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http://www.myfoxaustin.com/generic/news/live_news/myfoxaustin_livestream_index
Did they give an indication of the plane size?
A Cessna 310 carrying 3 executives from Tesla Motors hit a power distribution center in Palo Alto yesterday, knocking out power to a number of datacenters.
Batteriesnare
02-18-2010, 10:55
Damn, that looks like a lot of damage for a small plane.
A Cessna 172 hit an skyscraper in Tampa after 9/11 and did minimal damage. I guess the only question here is was it intentional or not.
If it's intentional then you can add general aviation to the list of my hobbies being endangered by terrorists.
Reports are this is intentional.
A man set his house on fire, then took off and crashed into that building...FBI is actually next door, but that building DOES house the IRS Last Resort offices, which are the last place to go before the IRS takes everything...
theGinsue
02-18-2010, 11:32
We have a TV on in my shop with the volume all of the way down. I was walking by and I saw the footage with the caption referring to a small plane crashing into a building in Austin, TX.
I immediately had 2 thoughts on this subject:
(1) Was this intentional (word now is that the pilot set his house on fire prior to getting into the plane & he apparently hit the IRS offices in that building).
(2) With all of the small plane crashes that occur (which admittedly aren't that many), you always hear how they crashed into a field or woods or perhaps even a home but you never hear about them crashing into a building in cities.
ETA: Sorry Ridge, you just type faster than me.
Reports are this is intentional.
A man set his house on fire, then took off and crashed into that building...FBI is actually next door, but that building DOES house the IRS Last Resort offices, which are the last place to go before the IRS takes everything...
When people lose everything they lose it.
I don't know, if I had a whole plane I could sell, I might not feel like I was losing everything. I guess that is subjective though. Maybe that guy's plane was the equivalent to my beater car.
the building is along a flight path..... If the IRS was taking my stuff, I wouldn't kill myself, I'd burn it all and laugh when they showed up!!!
IRS may have tried to sieze his assets. They act above and beyond the law and according to the FED they have NO legal authority to do so.
I would blast their ass if they came in my house, Make My Day law applies unles of course they came with local LE which they don't.
Just a bunch of thugs that think they have some power.
AFAIK just like bank foreclosures, it falls on local police deputies to serve eviction notice.
Pilot's manifesto:
http://embeddedart.com/
They are going to villify this guy as hard as they can.
I'm making no comment as to if he deserves it or not, because I don't know or don't care, but you know it's going to happen.
Pilot's manifesto:
http://embeddedart.com/
That is sure one hell of a way to make a statement.
What he posted- the site will probably be shut down soon.
No opinion here, just a repost -
If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.
While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.
Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.
And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!
How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.
How did I get here?
My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.
The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.
That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.
Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.
On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.
The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.
In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.
Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.
For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml) (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).
SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.
(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:
(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.
(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.
Note:
· "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.
· "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.
· "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.
Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.
During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.
After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.
Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.
Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.
Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.
By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.
To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.
So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.
When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.
This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.
I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.
As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.
I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.
I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.
I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.
The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
Joe Stack (1956-2010)
02/18/2010
When people lose everything they lose it.
yep nothing else to live for when the .gov steals everything
Pilot's manifesto:
http://embeddedart.com/
holy crap
iamhunter
02-18-2010, 13:06
Wow. There goes my birthday. [Dunno]
TriggerHappy
02-18-2010, 13:08
I work in the aviation industry, its sad to see. I love aviation, just as i love the gun culture. Im sure the gov't will try and ban aircraft as they have guns. Just one more notch to a not so free america. Its not the product its the user in the end. My .02.
Crazy guy rant is too long for me to read at work, what's the juicy bits
H.
Sounds to me like a tax cheat that got caught. Then blamed the IRS for it, because, it wasn't "his" fault..
For someone who talks so much of his dislike for the middle class paying for others mistakes, I wonder how much this incident will cost me any my kids. Thanks alot...A*% HOLE!
Batteriesnare
02-18-2010, 13:33
Well, his site is down.
Sounds to me like a tax cheat that got caught. Then blamed the IRS for it, because, it wasn't "his" fault..
+1. That's how I read it.
cowboykjohnson
02-18-2010, 13:52
Sounds to me like a tax cheat that got caught. Then blamed the IRS for it, because, it wasn't "his" fault..
+1 That was my thought about it.
I'm already tired of hearing these people interviewed saying stuff like, "He was going as straight and fast as he could!"
Like they know.
Hey, so where was the TSA on this one?
BuffCyclist
02-18-2010, 14:40
Hey, so where was the TSA on this one?
He was an actual threat, so they let him slip on through...[ROFL1]
cowboykjohnson
02-18-2010, 14:41
Hey, so where was the TSA on this one?Making some poor kid take off his leg braces and walk through a metal detector!
He ws going as straight and fast as he could.....
(for Stuart)
Obama to be in Denver later today,, who wants to bet he makes a Photo op outa this..
cowboykjohnson
02-18-2010, 14:47
Obama to be in Denver later today,, who wants to bet he makes a Photo op outa this..
You'd be unwise to bet against these odds.[Beer]
Batteriesnare
02-18-2010, 15:08
Making some poor kid take off his leg braces and walk through a metal detector!
Or doing a cavity search on an 6 year old's iPod.
Moviestar
02-18-2010, 15:34
Wasn't an FBI building, it was an office building that had IRS workers in it.
Think we figured that out awhile back.
Moviestar
02-18-2010, 15:37
title still shows FBI building.
You sound uneducated. Did you take the time to read the thread?
Moviestar
02-18-2010, 15:46
You sound uneducated. Did you take the time to read the thread?
some guy was pissed at irs. burned his house down, took his plane, rammed it into an office building that had irs agents in it. left hate messages on the interweb. you were blaming tsa, when there is nothing they couldve done since it was a private plaine, his wife and kids are ok, and there are f-16s circling the airspace surrounding the crash as a precaution.
learn to update original posts.
edit: oh yeah, and obama was briefed about the crash and is set to land in co later today.
The fact that you really thought I was blaming the TSA shows just how silly it is when you think that merely reading words gives you the whole picture.
Moviestar
02-18-2010, 15:50
Hey, so where was the TSA on this one?
nuff said. It was irrelevant to bring this up being it was a private plane.
Batteriesnare
02-18-2010, 15:52
title still shows FBI building.
I believe only a Mod can alter a thread title.
Moviestar
02-18-2010, 15:56
I believe only a Mod can alter a thread title.
1. edit in advance mode
2. change title.
3. ???
4. Profit.
jerrymrc
02-18-2010, 16:08
yep nothing else to live for when the .gov steals everything
Almost was there once. Let's just say that they waited 6-1/2 years without saying a thing about something I thought had been taken care of. The agent told me how much of my check they were going to take. I told him they would not collect if I did not even have enough to pay the rent. ;)
cowboykjohnson
02-18-2010, 16:11
nuff said. It was irrelevant to bring this up being it was a private plane.
IT WAS A JOKE![Beer]
jerrymrc
02-18-2010, 16:12
1. edit in advance mode
2. change title.
3. ???
4. Profit.
I think only a couple here can do that. I know I can not change the thread title.
Almost was there once. Let's just say that they waited 6-1/2 years without saying a thing about something I thought had been taken care of. The agent told me how much of my check they were going to take. I told him they would not collect if I did not even have enough to pay the rent. ;)
I have nothing but problems with them since 82", they are not a service, they are rude, relentless and I have no respect for anyone that choses to work there.
However todays actions were a little extreme if you ask me.
Seems like this guy went a little out of his way to trash churches as well, but so far in reading this thing (taking a long time because I have work to do) I can't see where he has been "slighted" by churches like he has the government; in his mind.
cowboykjohnson
02-18-2010, 16:35
Just not very religious, I've met people that feel that way about church for no particular reason... it confuses me.
Was he a member of Ted haggards church,,,,,,?? LOL
Not to derail the thread, the church issue is certainly something that can be argued, but I find that a lot of people who feel that way about churches take the "Moviestar" approach. That is where a teacher mentions a few vague facts, then they change their minds and run around spouting about the evil of said topic with little actual knowledge of any facts; whether they are correct or not, I suspect they'll never know.
cowboykjohnson
02-18-2010, 16:43
sounds a lot like politics in college. The GF used to be a little liberal until I went through all the facts with her. Now she gets mad because all the teachers shove on here in class is liberal media and one sided crap. She doesn't mind doing some of it, but wishes they would go into both. Most of the others just soak it up and take it as their own thought with out question.
Sounds to me like a tax cheat that got caught. Then blamed the IRS for it, because, it wasn't "his" fault..
yup.
I talk to people all day who blame the bailout, the govt, and obama for their problems.
they are all just lowlifes that don't pay their bills
[quote=Elhuero;165434]yup.
I talk to people all day who blame the bailout, the govt, and obama for their problems.
Correct.
So, I guess this guy's wife and kid were in the house when he started the fire. I haven't heard if they were asleep and he tried to kill them or not though. Seems pretty selfish.
Another report said they drove up and said that is or house....
and earlier they confirmed he was dead in the building, now they say they haven't found the body,,,
Media, can't get nutin right.
guy just sounds like a bum. plain and simple. had what many people would love to have, thought he "deserved" more, tried to cheat to get it, got busted and then somehow blames his consequences on everyone else.
From what I've read (about 3/5) it seems like some of the tax code he is saying we should be upset about, he is directly responsible for.
1. edit in advance mode
2. change title.
3. ???
4. Profit.
I did change the thread title about an hour after I posted. It changed the title in the thread, but wont change the title in the forum view...
Wasn't an FBI building, it was an office building that had IRS workers in it.
you're about as fast as a liberal.[BooHoo]
yup.
I talk to people all day who blame the bailout, the govt, and obama for their problems.
they are all just lowlifes that don't pay their bills
and a lot of the same people looking for handouts when a tax credit or something "free" is going to be handed out.
I did change the thread title about an hour after I posted. It changed the title in the thread, but wont change the title in the forum view...
don't worry ridge, moviestar is a college genius that knows everything. hell I bet he even knows how to log into your account and magically change the thread title himself. I am surprised it hasn't already been done.
Guys, lets keep the thread on topic, okay? If you guys want to argue, do it through the IM system all you want...
you have to ask a Moderator or Admin to change the title for you -
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