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TFOGGER
03-01-2010, 10:51
I purchased this a while back as a CCW piece, but just finally got a chance to wring it out at the range yesterday.

Initial impressions: Extremely light weight. Pretty thin, and compact overall, particularly for a 9mm with 10+1 capacity. Fits my wide, short fingered paws fairly well. I added the fingergrip floorplate to the magazine prior to shooting as a comfort measure. The sights are conventional square notch rear, with a fairly low profile and rounded edges, combined with a decent front. OEM sights are set up with white dots front and rear, which offer pretty average visibility. I'll probably upgrade these as time and funds allow (tritium night sights).

Shooting: Recoil is sharp, but reasonably controllable. I am VERY glad I installed the optional floorplate, however. Trigger action is DAO, and requires a very long, stiff pull. Possibly the worst trigger pull of anything I have shot this century, but not unexpected on a DAO gun with no mechanical safety. I had one failure to extract/eject in the first magazine, put it down to new gun hiccup. After that, I put about another 110 rounds of various ammo down range, with no stoppages. Accuracy was good, with 90% headshots at 50 ft on a reduced B-29 silhouette. I did manage to pinch the base of my right ring finger pretty good when swapping magazines(New Gun Gods extracting their required Blood Sacrifice), so a little caution is advised during magazine changes. The slide release is very low profile, and pretty tough to get a thumb on. It's fairly stiff, but got better as the day wore on.

I installed the optional belt clip on this, and now understand why they recommend thread locker, as it started to loosen after about 50 rounds. After re-tightening, I had no further issues, but I'll take it apart when I clean it and loctite it anyway.

Overall, I give it a B+ as a carry gun. This is not one I'll shoot much for pleasure, but as an inexpensive, easily concealable carry weapon, it is quite satisfactory.

funkfool
03-02-2010, 11:40
Trigger action is DAO, and requires a very long, stiff pull. Possibly the worst trigger pull of anything I have shot this century, but not unexpected on a DAO gun with no mechanical safety.
I concur...
I picked one of these up for the wife... took it and her to the range and let her fire it... she knew with one mag she didn't like it. I shot it and agreed.
Why?
It has a VERY long trigger pull and very long trigger reset.
I was wearing thin gloves and had trouble getting my finger in between the front trigger guard and trigger and then when I released the trigger to reset it - it did not reset - my glove was too thick to allow it to travel back far enough...
Trigger resets at the trigger rest point it seems.
Just my 0.02¢

TFOGGER
03-02-2010, 13:38
I'm guessing the trigger was designed by product liability lawyers. As a CCW piece, I can live with the long first pull, but yeah, the reset is stupid long, and the final letoff has to be 15 lbs or more...

Irving
03-02-2010, 13:46
How does the DOA trigger compare to Kahr's DOA? I'm not trying to derail the thread, just curious.

funkfool
03-02-2010, 16:04
No experience with Kahr's - TFOGGER?

TFOGGER
03-02-2010, 16:16
No experience with the Kahrs, but I know I've seen a few come up for sale on here, so someone has to have shot one...

Irving
03-02-2010, 16:17
I've dry fired in the store, and they also have very long, DAO trigger pulls, but I don't usually think about trigger reset or anything. Also, I wasn't wearing gloves either.

TFOGGER
03-02-2010, 16:32
The Kahrs are probably quite a bit heavier than the KelTec, so recoil should be less of an issue. They are also more of a conventional striker fired design, so the trigger pull should be lighter. I haven't had a lot of chance to handle one, so I can't speak to things like pull quality and reset.

Irving
03-02-2010, 16:54
So, are you keeping the Kel tec then? I had a chance to shoot a Kel tec 380 a few years ago, but didn't, so I don't know what a pocket gun feels like. Is it less comfortable than shooting say a light weight 38 special revolver?

TFOGGER
03-02-2010, 17:16
Yeah, gonna keep it as a CCW piece. If I need to use it, I'm not going to be worried about recoil or trigger pull. Recoil is sharper than my J frame w/+p, but the Keltec is a LOT lighter.

tropicdive
03-02-2010, 19:03
You can send it back to kel tec and they will change the springs for you and will have about half the pressure. Only had to pay for the shipping for the work done. If you get a chance to try the pf-9 all the diffence in the world, same kick but the trigger is great for a doa.

68Charger
03-02-2010, 23:16
Overall, I give it a B+ as a carry gun. This is not one I'll shoot much for pleasure, but as an inexpensive, easily concealable carry weapon, it is quite satisfactory.

Good review, pretty much the conclusion I came to- will make a good summer CCW, when it's hot out... no more imprint than a wallet with the right holster, and it will fit in a decent sized auto ashtray!

I expected the worst with the trigger, and found it not to be as bad as I thought it would be- after my 2nd shot at 10 yards, I thought I missed the paper- but found a slightly oblong single hole... was surprised the accuracy was so good with such a long, hard trigger pull.. the rest of the first mag was mostly in a baseball sized group, with 1-2 flyers (but still on the paper)

I will probably tighten the groups with more practice, but for what it's for, It's more than adequate... I'll try it with gloves to make sure I don't fall for that issue- thanks for the heads up, funkfool... I found myself using a fingertip to deal with the long trigger pull.. just felt better that way.

this one is old enough that it has the heavier trigger- Kel-tec has updated springs that will drop it from 10.5-11 Lb to 8.5Lb trigger..supposedly that's what is in their newer pistols.. if you're anywhere around 15Lb, you may want to have them look at it...

Also, the PF9 trigger requires the slide to be racked- a P11 will double-strike without re-racking the slide (I'm not saying it's a good practice, but that's how the PF9 gets a lighter trigger)

ryanek9freak
03-04-2010, 21:15
You can send it back to kel tec and they will change the springs for you and will have about half the pressure. Only had to pay for the shipping for the work done. If you get a chance to try the pf-9 all the diffence in the world, same kick but the trigger is great for a doa.
I have a PF9, an although the recoil is brutal, it does the trick, and has respectable capacity (7+1) and the trigger is FAR better than the Taurus .45 I just bought as a CCW gun. That damn Kel Tec is so light I always forget i'm carrying it. I swear, sometimes it feels like a cell phone in my pocket.

I had a P-11 a few years back, when they had issues (which Kel-Tec has since corrected) and I think they're great guns..

68Charger
03-04-2010, 21:46
The other thing I like about the P11 is that you can find P40 conversion kits...

Kel-tec quit making P40s because of issues related to limp-wristing (on such a small platform), and that it's possible to put in a S&W 59 mag and get 15+1 rounds in something so small...

guess I'm a glutten for recoil, I want to try a P40... I don't have any .40 S&W guns yet.. [Coffee]