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XJ
02-24-2010, 14:35
http://www.gazette.com/opinion/state-94668-gun-ban.html

Sheriff says he'll undermine gun ban (vote in poll)
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Anti-gun theorists impose dangerous policy
February 23, 2010 6:10 PM

The Colorado State University Board of Governors voted unanimously Tuesday to place students at both of its campuses in harm’s way with a sweeping weapons ban law-abiding citizens will obey and criminals will ignore.

Larimer County Sheriff James Alderden, outraged by the ban, told The Gazette’s opinion department he will undermine it in the interest of student safety.

CSU-Fort Collins Police Chief Wendy Rich-Goldsmith, a relative newcomer to the campus, supports the ban.

“I have told the CSU police chief I will not support this in any way,” Sheriff Alderden told The Gazette. “If anyone with one of my permits gets arrested for concealed carry at CSU, I will refuse to book that person into my jail. Furthermore, I will show up at court and testify on that person’s behalf, and I will do whatever I can to discourage a conviction. I will not be a party to this very poor decision.”

Though each CSU campus has its own police department, Alderden issues all cops on the Fort Collins campus a deputy sheriff’s commission card. He also runs the county’s jail, which campus police use after making arrests.

Alderden said ban advocates have been unable to cite a single study or statistic to show that students will be safer as a result of a weapons ban. He’s convinced they will be much less safe as a result of the ban, which will leave most students defenseless. The ban establishes the campuses as “soft targets,” meaning armed criminals will have a reasonable expectation their intended victims aren’t armed.

“There are volumes of statistical and anecdotal data that show populations are safer when law-abiding citizens are permitted to carry concealed weapons,” Alderden said.

Six years after Alderden began issuing permits, he noticed the homicide rate in his jurisdiction had dropped.

At CSU-Fort Collins, the ban includes pepper spray, in quantities greater than an ounce, and Tasers.

“This ban, which is broad and encompassing, basically denies students at the Fort Collins campus any defensive capacity at all,” Alderden said. “It’s a weapons-free zone for law-abiding people, and it won’t do a single thing to keep armed criminals off of campus. It will only ensure them a lot of defenseless victims. The people who did this are lost in their own world of ideological liberalism. You would think people involved in academia would want to deal in data and experience, but this has been all about emotion.”

Alderden said he realized the sentiment against self-defense is based in emotion after speaking with a public school teacher who asked him to stop issuing concealment permits. He showed her data that prove concealed carry reduces crime. He told her concealed carry would help reduce violent crime in Fort Collins and the rest of Larimer County — a sentiment shared by El Paso County Sheriff Terry Maketa and a growing number of ranking law enforcement officials regarding their own jurisdictions.

“I made the whole case, based in provable facts. The teacher said, and I quote, ‘I don’t care about the facts.’ She only cared about her emotional response,” Alderden said.

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The student Senate of the Fort Collins campus opposed the ban by a 23-1 vote. That means CSU governors, and administrators who pushed for the ban, don’t seem to care what their customers think. The Student Senate at Pueblo approved the ban, only after administrators said “weapons” did not include Tasers or pepper spray.

“God forbid we have something like the tragedy at Virginia Tech at one of these campuses,” Alderden said, referring to a notorious shooting spree in which a lunatic wantonly killed for hours, while a gun ban ensured him no students or faculty would shoot back.

Alderden questions the legality of the ban, saying the legislature never discussed excluding college campuses when it passed a shall-issue concealed-carry law in 2003. The law requires county sheriff's to issue concealment permits to law-abiding residents without felonies, misdemeanor domestic violence records, or other other disqualifying conditions. Furthermore, he said students who ignore the ban won’t have legal problems if they don’t get caught.

“If it’s properly concealed, so that nobody sees the weapon, it probably won’t be a problem,” Alderden said.

In the event a concealed weapon is needed for defense of self or others, it would become evident to law enforcement. In that unlikely event, Alderden said, safety trumps legal concerns.

“They say it’s better to be judged by 12 than carried by six,” Alderden said.

That’s the advice of a lawman with a record of reducing crime. The ban is the work of academic ideologues, who theorize about safety and crime. Hope and pray the academicians don’t find themselves begging forgiveness someday, in the wake of a horrible crime. — Wayne Laugesen, editorial page editor, for the editorial board

GreenScoutII
02-24-2010, 14:43
OUTSTANDING!!!!! Alderden is definately one of the good guys! I could not be more pleased with his decision not to enforce or participate in a BS ban policy. OUTSTANDING!!!!!![Beer]

Irving
02-24-2010, 14:45
Dudley Brown from RMGO sent out an email with a youtube video of the sheriff saying similar things at the campus protest a few weeks ago.

BigBear
02-24-2010, 15:00
Give the man a raise!

TFOGGER
02-24-2010, 15:17
Alderden for Governor?

[Beer]

newracer
02-24-2010, 15:19
Well he won't be Sheriff much longer due to term limits so Governor would be great.

Just a note, he was basically elected due to his stance on concealed carry. Back then Colorado was not a shall issue state, it was up to the sheriff to decide. The previous sheriff would not give a permit to anyone, even his own employees. Alderden came out during the race and said anyone who was law abiding would be granted a permit by him.

coop68
02-24-2010, 15:39
and there goes my respect for the board at CSU for banning CCW. [Rant1]
+1 for the officers remarks. [Beer]

cowboykjohnson
02-24-2010, 16:22
Alderden for Governor?

[Beer]I'd vote for him! Very well said!

Troublco
02-24-2010, 16:46
Alderden for Governor?

[Beer]

+1!!!!

Backinblackrifles
02-24-2010, 17:30
Alderden for Governor?

[Beer]

Lets try president.[Coffee]

funkfool
02-24-2010, 17:44
Is Alderden's term up - and IS he term limited?

I keep getting emails from Bruning - anyone know anything about him?:



Currently, the Larimer County Sheriff's office is entering concealed-carry permit holders into a statewide computer database.
The issue of being flagged in a government database as a “person of interest” is a major concern to permit holders. Even more troubling is the potential of law enforcement to link that information with other databases.
It is my belief that the government (and those with access to this database) have no right to know who has a concealed-carry permit.
As your Constitutional Sheriff, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall NOT be infringed! I WILL NEVER enter concealed-carry permit holders in any database!
I will staunchly defend your 2nd Amendment rights, and pledge to the following:
- I SUPPORT the repeal of “instant” Brady background check legislation, since it centrally registers gun sales and gun owners
- I SUPPORT Vermont-style legislation to allow law-abiding citizens to carry openly or concealed for any reason (except the commission of a crime)
- I WILL sign Form 4’s for law-abiding citizens here in Larimer County
- I WILL take public positions in favor of your right to keep and bear arms
Watch the video here: Bruning for Sheriff: NO! Concealed-Carry Database (http://carlbruning.com/2010/02/bruning-for-sheriff-no-concealed-carry-database/)
As Benjamin Franklin said in 1759, "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
As your Constitutional Sheriff, I will stand up and defend your 2nd Amendment rights!
Join our Facebook page and please donate to help us win this race for Sheriff!
For Liberty,
Carl Bruning
http://www.carlbruning.com/


And this specifically does not seem to be true:


Currently, the Larimer County Sheriff's office is entering concealed-carry permit holders into a statewide computer database.


From the Larimer County Sherri's Office FAQ's:

I'm thinking about getting a concealed carry permit. Are the owners of concealed carry permits public record?
No, the names of CCW permit holders are not public record and can only be disclosed to law enforcement personnel to verify a permit's authenticity.
http://www.larimersheriff.org/FAQ/

Just wondering - I don't live in Larimer County so - I have no skin in this game...

sniper7
02-24-2010, 17:58
some counties will put the CCW holder into a database and if you get pulled over they will run your plate or your ID and it will show up on the cops screen.

not sure if everyone does this or not, I know adams county does.

Birddog1911
02-24-2010, 20:48
I wish we could get this Sheriff down here to replace Sheriff Makita (sp) when his term is up!

ryanek9freak
02-24-2010, 21:16
[Bang]
I wish we could get this Sheriff down here to replace Sheriff Makita (sp) when his term is up!
If you haven't heard, Terry changed his mind, and is running again. Everyone likes him so much, he's pretty much a shoe in.

SA Friday
02-24-2010, 21:32
The state wide database is CCIC (CO Crime Information Center). I've had access to dozens of LE computer systems over the years, and this one in peticular for about 4 years. You know how the cop goes back to his car after stopping your for speeding? They run your info in CCIC and NCIC for wants and warrants. When they do this, you show as a person of interest. This can happen for a lot of reasons. Sometimes the cop checks why, sometimes they don't. I don't know the criteria for identifying someone as a person of interest, but I surmise anyone ever printed with a blue fingerprint card (cataloged, non-criminal) like Dr's, Nurses, teachers, cops, etc... are tagged as a POI. I could be wrong though.

SA Friday
02-24-2010, 21:35
Oh, ya, forgot. You get printed and cataloged for access to CCIC too. Access is very controlled and anyone getting caught abusing it loses access. It's an active LE telecommunications system. I would equate the amount of security on it and the level of requests and approvals for access to CCIC is almost equivalent to a military's secret computer systems.

newracer
02-24-2010, 23:33
Is Alderden's term up - and IS he term limited?


Yes and yes

Jer
02-25-2010, 01:41
Alderden/Epic Beard Man 2012!

Ed_S
02-25-2010, 08:30
Thankfully someone with some common sense, good for him. Time for me to get out out of hippie Boulder County and move to Larimar:)

Got to love that teacher (aka idiot) 'I don't care about the facts'.

I thought the CSU ban was illegal as it didn't comply with state laws? Either that or I miss read an article somewhere else?

Birddog1911
02-25-2010, 09:39
Hey, thanks, Ryan! I had not heard that he changed his mind. Must have been when I was in the Bahamas.


[Bang]
If you haven't heard, Terry changed his mind, and is running again. Everyone likes him so much, he's pretty much a shoe in.

funkfool
02-25-2010, 10:15
Hey, thanks, Ryan! I had not heard that he changed his mind. Must have been when I was in the Bahamas.
Read all about it:
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20140

Bahamas...
Sheesh!
[ROFL1][Tooth]