View Full Version : Shooting in Middle School in Jeff Co
SA Friday
02-23-2010, 16:59
Here we go again.
Which one?
I don't hear sirens, so it probably isn't Everitt or Wheat Ridge Middle.
SA Friday
02-23-2010, 17:02
Deer Creek Middle School. Two students shot, Adult male shooter already in custody.
Oh, Deer Creek Middle in Littleton.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/deer-creek-middle-school_n_473943.html
rhineoshott
02-23-2010, 17:08
Thats why all those cops were zipping around.
rhineoshott
02-23-2010, 17:18
Watching choppers in the air...
When are they going to Outlaw criminals.
Good to know that the injuries were not life threatening
brian1277
02-23-2010, 17:27
"Deer Creek Middle School is located at 9201 W. Columbine Dr. in Littleton, Jefferson County. It offers grades 7-8 and is 78 percent white and 8 percent Hispanic."
So "78% white and 8% hispanic"........ What does this have to do with anything with the shooting???
So when they say "adult" male, are we talking like 19 or 46?
SA Friday
02-23-2010, 17:30
So when they say "adult" male, are we talking like 19 or 46?
It's way too early to tell anything but the basics. It's going to have to play out until the exact info is released. Take everything you hear right now with a grain of salt.
Rifle, camo pants, who knows the media is always quick to misreport the news.
"Deer Creek Middle School is located at 9201 W. Columbine Dr. in Littleton, Jefferson County. It offers grades 7-8 and is 78 percent white and 8 percent Hispanic."
So "78% white and 8% hispanic"........ What does this have to do with anything with the shooting???
Brian it doesn't, they literally have no more information than anyone with Google searching for these things would have, and they're printing it.
I luv the media, "were you scared" "were you in school"
what the fuk. No I wasn't scared, I was smokin in the boys room.. You fuk'n moron.
who knows the media is always quick to misreport the news.
You pegged that one correctly.
I just don't understand the cowardice of shooting unarmed children.
Some high school kids keep doing burn outs in a riced out CRX up and down my street. I'm thinking about taking a shot at them with the garden hose.
When I was in High School (in the dark ages) we had race riots, shootings, knifeings, and beatings beyond comprehension. 2 dead 3 really fuked up. I got cut, and a freind stabbed.
We didn't have SWAT, and very little media coverage. The cops kicked ass, and the race riot thing never again came about at our school.
So with all the wonderful security we have now how the hell does this shit happen?
No wonder you moved to Bailey.
Only if you Have a well the city will site you for using city water. LOL
Batteriesnare
02-23-2010, 17:54
Damn, what the hell?
brian1277
02-23-2010, 18:02
It is just crazy.
My wife works for a school district just south of us for a few schools.
Her office in one of the schools is the first door as you come in the building.
When someone comes in the building there is no one there to check you in, you have to go in the office. so you can just walk in and do as you want.
The teachers can not even have a small pocket knife, like the little swiss army knife is a no no. just crazy
Thats like 2 miles from Columbine. Not that they have anything incommon besides being schools in Jefferson county. Thats the third shooting at a Jefferson county school in 11 years.
well at least now the media has something to harp on for a week or more.
Who is the gunman, what was his motive, why did he chose this school, is my hair ok.....
GreenScoutII
02-23-2010, 18:18
Awful, just plain awful. I understand no one was killed so thats good at least, but I hate to think what the anti gunners are going to do with this. Ugh.
ronaldrwl
02-23-2010, 18:24
I can see the chopper outside my window. It's been circling for hours
If everything is done, what is the chopper still there for?
Overkill, and to keep the public scared.
Chris2087
02-23-2010, 18:31
Criminals (or wacked out professors) dont pay attention to gun free zones at schools
In addition to attempted murder and bringing a firearm onto a K-12 school property, that guy should get tickets for operating a firearm within city limits and shooting at non-paper and non-metallic targets. Also for wearing camo pants.
Two news helicopters just passed over my office from the south heading north (basically up Kipling) so I imagine they all just cleared out.
But, But, they are in violation of the law,, what is going on, can't they read.
Glad ole 7th grade math teach had some balls.
i am waiting on more info on this cause from my understanding most schools now 9th grade and under are in lock down 24/7 all doors going in are locked besides when kids are dropped off and picked up, the schools i know of you have to press a button and they look at you from a camra and you have to state why you are there than they buzz you in. alot of the main glass doors are bullet proof too, but than again im up north in boulder county. this is what i had to do when i was a student aid.
Even though we had the Emily Keyes situation we can still go to the school and walk right in during school hours.
i am waiting on more info on this cause from my understanding most schools now 9th grade and under are in lock down 24/7 all doors going in are locked besides when kids are dropped off and picked up, the schools i know of you have to press a button and they look at you from a camra and you have to state why you are there than they buzz you in. alot of the main glass doors are bullet proof too, but than again im up north in boulder county. this is what i had to do when i was a student aid.
Interesting, I've never once heard of a school doing that, and I wouldn't want to send my kid to a school that did.
coop wrote
than again im up north in boulder county.
That explains it.
Both helicopters just came back over. One was 850 KOA. Probably going up I-25 to report the traffic.
my senior year my old k-5th grade school did this every day i had to press the button. Even the schools here in NE have something in the same lines, out here there is a bullet proof class between you and the person and a speaker like you would find at a bank even a trofft or way to transfer papers with out contact pretty crazy! [Help]
Mtn Man is right im up north by boulder so there are plenty of people that will fork over the money up here.
what blows my mind is that boulder high school is right next to Gun sport the only gun store in boulder 100 yards not even from the school off 14th and arapohe?
battle_sight_zero
02-23-2010, 18:55
Update: per the bus driver that watched the shooting and helped subdue the suspect informed the media that the rifle was a 30/30. The shooting took place outside the school at dismissal. Sounds like several staff members did thier part in getting this man down. Described as 20 something male.
Thats like 2 miles from Columbine. Not that they have anything incommon besides being schools in Jefferson county. Thats the third shooting at a Jefferson county school in 11 years.
That was my Junior high, and the second shooting there. There was a shooting early '80s when I went to school there. It was a feeder school to Columbine, but now to one of the new ones. My kids would have gone to school there if we had not moved.
Definately Hi Powered,, next thing it will be an "assault" 30/30.
First time there has been a shooter alive afterward? Well, didn't some middle school kids try to snipe some kids at an elementary school some where in the midwest a little after Columbine? I don't remember.
Unfortunate... And once again: "Gun free" zones are "safe zones" for criminals.
To the two guys who tackled him: Should've "accidently" twisted the neck on the way down.
Praying for the families....
[Rant2]I pick up my kids after school, and lets say this happens to me. ( I have a CCW) I'm in my car and this idiot starts shootin. Can I get out of my car and put a cap in his skull. Or am I going away for a long time, because I will kill the Mother Fker.
[Rant2]I pick up my kids after school, and lets say this happens to me. ( I have a CCW) I'm in my car and this idiot starts shootin. Can I get out of my car and put a cap in his skull. Or am I going away for a long time, because I will kill the Mother Fker.
You might go to jail, but it's really the only course of action.
sabot_round
02-23-2010, 20:22
Unfortunate... And once again: "Gun free" zones are "safe zones" for criminals.
To the two guys who tackled him: Should've "accidently" twisted the neck on the way down.
Praying for the families....
+1,000,000,000 Prayers to the families and those involved!!
SA Friday
02-23-2010, 20:53
[Rant2]I pick up my kids after school, and lets say this happens to me. ( I have a CCW) I'm in my car and this idiot starts shootin. Can I get out of my car and put a cap in his skull. Or am I going away for a long time, because I will kill the Mother Fker.
Necessity legal defense based on self-defense... Would be virtually impossible to put 12 together to convict. Wouldn't be worth the DA's time.
Shoot.
sabot_round
02-23-2010, 21:02
Necessity legal defense based on self-defense... Would be virtually impossible to put 12 together to convict. Wouldn't be worth the DA's time.
Shoot.
Be careful with that statement, you might come up on the list as a right wing extrimist!![Tooth][Tooth]
SA Friday
02-23-2010, 21:18
Be careful with that statement, you might come up on the list as a right wing extrimist!![Tooth][Tooth]
Hell, I'm mellow compared to some of this crowd.
Am I the only one wishing that someone had, after tackling the shooter to the ground, sheathed a knife in his throat?
Birddog1911
02-23-2010, 23:07
Am I the only one wishing that someone had, after tackling the shooter to the ground, sheathed a knife in his throat?
No, no your not.
Prayers for the family.
Thats like 2 miles from Columbine. Not that they have anything incommon besides being schools in Jefferson county. Thats the third shooting at a Jefferson county school in 11 years.
sounds to me like they need to make a change and allow CCW for the teachers.
Awful, just plain awful. I understand no one was killed so thats good at least, but I hate to think what the anti gunners are going to do with this. Ugh.
turn it in to the "almost" columbine. they are still running columbine episodes, having the mom of one of the shooters come out to talk etc. etc.
i am waiting on more info on this cause from my understanding most schools now 9th grade and under are in lock down 24/7 all doors going in are locked besides when kids are dropped off and picked up, the schools i know of you have to press a button and they look at you from a camra and you have to state why you are there than they buzz you in. alot of the main glass doors are bullet proof too, but than again im up north in boulder county. this is what i had to do when i was a student aid.
not true. I substitute teach on some of my days off, parents are both just retired teachers, fiance and my sister and brother in law are teachers.
Definately Hi Powered,, next thing it will be an "assault" 30/30.
you didn't know that 30/30s had 50 round drum magazines and cop killer bullets laced with cyanide did you.[Help]
I'm pretty interested in hearing his motive. I hear that he walked up to some kids, asked if they went to the school, then started shooting kids.
First time there has been a shooter alive afterward? Well, didn't some middle school kids try to snipe some kids at an elementary school some where in the midwest a little after Columbine? I don't remember.
yeah I remember something like that, but I think they were caught before anything terrible happened.
[Rant2]I pick up my kids after school, and lets say this happens to me. ( I have a CCW) I'm in my car and this idiot starts shootin. Can I get out of my car and put a cap in his skull. Or am I going away for a long time, because I will kill the Mother Fker.
you are supposed to be able to defend a threat against your life or another persons life.
if you went out and saved the children I think you would be safe. just make sure the cops know who you are before they start shooting at you.
well prayers to the family, glad nobody was killed and hopefully the shooter suffers a thousand ass rapings before death.
night all.
i am waiting on more info on this cause from my understanding most schools now 9th grade and under are in lock down 24/7 all doors going in are locked besides when kids are dropped off and picked up, the schools i know of you have to press a button and they look at you from a camra and you have to state why you are there than they buzz you in. alot of the main glass doors are bullet proof too, but than again im up north in boulder county. this is what i had to do when i was a student aid.
Sounds like a very fancy school...I can tell you none of the schools I attended in Aurora had anything remotely like that...
It was a 30.06. It would have to be a boltaction hunting style rifle. The guy was a troubled 32 year old. There is nothing you can do to stop a random crazy person from doing this.
Kid took a 30.06 to the chest and is recovering in a hospital?
Not too many Germans that can claim that...
Glock Shooter
02-24-2010, 06:10
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/22653484/detail.html
JEFFERSON COUNTY, Colo. -- A seventh-grade math teacher is being called a hero. David Benke, a 6-foot-5 former college basketball player who oversees the school's track team, tackled the suspected gunman at Deer Creek Middle School as he was trying to reload his weapon."(The shooter) was trying to rack another round," Benke said. "I knew he couldn't get another round in before I got to him, so I grabbed him."
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As a parent of a 15 year old High School student, THANK YOU DAVID BENKE!!!
BLESS THIS HERO and may there be MORE like him!!!
Sounds like a very fancy school...I can tell you none of the schools I attended in Aurora had anything remotely like that...
It must be a boulder thing, this is just what i have seen with my own two eyes it could just be the ST vrain schools have some of these systems in place at schools have not seen this in highschools though.
sniper7- well i am guessing its cause im up north close to boulder area, but i know for sure niwot elementry has this system since 2008 i had to use it two years ago to get into the school. Maybe a select few have this in place. so i will through out the idea that all the schools have this system since most dont from the sound of it.
prayers to the families, good thing nobody was killed.
Sounds like a very fancy school...I can tell you none of the schools I attended in Aurora had anything remotely like that...
Its Aurora!
Kid took a 30.06 to the chest and is recovering in a hospital?
Not too many Germans that can claim that...
ain't that the truth.
guy was probably using fmj and it went straight through, maybe missing most of the vitals.
It must be a boulder thing, this is just what i have seen with my own two eyes it could just be the ST vrain schools have some of these systems in place at schools have not seen this in highschools though.
sniper7- well i am guessing its cause im up north close to boulder area, but i know for sure niwot elementry has this system since 2008 i had to use it two years ago to get into the school. Maybe a select few have this in place. so i will through out the idea that all the schools have this system since most dont from the sound of it.
prayers to the families, good thing nobody was killed.
yeah there are a few schools out there that do it, but most of them do not. It usually tends to be the higher funded schools. Even then it would not stop someone from waiting outside in their vehicle getting out when school is over with kids everywhere.
It is very unfortunate. there really is no good way to stop things like this from happening, gun free zones are just safe houses from whack jobs and killers.
Birddog1911
02-24-2010, 09:13
Peter Boyles on 630AM said something about this guy being a mentally disturbed person who used his father's rifle. Try to get more details.
That's what they are saying, he was off his meds, and he heard voices in his head.
Defense lawyers will blame it on healthcare, lack of, and the falling economy, etc.
I'm not doubting the mentally disturbed, or trying to take anything away from this conversation....
but why is it that when someone commits a crime now a days, it is never their fault?
It's always blamed on something else... mental deficientcies, poor childhood raising, etc.
you didn't know that 30/30s had 50 round drum magazines and cop killer bullets laced with cyanide did you.[Help]
Gotta watch them full auto lever actions......
It is the way our society has become, lawyers have used it so many times it is becoming the norm.
sabot_round
02-24-2010, 11:26
Hell, I'm mellow compared to some of this crowd.
I know, I'm just giving you a hard time!![Beer] [Stooge]
Peter Boyles on 630AM said something about this guy being a mentally disturbed person who used his father's rifle. Try to get more details.
The father called-in live to Boyle's show this morning, while it was limited discourse the segment was interesting to listen to considering the timing and relationship to the shooter.
kidicarus13
02-24-2010, 13:16
[Rant2]I pick up my kids after school, and lets say this happens to me. ( I have a CCW) I'm in my car and this idiot starts shootin. Can I get out of my car and put a cap in his skull. Or am I going away for a long time, because I will kill the Mother Fker.
So someone is shooting kids at a middle school with a rifle and as a CCW holder you're questioning whether or not you can shoot?! Is there a more black and white situation for which you initially decided to carry a gun in the first place? BLAST THE F%#*ER! [AR15]
So someone is shooting kids at a middle school with a rifle and as a CCW holder you're questioning whether or not you can shoot?! Is there a more black and white situation for which you initially decided to carry a gun in the first place? BLAST THE F%#*ER! [AR15]
Gun free zone means the law abiding citizens ;)
yeah there are a few schools out there that do it, but most of them do not. It usually tends to be the higher funded schools. Even then it would not stop someone from waiting outside in their vehicle getting out when school is over with kids everywhere.
It is very unfortunate. there really is no good way to stop things like this from happening, gun free zones are just safe houses from whack jobs and killers.
i cant agree with you more sniper7.
well I got on the radio this morning![Tooth]
92.5 I think it was...scanning through the stations and they were talking about it. I mentioned CCW for teachers, and how schools are just safe houses for nut jobs. With budget cuts for police and schools, less safety about and more and more whack jobs going nuts after they lose everything, some well trained CCW teachers would at a minimum help deter criminals from coming to schools, plus give peace of mind that they have the opportunity to defend the students if necessary.
another woman called in and said the same thing. so at least the thought is out there.
rhineoshott
02-24-2010, 14:39
well I got on the radio this morning![Tooth]
92.5 I think it was...scanning through the stations and they were talking about it. I mentioned CCW for teachers, and how schools are just safe houses for nut jobs. With budget cuts for police and schools, less safety about and more and more whack jobs going nuts after they lose everything, some well trained CCW teachers would at a minimum help deter criminals from coming to schools, plus give peace of mind that they have the opportunity to defend the students if necessary.
another woman called in and said the same thing. so at least the thought is out there.
Thank you for doing that! That is how we make a difference.
Did you point out that you are a teacher?
MuzzleFlash
02-24-2010, 16:47
More about the math teacher that was a sheep dog when the wolf was inside the flock.
http://cbs4denver.com/local/david.benke.deer.2.1516270.html
Here are some quotes from Dr. Benke, the math teacher that tackled the shooter. Tell me this guy doesn't know something about guns:
"I saw that the guy had a rifle and then, unfortunately, he got another round off. I was walking towards him and then I realized that it was a bolt action rifle and that he wasn't going to be able to load quickly enough, and so I grabbed him," Benke said.
"What I noticed was that he was trying to manipulate the action of the rifle and that I had time to grab him before he could get another shot off. I didn't even think about whether he had a pistol or anything like that."
Note that he called it a rifle, not a gun, referred to a round, not a bullet, correctly observed (even under extreme duress) that it was a bolt action and recognized that reloading a bolt action wasn't exactly tactically expedient. He also correctly refered to the action of the gun. These are not the words of a shepple educrat.
We can all thank God that there was a sheep dog with the lambs that day. If he had been allowed to carry a pocket Glock I'm willing to speculate that their wouldn't be a second shot and the whack job would be on a morgue table instead of sucking up our tax dollars for the next 20 years. That's how the Israelis solved their school shooting problem a few decades back.
This is much better than someone seeing a gun and diving behind a picnic table expecting full auto fire.
Thank you for doing that! That is how we make a difference.
not a problem!
Did you point out that you are a teacher?
no I didn't.
This is much better than someone seeing a gun and diving behind a picnic table expecting full auto fire.
exactly. at least people are starting to grow some balls.
in addition to this, now look at airlines, passengers are already pissed, now they WANT someone to create a problem on an airplane so they can tackle them, beat the hell out of them and get called a hero for it.
now I know that isn't everyones motives, but I have seen and heard of a few examples already.
Yup, don't be an ass on da plane or you will get it kicked.
That's how the Israelis solved their school shooting problem a few decades back.
Exactly. You take/hurt my kids... you die. PERIOD. Germany also did this to great effect.
Interesting gun facts:
http://ecclesia.org/truth/gun_facts.html
More about the math teacher that was a sheep dog when the wolf was inside the flock.
http://cbs4denver.com/local/david.benke.deer.2.1516270.html
Here are some quotes from Dr. Benke, the math teacher that tackled the shooter. Tell me this guy doesn't know something about guns:
"I saw that the guy had a rifle and then, unfortunately, he got another round off. I was walking towards him and then I realized that it was a bolt action rifle and that he wasn't going to be able to load quickly enough, and so I grabbed him," Benke said.
"What I noticed was that he was trying to manipulate the action of the rifle and that I had time to grab him before he could get another shot off. I didn't even think about whether he had a pistol or anything like that."
Note that he called it a rifle, not a gun, referred to a round, not a bullet, correctly observed (even under extreme duress) that it was a bolt action and recognized that reloading a bolt action wasn't exactly tactically expedient. He also correctly refered to the action of the gun. These are not the words of a shepple educrat.
We can all thank God that there was a sheep dog with the lambs that day. If he had been allowed to carry a pocket Glock I'm willing to speculate that their wouldn't be a second shot and the whack job would be on a morgue table instead of sucking up our tax dollars for the next 20 years. That's how the Israelis solved their school shooting problem a few decades back.
Excellent post!
Agreed 100%
Why are schools still closed? This was an isolated incident and they have the guy. What's the deal?
Why are schools still closed? This was an isolated incident and they have the guy. What's the deal?
Spreading the public fear and making sure the kids are not "emotionally damage". Bunch of bull Q!$%^&&
I'd understand if a bunch of kids died and they were having memorials or something, but that isn't the case. If I my kid was attending those schools, I'd be calling and yelling at them.
Yes Sir, it's our PCness.... They have to give the kids the "correct amount of time to mourn" even though all the kids are thinking is "Yes!! No school today!"
Heard on the radio the they were still doing the investigation this morning Because they didn't finish before it got too dark last night..
Take it fwiw...
I just question about the gun myself.
I find it difficult to buy that someone could be standing there with a full size 30-06 and the 2 kids he was talking with, and teachers in the area wern't aware of it.
My guess would be that he had chopped the barrel and stock down. If he removed the stock completely it would explain why he was having trouble reloading it. Not easy to work the action on a bolt-action without a stock.
And if it was cut down, odds are shorter than legal limits...yet another law that the criminal ignored. Add that to 2 counts of attempted murder, a firearm on school property, discharge within city limits...but I'm sure they will pass another law. They will do it for the kids.
At any average high school in America there are 100's of school kids walking around after class and a handful of adults. Most of my teachers were either still doing stuff back in their class rooms or bailed just as early as the kids did. If he had cut anything down, we would have heard about it by now. No need to further sensationalize this.
theGinsue
03-09-2010, 10:07
I agree with WETWRKS in that I expect to see more useless legislation come out of this.
How many local, state, and federal laws did Klebold & Harris violate in the Columbine shootings - yet folks SCREAMED to get more laws on the books.
I don't expect anything from this because I already don't hear about it anymore. However, I already can't trust and am no longer surprised by that bicycle crashing asshole, his supporters, and his friends.
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