sta-bil in it as well.

I have got away from things that run on it. The 10 gal is mainly for the chainsaw and a small generator that is only for short/high load applications. I do keep the truck at 3/4 tank or better and it is a diesel. I keep Propane on hand as well as K-1.

[Mtn.man]

Where ya going?

[jerrymrc]

Where ya going?

Your place. ;)

[Mtn.man]

100k acres of pure paradise.

[jerrymrc]

100k acres of pure paradise.

Well, Kind of your place. I do like FR550 and the wellington lake area.

[GoldFinger]

I don't know if this has been covered elsewhere but what provisions has anybody made about fuel? Do you buy a diesel truck or gasoline, firewood propane etc. How about the stockpiling, preservation and defence of these stocks?

You could make a case for Diesel just purely on the fact that it last a lot longer in storage than Gasoline. Diesel can be good up to 10 years, where gas (even with Sta-bil) might give you two.

[jerrymrc]

Speaking of K-1 Please do not spend the $7 per gallon that it costs at HD or Lowes. I have it on hand but also use it to heat the garage. I paid $2.99 per Gallon this morning at Chief petroleum here in the springs.

[cowboykjohnson]

Alcohol! I've been researching what it takes to convert something to run on alcohol for my drag car. I was also thinking it would be good for "teotwawki" since you can produce alcohol from many things relatively easily.

[jerrymrc]

Alcohol! I've been researching what it takes to convert something to run on alcohol for my drag car. I was also thinking it would be good for "teotwawki" since you can produce alcohol from many things relatively easily.

Running Alcohol in a Race car is no big deal Now running it (and even E85) is another story. Figure another 2/3 more by volume. Since this is the survival forum I will stay out of the race car side but I grew up on methanol.

Alcohol is very corrosive. many items in the fuel system need to be upgraded. It is very hygroscopic meaning it attracts and blends with water. Just some thoughts.

[BushMasterBoy]

Methanol is corrosive, ethanol is compatible with most vehicles produced after 1990. Ethanol absorbs moisture out of the air, thus is hygroscopic. It's true you need more alcohol to travel a mile than gasoline. Some vehicles are already E85 compatible. There are devices that can be added to let you run your vehicle on a mixture of ethyl alcohol and gasoline. It usually involves lengthening the time a fuel injector is open. All Indy 500 cars now run on pure ethanol (ethy alcohol). I got most of my info from http://www.journeytoforever.org/ethanol.html

[theGinsue]

You could make a case for Diesel just purely on the fact that it last a lot longer in storage than Gasoline. Diesel can be good up to 10 years, where gas (even with Sta-bil) might give you two.

Another good point about Diesel is that in a SHTF scenario, most places will be selling out of gasoline long before they sell out of diesel.


Speaking of K-1 Please do not spend the $7 per gallon that it costs at HD or Lowes. I have it on hand but also use it to heat the garage. I paid $2.99 per Gallon this morning at Chief petroleum here in the springs.

Is K-1 kerosene?

[jerrymrc]

Methanol is corrosive, ethanol is compatible with most vehicles produced after 1990. Ethanol absorbs moisture out of the air, thus is hygroscopic. It's true you need more alcohol to travel a mile than gasoline. Some vehicles are already E85 compatible. There are devices that can be added to let you run your vehicle on a mixture of ethyl alcohol and gasoline. It usually involves lengthening the time a fuel injector is open. All Indy 500 cars now run on pure ethanol (ethy alcohol). I got most of my info from http://www.journeytoforever.org/ethanol.html

And I will agree with you. One more point about E85. When we had that cold snap last month over 1/2 of our cars/vans would not start that morning. If you go to that fuel point at Ft carson there is no more gasoline only E85. My last two have been E85. I get 11-16 MPG in a dodge caravan on E85 and if it gets to 15 it will not start in the morning.

I only have one vehicle that I could program to "hold the injector open longer". The other is mechanical FI and the other three run on Q-jets. ;)

[jerrymrc]

Another good point about Diesel is that in a SHTF scenario, most places will be selling out of gasoline long before they sell out of diesel.



Is K-1 kerosene?

Yes.

[gnihcraes]

propane for heat and cooking, always on hand. 10-15 gallons of unleaded for generator, chainsaw etc, fireplace if I have to use it, neighbors have huge wood piles, I can sneak over in the dark and steal his wood. (if he's not installed the night scope on the AR yet... ) [UZI]

Usually several gallons of unleaded in multiple vehicles, motorcycles etc.